Vinland Saga
| Canute did nothing wrong |
xZabuzax said: Yeah, I vote for Askeladd too, I admit that he's the most interesting character in S1 but I also hated that evil mother fucker, actually, I hated most of the main characters there since they are just a bunch of baby-killing thugs and all of them deserved to die, this includes Thorfinn and Askeladd and this is one of the reasons I didn't like S1 that much, I couldn't bond or connect with the main characters, I actually wanted those fuckers to die. So yeah, Askeladd has my vote. Exactly my thoughts about Season 1. I can't root for anyone there, and all of them are one/twodimensional except Askeladd. Now I have Thorfinn and Snake (eh, and Einar, sorry Einar). |
| It's really hard to say if we compare them to modern standards. Action takes place in times, where life is cheap and might makes right, so Askelaad would be just morally gray, with a bit darker shade of gray. But I'll go with king Sweyn, who had purely evil intentions. |
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| So far in the anime it's definitely Floki It all started thanks to him lol |
Verthandi11 said: Askeladd is certainly not a morally correct person but it wasn't because of him "ruining" Thorfinn. If Askeladd really wanted to ruin Thorfinn's life he would tell him that Floki was behind his father's death, that way Thorfinn will always be vengeful and never achieve "true warrior" state even after Askeladd's death.Askeladd. He knew he was ruining a child's life yet he kept doing it. Some words on his deathbed don't change the fact that he was a terrible human being whom thorfinn was better off not obsessing over, poor child. |
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Verthandi11 said: Askeladd. He knew he was ruining a child's life yet he kept doing it. Some words on his deathbed don't change the fact that he was a terrible human being whom thorfinn was better off not obsessing over, poor child. Thorfinn could've just left. |
| Well, I don't see any of them as "evil", but truthfully I inherently don't believe in it or accept its legitimacy or validity as a concept to begin with. It's mythological and best reserved for that - for use in indigenous mythologies, Biblical texts, and as a literary term. Not as an appropriate descriptor for human actions or motivations anymore than it would be one for the behavior of lions or spiders. Therefore, I can only speak to which ones I find more objectionable on a personal subjective level, as in, most disagreeable and unsympathetic to me in their actions and motivations. So what are they, as I see them? (This is just a rough overview - I'm not going into all the specifics of details of their character and different plot events) - Askeladd and Canute are in search of the realization of a higher political and philosophical ideal to be achieved by any and all means necessary. - Ketil just seems motivated to secure for himself (and to maybe a lesser extent, his immediate family) the most comfortable, prosperous, and safe life possible. - Thorkell and Thorgil seem principally or even exclusively motivated by the revelry in battle and warfare itself; the glory, heroism, and excitement/thrill of distinguishing oneself as a warrior and killing and pillaging as a symbol of the strength of a great man and life's highest calling. Bjorn too to some extent, but less single-mindedly dedicated to and passionate about it, and more as a worthwhile job made more worthwhile out of a sense of personal loyalty to Askeladd. They just like killing for the sake of killing, and presumably also, raping for the sake of raping, stealing for the sake of stealing, kidnapping and slave/human trafficking for the sake of kidnapping and slave/human trafficking, and burning for the sake of burning (during pillages razing entire villages and towns). We just see less of the looting/raping/arson/kidnapping/etc. onscreen because it's not as story-relevant as showing the actual battles themselves against soldiers and other warriors. People like this existed not only widely among the Vikings, but probably in every single military of every polity, every gang or paramilitary organization or any other irregular force which has ever existed in history, including through to the present-day. - There's been a seeming reluctance to delve too deeply into Floki's motivations so far, but they just seem to be chiefly power. The attainment of power and its continued maintenance and accumulation just for its own sake and to be able to continue to look down on people with less power and of lower status, as many in the time period did and even many do in different forms today Out of all those, Askeladd, Canute, and Ketil are extremely understandable, relatable, and sympathetic to me. With all of them I can innately "get" their logic and see myself performing some or all of the same actions if put in the same or a similar situation. The mentalities of all the others is more foreign, alien, and removed from what I value or how I interact with the world. Thorkell and Thorgil especially are more like wild beasts to me. Bjorn a little more understandable and he also seems apathetic and just in search of an easy life a lot of the time; it's just, he's also physically large and capable, so probably figures, why not use/exploit it? Floki is just a thug. But not entirely bereft of a certain shrewdness. But I don't think that necessarily makes them "worse" people as I'm not a neutral judge or arbiter of that. |
WatchTillTandavaJun 7, 2023 8:26 AM
| Arnheid should be on that list for taking up too much screentime. The amount of time she wasted from all the vinland watchers amounts to 1000 human lifes. |
Verthandi11 said: Askeladd. He knew he was ruining a child's life yet he kept doing it. Some words on his deathbed don't change the fact that he was a terrible human being whom thorfinn was better off not obsessing over, poor child. I remember Askeladd sleeping carefree when smol Thorfinn had been out with a weapon to kill him. I know he was evil but atleast he knew what he did was wrong unlike blind Canute(maybe he'll too realise it in the future) |
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| Floki or Sweyn. But until we get more Floki screentime, its definitely Sweyn. |
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Verthandi11 said: true, but also he had values.Askeladd. He knew he was ruining a child's life yet he kept doing it. Some words on his deathbed don't change the fact that he was a terrible human being whom thorfinn was better off not obsessing over, poor child. in the grand scheme of things, any other pirate leader would have killed or sold thorfinn instantly. but in a messed up way he also kind of took care of him. and that's besides the point that he was selfless enough to die for the sake of others in the end. he is certainly not an angel, but he is far from pure evil. |
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| no one in vinland is truly evil.... except maybe floki, based on what we know about him so far, he is just an absolute dick. |
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| Ketil is the definition of a man who passes as a "good person" because normally he himself is incapable of doing what could be considered as evil, until he feels he has no choice or he has the perfect opportunity to do so. Then he will show how much of a spineless, egotistical, coward, and lowly person he truly is. What he did to that kid, what he did to Arnheid, all the people he got killed with no purpose whatsoever, that's the real display of his character, without the jovial patriarch mask Maybe Floki follows close but I don0t really know much about him in the anime. |
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LaFlame77 said: If that was his goal, then just kill the guy (in his sleep) and be done with it, instead of following him for 10 years. Oh yea totally like thorfinns gonna just give up on killing the man who killed his dad that easily I swear do you people even pay attention to the show cause clearly you wouldn’t be saying that if you paid any attention to the show. It's not Askeladds fault that Thorfinn is obsessed with killing him in a very specific way that ruins his own life. |
LaFlame77 said: L01MK said: If that was his goal, then just kill the guy (in his sleep) and be done with it, instead of following him for 10 years. It's not Askeladds fault that Thorfinn is obsessed with killing him in a very specific way that ruins his own life. Again you literally completely missed the point of the entirety of season 1 thorfinn wanted to fight askeladd fair and square and not be a little bitch and take the easy way out also askeladd is already way too intelligent in fighting to begin with to even let thorfinn get the jump on him like that. The point of season 1 in the beginning was for thorfinn to kill askeladd in a fair fight to have a more fulfilling revenge cause again do you really think someone’s gonna have a fulfilled revenge kill by taking the easy way out? Fuck no this is the Viking age we’re talking about you either fight with honor or fight like a scumbag. And I will admit askeladd did fight thors like a scumbag but If they were in a 1v1 it could go either way. The point is you’re missing the entire point of the plot and characters if you watched season 1 you’d understand that your logic makes no sense in the story and character aspect. I'm not stupid, I understood season 1 perfectly. I just can't comprehend how Thorfinns choices that ruined his life are somehow Askeladds fault |
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