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May 9, 2023 3:34 PM
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That's right, this great western civilization that our ancestors have been building up since the Roman empire, it reached perfection in the year 2007 and it's never going to get any better than that, it's all downhill from there. Here's why the 2000s was objectively a superior decade to the 2010s, and even the current decade we're living in now:

The 2000s was the peak of media. Pretty much all forms of entertainment peaked in the 2000s. The 7th generation of gaming was the last good generation before triple A games jumped off a cliff. DLC existed but it was supplementary, and we didn't have games that were sold to you incomplete only to then sell you the rest of the game as DLC. And maybe it's just me but I feel like the graphics haven't really jumped up that much since the 7th generation.

Pop music was OBJECTIVELY better in the 2000s. Pop genres back then included everything from hip hop, rnb, rock, metal, and even some electronic music. Pop back then was so much more diverse, there was a bit of something for everyone. For fans of rock and metal you had Linkin Park, My Chemical Romance, System Of A Down, for fans of hip hop you had Eminem, Kanye West, Outkast, for fans of electronic you had Daft Punk, Tiesto, Justice, etc. Even if those aren't your favorite artists or bands from those genres, the fact that they were all popular simultaneously and got played on the radio side by side is incredible when you consider pop music is entirely dominated by trap and rnb now. There's no diversity in pop music anymore.

Western TV and film I feel also peaked in the 2000s. I can't quite put my finger on it but almost every movie and TV show that comes out nowadays just doesn't hit the same. Nothing feels new or innovative anymore. And let's not forget the fucking god awful reboots that keep coming out that no one asked for. And wouldn't you know it, almost all of those reboots are from properties that came out between the late 90s and early 2000s, as if even the Hollywood media machine knows they'll never be able to surpass that era so they don't even bother trying. And the whole PC culture shit still wasn't in full swing in the 2000s so it was the last era when we were allowed to joke about certain things without starting a riot.

And lastly, the internet. Not only was the internet itself better in the 2000s, but the digital/real-life balance was perfect in the 2000s. I'm a zoomer so I don't remember the world before the internet, but I do remember the world before smartphones. Back then, you had the internet like we do today, but, if you wanted to use the internet, you had to do it in a computer in your house. As soon as you stepped outside of your house, you also left the internet behind, meaning you were allowed to just exist in the real world. Smartphones completely changed this, and now the internet is literally inescapable. I'm sure you all know the negative consequences of this. People are becoming stupider, having shorter attention spans, people are more depressed than ever, political extremism is on the rise, etc.

So yeah, western civilization peaked in the 2000s. Don't expect any other decade to surpass it, because it won't happen. 2007 was as good as it's going to get.

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May 9, 2023 3:56 PM
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If any Civilization peak criteria are Pop culture, TV, the internet, and gaming graphics...

...then this kind of Civilization by default failed states and will only cease to exist.
May 9, 2023 4:03 PM
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Nope media from time didn't age well. Also dlc since exist the 90s.

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If any Civilization peak criteria are Pop culture, TV, the internet, and gaming graphics...

...then this kind of Civilization by default failed states and will only cease to exist.


Amen.
May 9, 2023 4:36 PM
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Local forum poster believes media from their youth was the best. More news at 11. 
May 9, 2023 6:02 PM
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I think so, I think so too...
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May 9, 2023 6:23 PM
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Nah, 9/11 was the major shift to the world we have today. That was the beginning to the era of decay.



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May 9, 2023 6:32 PM
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Kodeb8 said:
That's right, this great western civilization that our ancestors have been building up since the Roman empire
Every single time that a native English speaker says something glorious about the Roman Empire, I think "wow, this individual still uses ideas from the American founding fathers of the late 18th century.... despite living in the 21st century".

If you believe in the late anthropologist called David Graeber's approach to society, the Western civilization, with bias from French and British aristocracy right after the French Revolution, is defined so randomly to the point that it's a meaningless concept. And let's not forget that the Anglo-Saxon common law has its roots from outside of its culture, but from Islamic North Africa.

The whole "North Atlantic world", which is a better definition, is not doing well these days. This is because the people generally surrounding the nothern a-- section of the Atlantic Ocean are suffering from decades of financial poverty and family connections.
May 9, 2023 6:51 PM
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Kodeb8 said:
That's right, this great western civilization that our ancestors have been building up since the Roman empire, 
Your ancestors were a bunch of grass eating barbarians that DESTORYED the Roman Empire.
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May 13, 2023 2:17 AM
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I disagree. Western civilization peaked before modernity, which is already over 100 years ago
May 13, 2023 2:41 AM

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Such as boomer post. "Everything was better in my youth"
May 13, 2023 2:43 AM

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Noboru said:
I disagree. Western civilization peaked before modernity, which is already over 100 years ago
Modernity started in October 12, 1492
May 13, 2023 3:25 AM

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The 90s were better, there was hope and people were more real.
May 13, 2023 4:49 AM

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Noboru said:
I disagree. Western civilization peaked before modernity, which is already over 100 years ago
Modernity started in October 12, 1492
I wasn't talking about potential catalysts like the Conquista, the Printing Revolution with the spread of Protestantism or the French Revolution, but much rather stuff like Modern Arts, Modern Architecture, Modern Medicine and Modern Music. Of those mentioned, I can only get warm to Modern Music, but I'm already bored of it. The rest is a scam.
May 13, 2023 5:18 AM
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I think some of us have varied fuzzy definition of modern and post-modnern (not in a philosophical sense), albeit post-modern can be anything.
May 13, 2023 6:41 AM
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I would kill an unbelievable amount of people to return to 2007 
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May 13, 2023 12:31 PM

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Pop culture in the 00s had so much garbage though lmao. MCR and Linkin Park were cool and all but there were so many bands in the same niche who were absolutely godawful. And cinemas were saturated with atrociously unfunny comedies that made Adam Sandler look like Mel Brooks.
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May 13, 2023 9:41 PM

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Back in the days there were Gilded 1920s, Great Gatsby is about these times. People too were all hype over these times. That was truly over the top cool era with never before seen shit, like skyscrapers. Crysler Building and Empire State Building are cool even by modern standards and they are richly decorated.

Then there was a Great Depression Era of the 1930s, People jumped out of windows unable to live on as Stock Market crashed and economy almost completely disappear into shit.

Then there was WW II, Holocoast. Axis killed millions in gas chambers and tried to conquer the world. Allies went to war and they ended up killing each other. Excluding China 80 Million died of it all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

Then things recovered and boomers enjoyed their 60s with Beatles and shit. 50s were also not too bad. 50s housewife is highly praised nowadays. (US verison)

Then was depression again in 70s with fiel crisis and other mess.

Then went Reagan of the 80s, he took Cold War into overdrive and won it Contras in Nicaragua, Panama Canal War, Caribbean islands coups. Also in 80s USSR invaded Afghanistan and lost lost of people there.

Spring of Nations and collapse of USSR begun a new are of peace and development. Computers and internet grew and gradually became mainstream. We got out 90s and 2000s. 90s is a mixed bag but everyone loves 2000s much like they loved it in 1920s and 2960s

Then Financial Crisis Similar to Great Depression happened in 2008 because of that 2010s were like 1930s and 1970s

That too gradually evolves into a first death by COVID who in out era plays the same role as Nazi death camps. Putin plays a role of Axis invaders.

This death era of 2020s is just like WW II in 40s and Reagan's Cold War escalation in 80s

After that in 2030s it will be something like 50s and 90s again.

Then 2040s will be like 2000s.



This is the era where COVID or other such even will pay the Grim Reaper his due and he will leave us to prosper for next 20 or so years before he will demand fresh sacrifices.

World really works just like Aztec religion. You need to make human sacrifices to delay end of the world. This time we manage to automate this process by inventing COVID.

May be sometime when people will be more enlightened to accept that death is inevitable and necessary because there is finite resources on earth and once the limit is reached either you need to cut spending or population.

I by one prefer to cut boomer population to keep my spending habits intact.



However in future we really need to limit birth rates.

It is much more humane when extra babies are simply not born rather than just kill them or someone else when next limit is reached.
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May 13, 2023 9:47 PM

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I would say the decline started pretty heavily after 2008 crash in the west.
May 14, 2023 1:54 AM

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I would say the decline started pretty heavily after 2008 crash in the west.

Yes that is correct.

Even since Financial Crisis of 2008 things going wrong and they need to be fixed.
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May 14, 2023 2:10 AM

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I miss the times where you could have a conversation with a person that wasn't looking at their phone 24/7. But the 00s also had their bad sides. Not sure how you came to the conclusion that music peaked in the 00s tho. It clearly peaked in the 60s-80s. And you should look up what objectively means, you are using it wrong.
May 14, 2023 1:34 PM

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I think the peak had already passed. Probably the 60's and 70's.

It is true that there was some cool shit in the 2000's. As opposed to none now lol (jk coz anime isn't dead).

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May 14, 2023 2:03 PM
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7th gen games were awful especially PS3. I had one since day 1 of its release.

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Nope media from time didn't age well. Also dlc since exist the 90s.


Console had dlc worst back then. It was 50 for same game I already own just to play a update. Phantasy Star online was dlc driven even in the year 2000.
May 14, 2023 2:10 PM

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crazy thread, but i just wanted to add that gen 6 games were 🔥🔥
May 14, 2023 2:59 PM

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Anime peaked further in the 2000's from the late 90's windfall and lasted until the mid 2010's, then isekai ruined everything save for idol and mainstream shounen anime, which didn't suffer this treatment and is going on stronger than ever (Magical Girl anime somehow survived as well but it may decline due to population decline, which explains why we're getting 2 Precure sequels for adults).


May 14, 2023 3:10 PM

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Are you sure this was peak society OP?

May 15, 2023 12:53 PM

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if that was the peak i welcome the decline
May 15, 2023 7:25 PM

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Coolspot said:
Are you sure this was peak society OP?



That was released in 2008, right when decline started.

Also how is that worse than new Starwars, or new Scooby Doo so many people here hate?

Finally it is not like there were no bad things in 2000s, it is just there were more good than bad.


Since 2007 there would be mixed quality stuff as eras change.


I challenge you to find something from mid 2010s that I can like, other than Nier Automata, Doom 2016, Europa Universalis IV
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The modern West in 2023 is currently experiencing something very similar to Japan's bubble burst from 1991 to today. (Thanks, Reagan, for murdering innocent Japanese people) Japan at that time tried its best to maintain its social structures and institutions until the mid 2000s, but the quality of education and labor environment waned down significantly afterwards.

The West is experiencing something similar what Japan is currently experiencing.

I'm planning to leave Canada soon because it has become a very scummy and trashy. Sort of like California these days.
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western civilization is finished... China and Russia are the future... Now becomimg a commie is the only way
 

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