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Apr 9, 2023 5:15 AM
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source https://twitter.com/Fajji_Hanji/status/1640706701086130177

just sharing since there is no thread about this yet afaik

its above the manabi line aka break even profit that is 3000 disc sales at least

and Gundam usually gets more of its profit from toys like Gunpla anyway
Apr 9, 2023 1:26 PM
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That's outdated and was only three days of sales. It's passed 7k already.
https://erzat.blog/japan-top-10-weekly-anime-blu-ray-and-dvd-sales-ranking-march-27-april-2-2023/
Apr 11, 2023 3:22 AM
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-Knox- said:
That's outdated and was only three days of sales. It's passed 7k already.
https://erzat.blog/japan-top-10-weekly-anime-blu-ray-and-dvd-sales-ranking-march-27-april-2-2023/


well it was obvious this news thread is about the first week of sales

anyway i know that website you link and also it shared this news too
Mobile Suit Gundam Continues to Dominate the Toys and Hobby Business Segment
https://erzat.blog/bandai-namcos-q3-fy2023-results-strongest-performances-for-dragon-ball-and-mobile-suit-gundam-since-fy2008/
Apr 16, 2023 5:09 PM
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deg said:
its above the manabi line aka break even profit that is 3000 disc sales at least
That was a metric about 10 years ago so it is less relevant today, especially if your show already has a ton of merchandise announced before airing. So the easier way to check is do a search on Ami Ami.

https://anime.stackexchange.com/questions/9238/is-the-manabi-line-a-correct-way-for-estimating-anime-profit-loss

Even KnY cannot hit 50K+ disc sales and today and 30K is pretty much the threshold.

As for WFM sales, relatively they are not as strong as seed and 00 that were in the past. Seed had the highest sales of the decade. Sunrise has very high standards and never made an AU into a long running series. Only Cosmic Era got considered.
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Apr 16, 2023 5:26 PM
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deg said:
source https://twitter.com/Fajji_Hanji/status/1640706701086130177

just sharing since there is no thread about this yet afaik
If you look at the list, Bungou Stray Dogs disc sales bombed yet they ae getting a 5th season. Spy Room Vol 1 also bombed but we they have announced a 2nd cour and it was one of the highest selling ln volumes for Kadokawa in January.

When it comes to Sunrise, it pretty much makes no difference how well an AU sells because they will force it to end at the 50 episode mark.
Apr 17, 2023 8:30 AM
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icefirestone23 said:
deg said:
its above the manabi line aka break even profit that is 3000 disc sales at least
That was a metric about 10 years ago so it is less relevant today, especially if your show already has a ton of merchandise announced before airing. So the easier way to check is do a search on Ami Ami.

https://anime.stackexchange.com/questions/9238/is-the-manabi-line-a-correct-way-for-estimating-anime-profit-loss

Even KnY cannot hit 50K+ disc sales and today and 30K is pretty much the threshold.

As for WFM sales, relatively they are not as strong as seed and 00 that were in the past. Seed had the highest sales of the decade. Sunrise has very high standards and never made an AU into a long running series. Only Cosmic Era got considered.


here is some reliable sources
an average 13-episode anime season costs around 250 million yen (or $2 million) https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2015-08-13/anime-insiders-share-how-much-producing-a-season-costs/.91536

ranked them with a "success percentage" based on how many series created by a studio in that time span averaged at 3,000 discs sold or more https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2015-05-27/anime-studios-success-calculated-based-on-10-years-of-disc-sales/.88558

BluRay discs cost around 90 dollars per 2-3 episodes each disc http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=296000

so lets say 150,000 per episode x 2 episodes each disc will equal to 300,000 dollars, then divide that by 90 dollars (the cost per BluRay disc) and you will get around 3500 total disc sales to break-even, so even anime that sold an average of 4000 and above disc sales per volume is considered profitable already

same calculation if we go for total cost of producing a 1 cour show, 2,000,000 dollars divided by 13 episodes results to around 150,000 dollars per episode then multiply that by 2 (total number of episodes per disc) then we get 300,000 dollars and then divide that by 90 dollars (the cost of each disc) and we get around 3400 total disc sales per volume to break-even
Apr 17, 2023 8:30 AM
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icefirestone23 said:
deg said:
source https://twitter.com/Fajji_Hanji/status/1640706701086130177

just sharing since there is no thread about this yet afaik
If you look at the list, Bungou Stray Dogs disc sales bombed yet they ae getting a 5th season. Spy Room Vol 1 also bombed but we they have announced a 2nd cour and it was one of the highest selling ln volumes for Kadokawa in January.

When it comes to Sunrise, it pretty much makes no difference how well an AU sells because they will force it to end at the 50 episode mark.


nah its been confirmed that Witch From Mercury is only 2 cour so not 50 episodes
Apr 17, 2023 1:27 PM
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deg said:
icefirestone23 said:
If you look at the list, Bungou Stray Dogs disc sales bombed yet they ae getting a 5th season. Spy Room Vol 1 also bombed but we they have announced a 2nd cour and it was one of the highest selling ln volumes for Kadokawa in January.

When it comes to Sunrise, it pretty much makes no difference how well an AU sells because they will force it to end at the 50 episode mark.


nah its been confirmed that Witch From Mercury is only 2 cour so not 50 episodes


U sure. Legit every gundam au is around the 50 episode mark. Even after war and turn a that flopped
Apr 17, 2023 1:29 PM
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icefirestone23 said:
deg said:


nah its been confirmed that Witch From Mercury is only 2 cour so not 50 episodes


U sure. Legit every gundam au is around the 50 episode mark. Even after war and turn a that flopped


yes im sure Witch From Mercury is plan to be 2 cours only

here sources
https://www.siliconera.com/gundam-the-witch-from-mercury-will-have-two-separate-cours/
https://gundam.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:FortressMaximus/Mobile_Suit_Gundam_-_the_Witch_from_Mercury_Will_Air_In_Two_Cours
degApr 17, 2023 1:36 PM
Apr 20, 2023 6:01 PM

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yeah I thought it be more. I am pretty sure studio 3 is doing this one and they don't use the high end cgi that studio 1 does, and are often capable of making longer series.
Apr 21, 2023 4:18 PM

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deg said:
icefirestone23 said:
That was a metric about 10 years ago so it is less relevant today, especially if your show already has a ton of merchandise announced before airing. So the easier way to check is do a search on Ami Ami.

https://anime.stackexchange.com/questions/9238/is-the-manabi-line-a-correct-way-for-estimating-anime-profit-loss

Even KnY cannot hit 50K+ disc sales and today and 30K is pretty much the threshold.

As for WFM sales, relatively they are not as strong as seed and 00 that were in the past. Seed had the highest sales of the decade. Sunrise has very high standards and never made an AU into a long running series. Only Cosmic Era got considered.


here is some reliable sources
an average 13-episode anime season costs around 250 million yen (or $2 million) https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2015-08-13/anime-insiders-share-how-much-producing-a-season-costs/.91536

ranked them with a "success percentage" based on how many series created by a studio in that time span averaged at 3,000 discs sold or more https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2015-05-27/anime-studios-success-calculated-based-on-10-years-of-disc-sales/.88558

BluRay discs cost around 90 dollars per 2-3 episodes each disc http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=296000

so lets say 150,000 per episode x 2 episodes each disc will equal to 300,000 dollars, then divide that by 90 dollars (the cost per BluRay disc) and you will get around 3500 total disc sales to break-even, so even anime that sold an average of 4000 and above disc sales per volume is considered profitable already

same calculation if we go for total cost of producing a 1 cour show, 2,000,000 dollars divided by 13 episodes results to around 150,000 dollars per episode then multiply that by 2 (total number of episodes per disc) then we get 300,000 dollars and then divide that by 90 dollars (the cost of each disc) and we get around 3400 total disc sales per volume to break-even
That stuff drastically changed with the increase of streaming marketshare and dominance. That article is from 2015, it's quite outdated to how anime committees have been working lately. BD sales are barely relevant nowadays when it comes to covering production costs, and have been more of a collectors item as of late ever since 2017-2018 or so.  You can find some talk on the matter on ANN as well, there have been even some good old Answerman trivia in regards to this. 

These could have disastrous sales and still get multiple seasons anyway, they have long stopped being reliable metrics for success, BD/DVD sales.
Apr 22, 2023 12:31 AM

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Danpmss said:
deg said:


here is some reliable sources
an average 13-episode anime season costs around 250 million yen (or $2 million) https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2015-08-13/anime-insiders-share-how-much-producing-a-season-costs/.91536

ranked them with a "success percentage" based on how many series created by a studio in that time span averaged at 3,000 discs sold or more https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2015-05-27/anime-studios-success-calculated-based-on-10-years-of-disc-sales/.88558

BluRay discs cost around 90 dollars per 2-3 episodes each disc http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=296000

so lets say 150,000 per episode x 2 episodes each disc will equal to 300,000 dollars, then divide that by 90 dollars (the cost per BluRay disc) and you will get around 3500 total disc sales to break-even, so even anime that sold an average of 4000 and above disc sales per volume is considered profitable already

same calculation if we go for total cost of producing a 1 cour show, 2,000,000 dollars divided by 13 episodes results to around 150,000 dollars per episode then multiply that by 2 (total number of episodes per disc) then we get 300,000 dollars and then divide that by 90 dollars (the cost of each disc) and we get around 3400 total disc sales per volume to break-even
That stuff drastically changed with the increase of streaming marketshare and dominance. That article is from 2015, it's quite outdated to how anime committees have been working lately. BD sales are barely relevant nowadays when it comes to covering production costs, and have been more of a collectors item as of late ever since 2017-2018 or so.  You can find some talk on the matter on ANN as well, there have been even some good old Answerman trivia in regards to this. 

These could have disastrous sales and still get multiple seasons anyway, they have long stopped being reliable metrics for success, BD/DVD sales.


Danpmss said:
deg said:


here is some reliable sources
an average 13-episode anime season costs around 250 million yen (or $2 million) https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2015-08-13/anime-insiders-share-how-much-producing-a-season-costs/.91536

ranked them with a "success percentage" based on how many series created by a studio in that time span averaged at 3,000 discs sold or more https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2015-05-27/anime-studios-success-calculated-based-on-10-years-of-disc-sales/.88558

BluRay discs cost around 90 dollars per 2-3 episodes each disc http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=296000

so lets say 150,000 per episode x 2 episodes each disc will equal to 300,000 dollars, then divide that by 90 dollars (the cost per BluRay disc) and you will get around 3500 total disc sales to break-even, so even anime that sold an average of 4000 and above disc sales per volume is considered profitable already

same calculation if we go for total cost of producing a 1 cour show, 2,000,000 dollars divided by 13 episodes results to around 150,000 dollars per episode then multiply that by 2 (total number of episodes per disc) then we get 300,000 dollars and then divide that by 90 dollars (the cost of each disc) and we get around 3400 total disc sales per volume to break-even
That stuff drastically changed with the increase of streaming marketshare and dominance. That article is from 2015, it's quite outdated to how anime committees have been working lately. BD sales are barely relevant nowadays when it comes to covering production costs, and have been more of a collectors item as of late ever since 2017-2018 or so.  You can find some talk on the matter on ANN as well, there have been even some good old Answerman trivia in regards to this. 

These could have disastrous sales and still get multiple seasons anyway, they have long stopped being reliable metrics for success, BD/DVD sales.


i know that AJA reports now a days that legal streaming profit makes up half the profit too but im just answering the question about the manabi line
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deg said:
icefirestone23 said:


U sure. Legit every gundam au is around the 50 episode mark. Even after war and turn a that flopped


yes im sure Witch From Mercury is plan to be 2 cours only

here sources
https://www.siliconera.com/gundam-the-witch-from-mercury-will-have-two-separate-cours/
https://gundam.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:FortressMaximus/Mobile_Suit_Gundam_-_the_Witch_from_Mercury_Will_Air_In_Two_Cours
would suck if this show really only gets 2 cours after 90% of the first was just the setup
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It is for Madoka alone." - Homura
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Apr 24, 2023 9:53 PM

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I don't really get it, but how did such a big IP like gundam get only 5000 user votes toward the rating for season 2? Is it some kind bug because season 2 of smartphone isekai has more people giving scores. 
Apr 25, 2023 7:38 AM

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FlamingMangos said:
I don't really get it, but how did such a big IP like gundam get only 5000 user votes toward the rating for season 2? Is it some kind bug because season 2 of smartphone isekai has more people giving scores. 
Oh, about that, expectations (or lack thereof, in this case) are rather well established for almost everyone watching the Smartphone Isekai, thus people vote it far earlier as more of the same, usually the same rating they gave season 1.

This show is just starting to show its true colors after an entire first season of build-up, and everyone is waiting to see it pay off or not by the end of it all, so not many score it too early, unless they are really into it or Gundam already, or the very opposite (in that case they will just score without thinking much at all).
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FlamingMangos said:
I don't really get it, but how did such a big IP like gundam get only 5000 user votes toward the rating for season 2? Is it some kind bug because season 2 of smartphone isekai has more people giving scores. 
Nobody cares about Gundam in the west and the few older fans from the west don't care about new things
so 2+2 = nobody votes for TWFM on MAL even if Aerial kits and merch in general are sold out/scalped everywhere

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