Vinland Saga
| Just to be clear, I enjoyed the rest and I'm sure it's only getting better from here on out. But the first minutes of this episode? Einar and his sister are some of the dumbest characters I've witnessed in anime. The mother told her daughter to run and not look back once she reached the forest. What does the daughter do? Stop running. Running back. And what do both the sister and Einar do then? Sit down next to the dying mother. Now, I understand wanting to be with your mom, finding a way to save her. But they KNEW that murderous villains were approaching them. And yet they kept sitting there. And sitting. And sitting. And sitting. Until someone grabbed the sister to rape her. And even after the sister died, Einar was so lousy he just didn't do anything. This kind of ruined the episode for me, because why should I feel bad for someone who WANTED to be killed? Neither the sister nor Einar tried to survive, tried to run away. It really made me angry. Reminded me of some Gantz-scenes, lol (fucking shoot, Kei, ffs). Just sitting there, waiting for bad things to happen. Was I the only one to dislike that situation or did some of you think the same? I at least wanted Einar to shout at his sister "run!" and then he could have tried carrying his mom, even if it would be futile. Just do something, dude. Ugh. EDIT: If I had written the scene, I'd maybe have it play out like this: - village is attacked - Mother tells daughter to run to the forest and then keep running, never turn around -daughter is reluctant for a moment, but then realizes how anything else would just burden the others - daughter runs into forest, we don't see her anymore - mother and Einar are running - someone enemy shouts "hey, there's someone!" - Einar thinks "shit!" - several arrows come flying, then one hits the mother - mother goes down, Einar is shocked, but instantly tries to pick her up and carry along with him - it doesn't work, he's too slow and they can see the enemies approaching - NOW Einar is in shock and frozen, he doesn't know what to do, he doesn't want to give up his dear mother, but he's also no fighter. - his mother now pulls him back to reality: "Einar, LIVE!" and since that isn't enough she adds "go find your sister! She needs you!" - one last glimpse at his dying mother, some tears, then he turns around and begins to run towards the forest ... - ... when ANOTHER enemy appears from within the forest, carrying the struggling sister on his back. "Look what came running at me, guys, muahaha!" he shouts while the other enemies reach the site - some rape-talk, the sister puts up her fight, dies - Einar, since the new guy appeared with his sister, was in total shock now. - Caught between thoughts of avenging his mother and sister, but also his mother's words "live!", he tries to attack one of the enemies, but one quick and hard counter punch sends him flying. - "That one looks like he can take some. He'll sell a pretty penny, haha!" and followed by "you, never again try this or your life is over, too" - Einar loses all will to fight, focuses solely on "Live!", and that's when we reach the slave market scene That would have been nice. |
MyllerPhiemJan 14, 2023 4:07 PM
| If you haven't watched "Fantastic Children", don't talk about "best anime". Thank you. |
| Not the only one, brother. Others have been lapping up this shit and I don't get it. Felt the direction of the scene and all scenes were terrible in this episode. The sudden transition from peaceful to the raid was sloppy, the dialogue between Einar and his family was corny, and the chase scene was lame. No fight, no struggle. Way too anime and lacks the realism that Vinland had going for it. I was really looking forward to S2 but this first episode ruined it for me, which is a shame because, until the opening narration, I was hyped to high heaven. |
not_samael said: Wtf?! "Blind hate" because I gave season one a 6/10? This the first time i saw someone complaining about a show being realistic. I mean after seeing your loved one's dying infront of you, you can't come up with anything but just freeze right there. It's not easy as it seems sherlock, just drop the show btw you gave s1 a 6 it ain't for you don't just blind hate it. Man, having proper discussion on MAL really is impossible, is it ... |
| If you haven't watched "Fantastic Children", don't talk about "best anime". Thank you. |
| Talking about Gantz, I too can't comprehend why Gantz character are some of the worst decision-makers in fiction, saving from most horror films. |
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| They were extremely traumatized in the situation. They were running initially but seeing your Mom die in front of you would traumatize you. That's why they didn't run. Different people react to trauma differently. Also this ain't a shonen. Their is nothing Einar could have done in that situation. He couldn't fight against 3 armed dudes. I think that scene was done extremely well. |
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| Well, this was expected. By the end of the season, a lot of people will drop the anime, but if you really like Vinland Saga you'll understand why this arc is so important for Thorfinn's development as a character. |
| MAL users comprehending trauma challenge (impossible) |
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St_Dantry said: Not the only one, brother. Others have been lapping up this shit and I don't get it. Felt the direction of the scene and all scenes were terrible in this episode. The sudden transition from peaceful to the raid was sloppy, the dialogue between Einar and his family was corny, and the chase scene was lame. No fight, no struggle. Way too anime and lacks the realism that Vinland had going for it. I was really looking forward to S2 but this first episode ruined it for me, which is a shame because, until the opening narration, I was hyped to high heaven. The transition was to show how a peaceful life could come crashing down in seconds by a viking raid party, I wouldn’t say it was sloppy. I don’t agree about the dialogue but to each their own. My question to you is tho, what exactly did you expect them to do to make it realistic in your eyes, because their reactions seemed pretty realistic to me. |
| It's called trauma and the show did a realistic depiction of it. MusashiKarlsefni said: St_Dantry said: Not the only one, brother. Others have been lapping up this shit and I don't get it. Felt the direction of the scene and all scenes were terrible in this episode. The sudden transition from peaceful to the raid was sloppy, the dialogue between Einar and his family was corny, and the chase scene was lame. No fight, no struggle. Way too anime and lacks the realism that Vinland had going for it. I was really looking forward to S2 but this first episode ruined it for me, which is a shame because, until the opening narration, I was hyped to high heaven. The transition was to show how a peaceful life could come crashing down in seconds by a viking raid party, I wouldn’t say it was sloppy. I don’t agree about the dialogue but to each their own. My question to you is tho, what exactly did you expect them to do to make it realistic in your eyes, because their reactions seemed pretty realistic to me. I feel it has reached a point where people are creating insane expectations that are impossible to reach and when they aren't met in a single episode, they start making up nitpicks (some of them being easily applicable to their favorite shows) to criticize said show to make up for their unmet expectations. The same has happened with Chainsaw Man's episode 1. Aside from the CGI complaints, a lot of people were making some complaints that made no sense. Mod edit: Post merged |
-DxP-Jan 15, 2023 2:23 AM
| "No one hates anime more than the anime community, which is composed of some of the most spoiled, immature, pessimist and ungrateful people on Earth." -Anonymous anime watcher |
| ah yes, you would perfectly be calm and assess the situation while your mother is dying from getting shot by an arrow. literally same vibes as people who shit talk Subaru from Re Zero, when they would give up on trying after the third or so reset lol |
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| Anime fans when something is realistic |
| Expecting 100% realism from an anime is retarded, but this isn’t even unrealistic. Plenty of people don’t make the smartest decisions in traumatic situations like those. It’s pretty normal. This is just nitpicking. |
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| My man here complaining bout human nature... |
| No tomo malas decisiones, solo me gusta apoyar causas perdidas. Disfruté Mayoiga, Ou-sama Game, Evil or Live, Mirai Nikki, Big Order, Arifureta, Ex-Arm, Tesla Note, Shuumatsu no Harem y Platinum End nope les falle con esa, lo siento pero todos tenemos nuestros límites. Así de jodido es mi gusto en anime, ¡Y estoy pinche orgulloso de ello!  |
| the nitpicks & hate towards Mappa getting out of hand. i used to hate them as well but after seeing these kind of stupidity to the point it became really annoying, now i can't help but start rooting for Mappa even more lol. |
King_KK said: The daughter stopped running long before the mother got hit by an arrow. She just stopped once she reached the edge of the forest. Had she ran further, she wouldn't even have witnessed her mother getting shot and would have run to freedom. And Einar just doing NOTHING is too unbelievable. After season 1, he must be the most sensitive person in the world to be so shocked to become actionless. I didn't find that scene plausible at all.They were extremely traumatized in the situation. They were running initially but seeing your Mom die in front of you would traumatize you. That's why they didn't run. Different people react to trauma differently. Also this ain't a shonen. Their is nothing Einar could have done in that situation. He couldn't fight against 3 armed dudes. I think that scene was done extremely well. |
| If you haven't watched "Fantastic Children", don't talk about "best anime". Thank you. |
MyllerPhiem said: Elucid said: MAL users trying to read and comprehend challenge (impossible)MAL users comprehending trauma challenge (impossible) u rated Berserk 2016 & Blame movie 8 while u gave Vinland S1 only 6. guess your opinions are invalid |
OvergrownRover said: Worst take I’ve ever seen I have seen worse, but this is certainly up there. |
MyllerPhiem said: Reporting you to moderation. Also a 6/10 means I liked an anime. Sorry that you're handing out high scores too easily. I'm using the full range. I gave many anime I liked a 6/10. Is that so? In your opinion, Vinland saga is worse than My Little Sister Can't Be This Cute? Which you gave a 7. Considering the rest of the crap you gave a 7/10 score, it's clear you that gives high scores too easily and made this thread with bad intentions |
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| >I like this show >Makes a thread complaining about a non-issue after the very first episode of season 2 Yeah, I'm sure bud lol. |
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| I think there's a point to be made here let's not berate the guy. First off I loved the episode but I would also agree that the first act was weak. Not because it was objectively good or bad but for me personally it felt like something we've seen before, therefore, again for me personally, it didn't do much for me. Regardless the end of the episode left me with goosebumps. End of the day nothing to get up in arms about either way. Hate how people's first instinct is always to just bash what others think or say. |
MyllerPhiem said: Just to be clear, I enjoyed the rest and I'm sure it's only getting better from here on out. But the first minutes of this episode? Einar and his sister are some of the dumbest characters I've witnessed in anime. The mother told her daughter to run and not look back once she reached the forest. What does the daughter do? Stop running. Running back. And what do both the sister and Einar do then? Sit down next to the dying mother. Now, I understand wanting to be with your mom, finding a way to save her. But they KNEW that murderous villains were approaching them. And yet they kept sitting there. And sitting. And sitting. And sitting. Until someone grabbed the sister to rape her. And even after the sister died, Einar was so lousy he just didn't do anything. This kind of ruined the episode for me, because why should I feel bad for someone who WANTED to be killed? Neither the sister nor Einar tried to survive, tried to run away. It really made me angry. Reminded me of some Gantz-scenes, lol (fucking shoot, Kei, ffs). Just sitting there, waiting for bad things to happen. Was I the only one to dislike that situation or did some of you think the same? I at least wanted Einar to shout at his sister "run!" and then he could have tried carrying his mom, even if it would be futile. Just do something, dude. Ugh. Einar is 20 years old and only 75kg, they're both pretty much still children. He and his sister would stand zero chance against those three and as the rest of the episode went on to show, they stand zero chance of surviving without their mother. He comes to the realization that being a slave is preferable to being a beggar. |
| if you think this was bad just wait for the next episodes, this arc is a parody and shouldn't be taken seriously |
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| And you won the most stupid complaint of the day. Plus go voice your dumb pov to the author of the manga. But let me tell you that he won't give a shit about your opinion mainly cause it lacks any logic or a bit of understanding of how human nature work. So try and get a little educated dear if you're hoping to be taken seriously. |
| I am sleepy |
qfd said: Because the story of Berserk is miles better than Vinland's, even if animation is worse. Let me guess, you're shitting on Switch and only play on PS5, huh. Shallow jerk.u rated Berserk 2016 & Blame movie 8 while u gave Vinland S1 only 6. guess your opinions are invalid |
| If you haven't watched "Fantastic Children", don't talk about "best anime". Thank you. |
Bilal1024 said: I expected the opposite: A realistic depiction where the daughter keeps running because she knows how powerless she is. And a brother who despairs and, after remembering his mother's last words, "Live!", forsakes the last of his pride and starts running, too, whether he successfully got to flee or not. MyllerPhiem said: Just to be clear, I enjoyed the rest and I'm sure it's only getting better from here on out. But the first minutes of this episode? Einar and his sister are some of the dumbest characters I've witnessed in anime. The mother told her daughter to run and not look back once she reached the forest. What does the daughter do? Stop running. Running back. And what do both the sister and Einar do then? Sit down next to the dying mother. Now, I understand wanting to be with your mom, finding a way to save her. But they KNEW that murderous villains were approaching them. And yet they kept sitting there. And sitting. And sitting. And sitting. Until someone grabbed the sister to rape her. And even after the sister died, Einar was so lousy he just didn't do anything. This kind of ruined the episode for me, because why should I feel bad for someone who WANTED to be killed? Neither the sister nor Einar tried to survive, tried to run away. It really made me angry. Reminded me of some Gantz-scenes, lol (fucking shoot, Kei, ffs). Just sitting there, waiting for bad things to happen. Was I the only one to dislike that situation or did some of you think the same? I at least wanted Einar to shout at his sister "run!" and then he could have tried carrying his mom, even if it would be futile. Just do something, dude. Ugh. Sounds like you expected some shounen crap where einar screams and turns into a titan and vows to kill all the bandits or traffickers The reaction we got is just braindead and made it hard to feel sorry for Einar. |
| If you haven't watched "Fantastic Children", don't talk about "best anime". Thank you. |
| Wow, the replies make me lose faith. I'm in between, while I am certainly tired of the 'person takes too much time with moments to spare' trope, I'd say it's more of a directing issue here. I get that he's frozen in shock, but every shot is so static and drawn out, it reads more like a school play, trying to be overly dramatic, without much to support it with. It's why putting the backstory in the beginning, instead of either hinting on it or showing it later, is generally a bad idea. You're asking me to give a shit not only about a character I don't know, but also his dead mom. And after a pretty silly introduction too, overstating how nice everything is now, and boy we sure hope it's gonna be all lovely forever. It's even worse because the rest of the episode works perfectly well if you just cut it all off, and at least *something* is left to the imagination. |
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Specimen021 said: Exactly this! The rest of the episode was fine. Had the silly reaction in the beginning not been, I wouldn't have had any complaints. Sometimes Japanese directors just give the impression of being too far attached from reality :/It's even worse because the rest of the episode works perfectly well if you just cut it all off, and at least *something* is left to the imagination. |
| If you haven't watched "Fantastic Children", don't talk about "best anime". Thank you. |
Gomi_C_ said: MyllerPhiem said: No, it didn't, hence my thread. You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Tell me, what do you think trauma is? And I hope you read my comment from earlier. Clearly you don't know shit. I'm a psychiatrist working with trauma victims everyday, this is literally my job. The scene was bad. |
| If you haven't watched "Fantastic Children", don't talk about "best anime". Thank you. |
slenderblak said: monogatari fans complaining about static shots Basic bitches, comparing heavily stylized statics for long, purposefully complicated conversations, to the usual, filtered asset, MAPPA D Team trite, during what's supposed to be a dynamic scene. |
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| Not to be rude but this is the most retarded bullshit i have read all day, you literally pointed out the best things about the ep as being the bad ones. I am pretty sure this was a highly realistic scenario, it has nothing to do with stupid characters. |
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| Not everyone react the same way in that kind of situation. Some people can't process what just happened, especially when it's a loved one, and they're in shock. But yes it felt like a punch in the gut watching the poor mom die telling her kids to just run for it and... they just stood there. And the enemies were still pretty far away and walking not even running so they had a chance of escaping. ;_; The scene is supposed to make you feel sad and angry anyway so it did work in the end, but maybe not in the way it was intended. lol |
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