| Hi there noticed in few places that for people who are not "studying Kubology" no matter if manga/anime consumers [mainly anime-only] are confused on few stuff so gonna explain it while pointing where it was before said in the First season of Bleach -> if something is new than gonna correct as heard some people make mistakes. So first thing is about Bankai destroyal. You might ask than what about Byakuya as his blade shattered in 7th episode and it was meant that he is dead -> He had Bankai stolen so no access to it and he was in verge of death so he no longer was wielding a Shikai form he was wielding Asauchi form. When a Shinigami is going from Bankai/Shikai into Asauchi during battle non intentionally it means that he is close to death but it doesn't mean he has crossed the death-life line -> It is said in Soul Society arc when Renji was fighting Byakuya, So let's continue with Bankai destroyal -> Yes it is true in canon manga/anime Ichigo didn't have his bankai broken yet, it is the same rule as when he was learning Final Getsuga Tenshou when he wasn't in his inner would during Bankai state. It is a new information but it was expanded with examples to widen it and it got cut in anime. So Mayuri tells here that he knows only one example of a Bankai which can get restored which is Komamura's Bankai cause of his connection to it, so when Kokujo Tengen Myo is taking damage, Komamura also receives it so he just needs to heal himself. Also Mayuri says that he was somehow able to patch up the destroyed Bankai of Ikakku but it is barely a fraction of it's true power [Ichigo shock moment as he hasn't knew that Ikakku has Bankai -> Which is why in Canon Ikakku has never used his Bankai again -> Got destroyed with his fight with Eduardo/Volcanica Arrancar], The last example was Renji of his blades destroyed during his fight with Byakuya and Mayuri says to Ichigo "Have you counted the blades of Hihio Zabimaru?" -> Yes the blades which got destroyed are still destroyed/not used till right now. Squad 0 Existence and why Purple girl Kirio knows Shinji -> During the Turn Back the Pendulum arc which is about Visored past and Urahara one we've got information that Squad 12th captain is promoted to Squad 0 [the only time it was mentioned] alongside with their purpose and also with full name of that Captain which is Kirio Hifikune -> It also was a reason why Hiyori didn't like Urahara as a new captain. Why Tsukishima, Ginjo and Giriko are alive in Soul Society -> They were humans and they were killed. When a human is killed they turn into Plus Soul. Not only this they were killed by Zanpakutou which means that they were automatically cleansed and sent into Rukon Districts in Soul Society, all that information was in Substitute Shinigami arc in the first arc of Bleach. Which leads into them going into Rukon district and being taken as a guests/new members of Shiba house by Kuukaku and Ganju as it was said in the anime. Edit: Ah btw additional thing on Ginjo. When he was killed his body was held in Soul Society which most likely was denying his soul to being accepted in Soul Society -> It could block his mind/soul in stalmate of not being able to leave the dead body or something similar to that. So when Ichigo asked Yamamoto a favor in the very end of Fullbring arc to let him take Ginjou body to World of Living to make him a proper burial it also allowed his soul to be located in Rukon District -> Ichigo himself decided to let Ginjo "reincarnate" or rather should say, to go into his own afterlife instead of being imprisoned in dead body, probably they would keep that body "alive" [to not let it perish/dissolve] and stick it into Muken like Aizen ended. Yamamoto before granting his favor asked specifically Ichigo if he is sure about it, if he considered all the "ramifications" of the consequences of that action. Uncle-> It was a spoiler before the 8th episode now with the visual context [it manga it was only said and it was logical but some people got confused still before that episode]. Yes Isshin is uncle of Kuukaku, Ganju and Kaien. -> I am correcting it as noticed that some poeple thought that Kaien is Ichigo's Uncle. No he isn't. He is his cousin as he was a brother to Ganju and Kuukaku. Which is also why Kaien and Ichigo are so similar, it never was a coincidence, it was intentional . Then why Isshin last name is Kurosaki not Shiba? -> I guess it is obvious but the expanded version answer on why, what and how it happened is gonna to be around in 10th-12th episodes in this cour. Why Grimmjow is still alive? Take a better look into their finale of fights, Grimmjow went from Ressureccion into his base form and charged to Ichigo by being suddenly attacked by Nnoitra. Espada 5 wanted to finish him off but Ichigo has protected him, Grimmjow has not died, he was heavly wounded. Some people think that Senjumaru [the lady with 6 arms] was before Mayuri/Urahara as the lab/development research -> No she wasn't. The Research development was created by Urahara in the Turn Back to Pendulum arc so he was the first and then after him is Mayuri till today. It is hard to say when exactly Senjumaru was as Shinigami in Soul Society, some theories are that she was in some sorts part of Gotei 13, some say she was before it was founded etc. Yes it was never explained on when and how exactly Senjumaru existed in Soul Society before being promoted to Squad 0 [some information will be revealed in next episodes maybe with some additional info] and why does she know Mayuri. I think this is all the confusion around these stuff so I think it is all what might confuse yall if you have missed/forgot these mentiones/explanations in the past. |
ZettaikenNov 29, 2022 10:19 AM
| tldr: plot armour |
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| Honestly, people shouldn't question the stuff with the Fullbringers and Grimmjow. It's as straightforward as it is. |
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| Embrace the plot armor my friend. |
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| nice explanation... tho I knew most of them but I didn't knew why tsukishima and ginjo was alive... |
 "๐๐ฅ๐๐๐ซ ๐๐ฅ๐ฎ๐ ๐ฐ๐๐ญ๐๐ซ๐๐ข๐ ๐ก ๐ญ๐ข๐๐ ๐๐๐ฆ๐ ๐๐ง๐ ๐๐ซ๐จ๐ฎ๐ ๐ก๐ญ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐ข๐ง ๐๐ง๐ ๐ ๐๐จ๐ฎ๐ฅ๐ ๐ ๐จ ๐จ๐ง ๐๐ง๐ ๐จ๐ง, ๐จ๐ง ๐๐ง๐ ๐จ๐ง ๐๐ง๐ ๐ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐๐ค๐ข๐๐ฌ ๐ ๐ซ๐๐ฐ ๐๐๐ซ๐ค๐๐ซ ๐๐ฎ๐ซ๐ซ๐๐ง๐ญ๐ฌ ๐ฌ๐ฐ๐๐ฉ๐ญ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐จ๐ฎ๐ญ ๐๐ ๐๐ข๐ง ๐๐ง๐ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐ฐ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ฃ๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ญ ๐ ๐จ๐ง๐ ๐๐ง๐ ๐ ๐จ๐ง๐, ๐ ๐จ๐ง๐ ๐๐ง๐ ๐ ๐จ๐ง๐" |
| no way goofy mfs saying plot armor ๐ |
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| I'm sorry. I don't participate in deflection tactics. We are in a Bleach forum thread, don't conveniently change the topic. |
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Ary125tues said: Still trying to find why One piece is in this discussion LMAO. I'm not in denial that One piece has plot armor that's why I'm telling Bleach twerkers to embrace the plot armor in their favorite series instead of writing a whole thesis as to why x character survived when they should've been fucked with no vaseline. Tabibitosan_ said: Embrace the plot armor my friend. bro said this...while having one piece pfp....luffy drops down 10 times and still come back....just by having flash back...๐ฟ..not hating on op...but๐ You don't hate One piece and yet you gave it a 1. Something doesn't add up... |
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| Bleach fans gotta be the most defensive fanbase out there. I'll just make one passing comment and then I get hounded for being a One piece fan LMAO. It's not a crime to enjoy both One piece and Bleach ffs. I don't even think the new Bleach is half bad. You still had to wait 10 years for a good adaptation tho. |
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I would say that Senjumaru is 3rd oldest -> Oetsu would be the 2nd. Btw someone found this comment and took a screenshot in one of discords I am in so thi image is explaining on the meaning behind the names of Hogyouku, Karakura town and the villain Aizen himself.  |
ZettaikenNov 29, 2022 10:14 AM
| Byakuya should've stayed dead, also the plot point about taking Rukia and Renji with Byakuya to heal and train with the 0 Squad makes no sense, they aren't special, they're just going bc they're chummy with the main character, might as well take Kira too, dude has a hole on his torso, what about taking Hitsugaya there to heal and train as well, he's only behind Kenpachi and Ichigo for potential, i'm sure he would've gotten a pretty big boost even without his bankai, they could also take Ikkaku to reforge his bankai, take Ukitake to make sure he can fight properly, take Hisagi to learn Bankai , they should just take every vice captain they can, to learn bankai, could you imagine if several vice-captains got bankai and became "Captain level"? It would be pretty helpful right, could you imagine if Hinamori, Rangiku, Iba and Omaeda stopped being useless and could now how their own against a sternritter(even if not for long)?? could you imagine how strong Yumichika's bankai would be??? Maybe if the Visards got this training they would able to get the hollowfication boost without calling their masks and would be able to do something, anything. Also i don't get why the Kido Corps doesn't show up. There are so many problems with this arc. |
SteelingMaxNov 30, 2022 10:24 AM
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SteelingMax said: Byakuya should've stayed dead, also the plot point about taking Rukia and Renji with Byakuya to heal and train with the 0 Squad makes no sense, they aren't special, they're just going bc they're chummy with the main character, might as well take Kira too, dude has a hole on his torso, what about taking Hitsugaya there to train as well, he has huge potential, i'm sure he would've gotten a pretty big boost even without his bankai, they could also take Ikkaku to reforge his bankai, take Ukitake to make sure he can fight properly, take Hisagi to learn Bankai spoiler i know about the novel /spoiler, they should just take every vice captain they can, to learn bankai, could you imagine if several vice-captains got bankai and became "Captain level"? It would be pretty helpful right, could you imagine if Hinamori, Rangiku, Iba and Omaeda stopped being useless and could now how their own against a sternritter(even if not for long)?? could you imagine how strong Yumichika's bankai would be??? Maybe if the Visards got this training they would able to get the hollowfication boost without calling their masks and would be able to do something, anything. Also i don't get why the Kido Corps doesn't show up. spoiler Rukia goes from average strenght vice-captain to mid-tier captain just bc of the training and learning her bankai, while Renji becomes ridiculously overpowered. spoiler/ There are so many problems with this arc. They didn't go to the royal realm to train, nowhere they said that. Training is what they're getting there as an extra. Nobody is normally allowed to the royal realm, and the zero division are the only ones with access via the King's Key |
k11chi said: Kirinji says that by just being healed by his Onsen, they'll be 2 times how they were at full strenght.SteelingMax said: Byakuya should've stayed dead, also the plot point about taking Rukia and Renji with Byakuya to heal and train with the 0 Squad makes no sense, they aren't special, they're just going bc they're chummy with the main character, might as well take Kira too, dude has a hole on his torso, what about taking Hitsugaya there to train as well, he has huge potential, i'm sure he would've gotten a pretty big boost even without his bankai, they could also take Ikkaku to reforge his bankai, take Ukitake to make sure he can fight properly, take Hisagi to learn Bankai , they should just take every vice captain they can, to learn bankai, could you imagine if several vice-captains got bankai and became "Captain level"? It would be pretty helpful right, could you imagine if Hinamori, Rangiku, Iba and Omaeda stopped being useless and could now how their own against a sternritter(even if not for long)?? could you imagine how strong Yumichika's bankai would be??? Maybe if the Visards got this training they would able to get the hollowfication boost without calling their masks and would be able to do something, anything. Also i don't get why the Kido Corps doesn't show up. There are so many problems with this arc. They didn't go to the royal realm to train, nowhere they said that. Training is what they're getting there as an extra. Nobody is normally allowed to the royal realm, and the zero division are the only ones with access via the King's Key Also Rukia and Renji didn't need any special treatment, Byakuya was the only one about to die, aside of Kira(but who gives a f0000 about him right? right?) it's bad writing, this is coming from someone that loves Bleach. |
SteelingMaxNov 30, 2022 10:22 AM
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| @SteelingMax R77Prodigy said: my question would be why isnt inoue healing everyone? Because she is still in Hueco Mundo? It isn't easy to open up a closed Garganta again -> Closed by Quilge Opie. She was wounded and had to heal herself. She doesn't have any Shuunpo to move here. Like those fights are not 10 hours long so everyone can just arrive here, the invasion was over at the same time when she healed herself she can't warp there and she can't ressurect the characters who are for a longer time dead [as I suppose with Menoly scene she can ressurect the freashly killed characters -> Or killed characters whom she witness the scene as most likely she needs to know what exactly has happened when someone is dead]. Even if she would appear there, she would be able to heal those who has survived not those who has been killed. Also Squad 4 is taking care of Soul Society, do not forget that Hueco Mundo was invaded too, there are Arrancars who might survive and need healing too, why would she ignore them? |
ZettaikenNov 29, 2022 11:32 AM
Zech55555 said: What? I can't believe I have to spell this out for you, I am not criticizing the plot armor in Bleach or in any series. I'm even saying to embrace it because it is inevitable. Where on earth is the double standard coming from? Tabibitosan_ said: I'm sorry. I don't participate in deflection tactics. We are in a Bleach forum thread, don't conveniently change the topic. yeah but if you're gonna criticize another show don't make it a double standard |
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SteelingMax said: Byakuya should've stayed dead, also the plot point about taking Rukia and Renji with Byakuya to heal and train with the 0 Squad makes no sense, they aren't special, they're just going bc they're chummy with the main character, might as well take Kira too, dude has a hole on his torso, what about taking Hitsugaya there to train as well, he has huge potential, i'm sure he would've gotten a pretty big boost even without his bankai, they could also take Ikkaku to reforge his bankai, take Ukitake to make sure he can fight properly, take Hisagi to learn Bankai , they should just take every vice captain they can, to learn bankai, could you imagine if several vice-captains got bankai and became "Captain level"? It would be pretty helpful right, could you imagine if Hinamori, Rangiku, Iba and Omaeda stopped being useless and could now how their own against a sternritter(even if not for long)?? could you imagine how strong Yumichika's bankai would be??? Maybe if the Visards got this training they would able to get the hollowfication boost without calling their masks and would be able to do something, anything. Also i don't get why the Kido Corps doesn't show up. There are so many problems with this arc. Agree. I love byakuya but he should stay dead after the talk with ichigo and your wounds... |
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charman1995 said: Here we go again with Bleach twerkers thinking their series is an objective 10/10 again. Can't you take a compliment? Do you think everyone feels the same way about this Bleach adaptation? Also the fact that so many people have mentioned One piece in an attempt to change the topic when replying to me is a mini-proof of how defensive Bleach fans are. Tabibitosan_ said: Bleach fans gotta be the most defensive fanbase out there. I'll just make one passing comment and then I get hounded for being a One piece fan LMAO. It's not a crime to enjoy both One piece and Bleach ffs. I don't even think the new Bleach is half bad. You still had to wait 10 years for a good adaptation tho. Piromysl said: tldr: plot armour TLDR im a moron Tabibitosan_ said: Bleach fans gotta be the most defensive fanbase out there. I'll just make one passing comment and then I get hounded for being a One piece fan LMAO. It's not a crime to enjoy both One piece and Bleach ffs. I don't even think the new Bleach is half bad. You still had to wait 10 years for a good adaptation tho. We already had a good adaptation before this new anime also saying isnt half bad is a lie. Is 100% good also you think bleach fans are defensive have you seen how the one piece fandom is? I genuinely don't get it. Is it because of an inferiority complex of easily being the worst anime out of the big 3 at a particular time? It's been 10 years since the terrible O.g Bleach ended. Rub some dirt on it. At least you have this new adaptation that fans can universally twerk for. Feel free to make as many alt accounts as possible to spam 10/10s on every new Bleach production. Whatever you need to convince yourself that Bleach is the best thing since an iced caramel macchiato. |
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almightybismarck said: Information about the Bankai destroyal wasn't cut. It was instead written in the title card just like in AOT. I know but title cards are not translated overseas. So if you want to know what is written there you need to go to official Bleach website, find Keyword sub-category and use google translator to see what is written there. So if you're not fluent in Japanesee you're unable to read them x). |
Zettaiken said: Yeah, no, dude thinks Kido gives Quincy powers, this is insane.Well it was never said why Squad 0 taken those. For Renji it is also about his Bankai. Maybe it is also about Rukia's especially on how huge effects it has on her after first activation so to teach her before she kills herself. For Byakuya it is heal. Also it was never said that she achieved Bankai just because of that, she could have had it right during the Fullbring Arc. Also they could've taken them just because of Ichigo. Also They have already said, they don't care about Gotei 13. Ichibe has been the witness of countless of similar groups, they also had such problems. Especially when those groups and the Og Gotei 13 were just thugs and killers, among those who has died would be thousands of Kira's, thousands of Toshiro's etc. Afterall Ichibe knows all the names, Oetsu knows all the Zanpakutous, they just chosen them 4, is it because of Ichigo or because of something else it is up to their/Soul King Decisions. Kido Corps could have just being whiped out, like their main weapon is making Quincies stronger. Hitsugaya has his own training which makes him stronger, the same goes for Matsumoto, Shuuhei, Komamura. There is a reason why Kensei has taken him outside the Rukon Districts. But nonetheless as Tenjirou says Squad 0 is only about Royal Palace not the Seiretei, before Seiretei and Gotei 13 there could have been tens or hundreds of such places being destroyed over for them it would be just a formality so why would they even care about Gotei 13, especially that they are practically immortal. Obviously they understimated Yhwach but take a look on how old they are, they just expected him to be an another easy intruder and to fall down like 1k years ago, except for Kirio at least 3 of them are way more older than 1k years. Shuuhei doesn't do anything, Komamura i get, Matsumoto is just a support and Hitsugaya got marginally stronger, They don't care about seireitei right, why then take 3 randoms to train? If they wanted support for Ichigo, Renji would be enough, It makes no sense to not take more people, if they're already taking 3+ Ichigo. Kira(basically dead), Hitsugaya(great potential), Hisagi(strongest vice-captain w/o Bankai), Ikkaku(Broken Bankai) She can Skimt said: She can just think about him or have Renji be there to support her, her deafeting the person who killed her brother is a much better arc for both of them.SteelingMax said: Byakuya should've stayed dead. The problem with this, if you're interested in character development, is that you would've erased Byakuya and Rukia's character arcs, since their arcs complete each other. i've read the manga, it doesn't make sense. |
SteelingMaxNov 30, 2022 10:59 AM
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SteelingMax said: Yeah, no, dude thinks Kido gives Quincy powers, this is insane. Shuuhei doesn't do anything, Komamura i get, Matsumoto is just a support and Hitsugaya got marginally stronger, only later with the Deus ex Machina that he's able to do anything. They don't care about seireitei right, why then take 3 randoms to train? If they wanted support for Ichigo, Renji would be enough, since he also goes to reforge his bankai and is the only one Ichigo interacts with. It makes no sense to not take more people, if they're already taking 3+ Ichigo. Kira(basically dead), Hitsugaya(great potential), Hisagi(strongest vice-captain w/o Bankai), Ikkaku(Broken Bankai) First. Yes Kido makes Quincies stronger, they absorb Reishi as they wish, not only. If they do that during Vollstanding they are almost unkillable by characters below captain level or for Hell Arc readers for people bellow REII Class 3. Royal Palace guard is just like middle-ages top hierarchy feudal state like in Japan or Europe. They would only invite those who they think is enough, they took Renji, Rukia and Byakuya cause they are important for Ichigo and that is enough for them to take, otherwise they would take more, but they didn't. Remember that Royal Palace is very old and they have older system than Gotei 13 so while judging them you need to look at them as for some Middle-Ages society not nowadays which is always a mistake made by alot of people. Aswell as they don't care if someone has potential or if someone is not, they took only those who had deeper connections with Ichigo it is visible and as obvious as it is, otherwise they would take Zaraki Kenpachi, Unohana, Toshirou, Kyouraku and everyone who has already REII 3 class or more. But they are in older system of society and they only invites those who are "guests" with Ichigo. Ichigo is only "special" just because of his potential and his royal blood of being in Shiba clan. That is the only reason, they wouldn't care anyway, despite for Ichibei interacting with Ichigo in past. You just look through nowadays view and judge by power/strength potential, but their society does not care on this. |
| A lot of those things don't need to be explained, like Grimmjow's survival since we never actually saw him die nor received confirmation that he had died off-screen. Then again we didn't have direct confirmation that Tosen and Gin died in the manga either until one of the databooks iirc. Honestly that whole explanation/essay in the OP can be summarized as "just read the manga". |
| Byakuya and Rukia don't interact with Ichigo at all, it's just Renji, so it shuld be just him, going by your expert analize on the source material /s |
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SteelingMax said: Byakuya and Rukia don't interact with Ichigo at all, it's just Renji, so it shuld be just him, going by your expert analize on the source material /s Rukia has interacted with Ichigo since Substitute Shinigami arc, so in that meaning if someone is not interacting [cause of no accessibility] suddenly stops being considered important to Ichigo? So I guess he has no friends right now... Same for Byakuya and Renji who just . You're still trying to look at it as a typical shonen with mc who has weird dreams, just take a look as for reality and how would people react and compare it between nowadays people [Byakuya, Renji, Ichigo, Rukia] and our [world's] view on society/politics and compare it to middle-ages aristocracy/knights [Squad 0], see the difference? They will not take anyone more than it is needed, they considered them important to Ichigo and so they've taken them on Even if Ichigo is not reacting with them in this arc does not mean that they are not important to him which is why that scene has happened. Going by your expert nittpicking |
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