| If aot fans bashed mappa for cgi, what makes people think chainsaw man fans won't do the same. |
Ulises1264 said: I don't know what to say. The episode was amazing and a lot of people are hating it just for the use of CGI even though it looked awesome. I also wanted to say some things. It's ok if you don't like chainsawman but if you want to make a complaint about it please think before you right, or you'll just look like an idiot. For the edgy people : It's ok to like a popular anime. For the toxic only 1 anime lovers : You can like more than one anime. 5 percent of people make 95% noise!! The show is currently rated 9.13!! and will def finish 8.5+. I dont think people really hate the CGI. I actually found it awesome and hate CGI or love CGI, the fact is CGI is future, you can only take advantages of evolving tech with cg fest. |
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| More digestible than other known cgi's, but still looks bad. |
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| it was pretty mid not gonna lie i. I don't like character based cgi at all, but this wasn't even like cream of the crop cg usage. Fighting scene in this episode gave a lot to be desired, but rest of the episode was a 10/10 |
Yogen-No-Ko said: I'm personally a little disappointed by the CGI. I mean most of Chainsaw Man's biggest moments are action scenes so I'm definitely worried that Mappa went overboard with the CG usage and it's especially jarring because Denji in his transformed state is one of the main attractions of the series so we'll see CGI Denji a lot in the future which is a bit of a letdown. Everything aside from the CGI was pretty much perfect tho. I thought the CGI was really good, I feel like the CGI on Denji in Chainsaw form was bad most likely because it’s a dark setting. It’s still not bad CGI, I’ve seen worse but it is still very off. Still incredibly animated though. The CGI of Denji running away from the zombies was incredible that it felt mo-capped at some points. Hopefully Chainsaw Man himself will look better going forward |
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| I liked some of the CG and some I didn't. At the start, when the camera moves through the anime, it looks more like a FPS video game than an anime. Which wasn't bad. The CGi I disliked was when Denji's chainsaw's come out, because it makes his character look off compared to his usual 2D animation. His movement becomes stiffer, he has less details and the shadows are not tracking right compared to the 2D. And when he gets covered in blood, the blood is suddenly there, because it's just a layer on the "skin" of the 3D model. Long story short: To me, the 3D and 2D didn't blend well. Please don't get me wrong, I have no problem with CG. I loved the style of Dorohedoro, have no problems with mappa's AOT and I thought the CG hollows and backgrounds in the 1st episode of Bleach: 1000YBW looked awesome. My job is connected to the animation and game design world, so I totally get why they used CGI like they do and it makes CSM's camera movement absolutely topnotch. I'm still super excited for Chainsaw Man! Just don't think it's absolutely perfect like people are acting like it is. |
| It looks alright tbh. Just the one close up shot of Denji before his chainsaw revs up is kinda awkward looking. Western animation >>>>> anime. This is a fact not an opinion. |
| It was pretty jarring. I didn't like it one bit. |
| CGI was good people just want to jump on hate train for the things which are popular. |
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| Not really. Having seen Dorohedoro, I got used to the CGI that Mappa has done. It wasn't that bad. I say the mix of 3D and 2D blends well here. And the dark lighting helps out a lot. The movements were fluid and smooth. It looks good so far. |
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| people just think CGI means bad. most people can't tell good CGI apart from bad CGI. don't mind these people. |
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Lunilah said: If the whole thing was 3D it would have been fine, for the most part, but it's an inconsistent art style. The compositing of the 2D and 3D also is done very poorly, focusing heavily on the 3D. MAPPA did invest in a whole new CGI sub-studio to help with their production, following in the footsteps of Ufotable, but they clearly still have a lot to learn with composition. Here is a prime example of flawless compositing, where the character (not the environment) looks 2D, but it's actually a composite and you can see the full process. This is the goal with compositing, and maybe MAPPA already knows that and they just want to cut corners with all the anime their studio is producing by focusing on lazy 3D. You do realize that it's still just 3D environment and 2D characters in Fate, right? I don't wanna go on a rant about CGI and Ufotable but they're not the greatest at character and model CGI let me tell you that, don't even remind me of that water bridge scene with the skeletons or whatever... Oh and the tentacle monster in Zero... Christ that shit gives me PTSD... Though props to them for being able to make 3D camera movements and 2D animation angles blend in seamlessly, a great feat for sure. |
Tigasferu said: I made an effort to specifically point out: Lunilah said: If the whole thing was 3D it would have been fine, for the most part, but it's an inconsistent art style. The compositing of the 2D and 3D also is done very poorly, focusing heavily on the 3D. MAPPA did invest in a whole new CGI sub-studio to help with their production, following in the footsteps of Ufotable, but they clearly still have a lot to learn with composition. Here is a prime example of flawless compositing, where the character (not the environment) looks 2D, but it's actually a composite and you can see the full process. This is the goal with compositing, and maybe MAPPA already knows that and they just want to cut corners with all the anime their studio is producing by focusing on lazy 3D. You do realize that it's still just 3D environment and 2D characters in Fate, right? I don't wanna go on a rant about CGI and Ufotable but they're not the greatest at character and model CGI let me tell you that, don't even remind me of that water bridge scene with the skeletons or whatever... Oh and the tentacle monster in Zero... Christ that shit gives me PTSD... Though props to them for being able to make 3D camera movements and 2D animation angles blend in seamlessly, a great feat for sure. Lunilah said: (not the environment) |
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| it looks bad yes... |
Lunilah said: Tigasferu said: I made an effort to specifically point out: You do realize that it's still just 3D environment and 2D characters in Fate, right? I don't wanna go on a rant about CGI and Ufotable but they're not the greatest at character and model CGI let me tell you that, don't even remind me of that water bridge scene with the skeletons or whatever... Oh and the tentacle monster in Zero... Christ that shit gives me PTSD... Though props to them for being able to make 3D camera movements and 2D animation angles blend in seamlessly, a great feat for sure. Lunilah said: (not the environment) And I made an effort to point out where you're wrong for pointing out things... Calling it "lazy" 3D and poorly animated is almost as bad as comparing it to the likes of Ex-Arm or even Hand Shakers. I get all that you said but going under this thread to compare a studio that has a lot of experience with utilizing digital resources, since its founding, to save time and create polished products, with their backgrounds and camera work, to a studio that mainly utilizes computer generated imagery for models, character models to be specific, to facilitate the production of their works is just baffling. I'd call She Hulk a lazy 3D piece of shit work, since the company behind it does have a lot of experience and money to throw into their projects, but saying that what we saw in this episode was just a bunch of people in a meeting room slacking off pressing the render button and launching the episode into the moon is a tad over the top. |
Tigasferu said: "Lazy 3D", not "Lazy" 3D. As in, 3D as a means of shortcutting having to hand draw all the frames responsible for a fluid scene. Unless you really think 3D, in the anime industry, is just as much work as 2D. This also has to do with MAPPA recently opening that new department or sub-studio (forget which it was) strictly for CG, as well as their reputation as an employer.Lunilah said: I made an effort to specifically point out: And I made an effort to point out where you're wrong for pointing out things... Calling it "lazy" 3D and poorly animated is almost as bad as comparing it to the likes of Ex-Arm or even Hand Shakers. I get all that you said but going under this thread to compare a studio that has a lot of experience with utilizing digital resources, since its founding, to save time and create polished products, with their backgrounds and camera work, to a studio that mainly utilizes computer generated imagery for models, character models to be specific, to facilitate the production of their works is just baffling. I'd call She Hulk a lazy 3D piece of shit work, since the company behind it does have a lot of experience and money to throw into their projects, but saying that what we saw in this episode was just a bunch of people in a meeting room slacking off pressing the render button and launching the episode into the moon is a tad over the top. Still don't know why you mentioned the environment. She-Hulk doesn't fit as a comparison either, as i wouldn't call that lazy at all. It's a totally different context, and a different conversation entirely when the issue with live action is mostly with CG vs Practical Effects. |
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| its just okay in my opinion,i've seen far worse |
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| Expected worse. Was pleasantly surprised. CGI is good. |
| Personally, I didn't mind the CGI at all. It really isn't THAT bad. Sure, it looked a little out of place sometimes, but it didn't make the episode any less fantastic. |
| CGI is very good.. |
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