Tomodachi Game Episode 6 Discussion

TaTuy said:
from your comment it made me know You are the one who judges other things by your own eyes and prejudice. not use your brain No matter how bad this anime is But what I get from your message is bias.

Chipp12 said:

The rule says that you move in front of a leader if your lie gets exposed. How do you expect them to move participants around for 12 lies? It's logical that they'll adjust that only for the top voted results. Also I've edited my previous comments and you quoted the outdated one.
As I've already said game admins have sponsors for that game and they need them to be entertained instead of wasting time on verifying every single thing if there are so many discrepancies.

ROMARIOkkkk said:
Everything you're saying is just assumptions, things that weren't even discussed but you took it as the truth.

Chipp12 said:

Same for your assumptions.

pasanoid said:


for a last few episodes Tenji guy is established as an amogus and what's more we get to hear his lengthy inner rambling -- he goes on and on about taking Sawaragi girl for himself and not much more. suddenly -- when it was revealed to the entire gang that he is in fact the amogus -- he declares himself gay, makes out with the mc and they both jump off the bridge. a meaningful start of a redemption arc? the story lays out some premises and then -- fuck you I lied -- goes in completely opposite direction. this is not an earned plot twist, this is a puddle of piss

ROMARIOkkkk said:
First, it's implied that Yuuichi did the way he did because he was trying to "help" the traitor. Let me explain, the reason why Yuuichi in first place accepted to play the Tomodachi Game was because he wanted to help his friend in debt. Therefore until the first "strategy" (the one that failed) he (and everyone else) thought that the traitor's goal was to get rid of their debt. Remember what Yuuichi did? He gave them a full layout of how the second game works saying that the "second part" of the game would have more spaces that reduce their debt, and then he said that he'd want to end that game with everyone together, with no more fight. He basically gave a chance to the traitor reduce their debt IF their problem was money, he gave this chance because he truly considered everyone there his friend, even the traitor and he wanted to help this traitor. But when he noticed that the traitor's goal was actually something else but not money, Yuuichi changed his mind. The traitor (who at that moment, they thought their problem was money) refused the best strategy to reduce their debt. Yuuichi who tried to help the traitor, who he also considered a friend, changed his plans at that moment.
Do you get it now?

phantomfandom said:
It's a big win, LOVE WINS! Even if I have 100 chances to predict how this episode will end I would never predict that kiss, considering that I'm also BL too. I bet even the smart ass Yuichi didn't see this coming LOL.

I need more BL twist like this in other anime, don't let Tomodachi Game be the only one in this path (sure, it's not the only one, but still very rare). I need to make it normal to have a guy kiss a guy.

ROMARIOkkkk said:
See? You don't even try to argue or refute what I said. Just take a bunch of rules out of your ass and take it for granted. Kinda pathetic

ROMARIOkkkk said:
Once again, wasn't it obvious that he just kissed Yuuichi so he could go on to the next game? Even when I was reading the manga was pretty obvious, not just that but this adaptation made it pretty clear that "Tenji has its own motives". It's not like he loves Yuuichi tho...

WilfredJohnson said:
Someone please tell me they kill of those annoying ass commentary girls this show would have 10x better pacing if they didn’t explain everything. Everything actually interesting happens in the last 5 minutes. Other than that great ep

RinTheWanderer said:


I don't think he assumed their goal was money. It was a possibility but he made sure to try and figure out if it was or was not their goal. It's a little unreasonable to assume getting out of debt was the goal because this game has horrible risk/reward and they had a rich friend in Shibe. They have much safer better means to escape debt.

I also don't think he intended everyone to win the game even from the start. If he did, there is a foolproof way to ensure a 5 way tie, by tricking everyone into telling a lie that only he could confirm and then revealing them when someone is one or two spaces from the end. He also still had the option of doing so after figuring out tenji was the traitor but not for debt. There's no logical reason for him to change his mind just because debt wasn't the traitors primary concern. He still has 3 non traitors who have to worry about the debt.

Additionally, his reasoning for going on alone had nothing to do with the traitor and everything to do with wanting to keep his friends safe from the rest of the game as well as assuage his guilt for not telling them he was a murderer.

In fact, if he really wanted to go on alone and expose the traitor he could do it on the very first turn of the game all by himself. Write 100 cards that say "I think 1+1 = 3", and then write "shibe applied to the tomodachi game", "shiho applied to the tomodachi game" "other girl (i forget her name) applied to the tomodachi game" "tenji applied to the tomodachi game". He then claims all of them are lies. They verify that tenji applying to the tomodachi game is not a lie and then punish him for 103 lies moving him 103 spaces forward ending the game instantly. This also leaves no time for his friends to start tearing apart the friendship and no chance for the traitor to "go berserk". It also doesn't require any cooperation from his friends and they don't have time to land on any squares to acquire any extra debt since we see that lying movement is applied before turn movement. In fact, it completely minimizes the amount of debt gained in the game. It is a flawless strategy.

Chipp12 said:

You know what? At the end of the day it's not important what he could or couldn't do to make the game go smoother. He was controlling the flow of the game to achieve his goal - go to the next game alone while leaving others behind - and he has (almost) done that.

ROMARIOkkkk said:
Bitch anyone with 2 iq would have noticed he desperately tried to go to the 3rd game, all your damn questions will be answered next episode.

Sorry for the "bitch" :(

ROMARIOkkkk said:

No it's not a little unreasonable. The purpose of the game is precisely to get rid of a debt that one of the 5 has through cooperation. Of course, Yuuichi might think a little further and say "maybe their motive isn't money", but aguarbly the first thought would be that the traitor is desperately trying to get out of debt.

Of course that was a way to Yuuichi tests the traitor. While he wanted everyone to cooperate through that first strategy, he also wanted to test the traitor's objective.

Now here you are right, it is possible that his plan from the beginning was to go alone to the next game. But still, he saw the opportunity for everyone to cooperate there in the second part of the game, where the debt would decrease dramatically. By doing this by arriving at the last space with everyone together, he could reveal that he told a lie and then go alone to the next game with almost no debt acquired there. The point is that he did all this in order to acquire as little debt as possible, a plan that failed because the traitor's purpose was not money. Either way, he still tried to help the traitor by using that strategy/test that failed, after all that's why he accepted to play the game in first place.

Now this strategy makes kinda sense but i don't think it would work, first because i doubt "I think 1+1=3" would be considered a defamation (if they consideredthat as a slander i would find it pretty dumb), second because it was just the start of the game, i don't think he had realized how the spaces would work.

RinTheWanderer said:


I mean, it goes back to the fundamental flaw of the story. Tomodachi game is not a good way to escape debt. It's extremely high risk and you immediately give up all control over the situation to people you don't know and can't trust (the admnistrators). Even if you are a complete sociopath and don't care about ruining the lives of people who call you friend, it's STILL a terrible idea to go into tomodachi game. There easier ways to escape debt that are much lower risk.

You mention that on turn one Yuuichi hadn't learned how the spaces work but he literally never learns how they work. He just assumes and is lucky to be correct. If he makes the same baseless assumption turn 1, it would have worked. If 1+1 = 3 isn't enough of a slander then he could just write fake slanders that are basic. Doesn't really change the situation.

And honestly his idea didn't even correctly deduce tenji wasn't doing it for money. We don't know how the rest or end of the game works so it's impossible to contextualize what lower debt means at this stage of the game. There could be a game later where you buy useful tools in the game with accumulated debt for instance or any number of things. Maybe turn order in a pivotal game is decided with debt and having the least at that stage is terrible. Maybe if you do too well they shoot you. There's too many unknowns for Yuuichi to come to the conclusions he did.

RinTheWanderer said:
There could be a game later where you buy useful tools in the game with accumulated debt for instance

Chipp12 said:

How do you buy with debt? I'd really like to know how that works.

ROMARIOkkkk said:

Here you are making quite heavy assumptions and saying that is "flaw". Can't tell you much without spoiler, all I can say is that the Yuuichi was who really had the purest of the intentions in accepting to play the Tomodachi Game, he really just wanted to help his friends. Now about the others... we already "know" Tenji's motive.

Now I think Yuuichi did have reasons for make his assumption. Until the 6th period (if i'm not mistaken) they didn't know there were spaces where their debt would decrease. He based his assumptions on a real Sugoroku (i don't know how they work) and on how the game proposes the idea that if everyone cooperates, they can get rid of their debt. You can't play a damn game where you win 2 million yen if you clear it, but you lose more than that 2 million over the course of the game, even if you do exactly what you're supposed to do, cooperate.

In this part are you talking about the 2nd game or the Tomodachi Game as a whole? Anyway, when I said he tested Tenji's goal i was only referring to this 2nd game. I've already read the manga, but even so i don't think there could be any game where you use your debt to "buy" something. It would a bit inconsistent if you ask me. And would be such a bold of the traitor to think like that "oh, maybe the next games i'll need to have the largest debt in order to take the advantege and win". I mean, you only play the Tomodachi Game to reduce your debt, don't ya? Lol, why would you do the opposite of get rid of your debt at that moment lol.

Chipp12 said:

How do you buy with debt? I'd really like to know how that works.

Aluminum_ said:
It pains me that after Yuichi gave an effort to expose the traitor and make himself play the third game alone (to save his' friends asses), they just immediately doubted, judged and casted Yuichi aside after knowing what he did in the past, especially Shibe (you fucking idiot).

I'm itching to know what the third game will be and why Tenji was so desperate to join Yuichi on it.

RinTheWanderer said:


His assumption that debt reduction spaces exist is because the game would be boring to the spectators otherwise. This assumption holds just as much weight before or after you see debt spaces and the optimal way of ending the game on 1 turn avoids all spaces and guarantees debt reduction.

I'm not making any assumptions. A person agreeing to play tomodachi game without prior knowledge with the goal of reducing debt is an idiot. There is no way around this. You'd have to be incredibly incredibly stupid to apply to the game to reduce debt unless you know how the game works (like being a previous player). That's the flaw of the story. By even agreeing to play the game in the first place, they have all proven they are irrational and dumb. The author just needs you to look the other way and accept that the characters magically assume they will be safe playing the game and that the game is fair and that if they win, the administrators will stick to their word and reduce the debt.

If the logical and smart tenji was the one that applied to the game, it's unthinkiable that it would be to reduce debt and without prior knowledge, because he isn't that stupid. He would be better served blackmailing Shibe's dad or something.

As to your last point, even if there isn't a way to use debt to your advantage in a future game, Yuuichi can't know that. If he correctly deduces that the traitor has prior knowledge of the tomodachi game, he can't predict the traitors actions, because he doesn't know how the future games will look.

For instance in kaiji very first game, you can use debt to your advantage. It's not even something that hasn't been done before in the genre. It doesn't matter if the actual game does it or not, because Yuuichi hasn't seen the rest of the game and the traitor may have.

The logic in this series is closer to misdirection than deduction. There's a lot of things the author needs you to not pay attention to or question in order for the story to proceed.