humblewatcher said: FZREMAKE said: First Upper moon is quite powerful and I guess his rank is number 1 because the difference in power between him and Douma is quite large, there is no way Shonobu would be alive if she ever faced Upper 1 even with the help of other Hashira. Theoretically and logically speaking, Gyomei tops every other Hashira. He has every quality needed to survive and defeat any demon. Even if you base it on the value they got from their lives and how they would fare against any demon, I would still think Gyomei tops it all. Gyomei is the oldest Hashira and so he has delivered and provided more services than other current Hashiras. Not only that, speed and strategy might be required in a fight, but so is strength, whats the point when you wont be able to behead an upper moon or even get close to him. Speed and strategy is what gyomei also has along with immense strength. we dont know that unless she actually fights. You are answering emotionally because what you think may or may not happen. I am saying what has actually happened . And how much ever the age be I dont think defeating normal demon should be compare to defeating an upper rank. Gyoumei is strong but that doesnt mean upper 1 will be able to kill the fastest hashira but not gyoumei, its just assumption and assumptions are not confident statements that will make me change my rankings. Well in that case, we dont know what would have happened if Gyomei was the one fighting Douma instead. I still think that the fastest Hashira is Tengen. Gyomei fighting head on against Upper 1 is not an assumption. If you really think that speed and tactics are more important than strength and experience, than Tengen should have been ranked higher as a Hashira but he still considered himself weaker as a Hashira overall (even though he was the second strongest in terms of arm strength and quite possibly the fastest). |
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i'm fairly certain i've seen it confirmed that himejima is the strongest overall, i'm not sure how i'd rank them, but fun fact, gotouge ranked the hashira by arm-wrestling strength; |
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Deschanel said: In my opinion (From Strongest to Weakest) : 1- The Stone Hashira [Gyomei Himejima] 2- The Wind Hashira [Sanemi Shinazugawa] 3- The Serpent Hashira [Obanai Iguro] 4- The Mist Hashira [Muichiro Tokito] 5- The Water Hashira [Giyu Tomioka] 6- The Flame Hashira [Kyojuro Rengoku] 7- The Love Hashira [Mitsuri Kanroji] 8- The Sound Hashira [Tengen Uzui] 9- The Insect Hashira [Shinobu Kocho] Totally agree with this one. Though I'd put Muichiro and Giyu at 4, because both of them are around the same level. Muichiro had more potential than Giyu tho. |
| Imo 1. Gyomei Himejima, The Stone Hashira 2. Obanai Iguro, The Serpent Hashira 3. Sanemi Shinazugawa, The Wind Hashira 4. Giyu Tomioka, The Water Hashira 5. Muichiro Tokito, The Mist Hashira 6. Mitsuri Kanroji, The Love Hashira 7. Kyojuro Rengoku, The Flame Hashira 8. Shinobu Kocho, The Insect Hashira 9. Tengen Uzui, The Sound Hashira |
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Lokeshlm10 said: humblewatcher said: my opinion 1 shinobu 2 gyoumei 3 sanemi 4 muichiro 5 obanai 6 mitsuri 7 rengoku 8 uzui 9 giyu Also I would like to mention that shinobu at no 1 because she basically took down singlehandedly, with very little support from 2 non hashiras. You are free to contradict me logically, please nothing like "its written in manga", because manga tells of physical strength and face off not fighting against demon rankings. Also I may agree to swap no 1 and 2 but other than that its fixed, but i respect your opinion if you have a different ranking, just please contradict logically, without any hate. poison counts as strength? if so then she is 1 or 2 but y giyu is in 9th when it comes to a battle, every possible techniques to get a victory is a strength. Shinobu was very intelligent, She was ready to sacrifice herself, if it means to get revenge and victory. She baited Douma into eating her and thus killed him. She might have lost the battle, but won the war. Basically what she did was "Drop a live grenade on death" Personally, I'd place her as 3rd or 4th, in this list. |
humblewatcher said: Now remove the plot-convenience that Doma likes to eat women and what happens to Shinobu?that weakening up2 by 60 percent and being unluckily caught. You're saying that Kanao isn't Hashira level but Doma says she's weaker than Kanao? |
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humblewatcher said: FZREMAKE said: Well in that case, we dont know what would have happened if Gyomei was the one fighting Douma instead. I still think that the fastest Hashira is Tengen. Gyomei fighting head on against Upper 1 is not an assumption. If you really think that speed and tactics are more important than strength and experience, than Tengen should have been ranked higher as a Hashira but he still considered himself weaker as a Hashira overall (even though he was the second strongest in terms of arm strength and quite possibly the fastest). tengen is fastest in arm speed and constant running not at prime with ds mark, see manga, it clearly says no one was able to see shinobu at her prime speed Yeah these are all reasons why you think Shinobu is strong, but where is your reason that Gyomei is not the strongest. I mean yeah Shinobu is strong, thats why she is a Hashira in the first place, but Gyomei is clearly stronger. There is solid proof in the manga that Gyomei is the strongest Hashira alive right now so you cant ignore that (and no I am not talking about that arm wrestling list). |
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humblewatcher said: physical strengh is not the only factor When did Doma state that it was physical strength? "Doma: This girl might just be a little more skillful than the Hashira girl I ate" You are turning a blind-eye to the fact that Doma himself stated that Kanao is more skillful than Shinobu. And you're saying that Kanao is not Hashira level-- so is Shinobu not Hashira level because she's weaker than Kanao? Which is it? |
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humblewatcher said: Right.kanao going at full power, vs shinobu planned to be eaten as an option . So you're saying that an enraged/blood-lusted Shinobu.. was holding back the entire time because she might kill Doma if she went full power? Okay got it. lmao. Best thing I've heard this week. and Kanao wasn't even at full power here as she haven't used her Vermillion eyes yet. |
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humblewatcher said: Nope, the poison only took effect on the final part when he was leaving. But nvm.she reduced his power to 60 percent so he feels that way because he is weaker due to poison. Anyways here's my ranking: 1. Stone 2. Wind = Water 3. Flame 4. Serpent 5. Sound 6. Mist 7. Love / Insect |
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Dagbarox said: Rengoku is literally Mitsuri's master lolHow Rengoku is above Giyuu and Mitsuri? Makes no sense |
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humblewatcher said: FZREMAKE said: Yeah these are all reasons why you think Shinobu is strong, but where is your reason that Gyomei is not the strongest. I mean yeah Shinobu is strong, thats why she is a Hashira in the first place, but Gyomei is clearly stronger. There is solid proof in the manga that Gyomei is the strongest Hashira alive right now so you cant ignore that (and no I am not talking about that arm wrestling list). bro this is the last reply as i have stated the logic of my rankings quite often. I put shinobu above gyoumei because in general for defeating demons speed and intelligence, strategies and cunningness give more favourable outcomes and higher chance of success that just physique. In a 1 v 1 gyoumei will beat shinobu, but thats not what the list is about, the list is about in general against all types of demon class ie strength speed etc who has better chance overall and more no of favourable scenarios to win. If ir was 1 v 1 shinobu would be 5 th at best but against general demon class she is 1 or 2 at worst. Ok bud you can have your own opinions and rankings but I am still convinced that it has been objectively confirmed that Gyomei is the strongest and the best Hashira in many years. Physique is just as important in a battle especially against demon. What would happen if shinobu loses stamina, what would happen if she couldn't reach the neck of demon to deliver her poison. Demons like Upper 1 wont even let Shinobu get close because he himself uses a sword. Besides Gyomei can literally beat demons till sunlight. Even he did not need to use a nichirin blade to kill demons. Shinobu's cunningness against douma only worked once which means that gyomei's live was more valuable. Also he has the most experience going into a battle. He is around 7 or 8 years older than Shinobu and not to mention he himself became a Hashira in just two months. And if Gyomei can beat Shinobu 1v1, then that means that he can easily beat any demon that Shinobu can beat too. Against general demons, Gyomei remains to be the strongest. Shinobu might be cunning but Gyomei can overpower most demons in battles and can be more useful. |
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