| "Wow, this anime has no fanservice, definitely a modern masterpiece, a breathe of fresh air, etc blablabla" Is fanservice really that bad? Yeah, i understand that ecchi and sexual jokes are sometimes annoying or else but is not having a fanservice really makes some show special and great? If so, why? |
| Хайде, хайде, хайде, това е първата зона, брато, първа зона, първа зона, добре, добре, добре, това става тук горе, отива тук горе, само спокойно, само спокойно... Ха, отдясно е, навсякъде отдясно отдясно къде е дясното ти о да добре добре добре тихо мълчаливо не успях да се съсредоточа върху това ЕХ ТЪПАК КОГАТО СИ БАВНО БАВНО ... ой е путката на моето момиче прасе куче, аз Чувствам се добре, о, мамо, *шамар*, какво е това госпожице татко- |
| You've already answered it yourself: just puritans being snowflakes |
| Cue the usual slew of unoriginal insults towards ecchi fans in 3.._2...1 |
| "Well, she's flatter than a pancake" -Mimi Alpacas |
| It ain't that bad, people are overreacting lol |
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| I don't understand why people for example say that Sono Bisque anime has so much fan service. I don't see any part of that show as fan service except maybe that bathroom accident. Maybe since I'm an old fart I see that as a normal point of view. For it to be fan service, it would be more forced like accidental trip of the girl and panty flash for it to be fan service. Am I the only one to think like this? So I don't mind your kind of "fan service" since it's not fan service for me. But the ones that are forced are a pain in the ass. |
| "You only realize the real value of something you discarded when you get the chance to pick it up again." - Rudeus Greyrat |
| fanservice is the work of the antichrist. it's too dangerous. |
| I doubt not having lewd content for horny teens is enough to qualify as a masterpiece. In fact, I have never seen someone claim a show is "a modern masterpiece" simply because it has no ecchi. Seems to me that OP is discussing imaginary boogeymen as is typical in these threads. Can a show be a masterpiece while trying to appeal to horny teens? Yeah sure. Can it be a masterpiece while constantly trying to do it in the cringiest ways? Maaaaaaybe... but I never saw one. This said what's cringe depends on who you ask. I found Darling in the Franxx wasn't cringe at all with its sexual subtext text and fanservice, so there's that (^: Tropisch said: Cue the usual slew of unoriginal insults towards ecchi fans in 3.._2...1 These threads are usually a bunch of ecchi fans yelling at clouds tho... I saw a dozen of these for every vocal ecchi hater out there. |
DeathkoMar 26, 2022 8:58 AM
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| I say go all out. Show fanservice, ecchi, or even vore for all I care. If there is a market, it'll sell, and if it's bad it'll die. That being said, people virtue signal a lot about these topics. I have seen many instances of "Anything related to r*pe shouldn't be shown in media." Bruh, the only reason shield hero sold this much was related to a r*pe allegation. Numbers tell a lot more over attention hungry people voicing opinions on everything. |
Anime was it's best 20000 years ago, when cavemen drew art with real depth. Modern anime is all garbage. I miss great old days of anime. |
| It can be both. It's not that's "threatening", only annoying as you said, or disruptive to the tone/narrative of the anime. Take Monogatari for instance: it's a series that's already packed with fanservice through all seasons, and still Nisemonogatari has kind of a bad name even among fans of it because of how over the top it handled its fanservice (and for some reason it's always Monogatari fans the first ones to bash other anime for having fanservice or harems, go figure). Most times it all depends on how it's handled. Giving an easy example, it's easier to take Kill La Kill seriously because of how it embraces fanservice as part of its narrative than something like 86, which is constantly switching from scenes of tragedy, war and suffering to shots of Lena delightfully eating cakes like the usual cute anime girl — I know this isn't the kind of fanservice you're refering to, but it's an example of how scenes like those that don't really fit with the tone of the anime can be disruptive to the narrative. Then you do have prudish young men that get terrified at the thought of seeing boobs and spend their days virtue signaling in ecchi topics, but honestly those are really in the minority, especially when compared to ecchi fans themselves. |
| That is a dumb leading question. It's not threatening, nor is someone being a snowflake for not enjoying it. It's simply annoying when it is unnecessary. |
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DiabolicRadiant said: Is fanservice really that threatening or it's just puritans being snowflakes? Unless fanservice in Anime is having some adverse effect on the Japanese population where they can absolutely conclude it's actually linked to the decline of their domestic birthrates, it's no more a threat than worrying about suddenly spontaneously combusting. DiabolicRadiant said: "Wow, this anime has no fanservice, definitely a modern masterpiece, a breathe of fresh air, etc blablabla" Is fanservice really that bad? Yeah, i understand that ecchi and sexual jokes are sometimes annoying or else but is not having a fanservice really makes some show special and great? If so, why? Fanservice is only as bad as one can make it out to be. If a user is strictly just watching Fanservice in Anime just as masturbation material, they are probably just young horny teens that would be the equivalent to a young high school student masturbating to the lingerie section of a Sears catalog in the 70s and 80s. Even so, it would be hard to believe that even young people today who get over stimulated by the brief sight of animated bare boobs or getting a glimpse of a woman in panties would watch it just to masturbate to. I can only speak for myself, but as I got older and more sexually experienced in life I became more desensitized to seeing anything sexual in any medium. Fanservice is great for heterosexual males because it's good eye candy. It's more appealing to watch something that is easy on ones eyes while enjoying entertainment. I honestly can say I find it more enjoyable to watch Anime with an attractive cast of females then watching something completely devoid of any female presence. Fanservice just ends up being icing on a cake. |
ColourWheelMar 26, 2022 10:01 AM
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| Well it doesn't make a show masterpiece or special but atleast makes its more bearable. |
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| Nope. Just like if a game isn't automatically better if the female characters are fully covered. I'm one of those weirdos who believe it's significantly better to stare at half naked fictional characters than to go out and harass actual women. But I guess not everyone can agree with that. |
| It's for loser degenerates and doesn't serve a purpose in making the show better. |
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| While I myself do not enjoy sexual fanservice, I would not describe it as "threatening". At the end of the day, it's all just fiction anyway. I don't like it, but I don't mind its inclusion for those who do. |
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| Sexual humor would be great, cramming the same old crappy joke on flat girls vs busty girls makes me question whether the rest of the show is as trashy as its comedy. That's not always the case, but this kind of fanservice doesn't add any value to the show either. Thus, at best it's a waste of time. |
| Personally, I'm not opposed to fanservice if done properly. But if its just done as the main attraction of a series with paper-thin story and characters or there is a non-consenting party to characters involved in lewd acts, then I'm not going to be as interested in it. |
DiabolicRadiant said: Is fanservice really that bad? Yeah, i understand that ecchi and sexual jokes are sometimes annoying or else but is not having a fanservice really makes some show special and great? If so, why? Well since you already came in with a fixed opinion anyways ("puritan snowflakes") I don't assume you want an actual answer, but I'm gonna reply anyways: As someone who hates fanservice with a vengeance - yes, it is that bad. It automatically detracts from the show for me and has never, even once, enriched it. Most of the time it ruins the established mood of a scene, in worse examples it even ruins entire characters or the believability of the worldbuilding because it forces characters to act in despicable or idiotic ways for the fanservice to happen or handwaves the reason for it in ways that make the whole world seem dumb. I think I need to clarify though: I don't have a problem with nudity. I don't consider something fanservice just because a character loses their clothes or ends up in a sexual situation - the problem is the FAN part of fanservice. As in, the scene or shot exists specifically, and ONLY, for the sexual pleasure of the viewer. So it's mainly a "camera angle" thing. For example: if the POV character notices the big boobs on a girl he likes and we see those "through his eyes", that isn't fanservice to me. If a female character kneels in front of a guy and the camera is shoved up her skirt just so the viewer can oggle her panties, that IS fanservice. No one in the scene can even see that. It's literally JUST there for the viewer, and it feels f*cking sleazy. To give a male example: Free! goes out of it's way to display the naked bodies of the male swimmers in the most "sexy" ways it can, stuff like the camera following water droplets running down between prominent strings of muscles and the like. That is absolutely fanservice. Compare that to something like Re-Main, which also includes a lot of male nudity due to the nature of the sport (water polo), yet no such unnecessary sexualization shows up. The other aspect, as mentioned earlier, is how much it breaks the scene or plot. I couldn't take the lore of Fire Force seriously anymore after it was revealed that the fake catgirl's power is canonically linked to forcibly getting groped by any guy in the vicinity. I don't want to see sad scenes where someone gets hugged while crying over the loss of a close friend or relative get interrupted by "but the hugger has boobas!" Only to think it can go right back to the sad. I'm sick of losing all respect for characters because they HAVE to include a "protag is spying on girls while changing/bathing" scene. Of course, none of this applies to shows where the fanservice very much IS the point. If I start a show with an ecchi tag, I know what I'm getting myself into, and I wouldn't ever complain about it. That's what people are here for, that's the point. My problem with fanservice stems exclusively from the ridiculous amount of shows that are about something completely different but regularly interrupt their actual plot just to give the audience some hot 2D pixels to ogle. All in all, I don't think not having fanservice is something that automatically makes a show amazing; there are a lot of incredibly bad shows that aren't particularly sexualized. But is it incredibly refreshing, especially in genres plagued by it? Hell yes 😁 |
| Most Fanservice doesn’t bother me. I don’t think it breaks a series. I do, however, find fanservice that does nothing to add to the series to be annoying because it seems like it’s just there to be there. For example, How Not to Summon a Demon Lord has an epic amount of fanservice. But considering the MC was a shut-in with no idea how to interact with other people, throwing half-naked women at him is hilarious. It highlights how he went from one extreme (total shut-in), to a powerful, nekkid-lady-magnet, demon lord. He has no idea how to act XD. There’s also ones like Classroom of the Elite, where I can understand the boob-closeups because 1) some of the girls are sly and do it on purpose 2) teenage boys are gonna stare at boobs. But anime like Akashic Records of Bastard Magic Instructor, the boys had normal school clothes, while the girls were basically naked. Now if everyone wore skimpy clothes, and it something like ‘being closer to the natural state enhanced the magic’ I could understand that. But there wasn’t. The girls clothes are just skimpy for no reason. That’s the kind of fan-service that gets on my nerves. If an anime is good, I’ll watch it, but excessive, unneeded fanservice would affect my rating in the streaming platform. |
| “May Glory be with you and never end.” -TKA |
| It’s really not that bad. I acknowledge that there are some tasteless fan service such as Fire Force, but can’t say I’ve seen anything other than that. A lot of people who complain about fan service are hypocrites anyway |
FanofAction said: I'm one of those weirdos who believe it's significantly better to stare at half naked fictional characters than to go out and harass actual women. ....you DO know those are not the only two options, right? 😅 I understand that argument for stuff like pedophilia, but women aren't some mystical, incompatible being that people can never be with irl. Guys can have normal relationships with them, everything from one night stands to marriage, and if all else fails, prostitution is a thing too. It's not like the only two options are "stick to 2D" or "force yourself on someone". You can even enjoy ecchi AND have a real life partner at the same time! |
| I personally have no problem with fan service as long it is done well and is not excessive. |
| I honestly don't care that much. If there are a couple of ecchi scenes in an anime I really like, I just ignore them. Though I can get why people get a bit mad over them. |
| Oh yeah, cuz twelve-year-olds are really gonna know the answer to this one. |
 In most cases, the MAL Average Scores don't mean anything, here is a question: were the works made before 2000 all shit? Why are they so damn scarce in the Top 50? Think about how MAL is quite literally a filtered amount of the Anime fanbase. Here's a timeline of the Top 15 in which you can check that, almost always, the scores are affected by the freshness, popularity and other factors that have nothing to do with quality. |
| when someone's criticism towards a series revolves around it having fanservice you know they have nothing meaningful to say about why it's bad so they just focus on this instead. |
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SleepySera said: FanofAction said: I'm one of those weirdos who believe it's significantly better to stare at half naked fictional characters than to go out and harass actual women. ....you DO know those are not the only two options, right? 😅 I understand that argument for stuff like pedophilia, but women aren't some mystical, incompatible being that people can never be with irl. Guys can have normal relationships with them, everything from one night stands to marriage, and if all else fails, prostitution is a thing too. It's not like the only two options are "stick to 2D" or "force yourself on someone". You can even enjoy ecchi AND have a real life partner at the same time! I never said those were the only two options...Maybe I should have been more clear. You see, there's these people who seem to think looking at this type of content is comparable to going out and stalking/peeping on actual women. I was simply stating that I disagree with that mindset. Because it is dumb. |
FanofActionMar 26, 2022 10:54 AM
| If it's done subtly or isn't the main plot point, then it's fine. Tho this is more of a personal opinion rather than telling how much quality it has. "My dress up darling" is a good example on how to make a show with lots of fanservice while at the same time having compelling characters and story. I would usually skip this types of series, but it even amazes someone who would rather go without it. |
| your usual reminder that "fanservice" does not inherently mean "sex or nudity" but to answer the question as you pose it, yes it is just puritans being snowflakes or, it's potentially pseudo-intellectuals who derive a strange superiority complex from what they think about cartoons in a language they can't even understand not that one is automatically the other, but there is significant crossover between the two, more than coincidence |
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| Puritans being snowflakes, easy. I hate it when people call an anime "borderline hentai" just because it's a bit sexual. Hentai = plot is an excuse to show some sex scenes, and that's not always the case with ecchi anime. P.S. My Dress up Darling is bad despite the fanservice, not because of it. |
| To answer your question, it is just puritans being snowflakes. But for me fanservice makes the show boring or I end up hatng a particular anime because of the fanservice being overused. I don't have problem unless it is in limits. |
| Is lacking fanservice really that threatening or it's just degenerates being snowflakes? "Wow, this anime has so much fanservice, definitely a modern masterpiece, a breathe of fresh air, etc blablabla" Is fanservice really that good? Yeah, i understand that ecchi and sexual jokes are sometimes ok or else but does having fanservice really makes some show special and great? If so, why? |
| Fanservice is just a cheap trick to make horny 12 year olds think a weak show is stronger. |
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| It's just puritans being snowflakes and a lot of the Twitter variety end up being outed for following hentai artists or for having retweets of fanservice, a few were caught following artists who drew lolis and shota and said snowflakes just squirm, sweat, and act like they didn't know; it's hilarious to see. |
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| Is not liking obscene amounts of fanservice in anime really that threatening or are most weebs just snowflakes? |
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| This question is leading. No one is threatened by fanservice, it just reduces immersion and makes the anime worse, that's all. Not having fanservice doesn't make a show great, but considering the vast majority of anime has fanservice, it does make it in a way special. This is common sense, OP. You have to be edgy or trying hard not to understand it, or trying hard to justify softcore kiddie porno (the average age of anime characters is under 16). |
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HaiYai_Forces said: I personally have no issues with fanservice, but I can understand why some people may have issues with it. Fanservice can be distracting in a show where it's not needed and you can't recommend anime to friends who are not into this medium because there's a high chance that absurdity will turn them off. This is my take as well. I can usually ignore fanservice or even find it good. However, I can understand when people find it distracting. |
| “A lesson without pain is meaningless. That's because no one can gain without sacrificing something. But by enduring that pain and overcoming it, he shall obtain a powerful, unmatched heart. A fullmetal heart.” I like 95% of the anime I watch. Fashies and the like can go fuck themselves. |
| Can't stand ecchi, but that has nothing to do with morals. I don't think less of creators that use it and I certainly don't think less of those who enjoy it It's just that, since I don't find real humans attractive, I have no such feeling for animated humans either, thus ecchi scenes are all a waste of time for me. They're not fulfilling their intended purpose (arousal) for me, and I'll criticize them how I would criticize any other element in any other series which I don't find to have effectively served its purpose in my eyes |
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| I just find it annoying because I can't watch anime around other people without worrying about a random panty shot or something |
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| Blame Twitter for that, they recently discovered anime and can't stand a single boob window because they literally go apeshit lol. Imagine being scared of boobs. tbf, fanservice is alright as long as it's not invasive. |
| "We could make the world better, but it's easier to just shut our eyes." ~Blackwall |
| It's simple: Fanservice is a cheap trick to increase the Anime's audience. It adds nothing and appeals to one of the most basic instincts of human nature. It's like a clickbait. Or a sensationalist news channel. |
| Sexual content isn't bad. It just needs to be done tastefully, properly integrated into a story (Domestic Girlfriend, Scum's wish), or be so shamelessly over the top with it, that anyone who sat down for an episode can only blame themselves for choosing poorly (Interspecies reviewers, World's end harem, Redo of Healer). The issue only happens, when it's distracting from an otherwise serious story, in a really forced, unnatural way (Darling in the Franxx, Evangelion, Freezing). It's like poorly timed comic relief, it ruins the tension, and breaks immersion. |
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| It still is bad, adding it is stupid as fuck and makes no sense. |
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