Attack on Titan
| For me, personally and in my opinion, the series lost its charm and magic after the time-skip. Isayama made a risky move with the time-skip and personally i don't think it really worked in this particular case. Between this and the total change of setting and themes and everything, it just seems as it almost everything up to that point was kinda pointless and like a sort of prologue. I could've seen this working if the basement reveal had come much earlier in the story. Also I believe ending the story just at the point of the big twist would have been a masterful move, a total bleak and nihilistic ending which implied that no matter what they did, Paradis was doomed. I know this would've left plenty of unsolved mysteries, but it would've been a shocking and dark ending. |
| I know there are many people who liked the pre reveal arcs better but I think he did a good job overall, especially since everything was planned beforehand. |
| The reason why I love post time skip is exactly because its different from the earlier seasons . A lot of people tell that it lost its mystery but isn't that obvious ? of course it would lose its mystery when the truth is revealed . How is that criticism ? |
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shingojira-san said: The reason why I love post time skip is exactly because its different from the earlier seasons . A lot of people tell that it lost its mystery but isn't that obvious ? of course it would lose its mystery when the truth is revealed . How is that criticism ? because it's been the major thing since the beginning of the story, so personally it feels right to end the story shortly after it's been revealed. this is all personal preference of course, i like the twist, but not so much how it's been handled. |
| They're the best arcs of the series Nordaviento said: Can't say I'd have been a fan of this ^Also I believe ending the story just at the point of the big twist would have been a masterful move, a total bleak and nihilistic ending which implied that no matter what they did, Paradis was doomed. I know this would've left plenty of unsolved mysteries, but it would've been a shocking and dark ending. Nordaviento said: The thing I liked about the post-basement arcs is that they were done while keeping the story to its core themes. That war is tragic and that being born into the world is specialtotal change of themes |
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| I liked them for the same reasons you disliked them. The change in tone after the basement reveal and in this resulting the missing mystery aspect were obvious cuz there just is no mystery anymore except the motivations of certain characters. I don't think it makes the pre-timeskip arcs pointless since they are important to know the characters and how it came to all of this. If we wouldn't have had them we would've got all the important info through innumerable flashbacks, the feeling wouldn't have been the same and I don't know if I would've liked it. |
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| For me, the post-time skip is on another level in every department. The writing, the characters, the plot, the setting, everything. Even mystery hasn't been lost to me. It just changed from what's in the basement to what's in Eren's head. |
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| I don't really have a problem with the post-basement arcs, my main gripe however is that Ishiyama seems to be rushing towards the ending way too fast. Everything seems really convenient and characters die just to die. Compared to the long setup, these arcs feel very rushed. |
| Chapters 71-123 are the best string of chapters in manga history, so that’s what I think. Let’s see if Isayama does his magic again with the ending. |
Repity said: The Rumbling arc has such weird pacing. Some chapters feel like nothing has happened, but in chapters when things do happen, they seem to be resolved so quickly. Some chapters are great so the arc isn't bad in my opinion, but I see how many could be frustrated. i agree with this, i loved the first couple of chapters of the rumbling but after that... i don't know, i feel as if the tension disappeared and the pacing was all over the place. _hachi8man said: The post basement stuff is the best. Hownit shifted from a casual shounen or let's say a shounen series to such a political series and how it developed from hype Titan fights to something so unique and unexpected. It really changed it's way and begin asking questions from the Viewers about what is right and what is wrong. For me post basement were something else and blew my mind. Main thing was it made me think about war and political stuff and why war leads to nothing and what it means to be human and how every side has it's own story and why no one right and no one is wrong. Everyone is just a human. i mean, i get why some people like post-basement the most just because of those themes, but i dunno, i'm already used to seinen/war/psychological themes so it's not like these arcs made me see stuff in a new way. i like a lot of different anime/manga and for different reasons, i really liked SnK's dark twist on the shonen genre pre-reveal. still i've come this far so obviously i'm ending the ride along with everyone |
| Pre-basement for me. I miss those corps that getting eaten. |
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| I think the timeskip was kinda alienating at first(which is a bigger problem in the anime) but i started getting invested again by the middle of marley arc and as much flaws the last arc has i still think it has some of the best chapters in the whole manga and overall i found it just as if not more entertaining than the basement arc. |
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| I have the same problem. The show lost most of its charm for me with the basement reveal and the arcs that followed. Personally I loved the setup that all that was left of humanity was stuck behind these walls and they desperately were fighting for survival and freedom while society inside was beginning to fracture. The fact that those titans were in fact humans that had changed made it truly fascinating and I constantly wondered what triggered the change. I kept on reading for a while after the basement reveal but really didn't like the direction of the show because the storyline was nothing truly special anymore. Just two human nations fighting each other. I stopped reading a while ago and now only read the threads here to see what's going on though I do have to admit that I like the idea that this manga won't have a happy ending at all and that everything was basically futile. I know that seems mean but the movie "The Mist" also got a lot better because of the changed and seriously mean ending. It was painful and I loved it for it. Stories such as SnK simply do not deserve happy endings. |
| It was inevitable AoT would lose its original "charm" at a certain point like any long-running series and there is nothing wrong with it. The problem was Isayama's lack of ability to replace it with a different kind of charm and build a similar yet fresh identity around new plot elements. In my opinion, the basement reveal was the best thing he has done and his post-time skip ideas were promising as well. The execution of those ideas was the problem. Unfitting fanservice, comic reliefs, unnecessary edginess, can't killing of characters, can't concluding arcs, plotholes and many more issues were extremely prevalent after time-skip. He seemed very lost to me. Maybe he was afraid of going to an extremely dark route the story desperately needed, who knows. |
SirTristram said: finally you are here not your fan lol.It was inevitable AoT would lose its original "charm" at a certain point like any long-running series and there is nothing wrong with it. The problem was Isayama's lack of ability to replace it with a different kind of charm and build a similar yet fresh identity around new plot elements. In my opinion, the basement reveal was the best thing he has done and his post-time skip ideas were promising as well. The execution of those ideas was the problem. Unfitting fanservice, comic reliefs, unnecessary edginess, can't killing of characters, can't concluding arcs, plotholes and many more issues were extremely prevalent after time-skip. He seemed very lost to me. Maybe he was afraid of going to an extremely dark route the story desperately needed, who knows. |
| "I think I wanted to attack something. Like betraying people or hurting people. And, well, it's not exactly nice, but hurting the readers too... In all honestly, I feel that's what I really wanted to do. For me, as a reader, when I think, "this manga will remain in my heart," it means, for example, it phenomenally hurt me: It's those kinds of experiences I'm after." - Pajime Hisayama (My favourite hurting author). |
| Dialogues are better, and so is the quality of storytelling, until chapter 121. But tbh, for me, they still don't compensate for the mystery and suspense aspects, which I still think are the best AoT has in its store. I mean, if I was to delve myself into a political drama, I would choose to read/watch stuff like LoGH, Sanctuary, Vinland Saga, etc. Since they are much better at it than AoT. |
| "Life is too bitter, so coffee, at least should be sweet..." - Hikigaya Hachiman (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatte Iru) |
ezaya said: Pre-basement for me. I miss those corps that getting eaten. Same. Remember back when the show was just about fighting titans? Ahhh Nostalgia. Those were the good ole times. Post-basement arcs definitely lost its charm and mystery. AOT as whole shifted in a much different direction/trajectory. |
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| People claiming it "lost it's mystery" yet no one can give a solid prediction on what will happen in the ending even tho the penultimate chapter came out |
| I think it's very good and I don't have issues with it |
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| post-basement arcs are the best and worst AOT has to offer. WFP is Isayama at his best, and Rumbling is Isayama at his worst. Marley 9/10 WFP 10/10 Rumbling 6/10 |
| Post-basement is easily superior in terms of writing, pretty much most of my favorite moments in AOT are in the late arcs. I can understand some people not liking it due to sudden shift in tone, but for me thats what makes it so interesting. The series became unpredictable in a good way. |
| Ever since they took down King Reiss something felt off. There was just so much potential there, with Eren-tachi fighting with and escaping from their own government. The beginning led me to believe they were the final enemy, such as when they sacrificed a great number of people after the initial wall attack. I also liked the post-apocalyptic setting of the humanity being on the verge of extinction due to unbeatable titans, with the elite & the military police only complicating things further, being final enemy material. Not only is the mystery long gone, but also great people that we will never see again that added so much to the world, such as Eren’s Mom, Levi’s squad, Mike, Erwin Smith, Grisha, Bertholt, Hannes, etc. Armin really should have been sacrificed. |
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| It's good but yeah that's just it, good |
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