| First off, w h a t ? Second off, his revenge IS his sense of justice. It's perverted from acceptable justice, but he still has rules on his revenge. And that includes harm done against those he cares for. Even the most fucked-up people still have those they care for with a pure view. That obviously includes his (foster?) mother-figure. So no, just because he cares about someone doesn't mean he's "soft" or not deranged. He's still human, and honestly some of the worst (intentionally or unintentionally) people can have the purest love for people from their past. It's usually their downfall, as the fear of losing someone they care about socially or physically almost always overpower their deranged activity. TL;DR: No. I like how it shows he's still human, even as a scummy character. Means he's not a flat, boring character and that he has more than one motive for his actions. |
| Yeep, they probably want you to like him, this don't seems like the kinda of show that would actually want to devolp very deep tougths about the complications of revange, and stuff... |
| heh. |
| He's always been somewhat sympathetic imo. Not just this episode - I mean the way he treats Setsuna for example. Also he keeps mentioning he's got his own rules regarding the revenge. Just like saving the village Setsuna comes from, it's only naural to want to save his own village too. Nothing here is out of character. He's consistent. In this episode he may have been more like an angsty teenager like you said lol, but I guess this episode his personality was less "insane" and more just sad because of what happened to Anna. |
| You were always supposed to be sympathetic to him, even if he's obviously just as deranged as his captors. They raped/tortured him first, he's just evening the score, right? Sure, any rational human being can see that he isn't the "good guy" in this story, but he's still the protagonist, and you have to root for someone in this dumpster fire of a show, so he's the best choice you've got. The premise of the show kind of relies on the fact that the viewer gets satisfaction from watching these cartoonish evil villains get their just desserts. What you're describing is far too intelligent for the likes of this show. |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
Lyree said: He's always been somewhat sympathetic imo. Not just this episode - I mean the way he treats Setsuna for example. Suck my dick if you want your friends and family to live? Constantly infantilizing her with head pats? I don't even know if we are supposed to think of her as a slave, Keyaru certainly thinks of girls with him as his property? LostSpectre said: You were always supposed to be sympathetic to him, even if he's obviously just as deranged as his captors. They raped/tortured him first, he's just evening the score, right? Sure, any rational human being can see that he isn't the "good guy" in this story, but he's still the protagonist, and you have to root for someone in this dumpster fire of a show, so he's the best choice you've got. The premise of the show kind of relies on the fact that the viewer gets satisfaction from watching these cartoonish evil villains get their just desserts. What you're describing is far too intelligent for the likes of this show. Speaks a lot to shitty writing how confused people get about this. I think the appeal of the show sits more in the 'If I had Keyaru's power, what would I do?' camp. |
GreenPlatinum said: Lyree said: He's always been somewhat sympathetic imo. Not just this episode - I mean the way he treats Setsuna for example. Suck my dick if you want your friends and family to live? Constantly infantilizing her with head pats? I don't even know if we are supposed to think of her as a slave, Keyaru certainly thinks of girls with him as his property? LostSpectre said: You were always supposed to be sympathetic to him, even if he's obviously just as deranged as his captors. They raped/tortured him first, he's just evening the score, right? Sure, any rational human being can see that he isn't the "good guy" in this story, but he's still the protagonist, and you have to root for someone in this dumpster fire of a show, so he's the best choice you've got. The premise of the show kind of relies on the fact that the viewer gets satisfaction from watching these cartoonish evil villains get their just desserts. What you're describing is far too intelligent for the likes of this show. Speaks a lot to shitty writing how confused people get about this. I think the appeal of the show sits more in the 'If I had Keyaru's power, what would I do?' camp. As a slave put for sale she got a better life than most possible buyers would offer her. What's wrong with headpats? It's not infantilising her. She likes that. Dick sucking helps her limit break sort of so :P she also sees him as her savior now so she won't have anything against such stuff. He calls them his property but he's taking good care of them (you could argue about that if It were irl but it's a cartoon and these cartoon charscters are satisfied being treated this way :p) |
Lyree said: GreenPlatinum said: Suck my dick if you want your friends and family to live? Constantly infantilizing her with head pats? I don't even know if we are supposed to think of her as a slave, Keyaru certainly thinks of girls with him as his property? Speaks a lot to shitty writing how confused people get about this. I think the appeal of the show sits more in the 'If I had Keyaru's power, what would I do?' camp. As a slave put for sale she got a better life than most possible buyers would offer her. What's wrong with headpats? It's not infantilising her. She likes that. Dick sucking helps her limit break sort of so :P she also sees him as her savior now so she won't have anything against such stuff. He calls them his property but he's taking good care of them (you could argue about that if It were irl but it's a cartoon and these cartoon charscters are satisfied being treated this way :p) I how you know slavery would still be wrong if every single master treated their slaves with kindness and respect right? An institution built on enslaving and striping people of agency is inherently immoral. If argument boils down to Keyaru's a good guy because he treats his companions as pets you've got a long way to go. Poopie123 said: GreenPlatinum said: Suck my dick if you want your friends and family to live? Constantly infantilizing her with head pats? I don't even know if we are supposed to think of her as a slave, Keyaru certainly thinks of girls with him as his property? Well if the condition to activate such powers requires it then sure. One might aswell enjoy the situation. If it's an extension of manipulation to satisfy a hidden agenda that's not related and not an inherent condition to save my family and friends then no. I mean are we purposely ignoring the central settings of why there is so much h-scenes now? We get litterally a h-scene each episodes because they are using the sex to level up and get stronger, a dumb settings and one could question if it's necessary for them to animate each sex scene but that's beside the point. Setsuna was a weak slave before encountering Keyaru and had a level capped at 7, having multiple times sex with Keyaru increased that to about 22 I guess and will be continued on their spare time. You can view Setsuna for anything you want if that makes a difference to you. The world takes place what seems to be a medieval settings or simply another world than ours where it's the norm to posses slaves. That said it's not unusual for people to posses slaves in a different era or world from us so I don't get the idea of why you are trying to bend the morals of their society to ours. Anyone here who'd get teleported back 1000 years in our society would probably have to adapt to the norms back then that we would consider to be "sick" to simply survive and integrate with the society, unless you want to be an outcast or worse killed on the spot. Once again in-universe explanations don't justify creepy bullshit. Realism doesn't matter because the author is infinitely mutable. If I made a story where the protagonist got his powers from burning down orphanages it would be fair game to criticize such a stupid story element. |
| I pretty liked his decision on the last episode. The bad guy deserved it totally, no matter what your view of justice is. You reap what you sow. We do not have enough anime like that. Where the protagonist is actually an average perso who actually find a way to get out of this mess and say "no, fuck you, im getting revenge, you guys go to hell" I am very very annoyed by the easy justice they show in every other anime. The hero come at the super ultimate villain who killed thousands of innocents peoples (off-screen obviously but is was done) and then he retract the knife and just say "He is not worth the blood on my hand" YES HE IS. Don't joke about that. As a person with a strong definition of justice, and seeing how pretty much every big villain in animation do not ever get what they deserves, i am pretty satisfied with the fact that at least this show have the guts to put it on screen. And i am really satisfied that he still want to protect the people he loves and who raised him. I would do something similar in his place. Maybe not the same thing but nonetheless cruel believe me. |
literaturenerd said: I don't care about the morality. I care about interesting character writing. Fairly few anime actually pull the trigger and have a villain protagonist. It happens so rarely in media that sometimes people forget that protagonist does NOT mean hero, nor do we actually have to like the protagonist or root for them! Just because Light Yagami or Eren Yeager are the main characters doesn't mean that we're supposed to root for them or that they represent the viewpoints of the author. When you read Lolita, you aren't supposed to think Humbert is a nice man or bend over backwards to try excuse his actions. Even though none of the characters are likeable, it's an interesting story and the book is well written. Of course, Redo of Healer will NEVER be well written, but it could have at least been a subversive dark comedy that we could hold up as a superior version of Shield Hero. It is certainly no dark comedy, because that would mean the show was intentionally being funny, and it isn't, it seems to have no concept of just how utterly ridiculous it is. But, that doesn't stop me from laughing my ass off through basically every torture scene or fucked up moment there is. The dialogue is so bad you would almost think it has to be an abridged version in many parts. it would be cooler if he was just a pure psychopath, but then I wouldn't be able to witness the sheer hilarity of a man crying while in the middle of vigorously fucking two girls, either, so everything has a silver lining. |
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choochootrain1 said: @LostSpectre You should read the manga, that version really does feel like a dark comedy. Especially parts like how he defeats the Sword Hero. The point is that it isn't intentional, right? It certainly feels that way in the anime too, because it's a tone deaf train wreck. |
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choochootrain1 said: LostSpectre said: Some parts definitely are, though the anime seems to be a bit more “serious” than the manga and novel.The point is that it isn't intentional, right? It certainly feels that way in the anime too LostSpectre said: Cringe buzzword.tone deaf If that's supposed to be "more" serious, yikes. Don't know how that's a buzzword when it seems accurate, but whatever. |
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choochootrain1 said: @LostSpectre I dunno, the anime has been taking a bit of a more serious approach than the manga. The events of the newest episode were funnier in the manga. You convinced me, I'll check it out, because the anime is hilarious as it is. |
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choochootrain1 said: LostSpectre said: The ridiculous faces they constantly make is one of the best parts imo, wish the anime had a bit more.You convinced me, I'll check it out, because the anime is hilarious as it is. Yeah, I'm getting the opposite vibe here, the faces are absurd, but this feels watered down and like it is taking the story more seriously. |
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choochootrain1 said: LostSpectre said: Hard disagree, but it can’t be helped I suppose.but this feels watered down and like it is taking the story more seriously. There's more explanation, less nudity, and less crazy moments, seems like a safe conclusion to me. |
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choochootrain1 said: LostSpectre said: The first few chapters do have a good amount of exposition, I guess.There's more explanation, less nudity, and less crazy moments, seems like a safe conclusion to me. Leaving aside how you have full blown rape, but excessive nudity would be crossing the line, they completely skipped that hilarious shit with the Blade chick making out with Keyaru because his tongue had been all up in Flare's business, and I think there wasn't the scene with Bullet either where he tried to strangle him to death in order to preserve his youth. I found myself actually taking their story a tiny bit seriously because it was less batshit insane. lol |
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choochootrain1 said: I assume that the anime is more faithful to the LN, then, because isn't that supposed to be completely shameless? I sort of get what you mean, like with him in the forest eating poisonous mushrooms and shit, but then I'm also finding a lot of comedy missing from the more completely absurd moments. I would probably find it funnier in anime form even if both versions were nearly identical, anyway. @LostSpectre I think it’s more that the anime just went full pornographic there, whereas the manga kinda just skimmed through it. I think Keyaru’s character comes across as a little bit more goofy in the manga, though the manga does a better job explaining things at the beginning. |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
| I haven't seen the anime yet, I used to read the web novel translations and it's way ahead of where the manga is at. The manga's releases are too freaking slow, I'm not sure if it's biweekly or monthly. The anime doesn't look like it's going to cover much. |
literaturenerd said: My favorite aspect of Redo of Healer was the fact that Keyaruga was NOT portrayed as a hero. He's a broken man who has been drugged, raped, and tortured to insanity and now exists solely to inflict suffering on his enemies. Here he said "I'm willing to risk my life to save those people because they're from my village". Um....what? Did we forget which character we were writing? This isn't Shield Hero! I don't want to watch an angry, edgy, incel power fantasy about an loathsome little shit I'm supposed to actually like. I want to watch a demented porn parody of Shield Hero in which Kefka from FF6 goes around raping people, poisoning villages, and slapping people in the face with his dick. That would actually funny and worth watching! Redo of Healer works as a dark comedy in which Keyaruga shifts from chaotic evil to occasionally chaotic neutral. In this episode it took a step towards making Keyaruga a supposedly sympathetic hero, which just makes this Shield Hero with slightly more sex and nudity. I have no problem with this at all. His grudge was against the people of the kingdom and its corruption, not the villagers he grew up knowing. |
choochootrain1 said: JCDRANZER said: I think it’s biweekly. The anime will cover about 3 volumes of the novel.I haven't seen the anime yet, I used to read the web novel translations and it's way ahead of where the manga is at. The manga's releases are too freaking slow, I'm not sure if it's biweekly or monthly. The anime doesn't look like it's going to cover much. |
| This episode just shows he wanted to save them on a whim, then changed his mind and quickly used them to justify massacring the guards. It isn't a hero moment. He just does what he wants. And he usually doesn't want to harm someone that is not a possible target of his revenge. |
| bruh |
| Tbh i knida agree but still he did it as with his old face or old self i believe that has some significance over his actions, but once he goes back to keyaruga's face He does the deed i don't have to explain any further |
| Waiting for the stone ocean 3 anime |
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