Should lolicon be banned?
Yes
35.4%
46
No
64.6%
84
130 votes
| To be clear, I am referring to artistic representations, not actual material. Personally, I don't think so. For one I believe censorship is never the right thing to do when addressing anything, people should own the right to express themselves. Since there is no harm in the material, I don't see an issue with depicting that type of behavior. In fact it could actually be beneficial. From my perspective, people who are into that stuff may vent their urges on the artistic material instead of harming people nearby. Now one could argue that it would have the opposite effect, but that is up for debate. |
| Where should I watch my Shoujou Ramune from then:( |
| شقایق، اینجا من، خیلی غریبم |
| Should violent games be banned? No? Cuz it’s not real? Ok. You got your answer. |
| It's a drawing, not real life. So no. |
 _______I like rocks__  |
| Should they also ban big titty pictures of captain marvel and all those other aids characters because people bitch about them? |
 |
| We should ban all artistic depictions of violence too right? Violence is illegal and hurts people. Lol. |
  ♡ Harder Daddy ♡ |
| By the way, people here are indirectly saying a child's tits are okay to look at if they're animated. What a world we live in. And I guess some are the same people to hate furries, but drawings of young nude children? Oh, that's a thing that's okay for them. Whose fault is it, the paedophile or the child? The former. Who cares if it's a real child or not, they weren't at fault: the paedophile, however, is, and they're not the animated ones but the ones watching the show and getting off on it. Punishment is still a plausible thing, if more lenient but still punishment. And yeah they probably do flirt with young teenage girls in secret considering the number of females on MAL that have mentioned their disgust. What's to say that lolicons don't fap to children? The second a kid says hello to them they'll probably jack off to both a child and animation. Congrats, you solved the problem. Who likes violence in games? A normal, average, healthy human being. They won't go stabbing anyone. Now, who likes seeing a little girl show her genitals (but dw it's animated)? This 'person'. Nobody else. And they like to masturbate to it. What the actual fuck are we trying to defend? |
BunilleNov 17, 2020 11:46 AM
 |
| Can't believe we live in a time when we have to get loli and shota porn legalized. It's not real. It's an idea, yet it's illegal. Most of the big western "hentai" sites like Hentai-Foundry and Rule34 don't even allow it anymore, because they're so cautious of getting in trouble I guess. You still see it on Rule34 sometimes, but you see just as many removed because they were flagged. |
Hillary_Clinton_ said: _Nette_ said: We should ban all artistic depictions of violence too right? Violence is illegal and hurts people. Lol. The audience for violent films isn't proven to bleed over into the audience for, say, snuff films/ISIS beheading videos. On the other hand, there is an obvious overlap between consumers of loli & consumers of actual cp. So your analogy is disingenuous. Violent TV shows and movies don't generate a demand for snuff films. Remember I am the person here who isn't thinking of loli artwork and going "That's like a real child". |
♡ Harder Daddy ♡ |
| Is Lain's ending theme lolicon? How specific are we going? |
 |
Hillary_Clinton_ said: Insult a judge in their own courtroom. What a dumb comparison. Ezekiel said: Can't believe we live in a time when we have to get loli and shota porn legalized. It's not real. It's an idea, yet it's illegal. Language isn't "real," it's totally socially constructed, but if you go to court and tell the judge to stick a carrot up his ass, he'll put you in jail for a week in contempt of court. As a culture we've agreed that we invest some degree of meaning into abstractions and social constructs. Society reaching a consensus on certain things is important because it gives us a shared framework with which we can understand each other. So the "right" of some rando to opt out of that agreement is much less important than the general integrity of the agreement. |
Kayle_x_Morgana said: Should they also ban big titty pictures of captain marvel and all those other aids characters because people bitch about them? Well captain marvel isn't a child so it's not the same is it. Yes it should be banned if it's sexually explicit. |
| I've been here way too long... |
| Lain isn't a loli. She's fourteen years old. |
| No, higurashi and made in abyss has violence on minors should that get banned as well? where does this ban end and art begin? if a private platform doesn't want to host a show they don't have to, but to stop them form making the art shouldn't be legal. are we going to ban NTR as well (that is generally dislike as well and i'm no fan of it either, but i just choose to not watch it same with other stuff i dislike like r*pe and vore.) and as some people pointed out there are plenty of big titty anime girls who are also minors and there are petite girls who are adults so where exactly do you determine whats what with animation? for example i can understand realistic 3d animations being an issue(like with the real models used to make the new Resident evil games.), but not non realistic animations like anime styled stuff. |
is 14 and still not legal by U,S laws.
this one is 28 legally and adult.GrimAtramentNov 17, 2020 12:27 PM
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus  |
Oeufhbpi said: I don't really know but If it saves a pedophile from viewing actual child pornography, isn't it a better alternative ? Seems like the same situation as legalizing drugs and prostitution. It becomes a cleaner alternative to an inevitability. Ezekiel said: Lain isn't a loli. She's fourteen years old. Lolicon is all in the looks. To judge a fictional character by their age would bring up no more than the loophole of thousand-year-old dragons. |
|
| No. First off what is and is not a loli or shouta is extremely vague so you basically would be just calling to an end to nearly all hentai in effect. It also is a waste of time and resources to go after artists which is something only the most oppressive governments do. Artistic freedom of a human right. Resources are better spent on reality not fiction. Also there is no universal purpose to lolicon/shoutacon. Some of it is actually used to merely portray a reality and produce a narrative against exploitation of children or has no explicit narrative but merely has people ask questions to themselves. Other times is just nudity and nudity is not inherently sexual in nature. Even when it is for sexual stimulation most people that like it for that only do because they like petite body types or emotional attachment to a specific character regardless of appearances. So banning it would just be promoting body shaming and kink shaming. In other words for example promoting the idea that you aren't a real woman unless you have long legs, lots of feminine curves and massive tits and anything else is "unacceptable" and "disgusting" and that you aren't a real man unless you have big manly muscles, facial hair and a big dick and anything else is "unacceptable" and "disgusting". Before I carry on I would like to clarify to the uninformed and misinformed there is a distinction between pedophilia and sexual assaulters of children. Pedophilia is classified as a mental illness that is in the most psychologically accepted definitely solely defined by sexual attraction to prepubescent children (about 11 and below) and psychologists have a consensus that attraction to about mid teens and up is not pedophilia and not a mental illness. Most sexual assaulters of children are not attracted to their victims but rather either were acting on their victim's vulnerability and/or were using sexual violence as a means of power and control over their victim. I also need to highlight thoughts of a sexual nature revolving around children don't always mean someone has pedophilia. Intrusive thoughts are something that occurs in various other mental illnesses for some people such as OCD. To vilify sexual thoughts of children is to vilify the mentally ill and to deny the distinction between thought and action. To deny distinction of thought and action means everyone is guilty of a thought crime. Almost everyone has had thoughts of harming someone in one way or another or otherwise had thought of something else of a illegal nature. Even in the instances where someone has an attraction to real children or has thoughts of taking advantage of a real person of any age there is no scientific evidence that lolicon or shoutacon encourages acts on real children more than it can act as an outlet. If anything there is more evidence for it potentially reducing sexual abuse. So at worst it is neutrally impactful. I've even spoken to girls that were sexually assaulted as kids that are pro lolicon. |
| ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⣸⠋⠀⠀⠀⡄⠀⠀⡔⠀⢀⠀⢸⠀⠀⠀⡘⡰⠁⠘⡀⠀⠀⢠⠀⠀⠀⢸⠀⠀⢸⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠁⠀⣀⠀⠀⡇⠀⡜⠈⠁⠀⢸⡈⢇⠀⠀⢣⠑⠢⢄⣇⠀⠀⠸⠀⠀⠀⢸⠀⠀⢸⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⢰⡟⡀⠀⡇⡜⠀⠀⠀⠀⠘⡇⠈⢆⢰⠁⠀⠀⠀⠘⣆⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠸⠀⠀⡄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠤⢄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⡼⠀⣧⠀⢿⢠⣤⣤⣬⣥⠀⠁⠀⠀⠛⢀⡒⠀⠀⠀⠘⡆⡆⠀⠀⠀⡇⠀⠀⠇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⢵⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⡰⠀⢠⠃⠱⣼⡀⣀⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⠛⠳⠶⠶⠆⡸⢀⡀⣀⢰⠀⠀⢸ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⣀⣀⣀⠄⠀⠉⠁⠀⠀⢠⠃⢀⠎⠀⠀⣼⠋⠉⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠴⠢⢄⡔⣕⡍⠣⣱⢸⠀⠀⢷⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⡰⠃⢀⠎⠀⠀⡜⡨⢢⡀⠀⠀⠀⠐⣄⠀⠀⣠⠀⠀⠀⠐⢛⠽⠗⠁⠀⠁⠊⠀⡜⠸⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⢀⠔⣁⡴⠃⠀⡠⡪⠊⣠⣾⣟⣷⡦⠤⣀⡈⠁⠉⢀⣀⡠⢔⠊⠁⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⡤⡗⢀⠇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⢀⣠⠴⢑⡨⠊⡀⠤⠚⢉⣴⣾⣿⡿⣾⣿⡇⠀⠹⣻⠛⠉⠉⢀⠠⠺⠀⠀⡀⢄⣴⣾⣧⣞⠀⡜⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠐⠒⣉⠠⠄⡂⠅⠊⠁⠀⠀⣴⣿⣿⣿⣿⣻⣿⣿⡇⠀⠀⢠⣷⣮⡍⡠⠔⢉⡇⡠⠋⠁⠀⣿⣿⣿⣿⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀ |
| I feel as if there would be more pedophile cases if they aren't resorting to loliconng, so I think it is fine. |
 |
Bunille said: Those are baseless, yet highly detailed accusations you're tossing around to rationalize your otherwise irrational hatred for lolis. I wonder what your source of inspiration is for that vivid imagination.By the way, people here are indirectly saying a child's tits are okay to look at if they're animated. What a world we live in. And I guess some are the same people to hate furries, but drawings of young nude children? Oh, that's a thing that's okay for them. Whose fault is it, the paedophile or the child? The former. Who cares if it's a real child or not, they weren't at fault: the paedophile, however, is, and they're not the animated ones but the ones watching the show and getting off on it. Punishment is still a plausible thing, if more lenient but still punishment. And yeah they probably do flirt with young teenage girls in secret considering the number of females on MAL that have mentioned their disgust. What's to say that lolicons don't fap to children? The second a kid says hello to them they'll probably jack off to both a child and animation. Congrats, you solved the problem. Who likes violence in games? A normal, average, healthy human being. They won't go stabbing anyone. Now, who likes seeing a little girl show her genitals (but dw it's animated)? This 'person'. Nobody else. And they like to masturbate to it. What the actual fuck are we trying to defend? Oh and you go ahead and keep pretending that thousands of years of human fascination with killing & war have nothing to do with the appeal of violent video games. |
 |
| That depends on how you define a "loli". |
| can dis sig fit |
traed said: No. First off what is and is not a loli or shouta is extremely vague so you basically would be just calling to an end to nearly all hentai in effect. It also is a waste of time and resources to go after artists which is something only the most oppressive governments do. Artistic freedom of a human right. Resources are better spent on reality not fiction. Also there is no universal purpose to lolicon/shoutacon. Some of it is actually used to merely portray a reality and produce a narrative against exploitation of children or has no explicit narrative but merely has people ask questions to themselves. Other times is just nudity and nudity is not inherently sexual in nature. Even when it is for sexual stimulation most people that like it for that only do because they like petite body types or emotional attachment to a specific character regardless of appearances. So banning it would just be promoting body shaming and kink shaming. In other words for example promoting the idea that you aren't a real woman unless you have long legs, lots of feminine curves and massive tits and anything else is "unacceptable" and "disgusting" and that you aren't a real man unless you have big manly muscles, facial hair and a big dick and anything else is "unacceptable" and "disgusting". Before I carry on I would like to clarify to the uninformed and misinformed there is a distinction between pedophilia and sexual assaulters of children. Pedophilia is classified as a mental illness that is in the most psychologically accepted definitely solely defined by sexual attraction to prepubescent children (about 11 and below) and psychologists have a consensus that attraction to about mid teens and up is not pedophilia and not a mental illness. Most sexual assaulters of children are not attracted to their victims but rather either were acting on their victim's vulnerability and/or were using sexual violence as a means of power and control over their victim. I also need to highlight thoughts of a sexual nature revolving around children don't always mean someone has pedophilia. Intrusive thoughts are something that occurs in various other mental illnesses for some people such as OCD. To vilify sexual thoughts of children is to vilify the mentally ill and to deny the distinction between thought and action. To deny distinction of thought and action means everyone is guilty of a thought crime. Almost everyone has had thoughts of harming someone in one way or another or otherwise had thought of something else of a illegal nature. Even in the instances where someone has an attraction to real children or has thoughts of taking advantage of a real person of any age there is no scientific evidence that lolicon or shoutacon encourages acts on real children more than it can act as an outlet. If anything there is more evidence for it potentially reducing sexual abuse. So at worst it is neutrally impactful. I've even spoken to girls that were sexually assaulted as kids that are pro lolicon. use spacing in that wall of text you have at least 4 paragraphs. but ya the problem with especially 2d animation is where do we draw the line? It was this year alone that people were throwing outrage over uzaki chan for her design and calling it "pedo." despite the character having knockers that could literally cause asphyxiation if you got stuck in them. charater in question. if this can be called pedo(despite the character being 19-20 years of age.) almost every other ecchi anime can as well. take one of the most famous ecchi in modern times. To love ru the main female cahracter lala is 15 which again in many countries is illegal. where are we going to draw the line? at the age the creator says? what people think is under age? hieght? boob size? where are we to determine what is what? you can do it with 3d realistic models like again RE remakes that use actual real models and photos for it. because it has extremely detailed grounding in reality, but 2d animation isn't that simple. for example let me take a novel where there is no actual pictures (and not not the awful movie adaptation.) Artemis fowl has fairies that are describe in the book as being the size of children, but with adult proportions and (one character gets into a deep romantic relationship with the main character of the series.) again i can see this freaking people out, but is it bad or fine? because it doesn't have images? where are we drawing the line? |
GrimAtramentNov 17, 2020 1:59 PM
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
| @Bayek Uhhh I do not hate lolis. At all. You must've read what I wrote entirely wrong. I just do not obsess over them and dislike people who have a complex for them, alright? And yes, I hate lolicons. Just as much as you hate a particular group, but you're probably more phobic with that because I would assume it'd be something completely legal. One: I am talking about actual children in comparison to lolis (only in hentai). Two: I hate people who take advantage of people... why are you reading it so incorrectly? And are you going to respond on why it's baseless or add some yourself instead of just insulting me? I'm not here to write an article, I'm here to express and that's it. I don't see how I'm making anything up when this is just an opinion. I'm on nobody's side here, I'd like to let you know that. And what? Why are you comparing war to video games? Are you saying that violent wars are actually the cause of violent games, and therefore people are violent because of them? My comment was just a comment, it's not even something debatable but go on because you must be saying the truth here. All I mentioned was that violent games don't lead to killers, and you mention war? Um, nobody's being violent, nobody's fantasising about being violent. The game doesn't cause someone's lack of empathy, and it isn't a way for them to release what would otherwise be done to the public. People kill even when violent games exist. It won't stop anything. But let's stop comparing something that everyone watches but won't do to something criminal that the vast majority of people don't watch or do. I'll take "highly detailed" and "vivid imagination" as compliments even though they are probably not. Oh, I see, you're a politics person. I guess I should not speak from now on... lots of bias around there. |
BunilleNov 17, 2020 4:07 PM
|
Bunille said: Yeah, you stated an opinion on a forum where the whole point is discourse. Most of your assertions were largely specified conjecture that might be anecdotally relevant to you, but aren't based in any actual study or factual findings. You can't prove that lolicon leads to guys harassing teenage girls online, etc etc. I'm not insulting you, merely finding it curious that this was your major takeaway when people say they don't want the government to legislate morality concerning art.@Bayek uhhh I do not hate lolis. You must've read what I wrote entirely wrong. I just do not obsess over them and dislike people who have a complex for them, alright? One: I am talking about actual children in comparison to lolis. Two: I hate people who take advantage of people... why are you reading it so incorrectly? And are you going to respond on why it's baseless or add some yourself instead of just insulting me? I'm not here to write an article, I'm here to express and that's it. I don't see how I'm making anything up when this is just an opinion. I'm on nobody's side here, I'd like to let you know that. And what? Why are you comparing war to video games? Are you saying that violent games are actually the cause of violence, and therefore people are violent because of them? My comment was just a comment, it's not even something debatable but go on because you must be saying the truth here. All I mentioned was that violent games don't lead to killers, and you mention war? I'll take "highly detailed" and "vivid imagination" as compliments even though they are probably not. Oh, I see, you're a politics person. I guess I should not speak from now on... lots of bias around there. The point I'm making about video games is that they're violent because humans are violent. They don't cause violence necessarily - rather they're simply expressions of our inherent affinity towards those impulses & instincts. There's a reason why people would rather play games like Call of Duty where the express goal is to slaughter your enemy in war as opposed to shooting rainbows & flowers that tickle them. Furthermore, your point that "video games don't lead to killers" can also be said about hentai. There's no evidence that lolicon itself leads to pedophilia. When you use my posting history to dismiss me, I wonder who's insulting whom at this point. |
|
| Loli, shota material is weird but I don't think it needs to be banned |
| 한 번만 살지만 제대로 하면 한 번이면 충분해요 |
Bayek said: Yeah, you stated an opinion on a forum where the whole point is discourse. Most of your assertions were largely specified conjecture that might be anecdotally relevant to you, but aren't based in any actual study or factual findings. You can't prove that lolicon leads to guys harassing teenage girls online, etc etc. I'm not insulting you, merely finding it curious that this was your major takeaway when people say they don't want the government to legislate morality concerning art. The point I'm making about video games is that they're violent because humans are violent. They don't cause violence necessarily - rather they're simply expressions of our inherent affinity towards those impulses & instincts. There's a reason why people would rather play games like Call of Duty where the express goal is to slaughter your enemy in war as opposed to shooting rainbows & flowers that tickle them. Furthermore, your point that "video games don't lead to killers" can also be said about hentai. There's no evidence that lolicon itself leads to pedophilia. When you use my posting history to dismiss me, I wonder who's insulting whom at this point. I'm pretty sure 99% of everything on MAL is a bunch of conjecture. MAL isn't actually for discourse. It can be for discussion or communication without any negativity, as well. Art, art... so you're okay with bestiality? Where are your PhD findings, wise sir? You keep on saying I'm not being factual with something opinionated, so how about you tell me something factual about this? Actually, I can. Who's more likely to flirt with an underaged girl: someone who is into the material or someone who isn't? It's quite an obvious answer because the latter cannot fathom it. It's not a guarantee but it definitely is close, and so far closer than if they weren't into it. I was going to mention COD. Yes, totally the game that told everyone that every single person on this planet is supposed to be violent. The thing is, the world is a pretty chill place and you're more likely to go to a shop and have a good time instead of the chance of being beaten up. Also, not everyone plays FPS and not everyone plays violent games. Animal Crossing is extremely popular and there's minimal to no violence. Not everyone is power-hungry and it isn't in "human nature" to be into violent things, only to self-defend, and you can do that without injury. No, a lot of AC fans don't even play violent games at all. And... going back to child- Wait that's not human nature. As I edited in my comment above: Violence is something that everyone watches but won't do, and loli hentai is something criminal that the vast majority of people don't watch or do. No, we won't compare something stupid together anymore. I just know who to not converse often with and it's good to know that now. And funny thing is, I never insulted you until then, whereas you insulted me throughout and still wrote an entire paragraph saying how I'm writing my opinion without facts... because well, yes, that's what an opinion is and people have seen different things and have different thoughts that they can say. Debates with me are pretty much only out of miscommunication if they go on: I'm actually very open unless I know you're unsafe to be around. |
|
| I have an issue with loli/shoto cons. Being attracted to something that is meant to look like a child is def weird. But I've also heard that loli/shota hentai can help pedos reduce their want to actually hurt a real child. In some kind of therapy I think it could work but outside of that it really doesn't sit right with me. Drawing cp has a law on it already. So ig it doesn't need to be banned but recognized as a sexual preference for children. I think being a loli con or shota con is kinda pedo like since you are attracted something that is meant to look like a kid and you're sexualizing it. Their age doesn't matter, it's the only excuse these people have. You're attracted to these "adults" because they look like fucking children. Please seek help for yourself and don't act on your urges. And if loli/shoto hentai is going to help you with that, it can't be the worst. But again please seek help you can't do this all by yourself |
 |
| Yes but its not something I'm going to enforce. |
| BANZAI NIPPON. Nippon is the Land of freedom. Nippon is the Land of Peace. Nippon is the Land of Justice and Prosperity. In Nippon, we trust. We love Nippon, we love Anime. Anime love us, Nippon love us. 日本 I believe in freedom of expression. |
| @bunille You seem quite adamant in your perspective on how pedophiles acts. I feel you need to have a level of openness when addressing these types of arguments. This may sound ridiculous, but you could have been born a pedophile, or gained an attraction to minors while changes were happening in the brain during adolescents. It is an innate sexual desire, nothing more, nothing less. People who then gain these desires must have a level of self-awareness when they are pleasuring them selves with the thought of these minors. In the same way that you can't change your attraction to someone, people handle this responsibility in different ways. If someone were to make advancements or groom a child into giving them sexual favors, they would be a criminal. If loli material can help them satisfy their urges, then no one gets hurt. It is quite literally the best possible solution. The way you address loli material assumes that the material leads to the people targeting real minors, which is not the artists fault at all. People have their own responsibilities, which means not raping people, minor or not. Pedophiles are normal people like you and me, but they need to act responsibly when they put someone else in danger. It's like if I were to go out to a pub and drug someone's drink to rape them, is the rape the alcohol's fault? Of course not, and neither is lolicon the fault of soliciting minors. Does any of this make any sense? |
Hillary_Clinton_ said: _Nette_ said: We should ban all artistic depictions of violence too right? Violence is illegal and hurts people. Lol. The audience for violent films isn't proven to bleed over into the audience for, say, snuff films/ISIS beheading videos. On the other hand, there is an obvious overlap between consumers of loli & consumers of actual cp. So your analogy is disingenuous. Violent TV shows and movies don't generate a demand for snuff films. Banning Loli isn't gonna make pedophiles less pedophiles. Bunille said: By the way, people here are indirectly saying a child's tits are okay to look at if they're animated. What a world we live in. And I guess some are the same people to hate furries, but drawings of young nude children? Oh, that's a thing that's okay for them. Whose fault is it, the paedophile or the child? The former. Who cares if it's a real child or not, they weren't at fault: the paedophile, however, is, and they're not the animated ones but the ones watching the show and getting off on it. Punishment is still a plausible thing, if more lenient but still punishment. And yeah they probably do flirt with young teenage girls in secret considering the number of females on MAL that have mentioned their disgust. What's to say that lolicons don't fap to children? The second a kid says hello to them they'll probably jack off to both a child and animation. Congrats, you solved the problem. Who likes violence in games? A normal, average, healthy human being. They won't go stabbing anyone. Now, who likes seeing a little girl show her genitals (but dw it's animated)? This 'person'. Nobody else. And they like to masturbate to it. What the actual fuck are we trying to defend?  Looking at "child" tits is not pedophilia. Can't believe I have to do this, every single time.  If the "child" has tits, then it's not a child anymore, it's a teenager. The distinction between a teenager and an adult is non existent from a biological point of view. Yes, it's perfectly normal for adults to find teenagers attractive, no it's not pedophilia. |
Only_BradNov 17, 2020 5:28 PM
| It's just fiction. The characters are fictional. Nobody is getting hurt unless it's a drawing of a real child. A lot of anti-lolisho fags need to switch their priorities to helping real kids, they don't have any moral high ground. |
Bunille said: Yet here you are, stirring up plenty of negativity with your loliphobia, something that is completely legal here in the US (to quote one of your several hundred edits).I'm this. I'm that. Yeah, keep on throwing words at me. I'm pretty sure 99% of everything on MAL is a bunch of conjecture. MAL isn't actually for discourse. It can be for discussion or communication without any negativity, as well. Art, art... so you're okay with bestiality? Sure, go for it.Where are your PhD findings, wise sir? You keep on saying I'm not being factual with something opinionated, so how about you tell me something factual about this? I don't have to provide evidence to prove a negative. The burden of proof lies on you to prove your assertion is true.Actually, I can. Who's more likely to flirt with an underaged girl: someone who is into the material or someone who isn't? It's quite an obvious answer because the latter cannot fathom it. It's not a guarantee but it definitely is close, and so far closer than if they weren't into it. Imagine thinking that someone can't fathom hitting on preteen girls just because he didn't watch Fate/kaleid.I was going to mention COD. Yes, totally the game that told everyone that every single person on this planet is supposed to be violent. The thing is, the world is a pretty chill place and you're more likely to go to a shop and have a good time instead of the chance of being beaten up. Also, not everyone plays FPS and not everyone plays violent games. Animal Crossing is extremely popular and there's minimal to no violence. Not everyone is power-hungry and it isn't in "human nature" to be into violent things, only to self-defend, and you can do that without injury. No, a lot of AC fans don't even play violent games at all. The world is pretty chill when you ignore thousands of years of war, gladiator death matches, spectacle beheadings, public executions and all of the fanciful methods of torture that have been devised to exceed human imagination. But go ahead and keep telling me you understand human nature because you went to a shop and played Animal Crossing or something.And... going back to child- Wait that's not human nature. As I edited in my comment above: Violence is something that everyone watches but won't do, and loli hentai is something criminal that the vast majority of people don't watch or do. No, we won't compare something stupid together anymore. 1. Again, violent video games don't cause violence. The point is that they exist because violence is appealing in the first place. Similarly, porn & hentai exist because sexuality is appealing. People get to experiment with inherent aspects of human nature that don't translate to reality.2. Lolicon is legal here, so your whole spiel about criminals is meaningless. 3. It doesn't matter what the majority does or doesn't do. I just know who to not converse often with and it's good to know that now. And funny thing is, I never insulted you until then, whereas you insulted me throughout and still wrote an entire paragraph saying how I'm writing my opinion without facts... because well, yes, that's what an opinion is and people have seen different things and have different thoughts that they can say. Debates with me are pretty much only out of miscommunication if they go on: I'm actually very open unless I know you're unsafe to be around. Nah, you looked for an easy out when you realized you were going to be utterly BTFO'd for making ridiculous claims that are open for challenge. Also, it's not insulting to say that you aren't making factual statements. Because you aren't. I'm not rejecting your lived experience, I'm just saying you don't have the big picture.You know what makes me feel unsafe? When I have to keep my interests locked away lest I be branded something I'm not and condemned to the worst humiliation society can hurl at me. |
|
Only_Brad said: Hillary_Clinton_ said: The audience for violent films isn't proven to bleed over into the audience for, say, snuff films/ISIS beheading videos. On the other hand, there is an obvious overlap between consumers of loli & consumers of actual cp. So your analogy is disingenuous. Violent TV shows and movies don't generate a demand for snuff films. Banning Loli isn't gonna make pedophiles less pedophiles. Bunille said: By the way, people here are indirectly saying a child's tits are okay to look at if they're animated. What a world we live in. And I guess some are the same people to hate furries, but drawings of young nude children? Oh, that's a thing that's okay for them. Whose fault is it, the paedophile or the child? The former. Who cares if it's a real child or not, they weren't at fault: the paedophile, however, is, and they're not the animated ones but the ones watching the show and getting off on it. Punishment is still a plausible thing, if more lenient but still punishment. And yeah they probably do flirt with young teenage girls in secret considering the number of females on MAL that have mentioned their disgust. What's to say that lolicons don't fap to children? The second a kid says hello to them they'll probably jack off to both a child and animation. Congrats, you solved the problem. Who likes violence in games? A normal, average, healthy human being. They won't go stabbing anyone. Now, who likes seeing a little girl show her genitals (but dw it's animated)? This 'person'. Nobody else. And they like to masturbate to it. What the actual fuck are we trying to defend? Looking at "child" tits is not pedophilia. Can't believe I have to do this, every single time. If the "child" has tits, then it's not a child anymore, it's a teenager. The distinction between a teenager and an adult is non existent from a biological point of view. Yes, it's perfectly normal for adults to find teenagers attractive, no it's not pedophilia. alright buddy, go tell the father of some 13 year old that his daughter is hot, and insist that that it's OK to say that because a wikipedia article says 13 year olds aren't children, see how it works out for you. |
Hillary_Clinton_Nov 17, 2020 6:53 PM
Only_Brad said: If the "child" has tits, then it's not a child anymore, it's a teenager. The distinction between a teenager and an adult is non existent from a biological point of view. Yes, it's perfectly normal for adults to find teenagers attractive, no it's not pedophilia. Yeah, we are biologically predisposed to feel attracted to sexual traits even in teenagers. That does not mean it's cool to act on that attraction and interact sexually with teens or to desire to do so. Mentally they're pretty much still children and that's how they should be seen by adults. |
Sebway said: true hahaNo, however I would never let a lolicon near my kids for obvious reasons. Hillary_Clinton_ said: Pedophile refers to attraction to prepubescent children. attraction to 13+ year olds could be considered just as bad, however is a different argument than "lolicon" and "pedophilia".alright buddy, go tell the father of some 13 year old that his daughter is hot, and insist that that it's OK to say that because a wikipedia article says 13 year olds aren't children, see how it works out for you. Sheklon said: yes, that is why there is an age of concent. He definately wasn't arguing that "acting on" or "interacting sexually" with teenagers is ok. I don't think anyone here thinks that is ok.Yeah, we are biologically predisposed to feel attracted to sexual traits even in teenagers. That does not mean it's cool to act on that attraction and interact sexually with teens or to desire to do so. Mentally they're pretty much still children and that's how they should be seen by adults. |
yaruka said: Sebway said: true hahaNo, however I would never let a lolicon near my kids for obvious reasons. Hillary_Clinton_ said: Pedophile refers to attraction to prepubescent children. attraction to 13+ year olds could be considered just as bad, however is a different argument than "lolicon" and "pedophilia".alright buddy, go tell the father of some 13 year old that his daughter is hot, and insist that that it's OK to say that because a wikipedia article says 13 year olds aren't children, see how it works out for you. Sheklon said: yes, that is why there is an age of concent. He definately wasn't arguing that "acting on" or "interacting sexually" with teenagers is ok. I don't think anyone here thinks that is ok.Yeah, we are biologically predisposed to feel attracted to sexual traits even in teenagers. That does not mean it's cool to act on that attraction and interact sexually with teens or to desire to do so. Mentally they're pretty much still children and that's how they should be seen by adults. I didn't think he was saying that either. I just thought I would point that for anyone else reading. |
Sheklon said: I didn't think he was saying that either. I just thought I would point that for anyone else reading. yea, sorry if I came off aggressive. I don't really watch it often but Hentai (in general) is already pretty much against Commonwealth law in my country Australia anyway, however they are frequently threatening to start placing restrictions on regular anime now. They actually started removing stuff like Eromanga Sensei and SAO from amazon and retail stores. edit: They tried to do this with video games in the media years ago, now the new scapegoat is that anime is causing sexual violence. |
yarukaNov 17, 2020 11:53 PM
More topics from this board
» Who agrees that birds are not dinosaurs?stefanoiulli1999 - Oct 28 |
27 |
by stefanoiulli1999
»»
2 minutes ago |
|
» What are your Halloween plans?RuneRem - Oct 28 |
24 |
by Sly-Cooper
»»
25 minutes ago |
|
» You have 5 words to find your true soulmate / best friend. What do you say?Cute_Marseille - Oct 22 |
23 |
by Sly-Cooper
»»
32 minutes ago |
|
» 2025-26 NBA season ( 1 2 )deg - Jun 23 |
88 |
by deg
»»
1 hour ago |
|
» What is your favorite episode of The Simpsons and why?Rally- - Yesterday |
4 |
by Adverrito
»»
2 hours ago |