| Do you think being a lolicon is more or less accepted now than it was roughly 10~15 years ago? And, do you consider whatever change has taken place to be positive or negative? This question is posed purely in reference to the perception of societies outside of Japan, since it has been a very standard fetish/sexual orientation there for many decades at this point. If it wasn't already clear, feel free to answer this question regardless of whether or not you are a lolicon. /)^3^(\ |
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| I feel it's more accepted nowadays since society generally has become more sex-positive. |
| I follow this one girl on insta shes like 15 and a proud lolicon and shotacon, people accept it if its a woman doing it but if a male did it I mean ofcourse, people would dislike him. IMO its not okay to want to fuck a little kid but thats just me. Its generally accepted I think because of all of the loli doujins I see |
| People these days are more open about lolicon so it is a meme at best and a trend at worst. |
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| Depends on how people encounter it most of the time. If you just pretend to be for a meme, then people won't take it too seriously, but if you really are a lolicon, then that's a different matter. I feel like being an actual lolicon and that admits it is negatively viewed unless the person viewing is a lolicon themselves. Overall, I'm not sure about 10~15 years ago, but I think that being a lolicon unironically has become rather more negative, due to the very nature of a loli. I'm not a lolicon myself, so I couldn't say for sure, since I don't know how they exactly live, but overall on Internet, I believe that's how it is. Basically, "protecc" loli = good, "lewding" loli = bad is how I've seen it most of the time. |
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| You mean people who read lolicons or legit ones who are...pedos fans? |
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| It's too accepted, unfortunately. :/ |
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| Loli's were more accepted back 10+ years ago by the general public cause they were simply portrayed as cute innocent little girls. They aren't too accepted anymore cause Loli's seem to all be drawn super lewd now days and are often put into sexual situations that aren't very appropriate in the eyes of the general Western audience. In terms of Anime fans though I think it is more accepted now days than ever because so many Anime fans are into it now for whatever reason when before it was niche in the West. Very niche. Idc if people want to watch Loli shows that's their own business but I do question the people who can sit there and support Loli hentai like Shoujo Ramune which is basically animated CP. |
ZeroflamezOct 19, 2020 1:47 PM
Stardew said: Seeing that disgusting documentary on netflix still existing. Yea I believe its more accepted now. There was a loli documentary on netflix? |
| Western world(America) will never fully accept anime. Look how much that POS cuties got shit on when it came out. |
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Zeroflamez said: Stardew said: Seeing that disgusting documentary on netflix still existing. Yea I believe its more accepted now. There was a loli documentary on netflix? My bad. I associated the cuties documentary with lolis lol. But idk, this documentary exists because of our society now. Shrugs |
| The only kind of loli I like are the oppai loli. |
| It is way more accepted nowadays though that may be due to weeb and otaku culture. Megumin won a waifu of the decade poll so that speaks a lot in terms of how mainstream it is. It still is only accepted mostly by other weebs though. Outsiders still see it as degenerate. |
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rohan121 said: It is way more accepted nowadays though that may be due to weeb and otaku culture. Megumin won a waifu of the decade poll so that speaks a lot in terms of how mainstream it is. It still is only accepted mostly by other weebs though. Outsiders still see it as degenerate. Yeah except Megumin is not a loli... |
Only_Brad said: rohan121 said: It is way more accepted nowadays though that may be due to weeb and otaku culture. Megumin won a waifu of the decade poll so that speaks a lot in terms of how mainstream it is. It still is only accepted mostly by other weebs though. Outsiders still see it as degenerate. Yeah except Megumin is not a loli... Nhentai labels her a loli. She is physically built like a loli (ie short flat). Megumin is 13 years old. Fun fact: Even in the anime Megumin is called a loli by Kazuma. It is a running gag. |
rohan121Oct 19, 2020 2:25 PM
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rohan121 said: Nhentai labels her a loli. She is physically built like a loli (ie short flat). Megumin is 13 years old. Fun fact: Even in the anime Megumin is called a loli by Kazuma. It is a running gag. Why should I care what nhentai labels her? She's not a loli lmao. |
| It's better now, but still has a ways to go. You still have the UN wanting lolis to be banned for example. |
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| Sadly yes, degeneracy has been more and more acceptable and normalized in the west. |
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| less normal in the west, more people are becoming aware of what it is and why it's gross |
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| I would say for the general public in both time periods to the extent they have any knowledge or awareness of it, it would be dependent on to what extent the character and age group of your affection is visually depicted or spoken about (by you) in a more explicitly romantic or sexual light versus whether they are just seen as toys, meeting the traditional standards for approximation of cuteness or Japanese kawaii culture, commodifying them as accessories. The former would be seen as more overtly a sexual deviancy and treated the same by most of the same folks who would look similarly toward the attraction if it were toward live action characters/actors or real life people. The latter would still be denigrated by many of the same people (then and now) but more as a nerd or otaku obsessive interest not befitting the age group of the person in question, viewed as puerile and juvenile and criticized on that basis, more in line with older teen and adult males liking general Western animation/cartoons and forming subcultures around series and toy lines held to be only acceptable as targeted toward children and girls specifically, like the My Little Pony fandom. It wouldn't necessarily be taken to be clearly sexual because the people criticizing it wouldn't desire to be seen as the first ones making that connection and then inadvertently incite the moralistic mob against them in turn. Nowadays especially the nature of such people and groupthink is all about keeping up the facade of feigned ignorance or naivete to preserve your "innocence" in the matter. Even just having knowledge about an "untouchable" topic which no "respectable" or "upstanding" person is supposed to be versed in is viewed with a level of suspicion. I don't think 15 or 20 years ago even in the internet and information age compared to now matters as much as some may think on the time scale of enduring sociocultural conditioning and programming. Many popular aversions or things viewed as degenerate or icky when it comes to minority sexual orientations and paraphilias are the same now as in 2000 and even the medieval era. Anyway, this is a complicated topic, because while there is more likely to be acceptance within the anime community because many may be interested and motivated in thinking outside the box about form and aesthetic, different ideas and emotions in a way that isn't commonly presented in Western art, to many whom it's just a more disposable hobby and their interest in it isn't driven by their views or mindset in other areas of life I would say are just as likely as non-anime watchers to be more plugged into the mainstream thought on any such topic; and this applies equally to the native Japanese fans. I don't have a single problem with it, but just from gauging the mood and volume of debates on any contentious topic like this I suspect even within the niche minority of the anime community/subculture I'm also of the minority viewpoint on this. I would say to remember you control the clarity of your broadcast and messaging and extent to which you reveal how deep the attraction goes; you can be crystalline or provide a layer of obfuscation to buffer yourself against some of the predictable flak, so just be strategic in how you showcase it or not and who you reveal it to, when and how. Be intelligent. Edit: One other point I neglected to include - I do believe there is more information out there and freely available nowadays on this and every other topic, so there is actually more exposure to this in Western bloc countries, but increased exposure actually breeds more contempt and regulatory measures and reinforces difference and the extent to which people want to draw lines to distinguish themselves from what they view as repugnant, whereas in the past the person confronted with a minority sexual predilection or fetish would just assume it was limited to the one person they were presently engaging with or a paltry handful of people too weird to be taken seriously, but now people feel more personally challenged and threatened by worldviews, lifestyles, and preferences outside of their own experience since the internet shone a light on the extent of it. So there is more lizard brain autoimmune response triggered to ward off perceived threats to their family/tribe/community whereas before some things would be seen as too random and unpopular to be anything apart from a joke and merit attacking or regulation. That's why the internet used to be more of the Wild West seeming boundless and lawless, but standardization and oversight from corporations catering to the blandest and most watered down interests and busybodies demanding it threatens the ecological niche of lolicons. So depending on the nature or extent of the fetish, more will get driven underground (dark web). |
WatchTillTandavaOct 19, 2020 3:34 PM
| nabokov's lolita was a thing back in the day, I don't think you can write that kinda stuff today in the states, and it sold like lemonade on a hot summer day |
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| I don't mind people who like Lolicon/Shotacon(as long as it isn't graphic, sexual, or gory), because as long as they don't actually engage in harmful or illegal behaviors, then I don't see why you should be hated on. Especially if you treat others kindly and are a decent person. But Cuties is above my morals for obvious reasons. If it wasn't about young girls twerking, than it wouldn't be on my dislike list. Though, I don't support cancel culture, it's just stupid as shit. Overall, I don't mind Lolicon as long as it isn't violent or rapey but CP isn't okay and Lolis are meant for hugging or cuddling, not sex. |
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| I just look at lolicons as people treating a symptom. Kinda like drug users almost. They aren't actually hurting anyone (but themselves), but if they are (committing abuse of a child), they should be hung by their entrails and have their corpse paraded across the city. |
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| Real-life lolicon is a euphemism I didn't know existed, and in all honesty would feel better not knowing. I consider paedophiliac people to be victims rather than the offenders (unless they offended) and I think it's an important way to approach the subject. I cannot imagine anyone treating, say, someone with neurological conditions that make them have a higher proclivity for aggression, as a potential murderer. In our moral intuition we all have the idea of "ought implies can" ingrained but being selective in our appliance of moral principles make them worthless. In no other scenario would we agree that assigning moral culpability to people on things beyond their control would be a sound assertion, so I think one should see through their convictions. |
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| No, pedophiles are a danger to society they'll never be truly "accepted" nor will content made for them ever be "accepted". It's only a thing in Japan because it's easy to monetize, they got weird ass sexualized underage idols/models over there as well. They have to crack down on that shit. I've always wondered whether lolicons who aren't pedophiles are the majority or the minority. I imagine it's the latter. |
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| @Peaceful_critic Well I normally just go on Youtube or I log off the computer completely (or put the phone down). These days I find myself just staying off the internet cause it's more frustrating than it is fun to me now. Well it's been that way for years for me but it's just recently where I don't have the energy or patience to deal with it anymore. Small internet communities are largely gone and only big ones exist now. The more people that are in a community, the more problems unfortunately. |
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