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Sep 11, 2020 6:50 PM
#151
LaceyKuroki said: MrSwingingbison said: Nah It's just not targeted towards straight men. Most men are straight. Therefore most men dont like yaoi and fuji whatever. Its not that hard to understand. Stop trying to turn this into a men vs women thing Dw it was a joke, I was hoping for a response like this. But I will say personally I see more guys complain about yaoi, don't usually see girls having the same response to yuri (although im sure theres some) unsubed, disliked, reported : P Women don't have that response cuz dudes arent shipping Tsuyu and momo the same way girls are shipping Deku and Bakugo dummy. |
CoolerMaster22Sep 11, 2020 7:00 PM
Sep 11, 2020 7:43 PM
#152
MrSwingingbison said: LaceyKuroki said: MrSwingingbison said: Nah It's just not targeted towards straight men. Most men are straight. Therefore most men dont like yaoi and fuji whatever. Its not that hard to understand. Stop trying to turn this into a men vs women thing Dw it was a joke, I was hoping for a response like this. But I will say personally I see more guys complain about yaoi, don't usually see girls having the same response to yuri (although im sure theres some) unsubed, disliked, reported : P Women don't have that response cuz dudes arent shipping Tsuyu and momo the same way girls are shipping Deku and Bakugo dummy. Alrighty so gents do good shipping, ladies do bad shipping. Gotcha. There's good and bad in each community. But I get where you're coming from, you don't usually see excessive over the top yuri fans as you usually get with yaoi. But I assure you, they can ship the same way :> |
Sep 11, 2020 8:04 PM
#153
I hate fujoshi or any type of shipping(or any fandom anyway), but Naruto/Sasuke and Deku/Bakugou act very gayish towards each other. Until this day i think the only reason Sasuke is a leaf Shinobi is because he wants to be close to Naruto and Naruto ran after him for half a decade. Plus Naruto/Hinata and Sasuke/Sakura pairing makes no sense. Bakugou is definitely a closeted gay and acts out against Deku, because he actually wants his ass, and trash #4 Deku(peak beta male and also passive looking as fuck) is very much not in love with BNHA trash character #13 Uraraka. I have never met a straight man that has Yuri(romance) as one of their favorite genre, i feel like Yaoi and Yuri are both aimed at girls. |
SteelingMaxSep 11, 2020 8:20 PM
Sep 11, 2020 8:27 PM
#154
hell_jpeg said: idk if this is a bait thread or not but I'll give my take none the less It's because fujoshis pretty much fetishise gay men to the point it's uncomfortable. especially because lot of times fujos take any male interaction as yaoi, and also hate lesbains/wl/yuri while liking Yaoi ships. Plus, most Yaoi content out there is made by fujoshi, for fujoshi (Haven't seen any Yaoi out there made by an LGBT male creator) so it just makes it awkward i feel like you can say the same thing about yuri, i was shocked to see that the most popular yuri mangas before at least 2018 were just sex and most of the readers were men who kinda developed a fetish for it |
vanillaskynetDec 29, 2020 10:47 PM
Sep 11, 2020 8:40 PM
#155
| its weird seeing a lot of (majority) grown men who argue over waifus and shipping almost everyday have this conversation LOLOL |
Sep 12, 2020 12:37 AM
#156
| Fujoshi and Otaku are fine but shippers are annoying, on both sides people who try to think about non-romantic stories romantically are just irritating to me. I generally don't get along with western anime watchers in general as it seems many normies have wash down the weirdos that I love. I like weird people who aren't cringe to a retarded level and for some reason that is a hard thing to ask for. Conventions used to be fun now they are full of asses. |
Sep 12, 2020 1:03 AM
#157
| I think the real problem is that some fujoshis flaunt on the fact that BL has gay in it and expect others to treat it like any other romance anime when in fact it tends to get pretty kinky and does contain fetishes much like ecchi so at the end of the day it doesn't appeal to everyone. BL fans have completely changed the meaning of homophobia lol. Google tells me that homophobia is: dislike of or prejudice against homosexual people. But based on replies in this thread the definition extends to: - Not watching/liking BL - Not liking fujoshis - Not liking/being opposed to people who ship two straight male characters - Assuming the sexual orientation of characters from shounen to be straight even though it's not explicitly proved in the anime. People drooling over yuri while shitting on yaoi are just hypocrites and those guys who go "eww gay" are part of the problem as well. |
Sep 12, 2020 1:04 AM
#158
Irks. No. And it's funny how its thumb nail is Yuri on Ice. Yuri on Ice just had had a great and sweet romance in it. People would also have had enjoyed it a lot, when they had been a straight or lesbian couple. A straight male friend of mine liked it a lot and my (straight... uhm mostly?) ex boyfriend just watched it recently, like last year, and really enjoyed it too. DmonHiro said: Honestly, for fujo fans are obnoctious in shipping any male characters with any other male characters. Also, since they are obsessive, they tent to inflate rating of fujo anime to absurd levels. Remember Yuri On Ice? That was voted best animated anime by the fujos, on CR. It was also voted best almost-everything-else, that it had no business winning. And what's the problem with that? One time an anime that is mostly liked by women and some queer people wins a price and a lot of straight male anime fans lost their mind over this, just because it's not always about them and what they like every single time anymore. We are not in the 90s anymore where nerd fandoms were heavily dominated by guys, but things that are liked by girls, women and also all kind of queer people, are still often made fun of or not taken as seriously. Be it anime or literature etc. Books written by women (and for a female audience) always have been taken less serious than male authors and as a joke as well. A huge majority of "classics" comes from male authors and are circlejerked in literature to be the best things since sliced bread. Sometimes it still looks to me like back then, when you were at the playground and some boys yelled at you that they don't want to play with a girl and don't want to have you in their group. So you went back to the more mature ones, who weren't right now in their "eww girls / eww things girls like"-phases lol |
Sep 12, 2020 2:40 AM
#159
Hoppy said: Yeah, I met some girl dressed as Deku who started squealing with glee and celebrating my "gay pride" because I told her I liked Yuri on Ice. I'm 100% straight and just like the ice skating. If you ship two straight males, that's your prerogative. It's when they mistake their fantasies for dogmatic reality that it becomes pure delusion.A lot of the hate comes from the Western side of the fandom Western fujo can be annoying, patronizing to gays (you hear this lately in con horror stories), and if you are on Twitter, you'll find that the fujoshi communities are infested with SJWs and "moral guardians". I don't entirely blame them though. Many of them don't know what healthy male relationships looks like and that's largely because it's always been discouraged as being "gay" or "wussy" by dominant masculine culture. Frodo & Sam from The Lord of the Rings are the perfect example of an intimate yet completely hetero relationship. And if people aren't convinced by that, look up George Washington and Lafayette. Very intimate, yet Washington's only romantic affections were ever for his wife Martha and the love of his life, Sally Fairfax. |
Sep 12, 2020 3:13 AM
#160
_Maneki-Neko_ said: Irks. No. And it's funny how its thumb nail is Yuri on Ice. Yuri on Ice just had had a great and sweet romance in it. People would also have had enjoyed it a lot, when they had been a straight or lesbian couple. A straight male friend of mine liked it a lot and my (straight... uhm mostly?) ex boyfriend just watched it recently, like last year, and really enjoyed it too. I agree with a lot of what you said but just on this point tbh as a dude who likes dudes I think Yuri on Ice was queerbaity. It was really underwhelming that their relationship was heavily implied but never actually made explicit. Don't get me wrong I thought it was a cute story but I felt sick at how censored it was. I feel like you could genuinely argue that the relationship was based around mutual adoration but without romance or sexual attraction. |
Sep 12, 2020 3:19 AM
#161
| You! Yes you! Come here... I'll let you in on a secret... Not all males are the same. There is nothing like *All Males like this or all of them hate that* the same applies to women. Grow up. |
Sep 12, 2020 3:50 AM
#162
Shimamoto said: _Maneki-Neko_ said: Irks. No. And it's funny how its thumb nail is Yuri on Ice. Yuri on Ice just had had a great and sweet romance in it. People would also have had enjoyed it a lot, when they had been a straight or lesbian couple. A straight male friend of mine liked it a lot and my (straight... uhm mostly?) ex boyfriend just watched it recently, like last year, and really enjoyed it too. I agree with a lot of what you said but just on this point tbh as a dude who likes dudes I think Yuri on Ice was queerbaity. It was really underwhelming that their relationship was heavily implied but never actually made explicit. Don't get me wrong I thought it was a cute story but I felt sick at how censored it was. I feel like you could genuinely argue that the relationship was based around mutual adoration but without romance or sexual attraction. True, but a lot of queer stuff is sadly just strong hints, because they don't have the courage or they aren't allowed to by their chef producer or anything. In the last episode of Korra for example the writers had to fight that they are allowed to hold hands and go together in that light, because the channel was like "BUT THINK OF THE CHIIIILDREN!!! (And especially the children's crazy parents!) Only holding hands and not more!" lol In the comics, they could write their relationship. In Mo Dao Zu Shi the chinese censorship censored in the anime / donghua and live action series their relationship a lot. In the novel they actually get in a relationship later and sleep with each other. That's why in chinese donghua a lot falls onto "sworn brothers", also because it's culture in east asia. That was a term to cloak "I love this man and I don't mean it platonically. I fuck him too... or want to at least." Especially for men with higher social status. They didn't have a concept of homosexuality. In China btw they had that "cut sleeve" term because there is a very cute story behind this about an emporer, who rather cut the sleeve of expensive clothing than waking up his lover, who fell asleep on it. That's where all these "sworn brothers" or "you are like a brother to me" in many series, also or especially shounen, come from lol Japan is there as hypicritical as the western world, even more. They can love that guy a lot, but they can't be bi or gay. There are no real equivalents for women tho because many cultures didn't think about women's sexuality and still don't do. I'm glad when two female characters get real and great chemistry with each other. Mostly they don't imo. And it's funny, but I'm ... let's say more on the girls' shore, but I got all in all more gay shippings I really like than straight or lesbian ones, because two male characters often get better chemistry than a guy and a girl or two girls with each other imo. Anyway, chances are high that the writer of Yuri on Ice wanted to, but didn't get completely free hand in this. Desiy said: Rose_animenz said: Desiy said: Arin-san said: Desiy said: Arin-san said: Desiy said: Arin-san said: I hate fujoshi and I don't understand why do people ask questions like "Why do people hate fujoshi's" ask yourself. They are so annoying, that can be one of the reasons out of one million other reasons. You guys (A majority of the fujoshi community) shove your gay ships down our throat and then whine when the ship sinks. You guys spam the fandom with gay shit. You guys send author death threats and call them homophobic (Happened many times in the past, lets not pretend that this doesn't exist). You guys do all kinds of mental gymnastics to prove that the character is gay and your ship has 1% chance to happen. You need more reasons? You must be apathetic to what the fujoshi community do. And I've never seen people in the anime community instantly label all female anime fans as fujoshis, that almost never happens, so it's strange seeing you say that. How is it any different from people that ship straight couples or yuri? What? How can you ask how is it different? Are you blind? Most straight ships aren't forced, they aren't shoved down your throat, they aren't head-canon/non-canon, what the hell do you mean by how is it any different from people that ship straight couples? Fix your question first. You have to accept the fact that not everyone likes BL, so when you shove BL ships down other people's throat in a non-BL anime then that's just plainly wrong. I've seen my fair share of forced straight ships like Naruto x Sakura or Eren x Mikasa. My point still stands why is it worse when you make a BL ship than a straight ship or a yuri ship if both are not cannon? Oh my- okay let me explain to you like a 5 year old. Imagine a rom-com anime, 4 characters, 2 girls 2 boys, the anime explicitly makes it clear that all of them are straight, now obviously making a straight ship makes more sense because the anime makes it clear at which demographic or audience they are trying to aim at (Straight people), obviously most straight person would like to watch a rom-com with straight couples, that is why most of the fandom is made of straight people, so OBVIOUSLY the fandom will make straight ships be it canon or non-canon, that's when a fujoshi enters the scene and spams with BL stuff and calls others homophobic for not agreeing with their ships or calling their ships impossible (When in reality it IS impossible because ever since the first time the anime made it clear to what approach its taking). And THAT is why a straight ship in a STRAIGHT anime makes more sense than a BL ship. Eren x Mikasa? Really.... Really? C'mon man. The reason why people ship Eren with Mikasa is because of their interaction, sometimes they have their moments and it really makes them look like they are made for each other, it makes them look like a couple. On the other hand, fujoshis! You guys would go crazy when 2 boys breathe next to each other, look at the mess that is the BNHA fandom, if there happens to be a boy next to another boy in a 1 mile radius then you fujoshis scream and ship them together and make weird NSFW fanarts of them even though they are underage teen boys who are not even GAY. If you still can't see what's so wrong with it then you are just as blind as a bat. But if your ship is already noncanon anyway why does it matter? Also it's only an issue when it's two boys, but nobody complains when it's two girls. Sounds like a double standard to me. Why is it ok to ship Eren x Mikasa but not Levi x Erwin? Things are not that clear cut as you claim. Many shounen anime have clear homoerotic elements if you're not seeing them then you're just not paying enough attention. Like relationship between Bakugo and Deku or Naruto and Sasuke. okay even im confused at this point explain how deku and bakugo / naruto and saske are supposed to be in a relationship? i usually dont like confrontation but this just seems incorrect. First of all, they're literally made to be two sides of the same coin, each others' missing piece, successors of All Might's legacy, and soulmates. Their relationship is extremely crucial to each other and the series in general. They are the Wonder Duo, who both win and rescue. Their hero costumes even have complementary color palettes. Even Bakugou and Midoriya's mentor, All Might agrees. He has stated, "In the way that young Midoriya longed for young Bakugou's strength, and in the way that young Bakugou feared young Midoriya' spirit...your feelings are all out in the open now, and now...you both get it now, if the two of you can recognize each other and honestly raise each other up, you can become the best heroes, who both win and rescue." (Honestly, that sounded like an officiant's wedding speech) and "You've got a good friend in him." They also share the secret of One For All with All Might and because of this, Midoriya only considered to pass OFA down to Bakugou in Heroes: Rising. Midoriya unlocked Black Whips after Monoma talked dirty about Bakugou and the previous One For All user advised him to "get ahold of his intense feelings." Midoriya only refers to Bakugou as "Kacchan"and not once has he asked him to stop, even though "-chan" is a Japanese honorific used to indicate a cutesy and close bond between friends. Midoriya refused to call Bakugou as something other than "Kacchan" even during a life or death situation, shown when he wanted Mandalay to warn the class about the potential kidnapping of Bakugou. "Kacchan" was an affectionate nickname used by their childhood friends to adress Bakugou. Even Kaminari had teased Bakugou with this nickname, when he seemed geniunely concerned about the well-being of the internship squad, which included Midoriya. In addition, there is no doubt that Bakugou is honestly obsessed with Midoriya. He mentions him and thinks about him all the time. He talks about him with other people even when they haven't brought him up in the conversation. This could be said the same for Midoriya, who would always be there to save Bakugou no matter what despite all that the former has put him through. It could be interpretated as a symptom of Stockholm Syndrom, but in reality Midoriya is just able to see the good in Bakugou without excluding the negatives as well. "To the same extent as all of your unpleasant traits, your sheer amazingness at everything you do was so brilliant to me, it was blinding!", "You, who had so many things that I never had...to me, you were an amazing, inspiring person, who was even closer to me than All Might!", and "You're my symbol of victory." Midoriya admires Bakugou the most (even more than his idol, All Might who he has said to be his favorite hero and multiple merch of) and has stated that he is one of the most important person in his life. Bakugou exposed his feelings and broke down in front of Midoriya, 5+ times in fact (when he was a child, when he was kidnapped by the Sludge Villain, when he told Midoriya he's not going ot lose to him, during their final exams, and during their second fight.) He only wanted to fight Midoriya in order to let off steam. Midoriya only charged in to save someone from the Sludge Villain when he realizes that someone is Bakugou. He's willing to risk his life for him. Even Kirishima sees how much they care for each other deep down. "...Because I'm betting this is hurting you more than the rest of us." This happened after Midoriya got devasted about not being able to save Bakugou from getting kidnapped by the League of Villains his eyes broke and he was screaming with his bloody arms. He was yelling "Kacchan!" through blood and tears while Bakugou whispered a worried, "Stay back, Deku." Midoriya can't stand the thought of Bakugou being taken away from him. Todoroki and Uraraka have commented about their relationship, too. Todoroki has said to Bakugou, "You've been friends since you were kids right?" Uraraka has said to Bakugou, "It's almost like...you're scared so you want to distance him and so you act all menacing like that...I mean, you were childhood friends, and now you're in the same class. So I want you to stop yelling at each other and be friends again." She has also described their relationship as, "the fated battle between rivals/ men." Toga has described to Uraraka what loving someone entails, "And you're always thinking about how you want to be like him, aren't you? Keep in mind, Uraraka is Midoriya's hinted love interest. However, I think Uraraka is only in love with the idea of loving Midoriya. Midoriya as her possible romantic partner as only ever crossed her mind because someone else mentioned it. Whenever your classmates tease you about liking someone, don't you get flustered as well, even though you don't even like them? But Midoriya also admires Bakugou a lot, to the point where he copies his movesets and acts like him because he's his "image of victory." They inspire each other to be the best versions of themselves. Bakugou only wanted Midoriya's attention on him when he was about to win and rescue during his joint-training battle with Class-1B, even if a sexy girl like Tokage was right in front of him. Currently, they have frequent tea time meetings with All Might about One For All. Midoriya had commented on his life after getting One For All, everybody who helped him get to where he is now, and his newly healed friendship with Bakugou as being blessed. Yes, Bakugou did bully Midoriya in the past. He did act abrasive, mean, and told Midoriya to kill himself. However, their relationship is improving. Bakugou is improving. This ship is based on their chemistry, development, drama, angst, and everything else in between. On the other hand, I don't understand why people shame Bakugou for hurting Midoriya, but not when Jirou stabs Kaminari with her earjacks all the time and makes fun of his stupidity. Don't get me wrong, I ship KamiJirou too and I know they were not as toxic as BakuDeku, but these are double standards. Anyway, people can choose to interpret their relationship in a healthy way or not, but it's no one's right to tell others what they can or cannot ship. They're not harming anyone. In fact, BakuDeku is a lot of people's comfort ship and OTP. The BakuDeku fandom is one of the largest, full of supportive people, and produces tons of content. Bakugou and Midoriya's relationship is the most central to the plot which means they frequently get content together. Everyone knows there's no way BakuDeku would ever become canon. But just because they won't, we can't ship them? We can't imagine what would happen if they did get toegether? We can't have fun? Personally, I don't like shipping canon ships because it's boring. There's no hope that motivates you and the author already decides their dynamic for you. Fanon ships and rarepairs are my favorite because you are in charge. You get to explore the dynamics and possibilities of every ship. In conclusion, BakuDeku is my OTP. To be honest the only thing I ship Bakugou with is a good anger management therapy xD, but I absolutely get that. *cough* Deku and Todoroki is better. */cough* The crush between Deku and Uraraka feels kinda forced imo. It's just a lovely-dovey teenage crush and that's of course not unrealistic, but it's quite boring tbh. Tbh I'm one of these, who still ship Allen x Lenalee tho, because it's so wholesome and Deku x Uraraka is as cute. I still admit that they are quite boring together. Also I think Allen and Lenalee still got better chemistry of these two shippings, also because they know each other for longer now I think. Uraraka and Lenalee themselves are cute girls, but less interesting than the boys around them imo. They are just one of my... feel good pairs? Like Zen and Shirayuki. They are overall quite "boring", but so adorable lol. Still, I prefer couples with a bit of fire, complexity and all, you know? Without being abusive and looking like "domestic abuse, the pairing" of course. |
removed-userSep 12, 2020 7:08 AM
Sep 12, 2020 4:26 AM
#163
Shimamoto said: _Maneki-Neko_ said: Irks. No. And it's funny how its thumb nail is Yuri on Ice. Yuri on Ice just had had a great and sweet romance in it. People would also have had enjoyed it a lot, when they had been a straight or lesbian couple. A straight male friend of mine liked it a lot and my (straight... uhm mostly?) ex boyfriend just watched it recently, like last year, and really enjoyed it too. I agree with a lot of what you said but just on this point tbh as a dude who likes dudes I think Yuri on Ice was queerbaity. It was really underwhelming that their relationship was heavily implied but never actually made explicit. Don't get me wrong I thought it was a cute story but I felt sick at how censored it was. There is only one scene in YoI that is "censored", and it's not like it was the director's choice. She said on record that she had to fight to insert that scene in the first place. If anything it really speaks volumes of how little freedom creators have about these things. Besides, the only reason people call YoI bait is because it's two dudes. So their relationship has be proven all the time, rather than people interfering it from the text (Which is not even ambiguous in YoI). This happens all the time with new anime with M/M stuff not tagged as BL (See also No. 6 infamous european kiss discourse) I feel like you could genuinely argue that the relationship was based around mutual adoration but without romance or sexual attraction. That would be a weird interpretation of the story as YoI is about Yuri's sexual awakening and expressing his love through ice skating. |
Sep 12, 2020 5:38 AM
#164
Jin_uzuki said: There is only one scene in YoI that is "censored", and it's not like it was the director's choice. She said on record that she had to fight to insert that scene in the first place. If anything it really speaks volumes of how little freedom creators have about these things. Besides, the only reason people call YoI bait is because it's two dudes. So their relationship has be proven all the time, rather than people interfering it from the text (Which is not even ambiguous in YoI). This happens all the time with new anime with M/M stuff not tagged as BL (See also No. 6 infamous european kiss discourse) When I say 'censored' I don't just mean that scene, although it's a great example. Kiss turns out to be a hug or 'interpret how you want' lol. It's the fact that they can't say the words 'relationship' or 'dating' in an explicitly romantic context. I've had more intimacy with male friends (not even boyfriends) than what they've shown of these two, which is why it's important for me if the writer/studio/whoever wants to portray a same-sex relationship in a positive way, it would need to be said that they are in a relationship. This is probably why I read BL manga and don't really watch a lot of anime. Jin_uzuki said: That would be a weird interpretation of the story as YoI is about Yuri's sexual awakening and expressing his love through ice skating. The point is you *can*. |
Sep 12, 2020 6:18 AM
#165
Shimamoto said: When I say 'censored' I don't just mean that scene, although it's a great example. Kiss turns out to be a hug or 'interpret how you want' lol. The kiss has been discussed to death, and any interpretation that isn't a kiss makes no sense. Why would the producers even fight against a hug anyway? They already hugged 15 times by then. It's the fact that they can't say the words 'relationship' or 'dating' in an explicitly romantic context. I've had more intimacy with male friends (not even boyfriends) than what they've shown of these two, which is why it's important for me if the writer/studio/whoever wants to portray a same-sex relationship in a positive way, it would need to be said that they are in a relationship. There are scenes where Yuri and Victor are literally naked in comprising position with each other lol. Most anime couples barely hold hands. Even if you want to argue they are not a couple they sure are a legit ship supported by the show. This is probably why I read BL manga and don't really watch a lot of anime. YoI isn't BL, It's an anime original, which put it at odds with anyone in the staff, advertisers, etc that didn't want to associate themselves with M/M stuff. But really I doubt if one of them was a girl anyone would even need any form of validation past the first 3 episodes. The point is you *can*. People jump through all kind of hops to deny homosexuality in anime ("Kaworu is an Angel so Shinji is not gay!") it doesn't mean they make sense. Yuri's routine is literally about *eros* and it's about using his seduction skills. Eroticism and sexuality are at the core of his character, ignoring them leaves a huge hole in the story and removes most of character development. It's not even YoI anymore because the anime is incredibly sexually charged. |
Jin_uzukiSep 12, 2020 6:28 AM
Sep 12, 2020 6:28 AM
#166
exonerate said: Anyway, still waiting for that special fujoshi who's going to send me nice OTP suggestions and pictures. Shh, say no more my friend. I'm rewatching Sailor Moon, have some delicious Kunzite/Mamo. I know they don't interact much and Kunzite already has his (adorable) thing with Zoisite, but it's still goooood. It's a shame we barely saw Tux with his own soldiers. https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/3007051 this is also cute ;; https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/54050179 |
kona-peachSep 12, 2020 6:32 AM
Sep 12, 2020 8:27 AM
#167
| I don't hate fujoshi. I hate it when someone is trying to keep pushing me to read something I don't wanna read. I befriended with a nice fujoshi in real and she was really fun to hang out with, but I also have met some on the internet who keep persuade me to read their favorite BL. |
Sep 12, 2020 10:38 AM
#168
| I'm not a guy, but I hate fujoshi as well. Listen if a fujoshi just enjoys BL and all that, it doesn't bother me, in fact I enjoy BL too as long as it's actual romance and not overly sexual. However, a lot of rabid fujoshis out there are straight up fetishizing gay men, and it's just gross to see. No one should fetishize a sexuality, it's extremely uncomfortable. |
Sep 12, 2020 11:35 AM
#169
| Depends on how you define Fujoshi If we go by the definition that says they are just female anime fans then I don't have a problem with them and are firends with a decent amount of them. If we go by the definition that says they are BL fangirls that shove their gays ships donw you throat, treat the headcannons like actual cannon and send death threats to mangaka when their ships don't sail then I do hate them and the reasons are in the definition above. The tend to be very obnoxious |
愛がなければ、見えない。 Without Love, the truth cannot be seen. |
Sep 12, 2020 11:49 AM
#170
| I am a fujoshi as I like BL and ship characters but I do not like people like some of the people posting here that paint all fujoshi as the same in every way. Some of us do not shove ships down people's throats or ship real people let people like what they like. |
Sep 12, 2020 12:25 PM
#171
| For the same reason why a girl normally finds disgusting a guy telling her that he likes to watch pornography. |
| “Right is right even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.” ― Saint Augustine |
Sep 12, 2020 12:29 PM
#172
Mummykun said: For the same reason why a girl normally finds disgusting a guy telling her that he likes to watch pornography. Bl is not the same as pornography. I like the non sexual relationships best. There is not enough Bromance. |
Sep 12, 2020 12:31 PM
#173
| Turns out, the media lied to women about publicly airing out your gross sexual fetishes being STUNNING, empowered and attractive, and it's actually none of those things from a male point of view. |
Sep 12, 2020 12:32 PM
#174
AstZero said: Boutroux said: AstZero said: Boutroux said: notmytempo said: Boutroux said: attraction to lolis is natural, you delusional fagAmatniki said: Because being obsessed with gay guys is weird. And Yaoi is just gross so anyone who likes it is a weirdo, not only Fujoshis You watch soft-core loli porn. Just sit your ass down before you make a bigger fool of yourself. These people just dig their own grave, don't they? So called 'fujoshis' don't even have to defend themselves at this point. AstZero said: Good one buddy lets just forget all the death threats sent to authors. Case in point: Tokyo Ghoul author. Expand on this. When was this? How many years ago? How many 'death threats' are we talking about? 1, 2, 3, 10, 50, 100? Can you list them? Were they actually 'death threats' or just mean tweets? Can you show intent? Can you show arrests being made? People being prosecuted? Because if it's as serious as you've described, you can probably answer all those questions pretty easily. In turn i can show you several instances of male 'otakus' making threats, stalking people, being arrested, prosecuted in the last few years alone. Do you want to see them? AstZero said: Also no people do not willingly interact in fujo communities that aren't fujos themselves what are you on about. Follow your own advice, because i never said that. AstZero said: Exaggerated? Alright dude i guess people massively telling you on 3 different sites to go end yourself is exaggerated. You said 'death threats' before, so which is it? AstZero said: I also like how you people love to undermine the reason its viewed as that bad. It wasn't just the death threats it was also the reason they were sent, over a fucking ship that was never going to happen :). Let's focus on the 'death threat' accusations you made before moving on to accusations about their reasoning. Bad choice of words. People labelled it as death threats but i guess it was moreso demanding that he commit suicide i guess. My bad on that, since the other is way more serious. Also the biggest evidence i have of people sending him death threats is from the people that do interact and follow twitter and other stuff of people saying in chats( he had a livestream of some sort?) saying that they'll go to Japan and kill him and demanding answers to questions and such. I avoid twitter as much as possible i don't use reddit and i never typed tumblr into my search once so the best i can go with evidence is word of mouth which of course isn't much to go on but i don't really care at this point about this to go and do deep research about it. You said that these people go and interact with "these communities" so i took that as you saying people go and interact with fujo communities for some reason, i mistook what you meant. It's basically just gossip at this point. Maybe @Arin-san can substantiate his initial accusations. Arin-san said: You guys send author death threats I mean if it's a stream chat and the vod is still there then yeah that's all you need really but i'm not going to go looking for that. Then don't make these claims and waste everyone's time if you can't back it up with evidence. |
Sep 12, 2020 12:51 PM
#175
UberBat said: Mummykun said: For the same reason why a girl normally finds disgusting a guy telling her that he likes to watch pornography. Bl is not the same as pornography. I like the non sexual relationships best. There is not enough Bromance. Bromance itself is not the same as pornography, but fujoshi is the name given to girls who rot (腐) themselves because of their addiction to yaoi fiction. You may like the non sexual relationships best, but, generally speaking, shipping male anime or manga characters implies the enjoyment of the pornographic aspect of it as well. |
| “Right is right even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.” ― Saint Augustine |
Sep 12, 2020 12:58 PM
#176
Mummykun said: For the same reason why a girl normally finds disgusting a guy telling her that he likes to watch pornography. Besides that there are lot of not sexual boys love out there and shipping isn't about sex in first place ... yeah maybe middle school girls and these home schooled christian girl think it's disgusting when a guy tells them they are regularly watching porno. When you are older than maybe 13 and not religiously brainwashed or anything, or just stupidly innocent, everyone think it's normal. It only raises a bit of confusion why they are telling you this. I think it's the normal state that everyone, who isn't asexual, got their own media with sexual content for their fantasies and all. It's awful when queer characters are only treated as pure objects and fetish, but these who are more respectful and really like them as people and pairing too, I think a lot of "fujoshis" (who aren't really such) got pleasantly a very sex-positive mindset. Mummykun said: UberBat said: Mummykun said: For the same reason why a girl normally finds disgusting a guy telling her that he likes to watch pornography. Bl is not the same as pornography. I like the non sexual relationships best. There is not enough Bromance. Bromance itself is not the same as pornography, but fujoshi is the name given to girls who rot (腐) themselves because of their addiction to yaoi fiction. You may like the non sexual relationships best, but, generally speaking, shipping male anime or manga characters implies the enjoyment of the pornographic aspect of it as well. Yes, as well. Sex is a part of a relationship. |
Sep 12, 2020 1:25 PM
#177
| @_Maneki-Neko_ Then go masturbate to porn and stop bothering me. But yeah, I respect a lot the wise Christian parents who homeschool their children to become properly educated beautiful people instead of degenerates who are brainwashed in public schools to believe they are moist robots and mutilate themselves with tattoos and piercings to show just how open minded they are. Yes, as well. Sex is a part of a relationship. As a private thing that occurs between a man and a woman who have been married, yes. |
ColtBuntlineSep 12, 2020 1:33 PM
| “Right is right even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.” ― Saint Augustine |
Sep 12, 2020 1:33 PM
#178
| I can see why some would hate on fujoshi. I mean, sure, you have those fanatics that force their ships on others and attack you if you disagree with them or they even go after the creators or the actors to canonize it so to speak. I strongly dislike those too but every fandom has some of those maniacs so you can't really treat the whole group the same. I just block or completely ignore those types. Every person has ships they like and dislike. I think people shouldn't try to suppress other people's preference with unreasonable hate. It's not like they're supporting anything harmful. They merely prefer watching romance between guys, just like I do between girls or just like most do between a guy and a girl and I don't see anything wrong with that. Just ship and let ship, guys. Life is too short to waste it on useless hate. You don't have to agree with things but you can still accept them. That's what open-mindedness is all about. |
Sep 12, 2020 1:43 PM
#179
Mummykun said: @_Maneki-Neko_ Then go masturbate to porn and stop bothering me. But yeah, I respect a lot the wise Christian parents who homeschool their children to become properly educated beautiful people instead of degenerates who are brainwashed in public schools to believe they are moist robots and mutilate themselves with tattoos and piercings to show just how open minded they are. Yes, as well. Sex is a part of a relationship. As a private thing that occurs between a man and a woman who have been married, yes. Okay I haven't read your profile before, good satire there. Tho I'm not sure, but it doesn't matter. I don't take it serious one way or another ^^ |
removed-userSep 12, 2020 2:56 PM
Sep 12, 2020 2:03 PM
#180
Hillary_Clinton_ said: Turns out, the media lied to women about publicly airing out your gross sexual fetishes being STUNNING, empowered and attractive, and it's actually none of those things from a male point of view. But a lot of males love and read yaoi tho'. |
Sep 12, 2020 2:46 PM
#181
araizarai said: As an outsider to all this fan/shipping stuff, the hate for fujoshi specifically has always seemed odd to me. I also don't buy into the "fetishizing gay men" thing being bad. Like who cares. They're just characters. join usssssss In all seriousness, you're right, it's one thing to get annoyed by any shipper who doesn't know when to knock it off. But when people overreact to BL fans specifically while they're gobbling up their hentai or whatever, it comes off as... hm. I know people get touchy about getting called sexist or homophobic, but I honestly don't know what else to say. As for "fetishizing gay men", I'll admit... I've seen a good number of straight female yaoi fans do just that. Just like straight male fans of yuri. Hell, even some bi/lesbian BL fans will fawn over fictional characters but then act weird, invasive, and just plain shitty towards actual bi/gay guys. Don't get me started on how some yaoi fangirls try to be "woke" by headcanoning the designated uke (never the seme, no sir) as a transgender guy. |
Sep 12, 2020 3:08 PM
#182
| Sometimes I try to understand it too, but I just can"t find and answer. If some people like to see gay characters, others like to see ecchi and it's not an reason to hate fujoshi |
Sep 12, 2020 3:56 PM
#183
| Wrongfully equates BL with pornography.. Mummykun said: For the same reason why a girl normally finds disgusting a guy telling her that he likes to watch pornography. Snaps after being corrected by two commenters.. Goes full religious fanatic out of the blue.. Mummykun said: But yeah, I respect a lot the wise Christian parents who homeschool their children to become properly educated beautiful people instead of degenerates who are brainwashed in public schools to believe they are moist robots and mutilate themselves with tattoos and piercings to show just how open minded they are. Yes, as well. Sex is a part of a relationship. As a private thing that occurs between a man and a woman who have been married, yes. What an odd way to discredit oneself.. |
Sep 12, 2020 4:03 PM
#184
| Yaois just gross, I don't want your gayness in my weeb area |
Sep 12, 2020 4:05 PM
#185
| i hate seeing bakugo and deku kissing and having sexual intercourses on my instagram feed so yeah fuck fujoshi |
Sep 12, 2020 4:24 PM
#186
| Male otaku with cropped loli hentai icons every time a woman enjoys something: And it's not just fujos. Yumejoshi, otome game fans, even normal-ass shoujo manga fans get the same shit from these people who don't know how to look in a mirror. And for all the people saying: "It's because they send death threats to creators when their ship isn't canon" Name me an instance where this happened other than the Tokyo Ghoul thing. Meanwhile, male otaku (of the "only likes cute girls" variety) have: Sent death threats to an author to the point where they straight up stopped writing the manga because one of the female characters mentioned having a boyfriend in the past (Kannagi) Sent death threats to the author because their ship didn't sail, just like you say fujoshi do (Bleach, Naruto, Darling in the Franxx) Pulled a knife and tried to stab a seiyuu at a live event because she got married (Rie Tanaka) Sent death threats to a female seiyuu and caused her to quit voice acting because she acted in softcore porn prior to voice acting (Yurina Hase) Sent death threats to the author because they didn't like the ending (Domestic Girlfriend) Destroyed merch and sent death threats to the creators for daring to introduce male characters to a CGDCT game (iDOLM@STER) Threw tantrums and harassed people over an all-girls series having a spinoff in a separate universe with male characters (Bang Dream) Threw tantrums and harassed people because an animation studio dared to make a show geared towards women (Free!) Threw tantrums and harassed people because a show for little girls included a magical boy (Pretty Cure) But sure, it's the girls having fun shipping non-canon ships that are the problem. Edit: Too make this abundantly clear since some people are trying to make bad faith arguments because maybe I didn't word my post clearly: I only have issues with people being hypocrites, "pot calling the kettle black" type of thing. I don't care what anyone likes or dislikes and I think some male otaku are cool (for fuck's sake my forum set's from denpa albums) as long as you're not a jerk or a hypocrite about it. |
removed-userSep 13, 2020 1:56 AM
Sep 12, 2020 6:11 PM
#187
FullTimeAutist said: because if u don't ur "homophobic" i personally know a lot of girls that will call u that, if u dont like what they like (boys love)The right question is: why should I like them? Well u can of course say that, u dont care and i get it but the behavior that they show is just plain stupid and im giving an example.Hope it looks they way im trying to project it |
IMustBeNumbSep 12, 2020 6:15 PM
Sep 12, 2020 7:44 PM
#188
| Because most of them are homophobic thats all. Probably thats the reason they hate Yaoi/Yuri relationships. (I am a strait guy and I don't have any problem with Yaoi unless they provide useless fan-service in the form of gay sex scene.) |
| Everyone has great taste, until they start watching galactic heroes and shit on everyone else's taste |
Sep 12, 2020 7:47 PM
#189
| I do not hate fujoshis. I find em kinda cute actually. |
Sep 12, 2020 7:48 PM
#190
| I don't really get how male fans of anime / otaku can hate on fujoshi's...it's like the most ironic thing. |
Sep 12, 2020 8:42 PM
#191
| I don't hate it. I just don't swing that way. |
Sep 12, 2020 10:17 PM
#192
| Wait, I don't hate fujoshi. I dislike boys' love and yaoi. |
Sep 12, 2020 10:18 PM
#193
| I didn't even know there were male anime fans who hate Fujoshi. Personally, I don't really hate any group of people. I suspect that for the most part, people who hate a specific group of people in the anime fandom, are people who actively go out of their way to seek that kind of negativity. I mean, I've been active on this site for 3 years, and have yet to really meet these, "toxic anime fans." |
Sep 13, 2020 12:06 AM
#194
| no i like it as long as they are not yuri |
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Sep 13, 2020 12:52 AM
#195
| This topic is pretty much concluded, right? From the responses we can see that male anime fans don't hate fujoshi. Those that claim to do so either: 1. Actually hate *shipping*, or specifically - aggressive shipping, rather than hating fujoshi themselves; or 2. Are homophobic. |
Sep 13, 2020 5:09 AM
#196
Your reaction to this guy's ironic shitpost was to take the time to click his profile and comb through the stuff he's watched like a creepy stalker, and then post this little 'gotcha' (all while pretending not to understand why pointing out 'double-standards' about porn doesn't even apply when it comes to heterosexuality) you've got some personal investment in this topic, eh |
Sep 13, 2020 5:36 AM
#197
Mummykun said: UberBat said: Mummykun said: For the same reason why a girl normally finds disgusting a guy telling her that he likes to watch pornography. Bl is not the same as pornography. I like the non sexual relationships best. There is not enough Bromance. Bromance itself is not the same as pornography, but fujoshi is the name given to girls who rot (腐) themselves because of their addiction to yaoi fiction. You may like the non sexual relationships best, but, generally speaking, shipping male anime or manga characters implies the enjoyment of the pornographic aspect of it as well. There is also a thing called Ace spectrum. There is much more to a relationship then the sex |
Sep 13, 2020 5:55 AM
#198
Hillary_Clinton_ said: Your reaction to this guy's ironic shitpost was to take the time to click his profile and comb through the stuff he's watched like a creepy stalker, and then post this little 'gotcha' (all while pretending not to understand why pointing out 'double-standards' about porn doesn't even apply when it comes to heterosexuality) you've got some personal investment in this topic, eh Checking what people have watched in a site dedicated about cataloging and displaying in their profiles the anime they have watched is stalking. Bravo. (all while pretending not to understand why pointing out 'double-standards' about porn doesn't even apply when it comes to heterosexuality) Are you saying straight girls need to slick to loli and yuri too? |
Sep 13, 2020 6:22 AM
#199
| People have different values. What an oversocialized middle class metropolitan American white girl considers okay or not okay may differ from what people from many other social strata consider okay. I shouldn't need explain this. Regardless, nobody is infringing on your rights by calling your gross, creepy fetishes gross and creepy. get off the cross. |
Sep 13, 2020 6:29 AM
#200
HeruruMeruru said: Male otaku with cropped loli hentai icons every time a woman enjoys something: harassed people over an all-girls series having a spinoff in a separate universe with male characters (Bang Dream) Threw tantrums and harassed people because an animation studio dared to make a show geared towards women (Free!). Says this while being the same people who throws a tantrum Screaming sexism unrealistic body standards Anytime a ecchi series gets a anime adaptation Keijo Uzaki chan Redo healer Nekopara Ishuzoku Reviewers |
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