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| I want to see Senbonsakura's face! The broken mask revealed some good looking eye there, feats Byakuya ;) Good episode, I'm glad we have some intriguing situation concerning Byakuya. |
| Byakuya is crazy xP zed said: "Byakuya, you're so cwazy" just about sums up this episode. xD, *agrees* he completely lost his mind, I just don't c what "pride" he is talking about >.<" |
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noteDhero said: I marathoned Bleach in May 2008, so correct me if I'm wrong. Byakuya only stood in the way of Ichigo, who was trying to save Rukia. I don't even remember what Aizen was doing at that point, so how did he rescue her? I'm having a hard time even remembering the reasoning for that fight at all, except that Byakuya wasn't going to let Rukia live for breaking some rule that could have tarnished their name, and they had to do what nobles do or some crap. Oi, you're asking a lot from my memory here as well... If I recall correctly, at one point Ichigo called Byakuya out saying that if he was in Byakuya's shoes he'd change the rules, rather than following them. At one point Rukia is held by Aizen and Gin is going to kill her and Byakuya steps in, taking the hit for Rukia. |
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| LOL. I don't think we're going anywhere, since I don't remember this Aizen and Gin part well, but do remember Byakuya stepping in. I'm thinking it was after (or during) Aizen revealing himself, so they were already enemies. |
except that Byakuya wasn't going to let Rukia live for breaking some rule that could have tarnished their name, and they had to do what nobles do or some crap. He did not want to help Rukia, because helping her would result in breaking the law/rule, which he swore on his parents' grave to never do. Mainly because marrying Hisana, Rukia's sister, a commoner, was against his family's tradition or against noble ways. |
| FUUUUUCK! i hope the filler eps. end because they seriously started getting in my nerves! the manga is moving on so there is no chance for the anime to caught up with it! god! |
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hJ said: Byakuya may have some motive behind doing all this He can't be bad Well,we all know that he ISN'T bad =P |
noteDhero said: On another note, as each episode passes, I'm starting to believe that Muramasa is Zaraki's. This talk of his unstable reiatsu plus the whole bloodlust that the Murasama blade has in folklore really puts me on that side. I'm probably wrong, but if he has an owner that we already know of, it could only be him. woah :o this could be true, but i havent seen zaraki since this filler arc started, where did he go ? :/ |
| So Byakuya wants to protect his pride eh. |
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Kurogashi said: Honestly, who does Byakuya think he is? |
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noteDhero said: On another note, as each episode passes, I'm starting to believe that Muramasa is Zaraki's. This talk of his unstable reiatsu plus the whole bloodlust that the Murasama blade has in folklore really puts me on that side. I'm probably wrong, but if he has an owner that we already know of, it could only be him. i definitely agree this idea has some possibility. ive always loved kenpachi and wanted to know more about his zanpakuto...but its filler and i wonder if they would reveal something like that in filler? |
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nyamo said: Kurogashi said: Honestly, who does Byakuya think he is? i lol'd, well byakuya been a troll since the first arc anyway. Nemu drill arm scene is cute |
| ok? kinda interesting .. |
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| Elements release looks so much better to archive than DB Getsuga tensho > heaven shocking lunar fang sorry i had to include that since noone responded to my "lol" screen shot in the first page |
| ARGH! Is it just me or is this arc getting lamer and lamer? It started out so good, and now I find myself bored halfway through the episode. Gah. |
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| well, i didnt read everything in this thread but ive got an idea about what is byakuya doing. what do you think if this whole zanpakatou thing was arranged by muramasa to make shinigami stronger themselves? i mean if shinigami can defeat their zanpakutou they will get stronger, so byakuya has already defeated senbonzakura and understood muramasas plan and he is trying to stop ichigo who is trying to ruin everything (attacking that fat zanpakuto whos name i already forgot, then the when chasing hozukimaru and now when trying to kill weakened muramasa) |
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noteDhero said: LOL. I don't think we're going anywhere, since I don't remember this Aizen and Gin part well, but do remember Byakuya stepping in. I'm thinking it was after (or during) Aizen revealing himself, so they were already enemies. :-) It was a while back for me aswell, but yes it was when Aizen had revealed himself. No idea which ep though.. Algirdyz said: well, i didnt read everything in this thread but ive got an idea about what is byakuya doing. what do you think if this whole zanpakatou thing was arranged by muramasa to make shinigami stronger themselves? i mean if shinigami can defeat their zanpakutou they will get stronger, so byakuya has already defeated senbonzakura and understood muramasas plan and he is trying to stop ichigo who is trying to ruin everything (attacking that fat zanpakuto whos name i already forgot, then the when chasing hozukimaru and now when trying to kill weakened muramasa) That sounds really plausible! Unless Kurosotchi really killed that fat zanpakutou. Probably not though :) |
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Lvhina said: Uh, how exactly? Are they not the same thing?Getsuga tensho > heaven shocking lunar fang |
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| Overall, this was good ep, but it had some SERIOUS imbalances. First of all, ichigo made a lot of progress (well, we can assume that byakuya as well, thus his zanpaktou) but ffs, he could beat byakuya with bankai. Not to mention the Hollow form which supposed to put one WAY ABOVE captain level. So i think i gotta call bullshit on this, and as well as in the main arc where So basicly... Ichigo should be the strongest one, along with Hacchi, and the others. Also. Personally i couldnt care less about Byakuya's motives... the guy is an arrogant pr1ck, and annoyes the hell out of me. I almost choked driking while i saw him threatening Ichigo |
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| i see im not the only person who dislikes dattebayo. i read that press release as i was just as surprised as the technique translation as many people were. that arrogant attitude is going to be their downfall someday, i just wish another sub group would take their place when it happens. |
HB_I_eternity_I said: AnvilMAn said: I wish a quick/ good quality sub would pick this up, I think Eclipse would be good.i see im not the only person who dislikes dattebayo. i read that press release as i was just as surprised as the technique translation as many people were. that arrogant attitude is going to be their downfall someday, i just wish another sub group would take their place when it happens. Eclipse is too busy doing far better shows. |
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HB_I_eternity_I said: AnvilMAn said: I wish a quick/ good quality sub would pick this up, I think Eclipse would be good.i see im not the only person who dislikes dattebayo. i read that press release as i was just as surprised as the technique translation as many people were. that arrogant attitude is going to be their downfall someday, i just wish another sub group would take their place when it happens. lol. If you think Eclipse would sub a show like Bleach, you obviously don't know Eclipse well enough. |
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| Okay episode, it was evident that Ichigo will be the predominant Shinigami to fight Byakuya, so no suprises there. Trying to keep us suprised did not work, as it was imminent Byakuya would intervene, therefore it made unoriginal as always. The animation quality during this episode was not good at all I feel, and the action was what seems to be lazy or saving budget. I guess the next episode will have plenty of dialogue and in depth explanation on Byakuya's rebellion, or starting to consider his "pride". XD |
| Hm. I knew that was Byakuya who attacked Ichigo back then. |
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neutralizer said: HB_I_eternity_I said: AnvilMAn said: I wish a quick/ good quality sub would pick this up, I think Eclipse would be good.i see im not the only person who dislikes dattebayo. i read that press release as i was just as surprised as the technique translation as many people were. that arrogant attitude is going to be their downfall someday, i just wish another sub group would take their place when it happens. lol. If you think Eclipse would sub a show like Bleach, you obviously don't know Eclipse well enough. hey dont look at me i never said eclipse, i actually would prefer them NOT to do it for the reasons stated. |
Sableterra said: It seems to me that EVERYONE has good ideas but it is the idea of "Byakuya's Pride" that is the question. If we could decipher THAT then I assume the story would make sense. A lot of people think that his pride is Rukia, some believe that it is some desire to defeat Ichigo, I myself, believe he is speaking of Hisana -- I think she was his pride and his promise to protect Rukia is his pride. He bends the rules sometime now because with the episodes where he had to decide to keep his promise to his parents (after breaking them for the second time by taking in Rukia), or his promise to Hisana to protect her -- he found that "Rules are not always just" I don't think that it bothers him so to lose a battle -- he has never beat Yourichi and it retrospect he and Ichigo are 1-1 although Ichigo was not worthy (as powerful) at the time. Actually, does anyone know when this Zanpaktou filler takes place (before the fight with Aizen and the Arrancar, or after? I hate when they don't keep things Chronological. No need to analyze really. This is filler. So whatever he says about his pride in this episodes, has no meaning and it's like he never said it. Fillers have thousands of stupidities that conflict with cannon material. Just think of them as a different anime. |
| In this case though, "pride" is something that Byakuya has referred to before in the show. Though you are right that this particular filler could mean something totally different. It's a point of contention that's worth thinking about while watching the filler. |
| Although it's a filler, it's still an anime episode. We can say whatever we want really. This is an anime discussion, not a manga one. As for Byakuya, it's obvious he isn't 'serving' Muramasa. He never said he was to begin with. He's simply not allowing anyone to kill him. And if everyone remembers correctly, Muramasa said himself that he was a Zanpakuto and he killed his master. Now then, Byakuya obviously wouldn't do this unless it benefited him or Soul Society. I'm gonna go with the fact that it has to be something personal. Not that it's the case, but maybe Muramasa belonged to someone Byakuya knew. Just a speculation. I mean, it's Byakuya we're dealing with. He's the side source to a lot of BS and high tension between characters in certain situations. If Muramasa belonged to someone Byakuya knew, then Byakuya is only 'protecting' him to make sure no one else can kill him except for Byakuya. Because Byakuya mentioned his pride, then his pride wouldn't allow someone else to steal his kill. I could be totally off track, but this is what I'm feeling. I'm not supporting Byakuya because he's not a character I like at all, but seriously, some people aren't thinking about his character carefully and are saying he's betraying people and being stupid. There's a reason for everything. It's not betrayal. Far from it I'm sure. |
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BurningEyedShana said: Hm. I knew that was Byakuya who attacked Ichigo back then. I also knew that it was him who attacked Ichigo... But I think there is an alternative motive behind this. I think he has pride but he is just using that as an excuse so he can do something else. What, I'm not sure yet. |
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| stupid byakuya~ |
| LET JUSTICE BE DONE; THOUGH THE HEAVENS MAY FALL |
| LOL .... wow the whole arguement about byakuya .... instead of me being "worried" about his pride..... i'm more interested in how they are going to end this arc becaues i feel the ending coming up within the next 3 episodes (dont quote me on that) |
Kurogashi said: Honestly, who does Byakuya think he is? Hollow Ichigo will eat him up. LOL. Iono where Ichigo was going when he said something like how Senbo+Byakuya will have a chance. My ass. Lol are you stupid, when byakuya has his 2nd stage out, ALL blades can fly at once. He even stated that. But he aint gonna do that because he wants to kill ichigo with his own hand which is what he said wayy back in episode 50 something. Ichigo has never seen to be anything stronger than a rank 6 espada so far, KEEPING his mind sane at the same time. |
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KayChan4U said: As for Byakuya, it's obvious he isn't 'serving' Muramasa. He never said he was to begin with. He's simply not allowing anyone to kill him. And if everyone remembers correctly, Muramasa said himself that he was a Zanpakuto and he killed his master. Now then, Byakuya obviously wouldn't do this unless it benefited him or Soul Society. I'm gonna go with the fact that it has to be something personal. Not that it's the case, but maybe Muramasa belonged to someone Byakuya knew. Just a speculation. I mean, it's Byakuya we're dealing with. He's the side source to a lot of BS and high tension between characters in certain situations. If Muramasa belonged to someone Byakuya knew, then Byakuya is only 'protecting' him to make sure no one else can kill him except for Byakuya. Because Byakuya mentioned his pride, then his pride wouldn't allow someone else to steal his kill. I could be totally off track, but this is what I'm feeling. I'm not supporting Byakuya because he's not a character I like at all, but seriously, some people aren't thinking about his character carefully and are saying he's betraying people and being stupid. There's a reason for everything. It's not betrayal. Far from it I'm sure. rofl. you actually took that seriously. ofc he didnt betray or smth, its just FUNNY that they put byakuya in a role such as this one.... lol they tried to make the filler more interesting though they failed. it was unoriginal. |
Sami092 said: The animation quality during this episode was not good at all I feel, and the action was what seems to be lazy or saving budget. XD Exactly. |
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| Just a random plot line thrown in as an excuse for Ichigo and Byakuya to fight...not that I'm complaining about a possible fight between them ^_^ |
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| WHAT THE FUCK IS BYAKUYA DOING?!?!?!?! |
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| I loved this EP! we finally saw byakuya, c'mon it was quite a predictable thing that he had joined forces with senbonsakura and would opose to someone meanwhile... --' why's everyone so surprised. As for his motivation, i believe it's his pride indeed, because it suits the character. but he didn't say what was the relation between saving muramasa and saving his pride. i believe that he will protect him until he needs him alive, them he'll let ichigo kick someone ass or something like that. |
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| Not a bad collection of fillers. The story is really shallow and gives lots of time for short heated battles. The character dev for Toshiro was awesome for me last episode. As for Byakuya's motivation I agree that he has figured out Murumasas' history/plan. It seems he (Murumasa) is being controlled by some monster. The body itself is what Byakuya desires to save I'm guessing. Probably the zanpakutou of a friend or deceased relative. |
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