Maridiama said: what do you mean by "the only original part"? elaborate it! >:(Nym_ said: can't really enjoy SV tbh. the core of suikoden storytelling was never about the power struggle between aristocrats (play SI, SII, SIII, SIV). Suikoden story is not magic-oriented (although SIII story looks like it revolves around the 5 true runes before you unlock the Luc's route). in SV the 3 runes (Sun, Dawn, Twilight) becomes the main plot. every party involved in SV fight for the power of true runes. worse even, the hero party want the rune to rebuild their aristocracy! we can clearly see this from the design of SV strategist, Lucretia, which is basically the female version of Kong Ming. it's one of heroes in Romance of Three Kingdoms novel. read Romance of Three Kingdoms novel and then play Suikoden V. i'm sure you will find the nuance is very very very very very very similar. that's why i always think that SV is a hybrid between Water Margin and Romance of Three Kingdoms ._. Well, suikoden II is considered to be the best game in the series yet has so many topos in its story, I really do wonder why nobody ever brings up the fact that the only original part of the game is the part before jowy makes the most predictable assassination ever and suddenly becomes evil. |
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Nym_ said: Maridiama said: what do you mean by "the only original part"? elaborate it! >:(Well, suikoden II is considered to be the best game in the series yet has so many topos in its story, I really do wonder why nobody ever brings up the fact that the only original part of the game is the part before jowy makes the most predictable assassination ever and suddenly becomes evil. After the prologue the rest of the game is your standard 'child with rival friend' story. I mean, how many movie have you seen where there are two friends/brothers who suddenly find themselves in a rivalry? I know suikoden was already "written", like, there's a source material out there, but the way the story plays out is both predictable and has that certain 'I've already seen this somewhere else' feel to it. The part of the story that felt most interesting was the start where there's no evil Jowy and you get baited into believing this is going to be an army's story just like the first game was. But honestly, I just really dislike how the 'child with rival friend' topos was executed; if you want a better example of this type of story I'd recommend to play Mother 3 |
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Maridiama said: I was known as diamantico21 :p (good old name from 2016) but only @shinah remembers me. Current name is an hybrid between 'diama' and 'mari'. good old times i miss 2016 |
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Maridiama said: have you seen movie where both parties alive in the end? have you seen movie where vampires play a major role in a political power struggle between nations? have you seen a movie where academics and soldiers join together to defend a city? i can continue if you want though. Nym_ said: what do you mean by "the only original part"? elaborate it! >:( After the prologue the rest of the game is your standard 'child with rival friend' story. I mean, how many movie have you seen where there are two friends/brothers who suddenly find themselves in a rivalry? my point is, there are so many motives and stories within Suikoden II. it's about friendship, love, betrayal, ninjas, dragons, magic, vampires, politics, human psyche, heroism, wars, harvesting, cooking, etc. which is no other games has ever invented in the game. most RPG games usually cover only one or two of these motives. the good thing is, player can enjoy the stories even though there are many of them at their own pace, we're not forced to hunting for rare items or to finish a specific quest like other RPG games. it's purely about storytelling. |
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| i confess, i think it's okay-ish to post such thing here ._. |
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Nym_ said: have you seen movie where both parties alive in the end? No, but that doesn't mean that Jowy's 'oh no I've killed hundres but you still forgive me' moment is executed better or really had any emotional impact on me. have you seen movie where vampires play a major role in a political power struggle between nations? No, but I've played my fare share of D&D and I've played deeper story than this. Also the inclusion of vampire is really swallow and don't do any justice to the traditional figure of the vampire. have you seen a movie where academics and soldiers join together to defend a city? i can continue if you want though. Actually I've never seen a story where no strategic mind is able to successfully defend a city by brute force so I wonder if the inclusion of accademics is what made it so special. my point is, there are so many motives and stories within Suikoden II. it's about friendship But friendship is an overused topic and Suikoden doesn't do anything new with it. love Same as before. betrayal Same. ninjas What about them? They aren't even a topic, just a bunch of people who exist to make the political conflict more interesting. dragons Zzzzz. magic But magic is not even explored. vampires already talked about these ones. politics agree, Suikoden II's best part is the politics and how good the lore is. human psyche Meh, the characters are quite barebone ngl. heroism Heroism, Friendship, Love, Hate, Enemies... wait, is this a shonen anime? wars again, war is treated quite shallowly harvesting, cooking, etc. which is no other games has ever invented in the game. most RPG games usually cover only one or two of these motives. People usually praise quality over quantity. Suikoden II doesn't really do anything new with all these topics and it's just an amalgamation of already seen stuff. What it does best is lore tied to politics, but that's just a fragment of the game (maybe a bigger fragment of the story, but the characters are barely explored when it comes to political views). If you want a game that does a lot of topics and explores them in new way then play xenogears. Let's see what they have: war, violence, psyche, god, morality, nobility, caste, love, cognition, mechas, history, world orded, incest, racism, family, purpose, life, friendship. the good thing is, player can enjoy the stories even though there are many of them at their own pace, we're not forced to hunting for rare items or to finish a specific quest like other RPG games. it's purely about storytelling. Same thing about Mother 3 and Xenogears. Actually gonna insert Xenosaga here as well since it's quite known to be a game mostly about the story. |
๐๐จ๐ฅ๐ ๐ฆ๐ฒ ๐ก๐๐ง๐ ๐๐ง๐ ๐ญ๐๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ฆ๐ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ฌ๐ก๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ก, ๐ฆ๐๐ค๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ข๐ฌ ๐๐ซ๐๐๐ฆ ๐ง๐๐ฏ๐๐ซ๐๐ง๐๐ข๐ง๐ . |
| Today for a first time I mad 2 things . I paid to a (I don't know how to call it in english but to a visit a woman who can say the future by cards etc. etc. ) I am just interested what she will say so that's why I only once paid for it. Also for the first time I today want to drink alcohol ( Normally my friend say to come to drink and after 4-th shot I want to drink , but today I want to drink , even when I was sober ) |
| Not to be racist or anything but I don't like tomatoes. |
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| I like to sing Queen songs vey often when im alone, or with others when im drunk. |
~I am just one sadist who supports friends~  |
Kirena said: I know right?!the koreaboo is creepy |
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| goodnight I hope someone steals @joohyunbae from me |
   ~ this night has opened my eyes and I will never sleep again the dream has gone ~ |
| who are you |
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| I confess I should have been sleeping 3-4 hours ago and I will go to sleep now. Even though I really don't fucking want it, but tomorrow work start freaking early and it won't be a short day... |
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| i know you were up cuz me! that's so sweet |
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| i don't know what sleep is anymore |
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Goodnight I mean, she can be my 6th waifu if she wants I support her rap career after all |
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| i work a lot and game even harder |
 "I wish I was sober to feel the pain So many dark days I can’t explain" -----  -----My Sigs MAL Interview |
| the new movie version of sonic is gonna give me nightmares for days |
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| Ahhh, that password change from May or smth Well I mean, you can always recover your account via email Unless you wish to quit mal for good |
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Kirena said: I should just give up on leaving Mal maybe, I know someday I'll eventually get bored of this place and leave everyone goes through waves, sometimes a break is needed |
"I wish I was sober to feel the pain So many dark days I can’t explain" ----- -----My Sigs MAL Interview |
| Whatever you feel like ; if you feel like leaving would be the best option, then do it If you don't have anyone you'll miss, that is |
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| I don't know. This thing always pull me right back. And I don't want to leave it or be left by it. Some people wouldn't like it, some people would want to leave it, but I wouldn't be myself without you. Please never leave me. Self-talk. |
| What a fucking terrible day. Gotta fix a small problem that occured on the car today and then on top of that I left the lights on for two hours while at the gym, completely killing the battery that i replaced just a fucking week ago. Long story short, I had to jump start the car on 3 separate occasion. One bullshit event led to another, but thankfully I made it home. Now I have a big ass headache from having to deal with all this bullshit. Whatever. On the bright side, I have warranty on the battery ๐ |
Happy Halloween  |
| CaRs ArE CoOl |
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Maridiama said: I was known as diamantico21 :p (good old name from 2016) but only @shinah remembers me. Current name is an hybrid between 'diama' and 'mari'. D, I confess. |
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| your waifu will never be real |
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graveyard-shift said: Goodnight I mean, she can be my 6th waifu if she wants I support her rap career after all @joohyunbae oof can you let this chance slide? Also are you a good rapper :eyes: |
~ this night has opened my eyes and I will never sleep again the dream has gone ~ |
Kirena said: I think mal is a circus in general and FG is a family, a weird family Fg sure is full of incest. |
๐๐จ๐ฅ๐ ๐ฆ๐ฒ ๐ก๐๐ง๐ ๐๐ง๐ ๐ญ๐๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ฆ๐ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ฌ๐ก๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ก, ๐ฆ๐๐ค๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ข๐ฌ ๐๐ซ๐๐๐ฆ ๐ง๐๐ฏ๐๐ซ๐๐ง๐๐ข๐ง๐ . |
:'/ Too bad he's taken. |
๐๐จ๐ฅ๐ ๐ฆ๐ฒ ๐ก๐๐ง๐ ๐๐ง๐ ๐ญ๐๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ฆ๐ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ฌ๐ก๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ก, ๐ฆ๐๐ค๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ข๐ฌ ๐๐ซ๐๐๐ฆ ๐ง๐๐ฏ๐๐ซ๐๐ง๐๐ข๐ง๐ . |
| I confess that it seems you changed your name again? |
Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm unshippable. D: |
๐๐จ๐ฅ๐ ๐ฆ๐ฒ ๐ก๐๐ง๐ ๐๐ง๐ ๐ญ๐๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ฆ๐ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ฌ๐ก๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ก, ๐ฆ๐๐ค๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ข๐ฌ ๐๐ซ๐๐๐ฆ ๐ง๐๐ฏ๐๐ซ๐๐ง๐๐ข๐ง๐ . |
Mimu is also... Already taken. :'/ |
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