| Reasons other than the necessity for Raphtalia and Filo to play an important role. I mean logically, wouldn't it hurt for him to just hit someone upside the head with his shield? Maybe he could strangle someone with the rope shield? It seems like kind of an unnecessary advantage, like whenever he has nobody fighting for him his offensive ability is reduced to balloons. |
| I could agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong. |
Aniteku said: Because his attack power in stats are 0 even if he punch someone in the face only the impact force would count but has for pain the enemy wont feel nothing. Is like in an rpg were all your attacks only do 1 dmg also his shield will force him to drop any tool he wields if he try to attempt to use it for attaking. Only way for him to do dmg is with counterattack skill shields like the 2 headed dog shield from ep 4 I'm not asking for the reason his attacks do no damage, I'm asking why they *shouldn't* do any damage. Why was it necessary for him to have zero attack ability when it would be perfectly sensible for a person with a shield to be able to attack things with it? A shield could also be a blunt force weapon. |
| I could agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong. |
| I think the purpose of the shield is to symbolize his specialty in defense, with the rope shield being a utility. It's like one of those thing where you specialize in something so much that you sacrifice everything else to become good at that one trait. |
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NbQuil said: I think the purpose of the shield is to symbolize his specialty in defense, with the rope shield being a utility. It's like one of those thing where you specialize in something so much that you sacrifice everything else to become good at that one trait. But he's essentially forced to specialize in defense, with the inability to use any other weapon or deal damage with a shield, which many other shield using comic characters can do. Like Captain America. Considering the Sword Hero and Spear Hero can defend strikes with their weapons AND attack, it's just unfair to the Shield Hero that he can only defend. |
| I could agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong. |
DarkSyndicate said: NbQuil said: I think the purpose of the shield is to symbolize his specialty in defense, with the rope shield being a utility. It's like one of those thing where you specialize in something so much that you sacrifice everything else to become good at that one trait. But he's essentially forced to specialize in defense, with the inability to use any other weapon or deal damage with a shield, which many other shield using comic characters can do. Like Captain America. Considering the Sword Hero and Spear Hero can defend strikes with their weapons AND attack, it's just unfair to the Shield Hero that he can only defend. Its contrived but a good setup for entertaining situations. |
DarkSyndicate said: NbQuil said: I think the purpose of the shield is to symbolize his specialty in defense, with the rope shield being a utility. It's like one of those thing where you specialize in something so much that you sacrifice everything else to become good at that one trait. But he's essentially forced to specialize in defense, with the inability to use any other weapon or deal damage with a shield, which many other shield using comic characters can do. Like Captain America. Considering the Sword Hero and Spear Hero can defend strikes with their weapons AND attack, it's just unfair to the Shield Hero that he can only defend. But as opposed to the other heros, he has shield abilities such as raising pets/slaves that other heros don't have. It's like playing as a summoner/necromancer in an RPG. They don't have that much attack power by themselves, but they can get the power from elsewhere. And if you are familiar with RPGs at all, you don't have to specialize in summoners to summon pets, they just won't be as powerful. So in this case, the shield is essentially the "summoner" in the party, so while he may not be very powerful by himself, the shield compensate him sufficiently, imo, by giving him ability to raise the stat on his pet/slave. |
| WHEN IT RAINS, IT POURS. |
| He can't attack using his shield...yet. |
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DarkSyndicate said: Reasons other than the necessity for Raphtalia and Filo to play an important role. I mean logically, wouldn't it hurt for him to just hit someone upside the head with his shield? Maybe he could strangle someone with the rope shield? It seems like kind of an unnecessary advantage, like whenever he has nobody fighting for him his offensive ability is reduced to balloons. It's RPG setting, he's attacking points with Shield is literally close to zero. He can't hurt even regualr soldier with normal attacks. He can do a few tricks, but that's about it. |
Devil_SlayerFeb 16, 2019 12:55 AM
Devil_Slayer said: DarkSyndicate said: Reasons other than the necessity for Raphtalia and Filo to play an important role. I mean logically, wouldn't it hurt for him to just hit someone upside the head with his shield? Maybe he could strangle someone with the rope shield? It seems like kind of an unnecessary advantage, like whenever he has nobody fighting for him his offensive ability is reduced to balloons. It's RPG setting, he's attacking points with Shield is literally close to zero. He can't hurt even regualr soldier with normal attacks. He can do a few tricks, but that's about it. Yeah, I know that much. If he does an attack that should do damage the attack points would be next to nothing. I'm questioning why he was made to be that weak, and maybe how plausible it is for him to gain the ability to attack with the shield |
| I could agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong. |
NbQuil said: DarkSyndicate said: But he's essentially forced to specialize in defense, with the inability to use any other weapon or deal damage with a shield, which many other shield using comic characters can do. Like Captain America. Considering the Sword Hero and Spear Hero can defend strikes with their weapons AND attack, it's just unfair to the Shield Hero that he can only defend. But as opposed to the other heros, he has shield abilities such as raising pets/slaves that other heros don't have. It's like playing as a summoner/necromancer in an RPG. They don't have that much attack power by themselves, but they can get the power from elsewhere. And if you are familiar with RPGs at all, you don't have to specialize in summoners to summon pets, they just won't be as powerful. So in this case, the shield is essentially the "summoner" in the party, so while he may not be very powerful by himself, the shield compensate him sufficiently, imo, by giving him ability to raise the stat on his pet/slave. Well I'm not arguing against what his shield does for him. I just think it would make sense if shield attacks could have some kind of offensive utility. |
| I could agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong. |
DarkSyndicate said: Devil_Slayer said: It's RPG setting, he's attacking points with Shield is literally close to zero. He can't hurt even regualr soldier with normal attacks. He can do a few tricks, but that's about it. Yeah, I know that much. If he does an attack that should do damage the attack points would be next to nothing. I'm questioning why he was made to be that weak, and maybe how plausible it is for him to gain the ability to attack with the shield He can still use counter attacks and use some tricks so it's not like he's completely helpless. |
| Because he has a fully dedicated support role? |
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| Because it's not his strongest asset. Like even if he seems able to attack (and he is, to a level), Raphtalia and Firo are just much better than him at it. While his defense on the contrary is much better. I don't know how is the show intended to develop this but this attack/defense compensation with the other members of his group is something I do like and find interesting. |
| The author said that Naofumi was inspired on the shield build for Ragnarok online's crusaders. The shield build have some shield attacks but doing very low damage and are more for utility (Smash with your shield in order to stun, or use CC cards that procs when you use shield boomerang). Ragnarok online's crusader also have auras and high defense. Those auras give them a special parry, damage reduction and reflect damage as a counter attack. Their main skill is devotion, they take the party members damage (for example if a monster is attacking a party member, you are taking that damage in order to protect him). Anyways, this build full support, you are dealing more damage with basic swordman (first class) skills than crusader shield skills (evolution). |
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Lex4709 said: DarkSyndicate said: yeah I think that's the point; Shield Hero is suppose to be a underdog; so the story is unfairer to him than to the other Heroes. And it's the gaming machinics that play a part; because the world is based on a game, it's game logic not real life logic. He does heat some monsters with his shield and that does nothing, which in the real world it would. wrong quote lol (you deleted an extra [/quote] at the end), but true. Plus, it probably wouldn't be nearly as interesting if the shield's defense is op AND he gets to attack. |
| WHEN IT RAINS, IT POURS. |
| Think of game logic rather than physics logic - shields are not used for attacks in 99% of the games |
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| I dont even know what the fuck we're supposed to be talking about? I dont even this show.... but op is right. I mean There actually is a shield bash skill where in equipping a shield lets you smash it over a opponents skull, there's also shield charge, they used it in 300 too, and shield boomrang for low/limited range. also heavier the shield, the better it hurts. ragnarok online/animation uzee said: shields are not used for attacks in 99% of the games 99% of games dont have shields anyway also skyrim. |
KuroudoAkabane said: I dont even know what the fuck we're supposed to be talking about? I dont even this show.... but op is right. I mean There actually is a shield bash skill where in equipping a shield lets you smash it over a opponents skull, there's also shield charge, they used it in 300 too, and shield boomrang for low/limited range. also heavier the shield, the better it hurts. ragnarok online/animation uzee said: shields are not used for attacks in 99% of the games 99% of games dont have shields anyway also skyrim. Naofumi use shield charge during the lance hero's duel (That attack where the lance hero was stunned), is a low damage close range skill that causes stun and knockback. There is not such skill as Shield Bash in Ragnarok Online (I think you are thinking of Tree of Savior's Rodelero or RO2 Crusader here). He also uses shield boomerang. Naofumi using his version of shield boomerang Neofumi using his verison of shield charge |
kofmasterFeb 19, 2019 7:26 AM
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uzee said: Think of game logic rather than physics logic - shields are not used for attacks in 99% of the games Shields seemed super effective in Dark Souls 3 |
| I could agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong. |
| Its an rpg, thats the premise of this anime. Shiels are not uswd for attacking generally |
| He actually can attack if you remember the two dog head shield. But until he ups his levels is limited. Also since the shield is defensive its attack is much lower than expected for its level. |
Killuan said: Shields were used to attack in history. I remember the viking spiked shield.Its an rpg, thats the premise of this anime. Shiels are not uswd for attacking generally |
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nbq said: I think the purpose of the shield is to symbolize his specialty in defense, with the rope shield being a utility. It's like one of those thing where you specialize in something so much that you sacrifice everything else to become good at that one trait. Tanks in MOBAs and MMORPGs specialize in defense, but they still have some offensive capabilities. nbq said: DarkSyndicate said: But he's essentially forced to specialize in defense, with the inability to use any other weapon or deal damage with a shield, which many other shield using comic characters can do. Like Captain America. Considering the Sword Hero and Spear Hero can defend strikes with their weapons AND attack, it's just unfair to the Shield Hero that he can only defend. But as opposed to the other heros, he has shield abilities such as raising pets/slaves that other heros don't have. It's like playing as a summoner/necromancer in an RPG. They don't have that much attack power by themselves, but they can get the power from elsewhere. And if you are familiar with RPGs at all, you don't have to specialize in summoners to summon pets, they just won't be as powerful. So in this case, the shield is essentially the "summoner" in the party, so while he may not be very powerful by himself, the shield compensate him sufficiently, imo, by giving him ability to raise the stat on his pet/slave. This is flat out wrong... A summoner actually has their own power. Like in FF14. The scholar (healing summoner) and arcanist (attack summoner) have their own power, their pets just add to it. Like the scholar has a fairy that can heal an entire group and reduce the damage they take. The scholar can also jeal their allies, however, their healing is not as strong as a white mage because they have a fairy that heals. The arcanist is the dps version of a scholar where they have a pet that attacks. They can do spells themselves, but their pet adds to it. LelouchXLuluko said: Because he has a fully dedicated support role? Show me any fucking game where a support, tank, or healer does not damage at all. I'll fucking wait. Dr_Someone said: He doesn't need to. ??? |
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