cannot watch this anime properly because of...

Stoorainclaire said:
goblin....

is there anyone with me...?
don't get me wrong...ofcourse i still enjoy it, but when I saw goblin in this anime, some scene cross my mind and i can't help it to get distracted by it...(u know what i mean) XP

Stoorainclaire said:
goblin....

is there anyone with me...?
don't get me wrong...ofcourse i still enjoy it, but when I saw goblin in this anime, some scene cross my mind and i can't help it to get distracted by it...(u know what i mean) XP

BlakexEkalb said:
I don't understand why people are so disgusted by the Goblin Slayer scene. Don't get me wrong, the scene portrays horrid actions, but it's the same as murder and torture. Media is getting desensitized to think torture and murder and not on equal footing to rape, which they 100% are.

nina444 said:


psychopath detected

BlakexEkalb said:


I'm not saying the scene isn't bad, because it is. I'm saying how everyone is trying to place murder and torture below rape and not on equal footing. They are all equally horrible.

BlakexEkalb said:


I'm not saying the scene isn't bad, because it is. I'm saying how everyone is trying to place murder and torture below rape and not on equal footing. They are all equally horrible.

nina444 said:


that's exactly what a psycho would say, u know that scene is bad but u failed to comprehend the gravity of that scene .

let me ask u a question which one is worse? murder or rape?

Grey-Zone said:

Interesting that you bring this up. I made a thread in AD a while ago, where I ask something similar, in this case why rape from Goblin Slayer is so senstive, but childmurder in Slime (EP7) is not considered a big deal:

https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1751233

You might get some insight by going through this thread. Unfortunately much of it is just "omg another GS thread!".

BlakexEkalb said:


Yeah I remeber seeing that thread. Also, there was child murder in That Time I Got Reincarnated as a Slime? I must've forgotten or something.

BlakexEkalb said:


I'd say they are both equally the same. Murder takes away someone's life, rape scars them for life. One is unable to get a second life, the other is forced to be traumatized for life. You could say rape leads to murder, but then that just intertwines the two.

Grey-Zone said:

The young girl and the fox that got burned to death by Ifrit.

nina444 said:


I don't think they're equal tho , rape is at least a dozen times worse .

death is easy. once you're ded, end story .
life is hard. it's already hard enough even without this a whole being raped mumbo jombo .

you're clearly a psycho , thus you're incapable of feeling empathy whatsoever .

nina444 said:


I don't think they're equal tho , rape is at least a dozen times worse .

death is easy. once you're ded, end story .
life is hard. it's already hard enough even without this a whole being raped mumbo jombo .

you're clearly a psycho , thus you're incapable of feeling empathy whatsoever .

Grey-Zone said:

"This is a work of fiction. Any relation to real life people, locations and brand names are coincidental."

nina444 said:


Im well aware of that, let me put this way then, @BlakexEkalb fiction-self is a phycho .

BlakexEkalb said:


You're proving my point. Society has become numb to murder, that is why when someone hears it they say "Oh that's sad" and move on. If someone hears "Girl gets raped" people get extremely empathetic and are all over it. That shows that people in modern day are becoming callous to what is at the same level of evil. It'a how you view it, as we seem to see it differently. I find value in every single human life, thus I see death as a horrible scenario. I also see rape as just as bad, as it can completely corrupt a person, but it could be fixed through therapy and time. So naturally people may even say rape isn't as bad as death, I however see them both as equals.

nina444 said:


I wouldn't call it numb to murder, rape is in fact worse than murder after all . once again rape n murder ain't equal .

a certain psycho bone daddy once told me that murder is considered as mercy .

nina444 said:


Im well aware of that, let me put this way then, @BlakexEkalb fiction-self is a phycho .

Grey-Zone said:

So if I pierced a drawing of a humanoid being right in the space between the legs, it would make my fiction-self a rapist, while if I pierced my pencil through anywhere else on that drawing, my fiction-self would merely be considered a street slasher?

BlakexEkalb said:


You're proving my point. Society has become numb to murder, that is why when someone hears it they say "Oh that's sad" and move on. If someone hears "Girl gets raped" people get extremely empathetic and are all over it. That shows that people in modern day are becoming callous to what is at the same level of evil. It'a how you view it, as we seem to see it differently. I find value in every single human life, thus I see death as a horrible scenario. I also see rape as just as bad, as it can completely corrupt a person, but it could be fixed through therapy and time. So naturally people may even say rape isn't as bad as death, I however see them both as equals.

BlakexEkalb said:
I don't understand why people are so disgusted by the Goblin Slayer scene. Don't get me wrong, the scene portrays horrid actions, but it's the same as murder and torture. Media is getting desensitized to think torture and murder and not on equal footing to rape, which they 100% are.

nina444 said:


I forgot to mention it earlier.
have you heard this thing called, "the dead tell no tales" ?
if they could talk, Im pretty sure they'd love death more than rape .

xxdarkknightxx12 said:


People who get offended by goblin slayer are hilarious. Is that seriously one of the most distressing things they've seen in their lives??? I personally found goblin slayer more funny than dark lmao

nina444 said:


I bet you must've watched enough hentai to..
nevermind

xxdarkknightxx12 said:


Why do you associate rape with hentai? Does that mean you think rape is suppose to be sexually arousing? That's a weird fetish but don't worry, I don't judge :)

BlakexEkalb said:


Lets call it a day.

BlakexEkalb said:


I'm not saying the scene isn't bad, because it is. I'm saying how everyone is trying to place murder and torture below rape and not on equal footing. They are all equally horrible.

xxdarkknightxx12 said:


Why do you associate rape with hentai? Does that mean you think rape is suppose to be sexually arousing? That's a weird fetish but don't worry, I don't judge :)

papsoshea said:
[...]
But in fiction, I think the reason that rape is considered a more sensitive subject (In reality, it is a complex issue) than murder comes from the fact that there are situations where a person might be justified in taking a life. Of course, this is a very difficult standard to fulfil, but there are cases where it is at least arguable that killing was justified. For rape, however, there is no conceivable justification. Never has anyone raped in self-defence.
[...]

papsoshea said:
I understand in the story that they have to use females from other races to procreate since they are all males, but that's the Thermian Fallacy! I'm asking specifically the logic behind this from a meta point of view. The author made them beings of pure evil to cause chaos and pain but gives them the glaring oversight of needing other race's females to reproduce.

And from a serious narrative point of view, this only serves as a way to make goblins seem bad, e.g. Goblins is bad, rape is bad, so goblins rape. If the dark elements could be removed and the story would be exactly the same, then those elements probably shouldn’t be included in the first place. No matter what way you slice it, this point falls under this.

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Grey-Zone said:

As absurd as it sounds, the Goblins in Goblin Slayer, due to their species characteristic, have a neccessity to breed with other species to maintain their species and they lack any charm to do so consensually. In other words, for their species to survive, they need to rape. Though it's from a collectivist viewpoint rather than an individualistic one, this makes the reasoning for Goblins having to commit rape, which is to keep their species living, quite similar to self-defense, which is doing harm to keep oneself from being harmed.

Of course, for the targets of this rape and their respective species, the Goblins are a race that are nothing but parasites that deserve complete annihilation, but objectively speaking the Goblins are only doing it for the survival of their species, not for luxurious pleasure.

papsoshea said:
You're not understanding the thermian argument at all.

andya34 said:
I think you need to go to a doctor. First of all, what they are doing is no similiar to self-defense. There is a need to do in self-defense whereas what goblins doing is indeed for luxurious pleasure. Did you really think they care about their child or survival of their species? No, they don't care shit about it. If they cared about their survival, they wouldn't mindlessly fight with humans that are several times stronger than them. As for their family, there are bunch of families in a goblin nest though every single goblin doesn't give shit about each others life.

andya34 said:
Even if they cared about their survival and longevity of their species, it's not considered as justification to rape someone. It's simply considered as cruel act.

papsoshea said:
No, what I'm saying is, it is perfectly fine to criticize the author on his reasoning for including rape because, from a meta point of view, it's just there to vilify the goblins "Goblins is bad, rape is bad, so goblins rape." - The reasoning making 'sense' is beside the point, It’s making the world artificially darker for no reason other than being edgy.

"If the dark elements could be removed and the story would be exactly the same, then those elements probably shouldn’t be included in the first place."

We don’t need this show to shout “look how disturbing this is” in our faces to have a reaction. Doing so is weak execution that doesn’t place enough faith in its audience. The writing is very bad here.

The original post of mine was referring to rape in general fiction. The video alone was for Goblin Slayer.

So there's a bad habit people have gotten into. It's nothing new, but it's become more and more common. It goes like this:

Critic: Hello. This is Folding Ideas. I recently watched the anime Women Getting Ripped Apart by Orcs and was, you know, disturbed by the seeming perverse glee the way the show takes the frequent and excessive dismemberment of its female cast members. In fact, the entire purpose of the show seems to be little more than showing women being brutally violated by orcs. Minor characters with little plot significance are often subjected to two or three minute sequences that focus on almost pornographic lens on their suffering and the enjoyment the orcs take in the process.

The Angry Gamesmasher: Dan Olsen is wrong to complain. If he thinks this is a big deal, then he clearly wasn't paying attention. The orcs were created by the dreadgod hatsul light. The dreadgod wanted an army that would rape and shred its way across the land of Thilul. So the orcs aren't just violent for no reason. They are compelled to be violent. It all makes sense if you were paying attention to the backstory.

This is becoming a pretty familiar exchange over the last few years and the base components are this: One, some elment of the anime or video game is criticized. Usually for racism or sexism. Two, fans defend it by citing in-universe reasons for why the world of the text is the way that it is.

Here's the problem: fictional worlds aren't real and are eternally mutable by creators. They are the sum of a giant pile of creative decisions made by one, two, a dozen, a hundred different individuals who took it from blank page to finished product. The only reason anything is the way that it is is because a writer chose to make it that way.

The diegetic argument aims to dismiss criticism at its cores, suggesting that there aren't any problems with the text provided controversial elements are internally consistent with the rest of the story world. In slang terms, this can be referred to as the Thermian Argument. In the sci-fi classic Galaxy Quest, the Thermians don't understand fiction as a concept. It doesn't exist in their language, and thus they see all texts as historical documents.

While not identical, the root figure of thought is similar here. The diegesis is given primacy over the text as a cultural product. The exact rational behind a Thermian argument may even be contradictory from one case to another. One medieval game with dragons and magic and no one with brown skin is fine as-is because "historical accuracy." In a different medieval game a character wears a chainmail bikini to a warzone because it's just a fantasy and "That's just how her tribe dresses." You cannot criticize the world because that's just the way the world is.

This is a deeply flawed argument because, once again, fictional worlds aren't real and are eternally mutable by creators. None of it actually exists. The only part that does exist is the finished text and the idea that it represents.

It's dropped in the sense that it's not a plot point worth talking about. And even then if the author did it would just call into question why Goblins aren't considered a bigger threat since they would primarily contest humanity as a whole. I never bought the whole "goblins are less important than Liches" angle because the main setting of the story is so far divorced from all those other, bigger threats, that goblins should basically be public enemy #1.

The concept is interesting "what if we told a story from the perspective of a background character" is a novel idea. But the execution has the setting bending over backwards to make Goblins some major threat relative to everywhere the titular character exists instead of being the nuisance they are told to be. Mostly by having people just behave completely unrealistic in the face of the danger they actually present. I've only read the first novel but the starting setting is a frontier so far away from the actual front-line of fighting that they don't even get news of the demon lord's defeat for a couple days. If Goblins are the most prevalent attacking force to the point that the Guild officials are stated to actually want a dedicated goblin extermination force I ask the following questions:

-Why do goblin quests keep getting handed off to complete newbies who by the stories own admission; will fail 3/4 times on average
-Why don't goblin slaying quests get subsidized by the guild if they know low pay from the requester is the reason more capable adventurers don't take them
-Related to the previous point, how do these poor villages also manage to pay for troll exterminations or other higher ranking monsters if they are too poor to get decent adventurers for goblin slaying with their existing funds?
-Why is Goblin slayer unique in having a grudge against Goblins to the point that he's studied them?
-How come it's not more common knowledge of Goblin attack patterns if they are so frequent?

There are more I could consider but the end result of these questions is a story where it's frustrating to think about how the fictional world operates because it's missing any underlying logic to it. Not exactly good storytelling and it's just another example of an incredibly mediocre story getting pushed to the forefront (with two manga adaptations and an upcoming anime).

The novel also state that the Guild recognizes goblins are a threat and want a direct counter to them. So why haven't they instated any policies that would help like banning the lowest ranking people from taking these jobs or even just giving basic training themselves? Why wait until the Main character shows up and basically introduces some common sense policies? Because this story is about making the guy who is supposed to be unremarkable remarkable by virtue of everyone else being less intelligent than he is.

What does this even mean? When did Isekai become synonymous with the main character being a bit more clever than others? I know that's pretty much the brunt of the average fantasy isekai do just that but come on. If anything GS as a series doubles down on the notion that in order to make your main character seem extraordinary, you have to surround them with people who are incapable of understanding anything. To the points that fame, glory, and being recognized trumps wearing a goddam helmet in a world where headshots are lethal. Goblin slayer is some regular fantasy series with some very light tabletop RPG trappings in the background. It's not reinventing any wheel.

It's just the kind of poorly thought out fantasy that seems to permeate Light Novels. The kind that raises questions in the opening chapters that I would argue break the logic of the premise and setting when asked. And holes that can only be filled by insane theories and a lot of good will towards the authors intentions or finesse as a writer.

Take for intance the anecdote at the end of this first episode. It's supposed to be a common story that groups of adventurer's will die to goblins, and maybe. maybe someone lives either with injury or more likely, being a rape victim. And they get sent off to some monastery for healing. I have a question:
-If this is so common a story, why isn't the true threat of goblins more known among regular citizens and adventurers alike?
-You would think having hundreds (and I do mean hundreds) of victims of goblin attacks and failed extermination missions would be something that spreads around.
-Why does the priestess not know firsthand the horrors of a goblin attack when logically any church she works at should have encountered these survivors?
-Why does the guild not have a stronger policy on who can take on jobs? The guild clerk clearly tried to turn them to other jobs more suited to beginners?
(this has an answer, it's not a good one mind you)
-Why does nobody just have a casual understanding of a monster that the LN does state is a fairly common request to the guild? Do people not know that goblins can organize and use traps and tools?
-Why didn't that guild clerk have the authority to deny them the job if she knows they will most likely die?

And that is just the first episode/Chapter. Every single storyline brings forth more questions that makes you wonder if the author put any thought into his worldbuilding. Which just means that I will have to think about it more than they might have trying to reconcile this terrible story. But I'd argue he didn't because the story is about Goblin Slayer, the self proclaimed "not the real hero of the story" character on account of the 'true' hero being a character who is off-screen fighting in the war with the demon king.

But if the world treated Goblins like the threat they are, and this more applies to the frontier of the 1st volume which I assume will comprise the entire first season, than it wouldn't be any different than how the Europeans treated Gray Wolves. Which means Goblin Slayer wouldn't really be some outstanding character with this highly specialized knowledge, he would truly just be one of many guys who hunt down goblins for a living.

Interesting. But GS doesn't even pass the Diogenic argument that "that's how their world operates" because their world is idiotic!

As Brought mentioned, grey wolves were depopulated from Europe not because they took our women but because they took some of our sheep. And if we look at cultures dealing with "savage" peoples, they're never slight. China's whole foreign policy was focused on keeping steppe nomads (that were pretty well known for stealing womenfolk, Temujin's wife was kidnapped and returned pregnant) at bay. They had buffer states, they had other tribes on payroll as mercenary armies. They had fortresses, and later, the Great Wall just to keep this dangerous society at bay. If this was a rational universe, there would be reasons that goblins are a threat:
-They're opressively taxed by the mainland, restricting military support available
-They ARE the buffer state, and are meant to take the beating
-Goblins haven't been spotted in centuries, and are considered fiction.
-Can't talk about the dark ones. Religious information quarantine. I saw this firsthand, grandparents thought if you named devilry, you invited it.
-The Empire fell. Armies that kept others at bay are disbanded/marauding/joined evil.

None of this exists in GS. There's vague talk of a "greater evil" but who gives a flying fuck about that shit? It's completely irrelevant, all we see are the goblins, call me when the moon starts falling.

You could burn at the stake in a medieval society after an accusation! The idea that someone would tolerate this makeshift strawman of a race for an iota is insane, and this world was written by a fanboy.

Grey-Zone said:


What's the basis for the assumptions like the Goblins not caring about each other and only raping "for fun"? At least up until EP5 I have not seen anything indicating that.

As for why they attack humans, for reproduction and looting of tools and livestrock, of course. They attack villages and not some huge military strongholds and most strong adventurers don't care about them because they are too low level with too low subjugation rewards. When the Goblins fight low-level adventurers in the caves they are obviously defending themselves from an attack of retaliation. Nothing out of that contradicts what I am saying.



If you can present a scenario where Goblins don't rape and Goblins don't go extinct after the livespan of the current Goblins ends, while having ugly, unattractive appearences with a creepy distorted voice, then I am all ears. Otherwise they can only choose between rape or extinction.

andya34 said:


Did you see any goblin trying to defend their fellow goblin? Yeah they are raping for fun. You should have realized that as soon as ep 1 where fucking 10 goblin waits in line to rape. You can also understand it when you realize they are raping in the first chance and carrying their victim to their nest later. They are even trying to rape amidst battle. You sound like extinction is bad thing but it's not bad than entire species being corrupted to the point of all they do is evil. If you are choosing rape over extinction I think something is very wrong with your head.

doomrider7 said:
I'll just post the Thermian Argument and my entire blog post about this.



To summarize, why are there no goblin women? Simple, the author or artist wanted to include rape(and as often as he could at that) by the goblins. Both Grimgar and Slime have female goblins. The ENTIRE WORLD is fictional, you can make it however you want and the author wanted there to be lots of rape as a focal point along with the idea of an entire race that needs to be eradicated(I'll tackle this one later).

nina444 said:


I wouldn't call it numb to murder, rape is in fact worse than murder after all . once again rape n murder ain't equal .

a certain psycho bone daddy once told me that murder is considered as mercy .

Janethan23 said:
Why only Goblins?
Demons, plants, animals, demihumans, machines and those with tentacles other than humans have been depicted in anime to rape, degrade, humiliate, break and kill women.
Let's not kid ourselves and be hypocritical about this when rape and sodomy on women and children have been there all this time and it's only because of a hit series you all come out and want to be noticed with your political correctness nonsense.

Stoorainclaire said:
goblin....

is there anyone with me...?
don't get me wrong...ofcourse i still enjoy it, but when I saw goblin in this anime, some scene cross my mind and i can't help it to get distracted by it...(u know what i mean) XP