Overlord II Episode 10 Discussion

398288 said:
ainz was not even there in the first place,and the guardians were totally ready to kill sebas when he makes a wrong move,cocytus standing behind sebas was in a perfect position to use his halberd,since he's already being suspected.Also if he said that he feels that following Touch Me's ideals is a curse,he'll also be killed on the spot by the guardians for his lack of respect towards the Supreme Beings and he knows it

LF2005 said:


you need to watch it again, he doesn't stand behind Sebas, you guys where watching this while drunks ? (you and Darklight0303), he puts himself behind Tuare to stop Sebas mortal blow against her, in the 1st place back stabbing goes agains Cocytus ideals. he things of himself as an honorable warrior.

LF2005 said:


you need to watch it again, he doesn't stand behind Sebas, you guys where watching this while drunks ? (you and Darklight0303), he puts himself behind Tuare to stop Sebas mortal blow against her, in the 1st place back stabbing goes agains Cocytus ideals. he things of himself as an honorable warrior.

Tamikus said:
you know this was all an act =? When Sebas comes in its not the real Ainz , it was Pandoras Actor meanwhile Ainz was in the Throneroom and checked the Status of Sebas if he really is a traitor , Cocytus stopped Sebas because it was orderd so , the whole thing was just a test >.> but since the whole Thing in the anime was rushed as hell you cant know all about it

Darklight0303 said:


Not to mention you have to consider who was in the room. First off Pandora's Actor was created by Ainz himself. So if he heard that Sebas was acting on the directive of someone OTHER than Ainz especially someone who ABANDONED THE ENTIRE TOMB, he would not care. Second Demiurge's creator always argued with Sebas'. So two of the three people in that room with Sebas already had bias AGAINST HIM. Any excuse he offered to doubt or reprimand him would be taken immediately. Only loyalty would get him out of it and that was exactly what happened.

LF2005 said:

totally disagree, Shalltear's Arc should probe it. but even if they where ready to kill him, he should still follow is ideals even at the cost of his live, there is no way he would go down easelly, he should at least manage to scape while protecting her. that kind of plot sounds even better actually.

Darklight0303 said:


No it does NOT in the slightest. You just want textbook hero nonsense while completely destroying character.

You're going to make me have to grab the novel chapter to prove to you that Sebas' mind was NEVER considering that aren't you?



You do not have an argument. You never did.

LF2005 said:


you need to watch it again, he doesn't stand behind Sebas, you guys where watching this while drunks ? (you and Darklight0303), he puts himself behind Tuare to stop Sebas mortal blow against her, in the 1st place back stabbing goes agains Cocytus ideals. he things of himself as an honorable warrior.

LF2005 said:

totally disagree, Shalltear's Arc should probe it. but even if they where ready to kill him, he should still follow is ideals even at the cost of his live, there is no way he would go down easelly, he should at least manage to scape while protecting her. that kind of plot sounds even better actually.

Pyon2WarpKun said:
Hey isn't the princess is the same kind of Albedo? psycho

Darklight0303 said:


No it does NOT in the slightest. You just want textbook hero nonsense while completely destroying character.

You're going to make me have to grab the novel chapter to prove to you that Sebas' mind was NEVER considering that aren't you?



You do not have an argument. You never did.

Byran47 said:


WRONG, in the LN which the anime follows, its made completely clear that cocytus is mainly behind sebas so that his weapon is right at sebas's neck and ready to execute him if he makes any quick movements.

"Sebas was bathed in murderous intent from four sources. They came from Cocytus, Demiurge, the angel which Demiurge held, and Solution. All four of them would immediately fall on Sebas if their master so ordered." Directly from the volume itself..

LF2005 said:

I never said that Sebas was considering anything, only was saying how he should have acted, and that what you think would had happen could never had happen.

Nordhammer said:
@LF2005

Episode 10 is somewhat a poor adaptation of the source material,truly far too rushed even for an anime episode.Several key lines were left out or trimmed down to the extent where their points were missed.

The episode does not start at the beginning of the chapter,starting rather after Sebas is already before "Ainz",as mentioned, leaving out a quarter of the chapter from the start.

( Btw Renner's scene would have been better suited for next week's episode,ties into the plot.Giving Ainz & Co more screen time.)

tommy9418 said:

Haha, well, although Darklight0303 and I both read the LN and know how Sebas feels and the more detailed atmosphere of the interrogation, I guess your reasonning is acceptable, abeit a little childish

However, I must object to your comment of "there is no way he would go down easelly". Just anime only speaking, you can guess the result if Sebas EVER decided to flee by the number of guardians present, I mean, Ainz has measures for the most unlikely scenarios of Sebas really betray them. I will explain it for each character in the room

First of all, VICTIM - the latest introduced guardian in season 2. You may not remember much about him, but his ability was explained when he was first introduced: He has a powerful movement binding skill that is ACTIVATED UPON HIS DEATH. The strenght of this ability is so strong that in the LN a raid of 1,500 players and enemy NPCs get KO by that immovement.
Now you may watch the anime and only notice the cuteness of Demuigre holding Victim despite his ability to fly. Too bad for you~ It's nowhere that ADORABLE. Demuigre held Victim that what so HE CAN BE KILLED BY SQUISHING TO DEATH RIGHT AWAY, THUS ACTIVATING THE BINDING ABILITY if Sebas ever showed any funny movement

Moving on, Demuigre's strong point is various debuff and also movement restriction skills so escape is impossible. I should also mention Demuigre can also null teleportation so magic is also out of question

Lastly Cocytus's weapon range is exactly the distance he took in the anime, meaning right behind Tsuare. Somehow some people think a weapon user has to stand close to Sebas to attack him. No, the range for weapon is always longer than hand-to-hand combat and the distance Cocytus took in ep 10 is his ideal strike range.

Well thanks for reading all this if you ever did. If interested you can see the Wiki or read the LN itself for more information

Darklight0303 said:


Except I just proved it would have. Your denial is pathetic at this point. Sebas is not the strongest in that room. Both Cocytus and Demiurge ARE stronger than him to say nothing of Victim. You are out of your mind if you believe Sebas could do anything but demonstrate his unwavering loyalty in that situation.

Darklight0303 said:

You're going to make me have to grab the novel chapter to prove to you that Sebas' mind was NEVER considering that aren't you?



You do not have an argument. You never did.

Janethan23 said:

It's a shame that the anime only has 13 episodes to work with, if it had a 24 episode format then that confrontation/interrogation scene would have been ine full episode filled with intense and suspenseful moments. That scene reminded me of Death Note episode 7 where Light Yagami and Naomi Misora were locked in a battle of wits.

TrainLucifer said:
I like the way they revealed Renner "other side" but I'm more curious about the meaning behind what Albedo said in the end of the episode

Darklight0303 said:


Albedo hates the fact that Ainz changed his name from Momonga to Ainz Oal Gown, the name of the guild that abandoned Momonga and the entirety of Nazarick.

TrainLucifer said:



When was that mentioned in the anime I don't remember anyone mentioning anything about the guild name

Darklight0303 said:


It's in Albedo's thoughts in this scene but the anime did not show you her thoughts >_> Basically she's pissed off she can't call Momonga by the name she was programmed to love when he modified her character setting

Darklight0303 said:


It's in Albedo's thoughts in this scene but the anime did not show you her thoughts >_> Basically she's pissed off she can't call Momonga by the name she was programmed to love when he modified her character setting

LF2005 said:

LoL he is Dragon, he would give them a run for their money, plus hes skills are great for protecting himself and others, and he also has his own immobiliser skill

tommy9418 said:

I'm sorry, but it's never stated he's a "dragon", just a "dtlragon-man" at most and no, he has no immobiliser skill[ or anti-immobiliser skill stated anywhere in the anime or LN.

He also has no chance 1 vs 3, at most 1vs 1, no matter how cool you think he is

If possible, please cite your source or u will only appear to be a troll or a sore loser at this point...

Darklight0303 said:


Don't bother with this nonsense. He has no idea what the hell he's talking about. I even posted the character sheet for Sebas and nowhere does it say immunity to mmobilizing effects. It's cute how much they struggle to keep their fantasy together when it's already fallen apart

LF2005 said:

I completely disregard the LN, for me the Anime always dictates the canon

ReaperCreeper said:
Right, there's that doppelganger guy, forgot about him. That explains his behaviour.

Tamikus said:


The LN is the Canon and you have to learn to deal with it ,
the reality will not adapt to your wishful thinking

and btw Cocytus is standing behind Tsuare and Sebas >.> he then is in front of him when sebas
turns around to Tsuare from this position Cocytus is in front of him >.> you better need to watch it again you pro analyst

LF2005 said:

it is obviously to me that for you the cannon is the LN but for me it will always be the anime and you have no place to argue about that.
well, in the wiki it is said that hes thue form is a dragon, and Ainz said that they are the strongest creatures. and that will actually make sense to send 3 guardians in order for them to have a chance.

yeah, you where right, I can totally see Cocytus there, behind him, but must be really far back because I don't see him

Tamikus said:

except that i have >.> the LN is the source material for the anime and YOU dont have a say in that , just like a Manga is the Canon for an Anime a VN a game an so on , the reality will not change because you want it that way

LF2005 said:
except that i have >.> the LN is the source material for the anime and YOU dont have a say in that , just like a Manga is the Canon for an Anime a VN a game an so on , the reality will not change because you want it that way

Tamikus said:

the anime is uncanon until source material says otherwise >.> i can do that all day long without getting bored cuz you will still be in the wrong >.> and i could not care less how you personal feel about it , Facts first Feelings last

LF2005 said:
your code is broken
it is no feelings it is facts, the source is an script and until not made into a movie (in this case an anime), it is still just a script.

tofei said:
Who was Tuare's younger sister? Did she made an appearance back in season 1 as referenced to the diary Ainz was holding because I seemed to have forgotten her?

Darklight0303 said:
It's Ninya from the first season. The one clementine butchered

Tamikus said:


nope it is a book >.> from what you saying it sounds you never read one before >.>

The Harry Potter Movies are just an Adaptaion of the Books they were there first and told the Story just like an Anime is an Adaptation of LN which is a ( Book ) or manga , or VNs >.> you would be right with your argument if Overlord did not have the books and if it was only the Amime itself , but this is not the case, , and thats why Animes or Movies will never cover up (all ) things from the Books , btw you should read the Ovelord ( books ) you get there alot of more information about the whole world , and they are not to expensive either

LF2005 said:


you need to watch it again, he doesn't stand behind Sebas, you guys where watching this while drunks ? (you and Darklight0303), he puts himself behind Tuare to stop Sebas mortal blow against her, in the 1st place back stabbing goes agains Cocytus ideals. he things of himself as an honorable warrior.

LF2005 said:

totally disagree, Shalltear's Arc should probe it. but even if they where ready to kill him, he should still follow is ideals even at the cost of his live, there is no way he would go down easelly, he should at least manage to scape while protecting her. that kind of plot sounds even better actually.