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Dec 13, 2017 9:32 AM

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You haven't gone doen the rabbit hole far enough to find those shows.
Example: Rin: Daughters of Mnemosyne.
Dec 13, 2017 9:47 AM

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Holy shit mate, can you be more of a stereotypical tryhard metalhead than this?
I will disregard the whole what is and isn't metal talk, as that doesn't really matter and you're technically right (although you bring it up for no real reason).

Why would you expect shows airing on televion, that aim to appeal to a wide group, use music that only some would enjoy? You will find a bit of heavier music in some shows (like Needless) when it truly fits the nature of the show but nothing even close to music like Morbid Angel or Demolition Hammer, because why the fuck? Only some like it, to others it's repelling, it wouldn't fit great majority of shows at all, there's no point. And it's not just metal either, you won't find any classical music, or heavy techno, or anything heavily straying from mainstream, because there's no reason to have them there. Anime openings are there to be catchy and enjoyable and bring positive feelings towards the anime, not for a few smelly 16s to headbang to for 80 sec and have the rest annoyed and wanting to skip.

Metal is great, deathcore is great, everything's cool but you should be aware most people simply don't enjoy these.
Dec 13, 2017 9:51 AM
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The problem is that in most cases metal doesn't fit with the anime. Sometimes metal op are used like in kiwaguro no brilnhir
Dec 13, 2017 9:52 AM

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Nyah_Chan said:
Parasyte the Maxim and Gokukoku no Brynhildr OPs are pretty metal... Same with HxH ED 1


All they do is scream "lethal weed" in Parasyte OP, it was hilarious. xD

OT: Death Note OP 2 is quite metal too.
Dec 13, 2017 9:59 AM

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Kenny_Stryker said:
Nyah_Chan said:
Parasyte the Maxim and Gokukoku no Brynhildr OPs are pretty metal... Same with HxH ED 1


All they do is scream "lethal weed" in Parasyte OP, it was hilarious. xD

OT: Death Note OP 2 is quite metal too.


Skip to 6:50.... Parasyte ain't that bad compared to this



Dec 13, 2017 10:38 AM

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rodriboy said:
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jeah this. I actually was annoyed by the watamote Op pretty fast, for various reasons.
More damaging then good, what do you guess it means? Very obviously only few people like metal, while most absolutely hate it, thus more damaging then good.

You really don't know that much about Japan if you say that people don't like metal there. It's not mainstream, of course (just like in every other country), but Japan has a lot of metal bands and a huge metal scene. Also metal is popular in Japan, that isn't the same as mainstream (That it's what j-pop and j-rock are).
are you serious? Is is that hard to understand what I said?
I know there are fans in japan, but overall Metal still is not anywhere near the popularity of the idol stuff. And I also wrote actual reasons for why that is as it is. You guys are obnoxious.
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Dec 13, 2017 12:50 PM

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I don't know, but I hate metal anyway so.. They did right by my book.
Dec 13, 2017 1:11 PM

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A decent amount of animus have metal ops. Sure most of it is visual kei or screamo but that's still kinda metal. Also every third action anime has it's OP done by Jam Project n they're pretty much power metal.

OPs in this style of metal are rare but they still exist.

Only when an animu with a trve kvlt black metal OP shows up will animu be saved.
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Dec 13, 2017 1:14 PM

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because real metal isn't a thing
nothing makes one metal song more real than another, and it's not a sub-genre, so it doesn't exist
what doesn't exist can't be used as an anime opening
simple as that
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_genres
Dec 13, 2017 1:15 PM

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I hope that never happens. Metal just doesn't go well with animated waifus.
Dec 13, 2017 1:16 PM

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MortalMelancholy said:
Japs don't like "real metal." Some seem to like screamo doe

Black metal and various forms of Grindcore is actually quite popular in Japan
Dec 13, 2017 1:21 PM

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sunny_fizzle said:
For example most anime openings are either jpop variations or some watered down metalcore or emo. Where's the true metal ops? The only true metal opening I've heard was detroit metal city and that was groove metal. Don't tell me watamote's op is real metal or death note's op is real metal. I'm talking about an opening that uses sounds similar to bands like Morbid Angel, Deeds of Flesh, Slayer, Demolition Hammer, Gorgasm, Immortal, or power metal I'll take as well.

I think brutal stuff like Slam, Goregrind and War metal should appear more often in Action and Horror related anime for example. I find the lack of metal (especially extreme metal) in anime quite disappointing. I´m with you on this topic.
Dec 13, 2017 1:28 PM

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Artacuz said:
sunny_fizzle said:
For example most anime openings are either jpop variations or some watered down metalcore or emo. Where's the true metal ops? The only true metal opening I've heard was detroit metal city and that was groove metal. Don't tell me watamote's op is real metal or death note's op is real metal. I'm talking about an opening that uses sounds similar to bands like Morbid Angel, Deeds of Flesh, Slayer, Demolition Hammer, Gorgasm, Immortal, or power metal I'll take as well.

I think brutal stuff like Slam, Goregrind and War metal should appear more often in Action and Horror related anime for example. I find the lack of metal (especially extreme metal) in anime quite disappointing. I´m with you on this topic.

Goregrind and slam in a opening??
I think that type of metal genres are difficult to adapt in a anime opening.
It's too fast and too brutal.
Dec 13, 2017 1:30 PM

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Artacuz said:
I think brutal stuff like Slam, Goregrind and War metal should appear more often in Action and Horror related anime for example. I find the lack of metal (especially extreme metal) in anime quite disappointing. I´m with you on this topic.


Stuff like this?




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rodriboy said:
Artacuz said:

I think brutal stuff like Slam, Goregrind and War metal should appear more often in Action and Horror related anime for example. I find the lack of metal (especially extreme metal) in anime quite disappointing. I´m with you on this topic.

Goregrind and slam in a opening??
I think that type of metal genres are difficult to adapt in a anime opening.

I understand what you mean, but I think that Slam and Goregrind could work great in some absurd horror or action anime. Heck it could even fit in a dementia anime. If the anime is absurd enough, I think it would work great.
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Demonarion said:
Artacuz said:
I think brutal stuff like Slam, Goregrind and War metal should appear more often in Action and Horror related anime for example. I find the lack of metal (especially extreme metal) in anime quite disappointing. I´m with you on this topic.


Stuff like this?




It isn´t extreme metal like the genres I mentioned, but It´s still great tracks. Any kind of metal is nice in anime tbh. Now I also got two new anime series to check out, thanks :p
Dec 13, 2017 1:37 PM

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Artacuz said:
rodriboy said:

Goregrind and slam in a opening??
I think that type of metal genres are difficult to adapt in a anime opening.

I understand what you mean, but I think that Slam and Goregrind could work great in some absurd horror or action anime. Heck it could even fit in a dementia anime. If the anime is absurd enough, I think it would work great.

Well, Cannibal Corpse (Or some other Brutal Death Metal band) could be a perfect opening for Corpse Party...
and soundtrack... XD
not my type of metal anyways, i think the most brutal metal genre that i listen to is normal death metal.
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rodriboy said:
Artacuz said:

I understand what you mean, but I think that Slam and Goregrind could work great in some absurd horror or action anime. Heck it could even fit in a dementia anime. If the anime is absurd enough, I think it would work great.

Well, Cannibal Corpse (Or some other Brutal Death Metal band) could be a perfect opening for Corpse Party...
and soundtrack... XD
not my type of metal anyways, i think I stopped in normal death metal.

Well yeah, Cannibal Corpse would work great in Corpse Party. Regurgitate, Pathology and Gutfed for example would work great aswell :p
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Well, Morbid Angel and Demolition Hammer reached the peak of their fame decades ago. Really you're asking why a certain niche of old school power, thrash and death metal isn't used, but I think that's self-evident: because they're old school and reached peak relevance many years ago. The truth is, anime like Death Note and Watamote do use "true metal" openings, but they're just more modern styles that appeal to a current audience. You don't really think groove metal is more real than Watamote's metalcore do you? Oh well, Awaken the Guardian is the only real metal album, anyway.
Dec 13, 2017 6:18 PM

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Strawberry_Bur said:
Well, Morbid Angel and Demolition Hammer reached the peak of their fame decades ago. Really you're asking why a certain niche of old school power, thrash and death metal isn't used, but I think that's self-evident: because they're old school and reached peak relevance many years ago. The truth is, anime like Death Note and Watamote do use "true metal" openings, but they're just more modern styles that appeal to a current audience. You don't really think groove metal is more real than Watamote's metalcore do you? Oh well, Awaken the Guardian is the only real metal album, anyway.

Nu-metal and metalcore aren't subgenres of metal. Nu-metal is a type of hard rock that borrows elements from metal (and rap and funk), and metalcore is a form of hardcore punk that likewise utilizes metal elements--both styles are using metal influences to create music that isn't metal. It's like saying a waffle is the same as a birthday cake because both are made from similar ingredients.

Also, as per my earlier post:

Mary's Blood has only been really active since 2012. They're a perfect power/speed metal band for an anime OP, and yet they go unused.

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Zelkiiro said:
Strawberry_Bur said:
Well, Morbid Angel and Demolition Hammer reached the peak of their fame decades ago. Really you're asking why a certain niche of old school power, thrash and death metal isn't used, but I think that's self-evident: because they're old school and reached peak relevance many years ago. The truth is, anime like Death Note and Watamote do use "true metal" openings, but they're just more modern styles that appeal to a current audience. You don't really think groove metal is more real than Watamote's metalcore do you? Oh well, Awaken the Guardian is the only real metal album, anyway.

Nu-metal and metalcore aren't subgenres of metal. Nu-metal is a type of hard rock that borrows elements from metal (and rap and funk), and metalcore is a form of hardcore punk that likewise utilizes metal elements--both styles are using metal influences to create music that isn't metal. It's like saying a waffle is the same as a birthday cake because both are made from similar ingredients.

Also, as per my earlier post:

Mary's Blood has only been really active since 2012. They're a perfect power/speed metal band for an anime OP, and yet they go unused.

There are metalcore bands that do qualify as metal though, Killswitch Engage and Shadows Fall for example. I don't know if Watamote's OP counts but the line between hardcore and metal can be quite thin.
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I think this could work really well with an anime OP. I imagine men going to war on horseback in the freezing winter waging war on other villages.

Or what about this? I think this piece would work extremely well for an anime about a homicidal maniac or a death game. The lyrics say it themselves "Thou Shall Kill!"





Or some funeral doom for an anime that deals with isolation or loneliness.
You seriously think none of these metal pieces could be used for an anime OP.



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@sunny_fizzle It would be interesting if those were anime OP songs, but it would need to be a very deliberate effort to get the visuals and audio to work together. Those songs simply aren't melodic or structured in the same way as most anime OP songs. Cool songs though.

@Zelkiiro Waffles and cakes do have something in common with other pastries. Just because metalcore and nu-metal don't adhere to metal's lineage as much as, say, power metal, doesn't mean they aren't metal. And maybe some metalcore bands do point towards hardcore more than they do metal, but the genre overall is still a metal one. Watamote's OP is definitely metal. You can't honestly say it sounds more like hardcore punk than metal, can you? Your genre descriptions aren't necessarily wrong though.
Dec 14, 2017 1:53 AM

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I also wanna hear more of them, I'm in love with the first ending of Hxh and the op of overlord.

I think that nipponjins dislike good music.


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Queen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Puny Hail Satanism Band...

See the difference.. less accurate
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Artacuz said:
MortalMelancholy said:
Japs don't like "real metal." Some seem to like screamo doe

Black metal and various forms of Grindcore is actually quite popular in Japan

No idea what those are, but Japan tends to have their own variation of a lot of music genres. Which is why I don't consider them "real."
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@Zelkiiro Waffles and cakes do have something in common with other pastries. Just because metalcore and nu-metal don't adhere to metal's lineage as much as, say, power metal, doesn't mean they aren't metal. And maybe some metalcore bands do point towards hardcore more than they do metal, but the genre overall is still a metal one. Watamote's OP is definitely metal. You can't honestly say it sounds more like hardcore punk than metal, can you? Your genre descriptions aren't necessarily wrong though.

It's not that complicated--if they're not one of the 100,000+ bands listed on the Metal Archives, they're not metal. End of story.

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Dec 15, 2017 8:18 AM

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SuzuMine-chan said:
Aren't Parasyte's Opening and Hunter x Hunter 2011's 1st Ending metal?


I classify both songs (Just Awake and Parasyte OP) as electronic hardcore-something screamo.

FALILV (the artist for both songs) is IMHO a fun band to listen to. The only turn-off is the almost incomprehensible Engrish vocals.

For REAL METAL (what people consider metal) I'd suggest you listen to these bands:

Heavy : Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, etc.
Thrash : Metallica (early albums, but Hardwired is pretty ok), Megadeth, Slayer), etc.
I'd also recommend Pantera if you like Metallica.
Death : Cannibal Corpse, Death, etc.
Black : Burzum, etc.

If you wonder why people listen to Death Metal and such, I'd suggest studying some music theory just to find out what's happening BTS.
+Metal is a fun way to relieve stress without becoming aggressive.

Personally a lot of people started by listening to rock>hard rock>metal.

FALILV is by no means a metal band, although I enjoy their music.
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HerrSaitamaX said:
SuzuMine-chan said:
Aren't Parasyte's Opening and Hunter x Hunter 2011's 1st Ending metal?


I classify both songs (Just Awake and Parasyte OP) as electronic hardcore-something screamo.

FALILV (the artist for both songs) is IMHO a fun band to listen to. The only turn-off is the almost incomprehensible Engrish vocals.

For REAL METAL (what people consider metal) I'd suggest you listen to these bands:

Heavy : Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, etc.
Thrash : Metallica (early albums, but Hardwired is pretty ok), Megadeth, Slayer), etc.
I'd also recommend Pantera if you like Metallica.
Death : Cannibal Corpse, Death, etc.
Black : Burzum, etc.

If you wonder why people listen to Death Metal and such, I'd suggest studying some music theory just to find out what's happening BTS.
+Metal is a fun way to relieve stress without becoming aggressive.

Personally a lot of people started by listening to rock>hard rock>metal.

FALILV is by no means a metal band, although I enjoy their music.
Yeah, now that I listen to the music you said, the songs I mentioned aren't metal whatsoever.

You have to forgive me, I know nothing about music. I've actually listened to some of those groups before but I always thought they were rock you see XD
Dec 15, 2017 8:41 AM

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personally having been to Japan I would say "metal" isn't used much in Japan likely because the vast majority of their target audience doesn't care for it. Someone mentioned MAL music poll.... First of all the vast majority of MAL users aren't from Japan so realistically speaking the studios producing Anime don't even care what you think as your not their target audience(though we probably should be). The OP is asking for anime to cater to his or her taste when the industry doesn't see those tastes as marketable. The Anime industry targets a certain demographic in Japan(and only Japan) of which they are pretty good at knowing what will go over well and what wont. Regardless of anyone on MAL's taste. Metal isn't used much because it probably doesn't sell well with the Anime industries target audience.
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dude, you should really watch an anime called "detroit metal city"
the intro is the most metal an anime can get....
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Dec 15, 2017 7:58 PM

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Metal is sometimes used as a gag, though--having recently finished K-On!!, I noticed they were trying to make their teacher's student-days band Death Devil all hardcore and shit, but accidentally made them into a Cyntia-style poppy power/speed metal band. Like, you take that instrumental gag from the first minute of the K-On! movie and tell me that's not totally aping something like X-Japan or Galneryus.

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There is no 'Golden Age.' There will always be top-shelf anime.
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Minami said:
I don't know, but I hate metal anyway so.. They did right by my book.

Well, there's a lot of metal in both anime and the anime community (not much "Trve Metal" as the elitist who crated the thread says).
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rodriboy said:
Minami said:
I don't know, but I hate metal anyway so.. They did right by my book.

Well, there's a lot of metal in both anime and the anime community (not much "Trve Metal" as the elitist who crated the thread says).

So? I don't understand your point. The fact that there's metal in anime and the anime community doesn't change my opinion of it. It just means I will skip the opening even faster than I usually do.
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Minami said:
rodriboy said:

Well, there's a lot of metal in both anime and the anime community (not much "Trve Metal" as the elitist who crated the thread says).

So? I don't understand your point. The fact that there's metal in anime and the anime community doesn't change my opinion of it. It just means I will skip the opening even faster than I usually do.

I just thought you were wrong when you did that it was made right by your book.
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Ousama game does it, nobody likes ousama game. Wheter there is any correlation or not im not going to say. Thats just the facts
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Ousama game does it, nobody likes ousama game. Wheter there is any correlation or not im not going to say. Thats just the facts

There isn't any correlation in the opening theme of Ousama Game and Ousama Game being bad af.
Also a lot of people like the opening theme, saying: "The opening is the only good thing about Ousama Game".
Basically the same band made the opening for Rainbow and it's a very loved anime. Also the second opening of Death Note ,who's also extreme metal, it's the most popular anime of all time and one of the highest ranked anime on MAL.
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"true metal" OMEGALUL @sunny_fizzle
Firstly please mention us some japan true metal band available.
If its not from true metal band, so its not true metal song.
Secondly please mention the example of anime that could use true metal song and what song it is?
Lastly, can we use true metal song in every anime, because true metal is the best genre of all music? It would be great if it used on clannad after story.
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Im not joking, im serious
BTW if someone make some low effort bait, people will make a fun of them.
Of course you are not baiting and have a quality thought, this is a 200 IQ discussion.

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Because metal sounds like absolute shit
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get your edge out of my anime
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