| If the only criteria for something to be considered an anime is it's 100% Japanese made in Japan, does that make the Japanese cartoons outsourced in other countries like China and Korea also not considered anime? |
| "An anime (Japanese: アニメ, [aɲime] (About this sound listen), plural: anime)[a] is a Japanese hand-drawn or computer animation. The word is the abbreviated pronunciation of "animation" in Japanese, where this term references all animation.[1] Outside Japan, anime is used to refer specifically to animation from Japan or as a Japanese-disseminated animation style often characterized by colorful graphics, vibrant characters and fantastical themes.[2][3] Arguably, the culturally abstract approach to the word's meaning may open up the possibility of anime produced in countries other than Japan.[4][5][6] For simplicity, many Westerners strictly view anime as a Japanese animation product.[3] Some scholars suggest defining anime as specifically or quintessentially Japanese may be related to a new form of orientalism.[7]" - Wikipedia It depends on your definition of anime. Do you think of it as a genre or an entertainment medium? |
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| all that truly matters is that we keep alive the Avatar and RWBY is not a anime meme and whatever other thing you call anime doesn't really matter |
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| Not even the anime that is produced and aired in Japan "100% Japanese"... Many anime are still animated in Korea. |
| alot of hunter x hunter was animated in korea, so if it means we dont call hxh an anime, im all for it :> |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
Scarlett_ryuken said: alot of hunter x hunter was animated in korea, so if it means we dont call hxh an anime, im all for it :> MAL would say that it's OK cuz reasons... I honestly don't care. But we do need a "MyCartoonList" website. Can somebody please make it already!! |
| i think a better way to define anime is: any movie or tv/web series in which the main target audience is people of Japanese ancestry living in Japan, and the movie/tv/web series in question is not a Japanese dub of a movie/tv/web series who's main target audience is not people of Japanese ancestry living in Japan. by this definition, any resemblance or lack thereof to existing Japanese animation is irrelevant in defining if a series is "anime" or not - only on the intended main target audience. |
| You can buy lossless digital music from your favorite Japanese artists on https://ototoy.jp/. The songs are all DRM-free and you can re-download your purchased albums as you wish. Show your support to your favorite artist if you can! ps. if you are looking for Japanese albums, you have to search it in Japanese (not romaji). Just copy and paste the name. For those who want to learn Japanese through anime Resources for learning the language |
| I would like to question something The Chinese animations that MAL accepts in the site, have all japanese studios or people involved? all of them? Because Im not understanding the MAL's criteria... Theyy didnt add Castlevania, but add some chinese cartoons aparently 100% chinese.... MAL also accepts chinese and koreans comics in the "manga", even if they techinically arent. So the criteria here is that it must be asian? that sounds too orientalist. |
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GangstaYangWenli said: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=141101I would like to question something The Chinese animations that MAL accepts in the site, have all japanese studios or people involved? all of them? Because Im not understanding the MAL's criteria... Theyy didnt add Castlevania, but add some chinese cartoons aparently 100% chinese.... MAL also accepts chinese and koreans comics in the "manga", even if they techinically arent. So the criteria here is that it must be asian? that sounds too orientalist. only cjk not all asia china and kroea manga are tagged as manhua and manhwa or smth like that and animation from this coutnries is alowed cause manga is too castlevania is american production,,, defining anime based on origin is objective but based on style is not |
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| I wonder what are things that also considered 100% except those really baity advertising in TVs.. |
| Yes they are unless it's co produced by a studio that's isn't Japanese. |
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| >If they just adapted GOH by Madhouse >I'll be pleased |
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| The source material must come from Japan. That's the key, imo. Often, outsourcing animation is reserved for inbetweening and peripheral frames, and the keyframes are still done in Japan. But even if it was all outsourced, so long as the idea or adaptation material came from Japan, it's anime. By contrast, amerime and the like, no matter how closely one believes it resembles the anime "style" (which in itself is a misnomer since anime has many, many styles), is not considered anime by the majority of the viewing audience. EDIT: Obviously this is speaking from an outsider's perspective; in Japan, anime refers to all animated content. |
| Anime producers do outsource their work to Korea and maybe some other countries. |
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| Anime is an animated film or series that was originally made in Japanese language. This definition avoids any arguments regarding subjectivity of style, outsourcing and other crap. |
ahoyanen said: Anime is an animated film or series that was originally made in Japanese language. This definition avoids any arguments regarding subjectivity of style, outsourcing and other crap. I can think of one notable conflict between that definition and mine: Noblesse: Awakening. It's a Korean manhwa, which was animated by Production I.G. into an Original Net Animation. Eh, is that anime? I guess so, since the original dub was in Japanese. Great, now I'm ambivalent :P |
rioplats said: ahoyanen said: Anime is an animated film or series that was originally made in Japanese language. This definition avoids any arguments regarding subjectivity of style, outsourcing and other crap. I can think of one notable conflict between that definition and mine: Noblesse: Awakening. It's a Korean manhwa, which was animated by Production I.G. into an Original Net Animation. Eh, is that anime? I guess so, since the original dub was in Japanese. Great, now I'm ambivalent :P Your definition would fail when you have Japanese living in US making an anime in Japanese language. It would also fail when you have Americans living in Japan making some cartoons in English. In the first case it would unrightfully label the product non-anime, while in the second case it would unrightfully label the product anime. Where the thing is made is completely irrelevant. What is important is the cultural aspect of the product and the language is the easiest and most reliable way to go by (especially since the story/characters are not necessarily of Japanese cultural influence). |
| im sure its half chinese cartoon half japanese cartoon |
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ahoyanen said: Your definition would fail when you have Japanese living in US making an anime in Japanese language. It would also fail when you have Americans living in Japan making some cartoons in English. In the first case it would unrightfully label the product non-anime, while in the second case it would unrightfully label the product anime. Where the thing is made is completely irrelevant. What is important is the cultural aspect of the product and the language is the easiest and most reliable way to go by (especially since the story/characters are not necessarily of Japanese cultural influence). My definition is not based on location of the work, but the ethnic origin of the intellectual property. A Japanese person working on anime in America would still be considered anime. Whereas Americans working on cartoons in Japan would still not be anime. Although to be fair, there are foreigners who work in anime studios. It would have to be an overall consensus. I appreciate that I didn't clarify that I mean ethnic, as opposed to locational origin, but I thought it would be self-evident. Sorry :P EDIT: Quick question: so if I made a short animation, and dubbed it in Japanese, would you consider it anime? (I'm British Chinese) |
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| If you mean the production, no. Because at the moment the great majority of frames is no longer made in Japan. |
rioplats said: Now that you mention that, you reminded me of the interesting case that is Tatsumi.. it's made in Singapore but from a japanese manga. ANN allowed in their database, but MAL does notThe source material must come from Japan. That's the key, imo. Also there are japanese productions made from foreign source material, like those from World Masterpiece Theater.. |
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romagia said: Now that you mention that, you reminded me of the interesting case that is Tatsumi.. it's made in Singapore but from a japanese manga. ANN allowed in their database, but MAL does not Also there are japanese productions made from foreign source material, like those from World Masterpiece Theater.. Yeah, and also as I mentioned, Noblesse: Awakening. All in all it's a bit muddy, and I can't use my definition as a catchall one; there are definitely those that don't fit in either category :P |
iLya said: RWBY has Japanese VAs, My Little Pony has Japanese VAs, and The Simpsons has Japanese VAs. Having Japanese VAs doesn't make something anime.I'm also baffled by this because they didn't add Castlevania in MAL. Even though it resembles a Japanese animation style and has Japanese VAs. OT: It can be outsourced to China, Thailand, or the Czech Republic for all I care; as long as most of the important work is done in Japan and it's made for a Japanese audience it is anime. MAL considers animations from China and South Korea to be anime as well, but those two countries have their own words for animation so I think we should use those to refer to animations from there. |
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rioplats said: ahoyanen said: Your definition would fail when you have Japanese living in US making an anime in Japanese language. It would also fail when you have Americans living in Japan making some cartoons in English. In the first case it would unrightfully label the product non-anime, while in the second case it would unrightfully label the product anime. Where the thing is made is completely irrelevant. What is important is the cultural aspect of the product and the language is the easiest and most reliable way to go by (especially since the story/characters are not necessarily of Japanese cultural influence). My definition is not based on location of the work, but the ethnic origin of the intellectual property. A Japanese person working on anime in America would still be considered anime. Whereas Americans working on cartoons in Japan would still not be anime. Although to be fair, there are foreigners who work in anime studios. It would have to be an overall consensus. I appreciate that I didn't clarify that I mean ethnic, as opposed to locational origin, but I thought it would be self-evident. Sorry :P Well as you pointed it out yourself, even if you mean ethnic origin as opposed to locational origin, the definition is still flawed as the majority of the work can be outsourced and it is still an anime. rioplats said: Quick question: so if I made a short animation, and dubbed it in Japanese, would you consider it anime? (I'm British Chinese) According to my definition, yes. |
| That depends on how you define anime. If you mean the animation style that is used in anime, you can term it as an anime out of Japan. |
| If anime = japanese animation then yes, it has to be japanese. But imo, this definition is outdated. As long as the final product has the same qualities as the average japanese animation and target the same public (not necessary the japanese public, it can be the same public as the dubbed version of a japanese animation aired on western countries), then I don't see any reason to say "It is not 100% japanese, so it should not be on MAL". Also, sometimes the definition can be quite blurry: Castlevania's animation source is japanese (konami), so because it was produced in other country it's now closer to Adventure Time or Scooby Doo than to Hellsing or Vampire hunter D? Gankutsuou was adapted from Count of Monte Cristo, should it be really considered 100% japanese since the source is french? Same about Heidi Girl of the Alps's swiss source. Or.. this anime ? |
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| Interestingly enough, a lot of anime studios outsource tedious parts of their animation work to other countries to cut down on the working hours of their primary staff. These usually involve creating the "in-between" frames wherein the animators are called "in-betweeners", of which the majority are outsourced from China or Korea. Although, there have been instances of western staff working in Japanese anime studios too. So regardless of your definition of anime it's a fact that quite a lot of them aren't 100% Japanese-made to begin with. |
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| well they don't have to. Japanese studios have collabed with other countries' studios to produce anime sometimes. |
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