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Jun 19, 2017 9:07 AM
#1
What? I was watching YouTube videos and this "Chinese anime" thing was recommended and I watched the videos reviewing how it's good. Good? I don't mean to offend anybody but it's animation is super weird! It's like, different anime that is combined with a low quality live action movie and it lacks that relaxed anime feel.. Yes, of course there are anime with really bad animation or anime that start with great animation and go downhill but most of them are fine to me. I don't really mind if others watch it or rate it however they want but if that's the 'future of anime' then I sure won't be taking part of it. And trust me, this isn't glorifying Japan or anything (I much prefer western-ish anime anyway like western names or setting) but I just don't understand how some people go about things in this community. Anyhow, have a nice day! |
Jun 19, 2017 9:08 AM
#2
Oh no! Different opinions on internet? How outrageous. |
Jun 19, 2017 9:10 AM
#3
sasalx said: Err, no? I'm talking about what would happen if the future of anime is Chinese anime.Oh no! Different opinions on internet? How outrageous. |
Jun 19, 2017 9:11 AM
#4
Why not just ignore sonething you don't like? |
Jun 19, 2017 9:12 AM
#5
Did someone say Chinese anime!? I love me some good Chinese anime! :D |
Jun 19, 2017 9:13 AM
#6
Valkyrie said: It would be lovely if you could actually read my opening paragraph!Why not just ignore sonething you don't like? |
Jun 19, 2017 9:14 AM
#7
reiynii said: sasalx said: Err, no? I'm talking about what would happen if the future of anime is Chinese anime.Oh no! Different opinions on internet? How outrageous. Yea that was my point. Idk what you watched but you don't have to be upset because of different opinions. Some may like it.(Well I don't think so but maybe) Even the "Chinese anime" is a joke itself because anime = cartoons Chinese cartoons = Anime as a joke. Yea interesting but hey its a meme after all. |
Jun 19, 2017 9:16 AM
#8
All animes are chinese, aren't they? |
Jun 19, 2017 9:17 AM
#9
sasalx said: I wasn't upset, even saying that I don't care if others rated it or watched it, I am merely curious as to what makes people think it'd the future of anime?Yea that was my point. Idk what you watched but you don't have to be upset because of different opinions. Some may like it.(Well I don't think so but maybe) Even the "Chinese anime" is a joke itself because anime = cartoons Chinese cartoons = Anime as a joke. Yea interesting but hey its a meme after all. Plus, I don't understand memes... |
Jun 19, 2017 9:17 AM
#10
The kings avatar is definitely the best Chinese anime ive seen. Highly reccomend it. And fuk u if you don't watch it cause you don't like the dub. Give it an episode or 2 and you will get used to it. Its like japaneese, it took time getting used to so why cant you watch a Chinese anime just because its in Chinese. Anyway The kings avatar is a highly underrated anime and if china start creating more anime like this i see great things in the future. |
Jun 19, 2017 9:17 AM
#11
They sure are! At least that's what I was told during my anime career. |
Jun 19, 2017 9:18 AM
#12
Have you seen Quan Zhi Gao Shou/The King's Avatar? I think that's the true first sign of the future of Chinese anime. |
Jun 19, 2017 9:19 AM
#13
Honestly can't see the question that you claim to be asking? It comes across like your making a statement without anything to be discussed but expecting people to, though due to you not enjoying things means that it is the wrong direction for animation? Then again maybe in the future they may shock you with their style of animation |
Jun 19, 2017 9:22 AM
#14
eplipswich said: Have you seen Quan Zhi Gao Shou/The King's Avatar? I think that's the true first sign of the future of Chinese anime. No. But I plan on adding it to my watch list. |
Jun 19, 2017 9:22 AM
#15
Missalot said: I was literally about to put "what do you think of Chinese anime being the future of anime" before "have a nice day" but thought people would be a bit smarter and not narrow the conversation to just one question.. I guess not? lolHonestly can't see the question that you claim to be asking? |
Jun 19, 2017 9:23 AM
#16
IT LOOKS DIFFERENT THAN IM USED TO KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!! Idk, Rakshasa Street at least hat better artwork and backgrounds than a lot of anime. Overall yes, chinese animation on those series is still pretty wonky but it doesn't bother me that much if the story is interesting. And they are getting better in leaps. Rakshasa Street already looks so much better than anything they made like 3 years ago and King's Avatar is their best-looking entry yet in terms of non-movies. And before you discriminate against chinese animation as a whole you should check out some movies like Big Fish and Begonia which looks really awesome and had amazing visuals. Still using a bit of a different style than what you're used to from Japan, but in terms of intricateness and details it's up there for sure. TBH it's impressive enough for chinese animation to already be at the level it's at despite ~30 years of almost nonexistence thanks to Mao's cultural revolution. Before that chinese animation was on par, if not superior to Japan's, at least from the 'big' movies I've seen from back then. And they are about to catch up again. Give em 5 more years and they'll be up there, I say. Also I have to wonder whether you actually pay attention to anime or just only watch certain styles because you make it seem like there is one 'anime style' and that the style itself is somehow 'relaxed' and both make zero sense to me. There's a million different styles in anime, different methods of animating stuff. Some use the same tools the chinese animators use, some don't. But if you think of anime as particularly relaxed you're probably having a very one-sided viewing experience because there's tons of anime that aren't relaxing at all, but intense and suspenseful instead. It always baffles me when people think they have pinpointed 'the' anime style and associate certain random attiributes with anime. It always happens in the context of them wanting to bash something else that is different from that 'anime style'. It's such a big and varied medium that every kind of generalization like this feels like an insult to its creativity and the uniqueness that exists in the medium. If you want to bash anything that doesn't look like 'your preferred anime style' based on looking different why single out chinese animation based on origin? You must bash at least 50% of anime too for not having 'your' standard, relaxed 'anime style', whatever that is. Still choosing to single out chinese animation just seems racist/a weeb thing to do. Either you judge per style or per origin country, you can't have both without it being kinda hypocritical. |
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Jun 19, 2017 9:29 AM
#17
reiynii said: Chinese, Japanese, it's still anime in the end, although just different.What? I was watching YouTube videos and this "Chinese anime" thing was recommended and I watched the videos reviewing how it's good. Good? I don't mean to offend anybody but it's animation is super weird! It's like, different anime that is combined with a low quality live action movie and it lacks that relaxed anime feel.. Yes, of course there are anime with really bad animation or anime that start with great animation and go downhill but most of them are fine to me. I don't really mind if others watch it or rate it however they want but if that's the 'future of anime' then I sure won't be taking part of it. And trust me, this isn't glorifying Japan or anything (I much prefer western-ish anime anyway like western names or setting) but I just don't understand how some people go about things in this community. Anyhow, have a nice day! |
Jun 19, 2017 9:35 AM
#18
Pullman said: By relaxed sense, I mean it doesn't look wonky and the background mixes together well with everything else (like Log Horizon or RE: Zero...) and not by what type of anime it is. I've also seen plenty of anime so I know that not all of them have the same style and I admitted that many have really bad quality animation, but I just don't see how such Chinese anime -by this I mean the one that was shown in the video (Quanzhi Gaoshou)- has potential to be the future of anime. It's the equivalent of saying CGI anime will be the future which is why I'm asking about people's opinions. I want to know why do they think it's superior to Japanese (or many occasions by animated by Korean studios) anime?IT LOOKS DIFFERENT THAN IM USED TO KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!! Also where was I ever racist? It's true that I don't like the voice acting, but I also don't like English dub on anime and I'm from an English speaking country..? |
Jun 19, 2017 9:36 AM
#19
The moral is don't be afraid to try new things. I think? |
Jun 19, 2017 9:39 AM
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Jun 19, 2017 9:42 AM
#21
Ichilicious said: Well, maybe but it's also nice to stay in your comfort zone a lot of the timesThe moral is don't be afraid to try new things. I think? |
Jun 19, 2017 9:45 AM
#22
reiynii said: Well, maybe but it's also nice to stay in your comfort zone a lot of the times Exactly. You never know if you like it, or not. |
Jun 19, 2017 10:12 AM
#23
In the past century they were worried about finding food to survive, seems normal that their animation still is ''weird'' nowadays. |
Jun 19, 2017 10:14 AM
#24
reiynii said: Pullman said: By relaxed sense, I mean it doesn't look wonky and the background mixes together well with everything else (like Log Horizon or RE: Zero...) and not by what type of anime it is. I've also seen plenty of anime so I know that not all of them have the same style and I admitted that many have really bad quality animation, but I just don't see how such Chinese anime -by this I mean the one that was shown in the video (Quanzhi Gaoshou)- has potential to be the future of anime. It's the equivalent of saying CGI anime will be the future which is why I'm asking about people's opinions. I want to know why do they think it's superior to Japanese (or many occasions by animated by Korean studios) anime?IT LOOKS DIFFERENT THAN IM USED TO KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!! Also where was I ever racist? It's true that I don't like the voice acting, but I also don't like English dub on anime and I'm from an English speaking country..? Can you tell us what bothers you about the King's Avatar visuals instead of just bashing them for no reason every time you mention them? They look pretty solid to me even compared to other, japanese seasonals. Not amazing, but definitely not bad or particularly wonky. And I've seen a LOT more anime than you both from china and Japan. I can't tell you why people don't think the same as you as long as you don't tell us what it is exactly that you think. Assume for a second that their infinite inferiority isn't as obvious to everyone else as it is for you. Can you even pinpoint what bothers you about King's Avatar? Or is it literally just that they look and sound different from what you are used to? Because that's what it sounds like. And in that sense it's very questionable to only call out chinese anime for looking different since a lot of the non-mainstream (you seem to only stick to mainstream anime/mainstream artstyles in general) ones from Japan also often have a large variety of art and animation styles and techniques that should bother you just as much. Makes it seem like you have something against chinese anime because they are chinese, not because they look different since that's not an attribute unique to chinese animation. Neither do all chinese anime look the same or are made by using the same techniques either. From what I can tell you just saw something about one chinese anime, didn't like it, can't explain why, and generalize that all chinese animation is shitty and want to know why people allegedly think it's suprior (which they most likely don't). For real, who actually thinks that chinese anime in general are superior to japanese ones? I never saw anyone say that. Some people like King's Avatar a lot because it has a cool concept (esports hasn't been covered in anime at all so far so it's pretty unique), solid visuals (you need to justify why you think they are crappy before I can tell you why I disagree), decent characters and pretty good comedy. It is just a good show if you're interested in the premise. They, unlike you can judge it as an individual show, not as the ultimate representative for all chinese anime. If people say chinese anime are the future it doesn't mean they think they are better than all the japanese anime. It just means they see the potential, the increase in quality and quantity from year to year, and they know about how large china is both in terms of market and in terms of financing so yeah, anyone who can add 2 and 2 together can figure out that the future will be much more dominated by chinese animations than in the past. Chinese anime are getting redubbed to japanese for TV broadcasting, chinese animation studios open up branch offices in Japan and with Tencent one of the biggest companies in the whole world is producing more and more animations so fast growth of the industry is predictable. 5 years ago all of this seemed to far-fetched to fathom so how far will things have developed in another five years? Chinese anime might be vastly superior back then, with bigger budgets and everything. Who knows. Chinese anime being a big part of anime's future is just a factual observation tho that doesn't have to have anything to do with preferences. |
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Jun 19, 2017 10:19 AM
#25
F*ck this thread. Antagonizing and generalizing Chinese works just generate contrarian stances. You want to critique a show? Critique the show. Never generalize an entire country's worth of output based on that. Jesus, if the entire world judges our country based on the Probinsyano TV series, I'd flip. The Chinese cartoon memes are already generating a whole motherlode of smugness against the community and the meme when Quan Zhi Gao Shou aired. Yourlolm said: The kings avatar is definitely the best Chinese anime ive seen. Highly reccomend it. And fuk u if you don't watch it cause you don't like the dub. Give it an episode or 2 and you will get used to it. Its like japaneese, it took time getting used to so why cant you watch a Chinese anime just because its in Chinese. Anyway The kings avatar is a highly underrated anime and if china start creating more anime like this i see great things in the future. Underrated. 8.27. Underrated. The highest rated review vote spammed takes a massive, hilarious reach. Underrated. Sometimes, a cigarette is just a cigarette, not an entire psychological profile. The anime isn't about eSports? You mean to tell me the summary is misleading? Then there's the clunky, stilted animation praised as capable of going toe-to-toe with the best of Trigger just because it's not used to animate moe moe ecchi. To quote myself: Yes, the visuals is well within standards, CGI notwithstanding. Yes, the background looks gorgeous. The anime is certainly pretty when you look at the still frames. Put those in motion however, and it all becomes awkward. It’s grating. The show is so scared of going off-model on the characters and ended up with motion looking stilted instead of overflowing with life and vitality. People are praising the shows "maturity" and "mature concepts". It’s a run-of-the-mill redemption action series with the questionable virtue of not having moe or harem elements, which apparently is enough to be praised and loved in this day and age. Claims that the series is mature due to simply having "adult" characters are equally hilarious as attitude and temperament, not age, defines maturity. This is not mature, grounded series by any means. Especially not when your adults are nothing more than upscaled teenagers. Underrated. |
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Jun 19, 2017 10:27 AM
#26
I personally only like quan zhi gao shou (the kings avatar) the story is original and the art style is just like your normal japanese anime and the animation is taken very seriously too,it's very good throughout the season but tales of demons and God's got fucked over. It was going to be such an amazing anime but then they animated it in cgi which I can't stand. That also had lots of people ending up not watching the anime even though they were looking forward to it |
Jun 19, 2017 10:32 AM
#27
I used to think Chinese anime are bad too, but not because of the same stupid reason as you OP. But after watching The King's Avatar, I now find that they can be competent in this kind of work. |
Jun 19, 2017 10:40 AM
#28
Yeah, sorry I'm against you this time Pullman. Quan Zhi Gao Shou has problems. Forgive me, I'll just be quoting my review left and right though. Click the “show” option for the full one if you want. I’ll include it here to save you the trouble of searching for it, as well as save myself from the embarrassment of revealing how it fared. Hello everyone, I am a DotA player in both its incarnation and a follower of it's eSports scene. As such, I am excited for an eSports anime because the amount of amazing stories tempered by colorful and magnetic personalities I have witnessed over the years promises a wealth of untapped potentials for stories that can go toe-to-toe with some of anime's best character dramas and captivating sports series. Sadly, Quan Zhi Gao Shou offers little and captures less of the allure of the narrative weaved by eSports over the years. It’s worth noting that the genre tag did not even include “Sports”, given that eSports is sports through the medium of video games. It’s a run-of-the-mill redemption action series with the questionable virtue of not having moe or harem elements, which apparently is enough to be praised and loved in this day and age. Claims that the series is mature due to simply having "adult" characters are equally hilarious as attitude and temperament, not age, defines maturity. This is not mature, grounded series by any means. Especially not when your adults are nothing more than upscaled teenagers. First off, we need to make one thing very very clear: adaptations are suppose to stand on it’s own. So zip it with the piteous noises about the source material. Quan Zhi Gao Shou as an anime stands or falls on it’s own (de)merits. Let’s start with the basics: a drama is as compelling as its characters. Nothing cripples a show as much as the lack of character investment on the side of the viewers. There is only one character of consequence in this show: god-mode MC-kun who’s APM (actions per minute) is so god-tier glorious he can solo MMORPG bosses. The numerous side characters the anime crammed without proper pace and care are simply background props and cheerleaders relentlessly praising and gaping in awe over MC-kun. The antagonists on the other hand are busy trying to outdo each other in a contest to see who is the most irredeemable prick to make MC-kun look better by comparison. It does get aggravating how the show executes character investment with all the skills of a stereotypical 90s high school movie. What this show really needs and what it tellingly lacks is his reason/motivation for soldiering on despite everything so far. That should have been the core of the show’s drama and it should have been established early on immediately why we want to root for him. But they didn’t. Instead it’s left to the viewer to project their idea of why he is doing all of these. Every single platitude by non-LN readers points to various reasons they assume is his motivation and struggles moving forward. (LN readers on the other hand seem to know what I’m sure is some emotionally manipulative boohoo story somewhere detailing the why of his love of the game to fix it all up. The characterization is so sloppily executed that they're overdue at least one boohoo scene to compensate.) The alternative is to set him up as the complete/mentor character that enables the growth of the people he works with. While the setup was indeed teased later in the story with just one other side character, there was never enough commitment to develop it. A even better option is to have the main cast bounce their development off one another. Maybe they help rekindle his love of the game, and he in turn build them to a competent team from the ground up, all the while learning more and more about himself via their interactions as they form a professional team together. I assume that is the intention, yes? Let's talk about that. The show has a tendency to jump from one scene and one event to the next without rhyme or reason, except maybe to have another excruciating demonstration on how godly-good the MC is. These scenes should have served to showcase why we would want these side characters to help the MC in his potential comeback. The MC prattles on that Glory is a team game and yet we never get the sense of how and why they work as a team, except for the fact that the MC tells us, the viewers, that they are really good players. Oh, and that they follow his commands to a T, with little to no input of their own. What we have so far is more a spectacle than a story. And it’s not even a good spectacle. Yes, the visuals is well within standards, CGI notwithstanding. Yes, the background looks gorgeous. The anime is certainly pretty when you look at the still frames. Put those in motion however, and it all becomes awkward. It’s grating. The show is so scared of going off-model on the characters and ended up with motion looking stilted instead of overflowing with life and vitality. And it doesn't help that though there were a few series over the years that embraced the concepts of character motion and grounded, subtle facial expressions as powerful narrative tools in anime, Quan Zhi Gao Shou knows only three: scheming face, evil scheming face, and wacky-tries-to-be-funny face. Maybe that’s what passes for slapstick humor in this anime because the comedy genre tag certainly confuses me. To be honest, the show is more cartoonish compared to other anime with less detailed and more fluid designs. The action scenes are subpar as well. The anime has a huge boner for shitty shot angles, shaky shots, poor choreography, and the firm belief that adding enough flashy fluffs would cover it all up. So in other words, your average anime. If you like the fight sequences in Asterisk Wars, you’ll like this. The problem with these kinds of fights is that you get no real sense of space or flow. It merely gives the illusion of thrill because there is movement and pretty colors flashing about. A shame really that they prefer the Hollywood shaky-cam method instead of the clean, wide shots, and solid choreography of typical of Oriental martial or action movies. The sound is okay, I guess. Nothing stood out but I'm not an expert on these things. It's Chinese though. I've already seen several Chinese live-action flicks so I don't really care but it might throw you off if you got so used to Japanese that you can get the gist of a conversation just by listening. Also, I want to add that like almost all hack-writing involving videogames, there is way too much emphasis on mechanical skills/reflexes and way too little on good game knowledge, map/situational awareness, proper positioning, and the value of a good support. When you play the game at the highest level, the APM gap tends to narrow a lot. It becomes more about knowing all the options available to the enemy, predicting which one he'll chose, and then proactively stopping it instead of being reactive and defensive. Credit where credit is due, of course. The character designs, animation, and visuals are, again, well within current standard and that retirement announcement in Episode 2 captures a glimmer of the fervor an eSports gaming community has for its own flock. And while I have a plethora of reasons to go against the MMO eSport concept of the show, it does help non-gaming savvy viewers to easily identify the characters when they assume their in-game avatars. Here’s to hoping that it’ll get better and to knowing that it probably won’t. Let it have a good arc at the very least. Let it have it’s own Mother’s Rosario. *slyly winks at those who understands what I am implying* Alternatives? Well, there is Log Horizon, a world-building masterwork that captures the soul of gaming in a way no other piece of fiction has. But the one I highly recommend in the topic of eSports is the Valve documentary “Free to Play”, which is available on YouTube for free. It’s the story of three players, set in the beginning of one of the largest and most prestigious competitions in eSports, The International. Pullman said: Can you tell us what bothers you about the King's Avatar visuals instead of just bashing them for no reason every time you mention them? They look pretty solid to me even compared to other, japanese seasonals. Not amazing, but definitely not bad or particularly wonky. Okay, hold it right there. Yes, the visuals is well within standards, CGI notwithstanding. Yes, the background looks gorgeous. The anime is certainly pretty when you look at the still frames. Put those in motion however, and it all becomes awkward. It’s grating. The show is so scared of going off-model on the characters and ended up with motion looking stilted instead of overflowing with life and vitality. Pullman said: For real, who actually thinks that chinese anime in general are superior to japanese ones? I never saw anyone say that. Some people like King's Avatar a lot because it has a cool concept (esports hasn't been covered in anime at all so far so it's pretty unique), solid visuals (you need to justify why you think they are crappy before I can tell you why I disagree), decent characters and pretty good comedy. It is just a good show if you're interested in the premise. They, unlike you can judge it as an individual show, not as the ultimate representative for all chinese anime. As someone who watches DotA 2's eSports, no. Also, Lu Shidai exist. The MMORPG aspect of Quan Zhi Gao Shou is balance-breaking. MC-kun can use over 120 of the basic skills. He also uses a self-made weapon that he continuously upgrades with rare materials. Balancing all of that is developmental hell. Factor in the many gears and skills, and it’ll take forever to properly balance so that only the player skills matter, not the gears with varying degrees of rarity and availability. Player skills has to be the defining factor in a competitive environ, not gear. Of course, not included are races and the attendant racial talents if ever, as well as classes and subclasses. And that’s without me being pedantic enough and including the fact that eSports live or die with sponsorship. Sponsorship relies on viewership.Viewership relies on ergonomics. A multitude of skills and spells that require a dedicated viewer base who can keep track of all of it is not an eSports title game. There's a reason World of Warcraft is not a popular eSports. Sure. There are MMORPGs experimenting with eSports appeal. Guild Wars 2 comes to mind. But I’m told it makes all the items availabe right away in PvP. There is also a limit of 10 skills, which translates to better ergonomics and viewer-friendliness which translates into eSports appeal which translates into cha-ching which keeps an eSports and its pro-scene alive. Visuals, I took care of. Decent characters? Let’s start with the basics: a drama is as compelling as its characters. Nothing cripples a show as much as the lack of character investment on the side of the viewers. There is only one character of consequence in this show: god-mode MC-kun who’s APM (actions per minute) is so god-tier glorious he can solo MMORPG bosses. The numerous side characters the anime crammed without proper pace and care are simply background props and cheerleaders relentlessly praising and gaping in awe over MC-kun. The antagonists on the other hand are busy trying to outdo each other in a contest to see who is the most irredeemable prick to make MC-kun look better by comparison. It does get aggravating how the show executes character investment with all the skills of a stereotypical 90s high school movie. What this show really needs and what it tellingly lacks is his reason/motivation for soldiering on despite everything so far. That should have been the core of the show’s drama and it should have been established early on immediately why we want to root for him. But they didn’t. Instead it’s left to the viewer to project their idea of why he is doing all of these. Every single platitude by non-LN readers points to various reasons they assume is his motivation and struggles moving forward. (LN readers on the other hand seem to know what I’m sure is some emotionally manipulative boohoo story somewhere detailing the why of his love of the game to fix it all up. The characterization is so sloppily executed that they're overdue at least one boohoo scene to compensate.) The alternative is to set him up as the complete/mentor character that enables the growth of the people he works with. While the setup was indeed teased later in the story with just one other side character, there was never enough commitment to develop it. A even better option is to have the main cast bounce their development off one another. Maybe they help rekindle his love of the game, and he in turn build them to a competent team from the ground up, all the while learning more and more about himself via their interactions as they form a professional team together. I assume that is the intention, yes? Let's talk about that. The show has a tendency to jump from one scene and one event to the next without rhyme or reason, except maybe to have another excruciating demonstration on how godly-good the MC is. These scenes should have served to showcase why we would want these side characters to help the MC in his potential comeback. The MC prattles on that Glory is a team game and yet we never get the sense of how and why they work as a team, except for the fact that the MC tells us, the viewers, that they are really good players. Oh, and that they follow his commands to a T, with little to no input of their own. Pullman said: If people say chinese anime are the future it doesn't mean they think they are better than all the japanese anime. It just means they see the potential, the increase in quality and quantity from year to year, and they know about how large china is both in terms of market and in terms of financing so yeah, anyone who can add 2 and 2 together can figure out that the future will be much more dominated by chinese animations than in the past. Chinese anime are getting redubbed to japanese for TV broadcasting, chinese animation studios open up branch offices in Japan and with Tencent one of the biggest companies in the whole world is producing more and more animations so fast growth of the industry is predictable. 5 years ago all of this seemed to far-fetched to fathom so how far will things have developed in another five years? Chinese anime might be vastly superior back then, with bigger budgets and everything. Who knows. Chinese anime being a big part of anime's future is just a factual observation tho that doesn't have to have anything to do with preferences. No problem here actually. More anime for all of us. |
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Jun 19, 2017 10:44 AM
#29
if it ain't Japanese, I won't have any of these |
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Jun 19, 2017 10:44 AM
#30
Pullman said: No I can't because I've only seen some of the first episode and I didn't enjoy it how the art looked like and how the voice acting was (things I'd drop any anime because of for that matter), but of course I made this to hear opinions and not to compare them so whatever your saying is invalid. You don't need to bash me for not liking an anime you thought was OK or good.Can you tell us what bothers you about the King's Avatar visuals instead of just bashing them for no reason every time you mention them? Plus, my question stems from the YouTube videos I've seen their comments which many allude to people thinking that Chinese anime is the future of anime which judging by what I've seen of King's Avatar, I'd like to disagree with. You've replied to my question in your last paragraph |
Jun 19, 2017 10:46 AM
#31
@le_halfhand_easy Taking the criticism aside from The King's Avatar (because I don't want to argue because I'm pretty much doing something else along) I can agree with your statement with the exception of one thing... when you mention underrated you basically probably quoted the rating. I think people meant underrated by more so underwatched. The total people that have watched or completed over here is very small. Watching: 37,598 Completed: 11,072 In some sense its the definition of more... under watched, because yeah its not watched by a large margin of anime watchers. Disagree or not with the show I think I wanted to point it out. While MAL isn't accurate because well not a lot of people uses it it or everyone, I can get the idea of what they mean. At the end of the day even outside of MAL I don't see people talking about it too much. And also I do agree that people should stop generalizing an entire country's lineup based on one show that looked "weird". Heck, some of my favorite series of the year were from China, and one of them being from Fall 2016. Kiitarou Shounen, which was a short but it was rather enjoyable. |
Jun 19, 2017 11:48 AM
#32
le_halfhand_easy said: Yeah, sorry I'm against you this time Pullman. Quan Zhi Gao Shou has problems. Forgive me, I'll just be quoting my review left and right though. Click the “show” option for the full one if you want. I’ll include it here to save you the trouble of searching for it, as well as save myself from the embarrassment of revealing how it fared. Hello everyone, I am a DotA player in both its incarnation and a follower of it's eSports scene. As such, I am excited for an eSports anime because the amount of amazing stories tempered by colorful and magnetic personalities I have witnessed over the years promises a wealth of untapped potentials for stories that can go toe-to-toe with some of anime's best character dramas and captivating sports series. Sadly, Quan Zhi Gao Shou offers little and captures less of the allure of the narrative weaved by eSports over the years. It’s worth noting that the genre tag did not even include “Sports”, given that eSports is sports through the medium of video games. It’s a run-of-the-mill redemption action series with the questionable virtue of not having moe or harem elements, which apparently is enough to be praised and loved in this day and age. Claims that the series is mature due to simply having "adult" characters are equally hilarious as attitude and temperament, not age, defines maturity. This is not mature, grounded series by any means. Especially not when your adults are nothing more than upscaled teenagers. First off, we need to make one thing very very clear: adaptations are suppose to stand on it’s own. So zip it with the piteous noises about the source material. Quan Zhi Gao Shou as an anime stands or falls on it’s own (de)merits. Let’s start with the basics: a drama is as compelling as its characters. Nothing cripples a show as much as the lack of character investment on the side of the viewers. There is only one character of consequence in this show: god-mode MC-kun who’s APM (actions per minute) is so god-tier glorious he can solo MMORPG bosses. The numerous side characters the anime crammed without proper pace and care are simply background props and cheerleaders relentlessly praising and gaping in awe over MC-kun. The antagonists on the other hand are busy trying to outdo each other in a contest to see who is the most irredeemable prick to make MC-kun look better by comparison. It does get aggravating how the show executes character investment with all the skills of a stereotypical 90s high school movie. What this show really needs and what it tellingly lacks is his reason/motivation for soldiering on despite everything so far. That should have been the core of the show’s drama and it should have been established early on immediately why we want to root for him. But they didn’t. Instead it’s left to the viewer to project their idea of why he is doing all of these. Every single platitude by non-LN readers points to various reasons they assume is his motivation and struggles moving forward. (LN readers on the other hand seem to know what I’m sure is some emotionally manipulative boohoo story somewhere detailing the why of his love of the game to fix it all up. The characterization is so sloppily executed that they're overdue at least one boohoo scene to compensate.) The alternative is to set him up as the complete/mentor character that enables the growth of the people he works with. While the setup was indeed teased later in the story with just one other side character, there was never enough commitment to develop it. A even better option is to have the main cast bounce their development off one another. Maybe they help rekindle his love of the game, and he in turn build them to a competent team from the ground up, all the while learning more and more about himself via their interactions as they form a professional team together. I assume that is the intention, yes? Let's talk about that. The show has a tendency to jump from one scene and one event to the next without rhyme or reason, except maybe to have another excruciating demonstration on how godly-good the MC is. These scenes should have served to showcase why we would want these side characters to help the MC in his potential comeback. The MC prattles on that Glory is a team game and yet we never get the sense of how and why they work as a team, except for the fact that the MC tells us, the viewers, that they are really good players. Oh, and that they follow his commands to a T, with little to no input of their own. What we have so far is more a spectacle than a story. And it’s not even a good spectacle. Yes, the visuals is well within standards, CGI notwithstanding. Yes, the background looks gorgeous. The anime is certainly pretty when you look at the still frames. Put those in motion however, and it all becomes awkward. It’s grating. The show is so scared of going off-model on the characters and ended up with motion looking stilted instead of overflowing with life and vitality. And it doesn't help that though there were a few series over the years that embraced the concepts of character motion and grounded, subtle facial expressions as powerful narrative tools in anime, Quan Zhi Gao Shou knows only three: scheming face, evil scheming face, and wacky-tries-to-be-funny face. Maybe that’s what passes for slapstick humor in this anime because the comedy genre tag certainly confuses me. To be honest, the show is more cartoonish compared to other anime with less detailed and more fluid designs. The action scenes are subpar as well. The anime has a huge boner for shitty shot angles, shaky shots, poor choreography, and the firm belief that adding enough flashy fluffs would cover it all up. So in other words, your average anime. If you like the fight sequences in Asterisk Wars, you’ll like this. The problem with these kinds of fights is that you get no real sense of space or flow. It merely gives the illusion of thrill because there is movement and pretty colors flashing about. A shame really that they prefer the Hollywood shaky-cam method instead of the clean, wide shots, and solid choreography of typical of Oriental martial or action movies. The sound is okay, I guess. Nothing stood out but I'm not an expert on these things. It's Chinese though. I've already seen several Chinese live-action flicks so I don't really care but it might throw you off if you got so used to Japanese that you can get the gist of a conversation just by listening. Also, I want to add that like almost all hack-writing involving videogames, there is way too much emphasis on mechanical skills/reflexes and way too little on good game knowledge, map/situational awareness, proper positioning, and the value of a good support. When you play the game at the highest level, the APM gap tends to narrow a lot. It becomes more about knowing all the options available to the enemy, predicting which one he'll chose, and then proactively stopping it instead of being reactive and defensive. Credit where credit is due, of course. The character designs, animation, and visuals are, again, well within current standard and that retirement announcement in Episode 2 captures a glimmer of the fervor an eSports gaming community has for its own flock. And while I have a plethora of reasons to go against the MMO eSport concept of the show, it does help non-gaming savvy viewers to easily identify the characters when they assume their in-game avatars. Here’s to hoping that it’ll get better and to knowing that it probably won’t. Let it have a good arc at the very least. Let it have it’s own Mother’s Rosario. *slyly winks at those who understands what I am implying* Alternatives? Well, there is Log Horizon, a world-building masterwork that captures the soul of gaming in a way no other piece of fiction has. But the one I highly recommend in the topic of eSports is the Valve documentary “Free to Play”, which is available on YouTube for free. It’s the story of three players, set in the beginning of one of the largest and most prestigious competitions in eSports, The International. Pullman said: Can you tell us what bothers you about the King's Avatar visuals instead of just bashing them for no reason every time you mention them? They look pretty solid to me even compared to other, japanese seasonals. Not amazing, but definitely not bad or particularly wonky. Okay, hold it right there. Yes, the visuals is well within standards, CGI notwithstanding. Yes, the background looks gorgeous. The anime is certainly pretty when you look at the still frames. Put those in motion however, and it all becomes awkward. It’s grating. The show is so scared of going off-model on the characters and ended up with motion looking stilted instead of overflowing with life and vitality. Pullman said: For real, who actually thinks that chinese anime in general are superior to japanese ones? I never saw anyone say that. Some people like King's Avatar a lot because it has a cool concept (esports hasn't been covered in anime at all so far so it's pretty unique), solid visuals (you need to justify why you think they are crappy before I can tell you why I disagree), decent characters and pretty good comedy. It is just a good show if you're interested in the premise. They, unlike you can judge it as an individual show, not as the ultimate representative for all chinese anime. As someone who watches DotA 2's eSports, no. Also, Lu Shidai exist. The MMORPG aspect of Quan Zhi Gao Shou is balance-breaking. MC-kun can use over 120 of the basic skills. He also uses a self-made weapon that he continuously upgrades with rare materials. Balancing all of that is developmental hell. Factor in the many gears and skills, and it’ll take forever to properly balance so that only the player skills matter, not the gears with varying degrees of rarity and availability. Player skills has to be the defining factor in a competitive environ, not gear. Of course, not included are races and the attendant racial talents if ever, as well as classes and subclasses. And that’s without me being pedantic enough and including the fact that eSports live or die with sponsorship. Sponsorship relies on viewership.Viewership relies on ergonomics. A multitude of skills and spells that require a dedicated viewer base who can keep track of all of it is not an eSports title game. There's a reason World of Warcraft is not a popular eSports. Sure. There are MMORPGs experimenting with eSports appeal. Guild Wars 2 comes to mind. But I’m told it makes all the items availabe right away in PvP. There is also a limit of 10 skills, which translates to better ergonomics and viewer-friendliness which translates into eSports appeal which translates into cha-ching which keeps an eSports and its pro-scene alive. Visuals, I took care of. Decent characters? Let’s start with the basics: a drama is as compelling as its characters. Nothing cripples a show as much as the lack of character investment on the side of the viewers. There is only one character of consequence in this show: god-mode MC-kun who’s APM (actions per minute) is so god-tier glorious he can solo MMORPG bosses. The numerous side characters the anime crammed without proper pace and care are simply background props and cheerleaders relentlessly praising and gaping in awe over MC-kun. The antagonists on the other hand are busy trying to outdo each other in a contest to see who is the most irredeemable prick to make MC-kun look better by comparison. It does get aggravating how the show executes character investment with all the skills of a stereotypical 90s high school movie. What this show really needs and what it tellingly lacks is his reason/motivation for soldiering on despite everything so far. That should have been the core of the show’s drama and it should have been established early on immediately why we want to root for him. But they didn’t. Instead it’s left to the viewer to project their idea of why he is doing all of these. Every single platitude by non-LN readers points to various reasons they assume is his motivation and struggles moving forward. (LN readers on the other hand seem to know what I’m sure is some emotionally manipulative boohoo story somewhere detailing the why of his love of the game to fix it all up. The characterization is so sloppily executed that they're overdue at least one boohoo scene to compensate.) The alternative is to set him up as the complete/mentor character that enables the growth of the people he works with. While the setup was indeed teased later in the story with just one other side character, there was never enough commitment to develop it. A even better option is to have the main cast bounce their development off one another. Maybe they help rekindle his love of the game, and he in turn build them to a competent team from the ground up, all the while learning more and more about himself via their interactions as they form a professional team together. I assume that is the intention, yes? Let's talk about that. The show has a tendency to jump from one scene and one event to the next without rhyme or reason, except maybe to have another excruciating demonstration on how godly-good the MC is. These scenes should have served to showcase why we would want these side characters to help the MC in his potential comeback. The MC prattles on that Glory is a team game and yet we never get the sense of how and why they work as a team, except for the fact that the MC tells us, the viewers, that they are really good players. Oh, and that they follow his commands to a T, with little to no input of their own. Pullman said: If people say chinese anime are the future it doesn't mean they think they are better than all the japanese anime. It just means they see the potential, the increase in quality and quantity from year to year, and they know about how large china is both in terms of market and in terms of financing so yeah, anyone who can add 2 and 2 together can figure out that the future will be much more dominated by chinese animations than in the past. Chinese anime are getting redubbed to japanese for TV broadcasting, chinese animation studios open up branch offices in Japan and with Tencent one of the biggest companies in the whole world is producing more and more animations so fast growth of the industry is predictable. 5 years ago all of this seemed to far-fetched to fathom so how far will things have developed in another five years? Chinese anime might be vastly superior back then, with bigger budgets and everything. Who knows. Chinese anime being a big part of anime's future is just a factual observation tho that doesn't have to have anything to do with preferences. No problem here actually. More anime for all of us. you do know I was just naming why people including me like the show? You not liking it for the reasons you mentioned doesn't really contradict what I'm saying. Pretty sure the people who do like it, like it for the reasons I listed even if you disagree. Also I haven't seen Lu Shidai yet but isn't it mostly comedy from what I know? Let me rephrase to first serious esports anime then. Not gonna argue about your points regarding the characters because I don't really care about the show that much, I just enjoy my esports bias and the comedy a lot and the rest is decent enough to not ruin the experience for me so I'm happy with that. I think about the visuals the same that I think about a lot of other TV anime, they're decent enough not to ruin the experience but if I want actually good visuals I wouldn't watch TV anime in the first place but stick to movies and OVAs. Being okay is all I expect and King's Avatar looks okay in my book. Certainly better than something like Kemono Friends which still got very popular, and also pretty much better than all the other chinese ONA Series I've seen so far. The writing is not great by any stretch of the imagination but then again neither is AoT's writing and I can still enjoy the shit out of that too so it doesn't matter to me that much as long as it's decent enough. Which it is in both cases, at least for me. And if I wanted technical realism in all details like your complaints I'd just play an actual MMORPG instead of watching anime, a medium known for exaggerations and making everything exciting for the cost of realism. I don't care for that kind of realism though (even in SAO, a show I dislike, this is the last thing I'd consider relevant criticism of the show because it's the least important thing to me) , so all your criticism in that regard misses the target as far as I'm concerned. Kuroko No Basket is also hella unrealistic but still a very good and enjoyable sports anime so yeah, realism is overrated in that specific sense and I just see it as an easy way to criticize stuff you don't like while everyone gives it a pass when it comes to their favorites. *shrug* |
I probably regret this post by now. |
Jun 19, 2017 11:54 AM
#33
China is like Canada to Japan's America.... What I'm trying to say should be obvious.... ;) |
Jun 19, 2017 12:09 PM
#34
Idk, nothing bothered me visually about Legend of the Condor, a collaboration with Nippon and Jade. Admittedly, I'm ridiculously easy to please in that dept...Personally, I'd love to see more animation coming out of other countries. |
Jun 19, 2017 12:38 PM
#35
So what current Japanese anime adventure/magic/action anime worth watching now and im not talking about second seasons ..new ones...??? Close to zero..They currently making only girls/only/fan anime... I mean just today i;m looking at the rating and all 6...5...even 4...And more likely very few right now with no attracting scenario.... Sorry but right now Japanese anime for me is anything old because new ones are ...$#@%#%... As for chinese i'f they gonna continue like this...is gonna be ++++from Japanese ones.. |
Jun 19, 2017 12:54 PM
#36
Just by sheer market forces and demand, it's possible that Chinese-style anime will dominate the Japanese/otaku market within the next 4-7 years and will radically change the kind of anime that Japanime fans are likely used to seeing. 全职高手 if I'm not mistaken is produced by an animation studio backed by the Chinese Ministry of Culture. It will never go bankrupt and, by any estimate of the web novel's popularity in China, continue to see seasons for the rest of the story. |
SaviorJun 19, 2017 1:03 PM
Jun 19, 2017 12:55 PM
#37
Well yeah it's gonna be weird. There are different types of animation ya know? |
Jun 19, 2017 12:56 PM
#38
I used to feel the same way until I watched King's Avatar, China still has hope |
Jun 19, 2017 4:18 PM
#39
reiynii said: What? I was watching YouTube videos and this "Chinese anime" thing was recommended and I watched the videos reviewing how it's good. Good? I don't mean to offend anybody but it's animation is super weird! It's like, different anime that is combined with a low quality live action movie and it lacks that relaxed anime feel.. Yes, of course there are anime with really bad animation or anime that start with great animation and go downhill but most of them are fine to me. I don't really mind if others watch it or rate it however they want but if that's the 'future of anime' then I sure won't be taking part of it. And trust me, this isn't glorifying Japan or anything (I much prefer western-ish anime anyway like western names or setting) but I just don't understand how some people go about things in this community. Anyhow, have a nice day! Chinese animation is diverse just like American,Korean, Chinese and other animation. You can't look at a few examples and think oh that must represent all the animation from that country. |
Jun 19, 2017 4:23 PM
#40
Ohhh another rant about something... Moving on~ |
Jun 19, 2017 4:29 PM
#41
it wouldn't be anime, anime is made in japan, it would be called literally chinese cartoons. |
Jun 19, 2017 4:55 PM
#42
cooking4senpai said: it wouldn't be anime, anime is made in japan, it would be called literally chinese cartoons. In the end, 'Anime' is very much an Americanism, an Anglicization, a complete western fabrication. The main reason the term sees use is because Western animation and Japanese animation diversified over time, and in different directions, even ignoring their common roots. China and Korea are in majority dedicated to the Japanese "Anime" style or animation and plot trends, and I think that's the most important aspect. A pop singer is a pop singer until they sing too many rock songs. Then, they're just a Rockstar. Maybe in the future, the other East-Asian countries will find a trend strong enough for their own very special "Term" like Anime. |
Jun 19, 2017 5:41 PM
#43
Jun 19, 2017 5:43 PM
#44
You didn't need to waste space on useless comments like this. Upping your forum posts number doesn't really make you popular or give you achievements here :( |
Jun 19, 2017 5:49 PM
#45
reiynii said: You didn't need to waste space on useless comments like this. Upping your forum posts number doesn't really make you popular or give you achievements here :( Well, actually making a rant thread in MAL AD doesn't make you any popular too. :/ Ohhh wait... No, you might probably appeal to those easily triggered teens.. :/ |
Jun 19, 2017 5:55 PM
#46
_Ako_ said: Huh? This is a discussion thread, and discussion means talking/posting back and forth about things that are actually related to the topic and if you remain in darkness, it means posts like the one you made are uncalled for.Well, actually making a rant thread in MAL AD doesn't make you any popular too. :/ Ohhh wait... No, you might probably appeal to those easily triggered teens.. :/ What went through your mind writing that anyway? You LITERALLY had zero reasons and wasted your time and anyone reading through the thread. |
Jun 19, 2017 6:00 PM
#47
1. People exaggerate about their feelings on internet. It's not like a big news. 2. There are elements from Japanese Anime you are so getting used to that others dislike, the show you watched does not have these. It might bothers you because you are not/never get used to it, but others are hyped by these and hope for more. 3. If you don't like it, just drop it. Why care what others say? |
Jun 19, 2017 6:01 PM
#48
reiynii said: _Ako_ said: Huh? This is a discussion thread, and discussion means talking/posting back and forth about things that are actually related to the topic and if you remain in darkness, it means posts like the one you made are uncalled for.Well, actually making a rant thread in MAL AD doesn't make you any popular too. :/ Ohhh wait... No, you might probably appeal to those easily triggered teens.. :/ What went through your mind writing that anyway? You LITERALLY had zero reasons and wasted your time and anyone reading through the thread. Ehhh, the only info I need is that it was recommended to you by some random YTer... :/ So, I didn't really wasted my time on this one. More like around 2 secs... Discussion... Ohhh you mean ranting... Well yeah I guess you can call it ranting, other users does it too, and is quite very good at it. Although, in my perspective, I have no reason to rant about it. :/ |
Jun 19, 2017 6:05 PM
#49
Oh golly, I didn't realize that person were 13 !! I feel really bad now, since children often don't make sense there's no reason to ever reply ^ ^; |
Jun 19, 2017 6:33 PM
#50
I think, whether consciously or unconsciously, you've set up a strawman. Or maybe not. I'm not entirely sure because the purpose of your post is a bit unclear. reiynii said: I don't really mind if others watch it or rate it however they want but if that's the 'future of anime' then I sure won't be taking part of it. Who said that Chinese animation dictated the future of Japanese animation? If it is Chinese, then it could suggest the future of Chinese animation. Your enjoyment of Japanese animation is under no threat. This is what I'd mean by "strawman." You've set up this argument that, thus far, nobody I've seen on MAL making, and then you're trying to knock it down. Forgive me if I am wrong, but I've seen no evidence that anyone thinks Chinese animation is the future of all animation or a threat to Japanese animation. reiynii said: Plus, my question stems from the YouTube videos I've seen their comments which many allude to people thinking that Chinese anime is the future of anime which judging by what I've seen of King's Avatar, I'd like to disagree with. Are they talking about the future of anime (as in Japanese animation) or animation in general? And if you disagree with them and feel that the future of either animation in general or Japanese animation in particular won't be heavily impacted by Chinese animation... I'm not entirely certain what your gripe is. Are you frustrated by the proliferation of people pointing at The King's Avatar that say it is the future? Do you know how many or how few are saying this? Are there only a few and they're noisy? Or are there multitudes saying these things? Are they even saying Chinese animation is the future or have you simply developed that impression? Your basic position is unclear except for the fact that, given the (admittedly) small sample of Chinese animation you've seen, you consider it severely inferior when compared to other nations' animation. From whence do we go with this? |
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