Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (light novel)
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A Catboy is as much a demi-human as any other half human half animal species. These species have their reason why they're here. Before you judge the trap as a "generic LN" maybe you should wait until you know more about his character than one minute of screen time. Imagine, he could have a past that formed some kind of personal disorder so in other words he is mentally ill. Yeah thinks like this exist you know. Fai said: waifu elections covering all otaku interest bases So you're telling me a story can't have an election full of females with a good reason because it is "waifu elections which panders otaku interest"? Ah...that's more like nitpicking on your side. Oh look the amazones are only female, clearly they're only covering otaku interests. Fai said: dumb obsessed idiot mc Since you can't comprehend how this side of him is meant and used for further development, this one is on you. Fai said: harem romance Never happened, that's just you grasping at straws to find more shallow examples where they don't fit. Harem involves 2 females that clearly have interest in one male person or the male is in a relationship with multiple people. Neither of that has happened so far. Fai said: one-note trophy heroine who is there to be as a prize One would think that you finally stop with that utter nonsense especially now that Emilia fulfills the role of a candidate for the royal election and calmly wait for what happens but I guess that is asked too much. It seems like the author really fooled you in any way possible. Gotta love Tappei for making people like you believe they experience generic LN tropes just to turn them around at a later point. You shouldn't be so fast to judge things otherwise you will get it back 10x over. Fai said: This episode had a strong case of multiple personality disorder in narrative. It keeps flip flopping between two sides (Is Subaru an idiotic creepy stalker we see this episode or is he smart individual who was shown learning through the first two arcs?). It was apparent with Emilia scenes before, but this just upped that to eleven and it feels jarring. I talked about that before. It's character development which approaches the fact that humans tend to fall back into their old behavior if confronted with something that is too much for them. Just because you can't understand development that doesn't progress linear into one direction, doesn't mean it's the shows fault. Imagine a story about a criminal who killed someone, sat off his punishment and then fall back into his own behavior by killing someone again. This ultimately gives him more development by developing back. Overall I'm a bit baffled that you seem to be so sure about your "arguments" even though you haven't even seen half of the show let alone got the context for the majority of the scenes that already happened. I can't help but repeat myself and say: have freaking patience. |
FappaJun 21, 2016 7:56 AM
Fappa said: [ He doesn't want you to think he's cool and root for him. He wants you to think "what an idiot" and make this character grow under the experiences of failure. so that we think he deserves to die? People Fall into their old behavior if they're confronted with crazy situations. He wasn't super obsessed or an idiot in Arc1, just saying. crx07 said: Shrimperor said: Love turns one into an idiot.Great Episode and all, but i can't help but feel that Subaru was kinda off... He isn't the same one of the last 2 arcs, and has been a litte 'idiotic' this ep... he wasn't that much of an idiot in the first 11 ep. Infact, he wasn'T at all xD |
Fappa said: Before you judge the trap as a "generic LN" maybe you should wait until you know more about his character than one minute of screen time. Imagine, he could have a past that formed some kind of personal disorder so in other words he is mentally ill. Yeah thinks like this exist you know. |
Shrimperor said: People Fall into their old behavior if they're confronted with crazy situations. He wasn't super obsessed or an idiot in Arc1, just saying. That's why I said the scale of the situation he and Emilia are in right now amplifies his old behavior which results in this extremely overprotective nature that goes even against direct orders and promises. |
strider98 said: Logic against this argument >Since you can't comprehend how this side of him is meant and used for further development, this one is on you. Lol no. I won't give a damn, really and many people won't I can assure that. Once again you exaggerate this whole scene way too much. Also just because you see it this way doesn't mean a huge chunk of people will tag along. |
Fappa said: A Catboy is as much a demi-human as any other half human half animal species. These species have their reason why they're here. Before you judge the trap as a "generic LN" maybe you should wait until you know more about his character than one minute of screen time. Imagine, he could have a past that formed some kind of personal disorder so in other words he is mentally ill. Yeah thinks like this exist you know. Yes, but his design still is made to attract certain tastes and fetishes. Just like with "all female candidates" just because it has a reason does not mean its justified. Marketing tactics can be justified and this is no Monogatari that it would explore it to that depth anyway. So you're telling me a story can't have an election full of females with a good reason because it is "waifu elections which panders otaku interest"? Ah...that's more like nitpicking on your side. Oh look the amazones are only female, clearly they're only covering otaku interests. No but having candidates all be females and all representing different otaku fetishes sure does paint it that way. correlation does not equal causation. All Amazons being female is not the same as having whole group of characters be only female with each character embodying different otaku trope(ojousama, cute loli, pure waifu, tomboy, etc) All Amazons being female is not an otaku trope. However if MC of a fictional story were to hire mercenaries and they all conveniently ended up being Amazons THAT would be pandering. In this case there's this huge contest for being the ruler of a kingdom and CONVENIENTLY there's this prophecy that says they all should be female. AND CONVENIENTLY all of them are pretty slim nice women representing different anime stereotypes. Ever wondered why none of them are like Brienne of Tarth or why all of them are VERY pretty? Since you can't comprehend how this side of him is meant and used for further development, this one is on you. I know how it is meant to be used. It still clashes with rest of his characterization and does not mean I should like him being that way. Ikari Shinji has perfect reason to be the way he is and have personality he has too. does not mean I should like him as character or not want to slap him. Never happened, that's just you grasping at straws to find more shallow examples where they don't fit. Harem involves 2 females that clearly have interest in one male person or the male is in a relationship with multiple people. Neither of that has happened so far. Did Rem show interest in Subaru? Yes Did Emilia show interest in Subaru? Yes. Hell we spent whole arc 2 with Emilia's screentime literally being only her being flustered at him. Even this episode had her keep worrying about his wellbeing and being all pouty at him appearing with ojousama in that ballroom. Is Ojousama used in sexual/love rival kind of way this episode? Yes. Did Subaru have scenes with Rem that can be seen as romantic? Yes Did Subaru have scenes with Emilia that can be seen as romantic? Yes One would think that you finally stop with that utter nonsense especially now that Emilia fulfills the role of a candidate for the royal election and calmly wait for what happens but I guess that is asked too much. But even this episode, Emilia is literally just something Subaru wants to protect. As someone else put it at this point Emilia's characterization is basically "that pure naive heroine" and most of interest in her scenes stem from "is she satella or not?" question and noticing the suspicious moments. Do we see Emilia's side of this episode? No. We are following Subaru angst over his pure perfect waifu. In VERY creepy ways. I talked about that before. It's character development which approaches the fact that humans tend to fall back into their old behavior if confronted with something that is too much for them. Just because you can't understand development that doesn't progress linear into one direction, doesn't mean it's the shows fault. Imagine a story about a criminal who killed someone, sat off his punishment and then fall back into his own behavior by killing someone again. This ultimately gives him more development by developing back. But it is NOT old behavior. Subaru was never this obsessed stalkery or dumb and a lot of what he does this episode disregards the experiences he had. If anything he should be traumatized by Arc 2 evens and realize that it is REAL. He already did in arc 2 and now its like it never happened. Also you claim that, but unlike with Arc 2 - there's no visual tells that this is his psychological coping mechanism. The anime portrays it this episode at face value - this is an idiot who does not think and gets others and himself in trouble over his obsession. Which clashes with what we learned of him before. crx07 said: Fai said: He went back to his episode 1B ways. His mind only revolves on protecting Emilia.In this episode he is suddenly a stumbling fool who does not know his place, displays none of his perceptive nature he displayed before and literally acts like a monkey. Except he was smart and savvy in 1B. Literally the only dumb moment was him getting himself stabbed in the alley. Which also was something he learned from. He was never as dumb and idiotic and stalkery as this episode. I literally can't imagine THIS subaru trying to con person into thinking cellphone is magic or laying out plans and strategies to figure out who cursed him. In fact the MOST defining aspect of the first 11 episodes was that Subaru was smart and savvy individual who approached the cliched LN situations in realistic ways instead of falling back into ln protag drama(the only time that happened was when he could not figure out its a time loop for whole episode, but that can be chalked up to stress). Its literally selling point of the show that the protagonist is NOT like other dumb mcs and can actually use his head. He was the protagonist you WANT to root for in the first 11 episodes. Someone likeable and realistic. |
AhenshihaelJun 21, 2016 8:15 AM
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| Taken her in as a bandit and now she's a candidate to rule the nation! this Reinheard is really suspicious, a handsome and nice character is always suspicious! well I'm glad that this date finally worked out, and now Subaru acts very rashly! |
crx07 said: This impairment also happened in ep1b when he fails to realize that he revives in a "save state" because of thinking about Emilia. Would you instantly believe you returned back in time if you were in his place? I mean, it was kinda realistic he didn't insta think of it, because it's something unbelieveable. Fai said: I literally can't imagine THIS subaru trying to con person into thinking cellphone is magic or laying out plans and strategies to figure out who cursed him. It all comes down to this. The Subaru we saw in Ep12 isn't the same Subaru we saw in the other 11. Maybe if the anime showed life returning back to normalcy, and some development in the EMP x Barusu Relationship before stuff happened, it would've been more acceptable for him to act like that. But the anime didn'T show the first, and there have been 0 development between Satelle-look-alike and Suffaru. Fappa said: That's why I said the scale of the situation he and Emilia are in right now amplifies his old behavior which results in this extremely overprotective nature that goes even against direct orders and promises. amplified something that didn't exist...? strider98 said: Exactly. Why should I care for "his so called-developments later on" if his common sense and antics make us loath for him? If we loath him, then i wouldn't care about his Deaths, either. It was because we liked him that made his deaths so impactful. |
Shrimperor said: There is a difference between wanting more and being completely obsessed and acting idiotic in this ep. That, and the fact that Emilia doesn't trust him yet. Honestly, the Emilia 'Romance' is by far the biggest and only weakness this series has so far. Sure, they had sometime together in the first ep where he fell for her/devloped a crush on her, but that doesn't mean he should go 150% obsession mode like that. That, and the fact that she didn't even know him before he rescued her in the last loop of Arc1, and she acts all friendly with him (which is understandable, considering he rescued her life). And Chemistry between Subaru x Rem >>>>>>> The non existant Chemistry between Subaru and EMF Look, i don't have much of a problem with 'sudden' Romance, because emotions are illogical, after all, but this here with EMF is waaaaaaaaaaaay toooo much. Well at least your somewhat honest. But you know by this logic Rem shouldn't be falling in love Subaru right? She's known him for even less, didn't have proper conversation until ep 11 and hated him enough to even murder him, but all of sudden she's lovey with him. Rem treats Subaru the sameway that he treats Emilia she goes about better. They put respective saviors on a pedestal due to gratitude and I think it's fine. Conflict often brings people much closer together they normal be otherwise. Fact of the matter is Subaru had attraction to Emilia (which he never had for Rem) when they first met that was only boosted by her saving him. While he initially helped her play back his debt he had genuinely come to like her and Puck after spending day with them that attraction naturally deepened thanks to fire-forged friendship that came about whole Elsa fiasco. It helps she was the first actually friend he made since got here who didn't treat him badly. He may be overprotective of her, partially thanks all of Return by Death, but he means well and his feelings are sincere if comes out awkwardly from time to time. This much should be clear. Basically what I'm saying is that it didn't come from nowhere, that is true any of relationships in this story regardless of one's preferred ship. iRels said: Sure she knows about them. But doesn't means that she understands them, still. She went to the storehouse to take what was taken. She warned the others that she could use force if they don't give it back. But she had no malice. When Rom commented on her being an elf and such, she answered politely. She wasn't holding a grudge. Against Elsa, she was cornered. She had no choice. (What I gave was just a simple example.) Before, she used magic against Felt. But she wasn't shown to want to kill her thief - to punish them. Yeah I didn't say it was. But her naivety is a factor to be considered. So you've confirmed that she was born a commoner? She must've been well educated, then. No, Crusch and Anastasia aren't purer, from what was shown. And what, Priscilla? What notion of purity do you have? Priscilla is full of malice. She was extremely condescending. She treated Subaru like an object. She insulted Emilia, saying she's no wits. Here Anastasia is holding some kind of grudge against Emilia. Even if she's good-hearted, she appeared too actively aggressive. Crusch says that with a smile on. She understands the severity of it, right? That people might suffer? Think so. Dude no offense, but your reasoning here is really arbitrary is fill way too much assumptions that don't really making any sense. There is absolutely no way Emilia doesn't know why she would be feared, nor has anything implied in the show that she doesn't. Even Suabru a non-native immediately understood after hearing about Witch of Envy from Betty. Let's stop that here. Waay too illogical for what we know about and blunt hints of discrimination. I also didn't get where going with whole purity discussion. Priscilla's just a grade A-bitch, it doesn't mean she more or less pure then anyone nor more fitting to rule. It's doesn't even mean she ambition, these things do not correlate together. Similar with Crusch who already displayed her airheadness in certain respects by thinking she was dinner party instead of Royal Selection because she easily got fooled by her own Knight. I also get where got Anastasia hating Emilia opposed to her just being rude as she was with Royal Guard Captain. These aren't things I'm pointing out aren't speculation. |
Iron_MawJun 21, 2016 9:12 AM
Shrimperor said: [ Him showing it like he did in that episode was a little annoying. Him being jealous in understandable (not much however, considering he comes from a 'modern world), but don't go make enemies just because of some petty obsession. I think your the one exaggerating if you think that was enough make them enemies. Being a supposed love rival does not equal enemies. It's not like Subaru going around punching in the face for it. The worst thing he's done has thrown out some barbs. Stop taking that scene so seriously. |
iRels said: strider98 said: @iRels man I know the source, so I also know how he develops later on and likeable. But the point that has come up again and again, after 2 arcs of hell in a fantasy world and knowing he should have at least some sort of common sense after 12ep, if not the same level? Ok lol. You should know better than me, then. As Fappa said, this represents 5% of the story. Now think about that percentage. So he came to a fantasy world, was troubled by some bad persons, then stood living in a mansion for a while with his crush. Seeing it this way, it doesn't seem like much has happened. The fact that 5% of the story has accounted for nearly 50% of the anime series we are not entirely sure will have a second season of any kind. That where a big problem a lot of people have lies. Right now one of the main characters have had limited screen time and the majority of it has feature the back of Subaru's head as he fawns over his "love". Big pieces of her so far revolves around Subaru. Arousing Subaru, caring for Subaru, nurturing Subaru, consoling Subaru, reassuring Subaru, Subaru, Subaru, Subaru. Regardless of the amazing depth of character Emilia truly has in the source or even what depth of character she will have in this adaptation right now the anime viewers are left largely with a rinse-and-repeat of a rather obvious and common archetype. And that's rather frustrating considering we're are nearly halfway through the series. Granted the series keeps up with Subaru's unique perspective including his limited ability to go back in time. But with that shouldn't they, when they have the opportunity emphasize the characters, even if their actions are only limited to the life/death loop of the MC? -We know Rem cares deeply for her sister, even willing to take on a big chunk of their duties despite being the "younger one" (is she? I forget.) -We know Rem has no qualms about killing another she finds suspicious and a intentional danger to her only remaining relative. -We know Rem has overcompensated in order to match Rem, feeling inferior in terms of Demon power before her sister lost her horn. And eventually taking the helm as her sister protector to some extent out of guilt of her sister losing her prodigious power in order to protect her. -We also know she feels like trash for the passing thought of feeling somewhat happy her sister can no longer match her sister prowess in their inherit ability. -In spite of her murderous actions towards Subaru Rem has displayed a more accessible side to Subaru, after he showed how far he is wiling to go to save others and went to great lengths to protect Rem and nearly die once again. -We also see how far Rem is wiling to go for someone who is in danger, even if she initially seemed uneasy towards him at first. Running back into the forest alone to slaughter the creatures who would ultimately drain and kill Subaru. In spite of some of these events never happening it slowly paints a picture of what type of person Rem is or could be. A big mechanic of this story has an interesting way of presenting different angles of different characters and how their fates would ultimately be different had a singular instance not provoke them to do otherwise. In Emilia's case, sadly we haven't really been informed of that, in the eyes of an anime only viewer), which is little frustrating considering she is a main character. -She seems to be a well-meaning woman with considerable magical abilities. She uses this to help Subaru who appears corner by a group of thugs, showing she doesn't like injustice (usually implies a good nature). -We get she has a heritage that could mean trouble for her in the long run. -She is a candidate for the next ruler of the kingdom. -She shows great concern for others who are in danger and is willing to give them a shoulder (or lap) to lean on even if they are crying to cover it up (empathetic?) -Her competitors (at least two of them) have a lack of respect (or fear) for her as opposed to one another. Which may be attributed to her heritage, her appearance or the fact her apparent timid nature just makes her an easy target. That's about it. Interesting setup for a particular character, not so good 1/2 through a 20-some-odd-episode-series. P.S. Don't really care about Rem or Ram anymore the Emilia. Emilia's character design is more appealing to me. Not too into the maid trope, particularly when it involves rather young looking characters. |
strider98 said: He is the designated white knight who feels the urge to protect his dear LN waifu whenever he sees her, even if that means cringey and throw away your developments and common sense. :) and for plot progression obv This is the same guy who broke his own mana gate disabling him from using to save someone who once tried to killed him (who's become a waifu) and this what you complain about? He's always been reckless and clumsy when came to protecting people, if you expect that to suddenly change it would happened way back with Elsa. Suabru's person who often driven by his emotions and has never been some calculating robot so of course he gets ahead of himself from time to time. Nothing new. |
Iron_MawJun 21, 2016 9:28 AM
QWERTYFish25 said: iRels said: You should know better than me, then. As Fappa said, this represents 5% of the story. Now think about that percentage. So he came to a fantasy world, was troubled by some bad persons, then stood living in a mansion for a while with his crush. Seeing it this way, it doesn't seem like much has happened. The fact that 5% of the story has accounted for nearly 50% of the anime series we are not entirely sure will have a second season of any kind. That where a big problem a lot of people have lies. Right now one of the main characters have had limited screen time and the majority of it has feature the back of Subaru's head as he fawns over his "love". Big pieces of her so far revolves around Subaru. Arousing Subaru, caring for Subaru, nurturing Subaru, consoling Subaru, reassuring Subaru, Subaru, Subaru, Subaru. Regardless of the amazing depth of character Emilia truly has in the source or even what depth of character she will have in this adaptation right now the anime viewers are left largely with a rinse-and-repeat of a rather obvious and common archetype. And that's rather frustrating considering we're are nearly halfway through the series. Granted the series keeps up with Subaru's unique perspective including his limited ability to go back in time. But with that shouldn't they, when they have the opportunity emphasize the characters, even if their actions are only limited to the life/death loop of the MC? -We know Rem cares deeply for her sister, even willing to take on a big chunk of their duties despite being the "younger one" (is she? I forget.) -We know Rem has no qualms about killing another she finds suspicious and a intentional danger to her only remaining relative. -We know Rem has overcompensated in order to match Rem, feeling inferior in terms of Demon power before her sister lost her horn. And eventually taking the helm as her sister protector to some extent out of guilt of her sister losing her prodigious power in order to protect her. -We also know she feels like trash for the passing thought of feeling somewhat happy her sister can no longer match her sister prowess in their inherit ability. -In spite of her murderous actions towards Subaru Rem has displayed a more accessible side to Subaru, after he showed how far he is wiling to go to save others and went to great lengths to protect Rem and nearly die once again. -We also see how far Rem is wiling to go for someone who is in danger, even if she initially seemed uneasy towards him at first. Running back into the forest alone to slaughter the creatures who would ultimately drain and kill Subaru. In spite of some of these events never happening it slowly paints a picture of what type of person Rem is or could be. A big mechanic of this story has an interesting way of presenting different angles of different characters and how their fates would ultimately be different had a singular instance not provoke them to do otherwise. In Emilia's case, sadly we haven't really been informed of that, in the eyes of an anime only viewer), which is little frustrating considering she is a main character. -She seems to be a well-meaning woman with considerable magical abilities. She uses this to help Subaru who appears corner by a group of thugs, showing she doesn't like injustice (usually implies a good nature). -We get she has a heritage that could mean trouble for her in the long run. -She is a candidate for the next ruler of the kingdom. -She shows great concern for others who are in danger and is willing to give them a shoulder (or lap) to lean on even if they are crying to cover it up (empathetic?) -Her competitors (at least two of them) have a lack of respect (or fear) for her as opposed to one another. Which may be attributed to her heritage, her appearance or the fact her apparent timid nature just makes her an easy target. That's about it. Interesting setup for a particular character, not so good 1/2 through a 20-some-odd-episode-series. P.S. Don't really care about Rem or Ram anymore the Emilia. Emilia's character design is more appealing to me. Not too into the maid trope, particularly when it involves rather young looking characters. TD;LR, Rem has opened more to Subaru than Emilia near the end to explain her truly misguided actions big whoop. Here's big thing that's missing and where piece falls apart. Regardless of how Rem feels Suabru only helped her out because during the 4th loop she shown wasn't complete bitch and fact his lively hood depended on it. That's it. He also would done same for anybody, hell he did for Emilia, Felt and Rom because that's part of his altruistic nature. So Rem isn't anything special nor story owe to her have Subaru fall for her anymore than anyone else. And far character depth is concerned at this point. Nobody is truly deep character at this point, however everyone certainly has characterizations and such to relate to their backgrounds or their current position. Whether they hinted at or bluntly displayed is irrelevant, because it still exist. It's not something have to look hard for. If your complaint about Emilia is that she somehow revolves around Subaru then you promoting double standards and intentionally being ignorant. Almost all Rem actions revoked around Subaru, when it was killing him, smelling his scent, working with and now liking him. Fact of matter is Emilia has plenty that doesn't have anything with Suabru either and your trying exaggerating things to prop your POV. -The issue with insignia and Elsa had nothing to do with him. -Her relationship with Roswaal has nothing to do with him -Her discrimination has nothing to do with him -Her candidacy has nothing to do with him -Her goals for the throne has nothing to do with him -Her contract with Puck has nothing to do with him -Her presumed backstory has nothing to do with him. All of this is directly shown the anime so there no excuse about being LN or WN to be thrown in here. The person who trying get in anyone's affairs is Subaru as stated by the character himself. You just took the fact that she lent him a helping hand a few and overblown to extremes. |
Iron_MawJun 21, 2016 10:06 AM
 Rem has opened more to Subaru than Emilia near the end to explain her truly misguided actions big whoop. Here's big thing that's missing and where piece falls apart. Regardless of how Rem feels Suabru only helped her out because during the 4th loop she shown wasn't complete bitch and fact his lively hood depended on it. That's it. He also would done same for anybody, hell he did for Emilia, Felt and Rom because that's part of his altruistic nature. So Rem isn't anything special nor story owe to her have Subaru fall for her anymore than anyone else. You're missing my point. It isn't about why Subaru decided to suicide and save Rem, it isn't why Rem is or isn't better than Emilia. This was only about how the more Rem each was featured we began to learn more things about her in opposition to Emilia being largely left in obscurity from roughly the time we found out she was a king's candidate. Like I stated somewhere else probably in another thread it's understandable Emilia's exposure may drop down a notch for the sake of introducing other characters, that fine. But it the way she has almost been put on shuffle-repeat coupled together with the majority of her scenes beginning and ending with Subaru's groveling and praising makes us wonder, why is she even a main character? Why does Subaru even like her, other than the fact she is an exotic and enchanted fairyland girl. Granted she is unlike any woman he's even seen. And far character depth is concerned at this point. Nobody is truly deep character at this point, however everyone certainly has characterizations and such to relate to their backgrounds or their current position. Whether they hinted at or bluntly displayed is irrelevant, because it still exist. It's not something have to look hard for. It's not about whether or not it's easy or hard to spot. Emilia' is beginning to feel more like .gif as we go forward her. |
| @Jagd84 But you know by this logic Rem shouldn't be falling in love Subaru right? ?? what logic? the post you quoted was me complaining about the Obsession, not Subaru falling for EMT. I even said that i don't have a problem with sudden romance. She's known him for even less Actually, Subaru did spend more time with Rem (and Ram) then EMF but all of sudden she's lovey with him. ''All of sudden'' I am not sure we are watching the same thing here, anyway... Rem treats Subaru the sameway that he treats Emilia she goes about better. Emilia - Subaru: Subaru 150% Obsessed, doesn't trust EMP to deal with her own matter, like she asked him to. Rem - Barusu: She supports him and helps him (like when she let him go to the castle because he wished too). I am not sensing 150% obsession from Rem atm. Basically what I'm saying is that it didn't come from nowhere, that is true any of relationships in this story regardless of one's preferred ship. And as i said, emotions are illogical, so np. My main problem is his obsession with her, and how there has been 0 development between them. This is the same guy who broke his own mana gate disabling him from using to save someone who once tried to killed him (who's become a waifu) and this what you complain about? You are comparing a fight Scene with Ep12.... I think your the one exaggerating if you think that was enough make them enemies. Being a supposed love rival does not equal enemies. It's not like Subaru going around punching in the face for it. The worst thing he's done has thrown out some barbs. Stop taking that scene so seriously. Why should i stop taking that seriously when Suffaru acted seriously jealous from just a handkiss. Something that doesn't really mean much. And throwing barbs at high class people can have consequences. Nobody is truly deep character at this point, however everyone certainly has characterizations and such to relate to their backgrounds or their current position. I am still awaiting Emilia's Characterization. |
I am still waiting for explanation on why someone who experienced two arcs of people trying to murder him, would get in into a carriage of a pretty ojousama going to the castlel, without any suspicions. Or with literally everything pointing to her being involved with candidacy, would think that its just Emilia jealous of him. Or how someone who was witty and perceptive suddenly starts being aggressive towards random rich people. Or someone who risked his life for others selflessly before suddenly decides to put his obsssion above Emilia's needs screwing up situation for her. Or why someone who was shown to have already accepted the reality of the situation and had a freaking mental break down over it suddenly is back thinking in game logic. All you will get is "something something, so clever, something something you will see, something something you are wrong" |
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Fai said: I am still waiting for explanation on why someone who experienced two arcs of people trying to murder him, would get in into a carriage of a pretty ojousama going to the castlel, without any suspicions. Or with literally everything pointing to her being involved with candidacy, would think that its just Emilia jealous of him. Or how someone who was witty and perceptive suddenly starts being aggressive towards random rich people. Or someone who risked his life for others selflessly before suddenly decides to put his obsssion above Emilia's needs screwing up situation for her. Or why someone who was shown to have already accepted the reality of the situation and had a freaking mental break down over it suddenly is back thinking in game logic. All you will get is "something something, so clever, something something you will see, something something you are wrong" This episode was just out of place. I suspect we're gonna get more characterization of Felt than we have of Emilia in the last 12 episodes. |
| Hot damn, Priscilla is hot. Subaru's faces were hilarious, lmao. That ending, though. Kinda predictable since Reinhard was announcing it, but damn, still a shocking moment. More of a calm episode this time and I liked it. |
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| Man this was awesme but i think felt was obvious 5th and the girl with the red dress reminds me of the psyco in data live i forgt her name tho this is filled with mysteries 1 more episord to go...this will go to my fav... |
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| that bitch went from a thief to a queen real quick. 0-100 real fuckin quick |
QWERTYFish25 said: You're missing my point. It isn't about why Subaru decided to suicide and save Rem, it isn't why Rem is or isn't better than Emilia. This was only about how the more Rem each was featured we began to learn more things about her in opposition to Emilia being largely left in obscurity from roughly the time we found out she was a king's candidate. Except not true. Things regarding Emilia revealed even during Arc 2 when she wasn't the main focus. The fact she was Princess, that she had benefactor, fact she no other friends outside Subaru and Puck are just examples. All these came about as direct conversations between Subaru and her. Like I stated somewhere else probably in another thread it's understandable Emilia's exposure may drop down a notch for the sake of introducing other characters, that fine. But it the way she has almost been put on shuffle-repeat coupled together with the majority of her scenes beginning and ending with Subaru's groveling and praising makes us wonder, why is she even a main character? Why does Subaru even like her, other than the fact she is an exotic and enchanted fairyland girl. Granted she is unlike any woman he's even seen. Again this position makes no sense unless you have never read a manga or LN before. Heroines during others character arcs take a backseat all the time. That does not mean they sudden less important, if anything the character backstories earlier are ones the eventually disappear from plot because what they can offer is decreases the long the story goes on. Look at this episode where Rem did absolutely nothing in comparison everyone else and had a barely a minute of screentime. Going by you logic she this show no longer relevant. Emilia does not need to be invoved in every single to assert her position as the Heroine, this decided relation to the hero, and greater plot. It's not about whether or not it's easy or hard to spot. Emilia' is beginning to feel more like .gif as we go forward her. No idea what talking about. Are implying you can predict Emilia's actions? That you knew she was political candidate? That she would attempt assuage Subaru's worries at one point? That she keep him from Royal Selection so he would not make trouble for her? That she is discriminated against? Sorry, but I don't by that. All of these were new things we have learned and seen about her whenever she came up on screen. Let me ask you question, what's Rem going do exactly? What's left for her background? Where are her personal goals that doesn't involve Subaru? Shrimperor said: @Jagd84 ?? what logic? the post you quoted was me complaining about the Obsession, not Subaru falling for EMT. I even said that i don't have a problem with sudden romance.? But your he one calling his love for her an obsession no? Even though it's just him being overprotective because he cares. Actually, Subaru did spend more time with Rem (and Ram) then EMF Wrong. The timeline of story by the end of arc 2 since Subaru came here (disregarding loops) was about 6 days. Emilia had already met Subaru before Rem and Ram where even known to exist. If we start including the loops which would shoot the length of time Subaru has been this world it look like this. Arc 1 Emilia- Other than 2nd loops he's interacted Emilia every time. Which lasted for 2-3 days. Arc 2 Emilia- Has interacted with Subaru in every loop and interacted with her the most during the 4th loop. Rem - Has interacted with Subaru in every loop other than 1st, 3rd and 4th loops which where very limited. Ram - Has interacted with Subaru as much Emilia, because it was her job to watch him, but since like her sister wasn't present for 1st arc it's less than Emilia. ''All of sudden'' I am not sure we are watching the same thing here, anyway... She is, did miss her dialogue when she called him cute? Only other character does that is Subaru towards Emilia. Romance in Anime is rarely subtle, ccmon man. Emilia - Subaru: Subaru 150% Obsessed, doesn't trust EMP to deal with her own matter, like she asked him to. Rem - Barusu: She supports him and helps him (like when she let him go to the castle because he wished too). I am not sensing 150% obsession from Rem atm. Nice try, but as Subaru as explained he's only ever useful when he's around to witness when something is happening because his ability does not grant him foresight. If Emilia where to die somewhere he did not learn in time or had no information how he would be screwed. Especially if the checkpoint decided to move past that point. The situation with Elsa taught him Emilia has many enemies within the capital and that can come from anywhere. I'm disappointed you ignored this because of your bias. Are you going to be reductive and disregard their reasons fr the things they do because you personal feelings? Oh and Rem should not have let him go for any reason considering that was direct order from her master. Is and very unprofessional which shows she come to put her feeling for Subaru over her duties. The Rem before would not have done this would have obey orders. And as i said, emotions are illogical, so np. My main problem is his obsession with her, and how there has been 0 development between them. Of course there hasn't between any romantic development between them. Subaru's feelings are one-sided, (like with Rem). To Emilia Subaru is just a good friend. You are comparing a fight Scene with Ep12.... Are you saying you can't be reckless in a fight or something? Are you joking? Nevermind hat isn't only instance of him being reckless, but this really makes no difference. Why should i stop taking that seriously when Suffaru acted seriously jealous from just a handkiss. Something that doesn't really mean much. And throwing barbs at high class people can have consequences. Because clearly played off comedy and Julius himself doesn't care? You are the one who made more out of than episode did. I am still awaiting Emilia's Characterization. K' -She's strong willed -A mild Tsundere -Calm and collected -Standoffish -Caring -Stern -Sensible -Competent I will even throw in Rem. -Loyal -Rash/Reckless -Caring -Competent -A good cook -Inferiority complex All this is the anime from all the episodes that have aired so far. So are still going with that meme that somehow Emilia lacks characterization in spite of that? If that isn't characterization then what is? |
Iron_MawJun 21, 2016 11:26 AM
| Yawn... 11 pages of fight, ain't got no energy fo dat, can't we just enjoy the hype that is coming without nitpicking every single possible mistake? I though everyone learned already that things are not always how this anime tries to show them. On that note, I have a question I'll put behind spoiler just in case: |
astroprogs said: If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you? Not air. |
QWERTYFish25 said: Fai said: I am still waiting for explanation on why someone who experienced two arcs of people trying to murder him, would get in into a carriage of a pretty ojousama going to the castlel, without any suspicions. Or with literally everything pointing to her being involved with candidacy, would think that its just Emilia jealous of him. Or how someone who was witty and perceptive suddenly starts being aggressive towards random rich people. Or someone who risked his life for others selflessly before suddenly decides to put his obsssion above Emilia's needs screwing up situation for her. Or why someone who was shown to have already accepted the reality of the situation and had a freaking mental break down over it suddenly is back thinking in game logic. All you will get is "something something, so clever, something something you will see, something something you are wrong" This episode was just out of place. I suspect we're gonna get more characterization of Felt than we have of Emilia in the last 12 episodes. To be honest it would make SOME sense if this and Arc 2 were switched around, but even then Subaru's behavior would feel out of place, just not this much. This could be great in theory if it dropped the "hey its LN tropes! We need sales" moments and just had this be all about mindgames with dude slowly going crazy , while trying to figure out shit and witch/Emilia trolling him towards insanity, while trying to keep up emilia facade and deal with rivals for the throne I DO hope this episode is just a fluke and we will dive full back into political mindgames next week. |
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| great way to bring felt back :D |
| We finally got to see all the candidates....and a surprise at the end too. Emilia looks so worried when she found Subaru with Priscilla, is it jealous or other things. Damn, it keeps getting interesting episode by episode. |
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Jagd84 said: QWERTYFish25 said: You're missing my point. It isn't about why Subaru decided to suicide and save Rem, it isn't why Rem is or isn't better than Emilia. This was only about how the more Rem each was featured we began to learn more things about her in opposition to Emilia being largely left in obscurity from roughly the time we found out she was a king's candidate. Except not true. Things regarding Emilia revealed even during Arc 2 when she wasn't the main focus. The fact she was Princess, that she had benefactor, fact she no other friends outside Subaru and Puck are just examples. All these came about as direct conversations between Subaru and her. Like I stated somewhere else probably in another thread it's understandable Emilia's exposure may drop down a notch for the sake of introducing other characters, that fine. But it the way she has almost been put on shuffle-repeat coupled together with the majority of her scenes beginning and ending with Subaru's groveling and praising makes us wonder, why is she even a main character? Why does Subaru even like her, other than the fact she is an exotic and enchanted fairyland girl. Granted she is unlike any woman he's even seen. Again this position makes no sense unless you have never read a manga or LN before. Heroines during others character arcs take a backseat all the time. That does not mean they sudden less important, if anything the character backstories earlier are ones the eventually disappear from plot because what they can offer is decreases the long the story goes on. Look at this episode where Rem did absolutely nothing in comparison everyone else and had a barely a minute of screentime. Going by you logic she this show no longer relevant. Emilia does not need to be invoved in every single to assert her position as the Heroine, this decided relation to the hero, and greater plot. That's it. I haven't read the LN or manga. I'm taking it as anime that features a story I've never seen before. I can give a shit about how deep or well-written its source is. You could have a critically acclaimed book with characters as deep as the rabbit hole in playboy mansion, it doesn't excuse the increasingly boring character(s) in the story. Her premise is cool though I've seen pieces of her in other works before. I still think she is kinda interesting but the anime keeps implying through its run-time that it mostly intends to keep her roughly where she is; just kinda interesting. I'm not gonna argue how deep or well-though out a character Satel-*cough* I mean Emilia really is. I'm basing it off the one source I'm following. *Niddy shurg* P.S. I don't know why you've painted me as a source reader when I've never mentioned it. Fai said: I DO hope this episode is just a fluke and we will dive full back into political mindgames next week. I DO hope this shit doesn't get rushed. |
| Sigh I should know better given people telling me about you so I will entertain this once. Fai said: I am still waiting for explanation on why someone who experienced two arcs of people trying to murder him, would get in into a carriage of a pretty ojousama going to the castlel, without any suspicions. Because he has already met and her knight? But they you conveniently forget that or fact Priscilla gains nothing from killing him. If she wanted him dead there better way to do that. Better question is why Subaru still not afraid of Rem the one who killed for things that were no fault of his own and is prone acting irrationally? Or with literally everything pointing to her being involved with candidacy, would think that its just Emilia jealous of him. Nothing point to her being a candidate other Emilia's reaction. But guess according to you every noble lady Subaru encounters is an candidate because just happens to be rich. Nevermind that he knows jackshiit about this system works to begin with. Please. Or how someone who was witty and perceptive suddenly starts being aggressive towards random rich people. Neither of things contradict each other. But like how you conivently thta this is the same person who: 1) Thought he had magic powers 2) Botch a negation by telling the same person who had stolen the insignia in first place that he was going to return it to it's owner. 3) Got stabbed by some punks in an alley because he decided to rush through them. 4) Constantly gets kicked out of a loli mage's library for saying stupid things and rude stuff half the time. Yet, somehow he's always witty and never aggressive LMAO. Look Subaru can be clever when wants (usually under pressure) but he's made plenty of mistakes and misread the several times. So I don't what hell your watching. Or someone who risked his life for others selflessly before suddenly decides to put his obsssion above Emilia's needs screwing up situation for her. Except he's still doing that. He's devotion to Emilia mostly selfless and still based around the debt he feels he owes her. Or why someone who was shown to have already accepted the reality of the situation and had a freaking mental break down over it suddenly is back thinking in game logic. He's not think on game logic. He's made meta game phases from time to time but that is it. It's not same thing. All you will get is "something something, so clever, something something you will see, something something you are wrong" Except you the only one reading like that. Not that this matters, you clearly watching a different show and seemingly can't grasp the obvious developments.. |
Iron_MawJun 21, 2016 12:05 PM
| @Jagd84 But your he one calling his love for her an obsession no? Even though it's just him being overprotective because he cares. There is a difference between love, being overprotective, and downright obsession, which Suffaru has for EMF atm. -Timeline- In the last loop of arc1, Subaru met Emilia during the Fight with Elsa. In Arc2, Barusu was most of the time with the maids, and only with Emilia during Training and Lap pillow scene. Are you saying you can't be reckless in a fight or something? Are you joking? You are comparing a fight where he had no other choice but to use magic with a Situation where he should've listened to EMF and not went against her orders. Atleast to make her trust him. o are still going with that meme that somehow Emilia lacks characterization in spite of that? If that isn't characterization then what is? Yes, because except her being a White Knight and a trophy we didn't see anything of her. Not even Interactions with other Characters. I hope the next few eps. prove me wrong and she gets a characterozation. hlubkoj2020 said: Emilia looks so worried when she found Subaru with Priscilla, is it jealous or other things. no, not Jealousy. It's suspicion. @Aurioch common m8, join the Fun :D |
Aurioch said: Yawn... 11 pages of fight, ain't got no energy fo dat, can't we just enjoy the hype that is coming without nitpicking every single possible mistake? I though everyone learned already that things are not always how this anime tries to show them. On that note, I have a question I'll put behind spoiler just in case: I'll answer you on your page. |
| @Jagd84 Better question is why Suabru still not afraid of Rem the one who killed for things that were no fault of his own and is prone acting irrationally? Because he already resolved the matter with the Maids. Let's not forget he was acting suspicous af and could've been a spy, especially with the witch's Scent. The Maids had every right to kill him. Look Subaru can be clever when wants to but he's made plenty of mistakes and misread the several times. I don't what hell your watching There is a difference between mistakes & misreading and being idiotic. Except he's still doing that. He's devotion to Emilia mostly selfless and still based around the debt he feels he owes her. Except that she asked him to stay this time. ''Make me trust you''. |
Will it end like this then? :D http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1456235&show=0 Aurioch said: Yawn... 11 pages of fight, ain't got no energy fo dat, can't we just enjoy the hype that is coming without nitpicking every single possible mistake? I though everyone learned already that things are not always how this anime tries to show them. On that note, I have a question I'll put behind spoiler just in case: Yes, there appears to be something hidden within her words. |
Re:Zero nice troll ending.  |
QWERTYFish25 said: That's it. I haven't read the LN or manga. I'm taking it as anime that features a story I've never seen before. I can give a shit about how deep or well-written its source is. You could have a critically acclaimed book with characters as deep as the rabbit hole in playboy mansion, it doesn't excuse the increasingly boring character(s) in the story. Her premise is cool though I've seen pieces of her in other works before. I still think she is kinda interesting but the anime keeps implying through its run-time that it mostly intends to keep her roughly where she is; just kinda interesting. I'm not gonna argue how deep or well-though out a character Satel-*cough* I mean Emilia really is. I'm basing it off the one source I'm following. *Niddy shurg* P.S. I don't know why you've painted me as a source reader when I've never mentioned it. Again stop with that excuse. No one thing I said has not been present in the anime. Not. one. thing. If your still bored by Emilia despite those things being present, that would be one thing and wouldn't contest your opinion on that because that is your opinion. But saying things like she has no characterization or you have learned nothing about her is false and impossible by any writing standard. You can't have conversation with someone who has no traits nor can that person take any action. |
Shrimperor said: @Jagd84 Better question is why Suabru still not afraid of Rem the one who killed for things that were no fault of his own and is prone acting irrationally? Because he already resolved the matter with the Maids. Let's not forget he was acting suspicous af and could've been a spy, especially with the witch's Scent. The Maids had every right to kill him. Look Subaru can be clever when wants to but he's made plenty of mistakes and misread the several times. I don't what hell your watching There is a difference between mistakes & misreading and being idiotic. Except he's still doing that. He's devotion to Emilia mostly selfless and still based around the debt he feels he owes her. Except that she asked him to stay this time. ''Make me trust you''. I find it ironic that jagd keeps attacking Rem considering the last arc LITERALLY explained Ram and Rem's motivations, characterized them and explained why they tried to kill Subaru, why Rem is so unstable and WHY Subaru is no longer afraid of them and why their relationship changed. In comparison all we have about Emilia is "She is nice and cares a lot and is totally the best ever and gets flustered around Subaru all the time" while subaru is completely obsessed with her and acting creepy. Again literally this sums up their characterization: Subaru spends time being a great character and then next episode he is suddenly all:  While emilia flip flops between being tsun tsun and emotionally manipulative suspicious crap like:  (not to mention the creepy lap scene that can be interpreted in very disturbing ways from her POV if she is Satella) The show keeps telling it as Pure awesome innocent heroine and her white knight, while showing Mr.Stalker and Lady Might-Be-Final-Villain instead. Rem's behavior and their interactions are grounded within development. AND are consistent while changing according to development. Subaru and Emilia flip flop between two extremes that both contradict each other completely. Especially Subaru. One Second Subaru is smart and likeable protagonist - the other second he might as well be screaming Asada-sanAsada-sanAsada-SanAsada-san. One second Emilia is this heroine that is just too naive for this world , the other she is suspicious as fuck character. At least Emilia's character changes can be argued via "She's Satella" theory and indeed show seems to believe that the sole thing it can interest us about her with is making us question whether she is sincere pure waifu or unsettling troll.. Subaru on other hand might as well have split personality as of this episode. There's absolutely no tangible reason for him to act as entirely different character and the show does not even present as if there has been a change in his behavior. Whatever, as long as next ep is back to political mindgames I will just headcanon that Subaru hit his head hard when he fell out of carriage and went idiotic for a while. That still however does not help with Emilia's lack of characterization or anything or making their relationship feel like anything that should be rooted for. Frankly at this point if this continues like this, the only way I could see this ending any way satisfying is Subaru learning its not worth it and going off to marry Rem, aka the more healthy relationship...Holy shit I just realized that Subaru and Rem - where one of them went batshit crazy and tried to kill him in multiple loops, IS MORE SANE than the show's supposed main pairing...gg. |
AhenshihaelJun 21, 2016 12:52 PM
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Shrimperor said: @Jagd84 There is a difference between love, being overprotective, and downright obsession, which Suffaru has for EMF atm. That is your opinion which is completely ridiculous, if he's obsessed with her right now he would forcing take her against her will or trying to rape her. Not pleading with her to take her with to the event. Who do think he is? Honestly I though your one of clear headed people on this forum, but I guess I was mistaken. In the last loop of arc1, Subaru met Emilia during the Fight with Elsa. In Arc2, Barusu was most of the time with the maids, and only with Emilia during Training and Lap pillow scene. ...Other just than partly regurgitating did literally completely forget that Suabru met Emilia 2 loop prior to last loop of Arc 1? Why the hell did you think he tried to save her in first freaking place?! Hoo boy in for surprise in this arc when this event you conveniently forgot get's brought up again. And no he met and conversed with Emilia in nearly every episode not just two instances. WTF. You are comparing a fight where he had no other choice but to use magic with a Situation where he should've listened to EMF and not went against her orders. Atleast to make her trust him. Yes because they both examples of recklessness regardless of reasons involved.The problem with first instance he wasn't even good magic to begin with and had failed to produce the proper effect the first time. He didn't know if was going to work and just winged it. He had his reasons of course but that is the point. It's the same here where Subaru literally explain himself, he needs to be her side when something major is going because that only way he can help with his ability to fix it. He does not want to get an situation where a check point will screw him over. What should have done is doing a better job of convincing Emilia of that fact, but force him into reaveling his ability. SO this his best option at this point. Yes, because except her being a White Knight and a trophy we didn't see anything of her. Not even Interactions with other Characters. I hope the next few eps. prove me wrong and she gets a characterozation. First off your sentence makes no sense. White Knight and trophy are not real traits. Second you sound like your applying it to her which is dumb. Third I don't think even know what characterization is. I just listed traits she (and Rem) has displayed right then and ignore it give me some nonsensical spewl and buzzwords had nothing to do with addressing my point. Truth of matter isn't Emilia doesn't have traits, you just don't care. I see that this conversation going nowhere and you just see what you want to see and ignore everything else. So I'm just gonna drop this here. |
| I don't understand you @Fai |
Fai said: While emilia flip flops between being tsun tsun and emotionally manipulative suspicious crap like: (not to mention the creepy lap scene that can be interpreted in very disturbing ways from her POV if she is Satella) The show keeps telling it as Pure awesome innocent heroine and her white knight, while showing Mr.Stalker and Lady Might-Be-Final-Villain instead. (Is it the fourth time?) She referred to his reckless behavior. There were many instances... When he placed himself between Elsa and Emilia. When he wanted to work, even after having exhausted his mana. Trying to solve the shaman issue by himself. Almost falling off the carriage. He breaking on her lap. He doesn't behaves. Gets hurt. Worries her. She then doesn't trusts him. He appears like a child to her. She held his hand, not even feeling embarrassed... Hahahah... Lol. At this point, she might be thinking of him like a son. |
Hydrous said: Man this was awesme but i think felt was obvious 5th and the girl with the red dress reminds me of the psyco in data live i forgt her name tho this is filled with mysteries 1 more episord to go...this will go to my fav... What do you mean "one more"? ChutneyTooSpicy said: Also wonder whats the deal with Wilhelm and why he can tell Subaru has the eyes of someone has seen death, this is getting really interesting. Maybe it's just the feeling he got? Not necessarily that he knows it. |
SirLezardJun 21, 2016 1:24 PM
"Vaut mieux se suffire à soi que finir assoiffé dans le monde des apparences."  |
iRels said: noun 1. desire to inflict injury, harm, or suffering on another, either because of a hostile impulse or out of deep-seated meanness: the malice and spite of a lifelong enemy. 2. Law. evil intent on the part of a person who commits a wrongful act injurious to others. She's not rude to others. She lacks the intention to. She's humility. She's the purest-minded character in the show. Anastasia and Priscilla can't compare. Crusch might be airheaded like you said, but is militaristic. She's let it show in her assumption about the reunion. But it's also shown in her clothes. So I presume she's the mind of one prepared to inflict injure to another. And would appear to enjoy it. (But would Emilia? Would Felt? No.) Emilia is none of that. She's virtuous. And every of the related synonyms. She's almost angelic. Weren't she mortal, she'd fit such role. Again the problem with point your putting traits into people you don't know yet or aren't show to really exist. I mean how do you know Crusch is militaristic? None of Luginca's military wear outfits like that. Nor there is any stating that her family has relations with the army. She may own a private army like most nobles, but again that doesn't make them particular inclined to violence to get what they want. And angelic people wouldn't lie to others or attempt solve deputes with violence ever. Those are not virtuous characteristics. Sure Emilia is kind and type of person not to pick unnecessary fights, but she will if she has to. Your overselling their traits. iRels said: Fai said: While emilia flip flops between being tsun tsun and emotionally manipulative suspicious crap like: (not to mention the creepy lap scene that can be interpreted in very disturbing ways from her POV if she is Satella) The show keeps telling it as Pure awesome innocent heroine and her white knight, while showing Mr.Stalker and Lady Might-Be-Final-Villain instead. (Is it the fourth time?) She referred to his reckless behavior. There were many instances... When he placed himself between Elsa and Emilia. When he wanted to work, even after having exhausted his mana. Trying to solve the shaman issue by himself. Almost falling off the carriage. He breaking on her lap. He doesn't behaves. Gets hurt. Worries her. She then doesn't trusts him. He appears like a child to her. She held his hand, not even feeling embarrassed... Hahahah... Lol. At this point, she might be thinking of him like a son. You surprised that @Fai doesn't realize these things when he's to busy bashing her? But apparently she isn't a character so he doesn't bother consider her perspective despite how important for every character's actions in this show. |
Iron_MawJun 21, 2016 1:27 PM
| @jagd84 ...Other just than partly regurgitating did literally completely forget that Suabru met Emilia 2 loop prior to last loop of Arc 1? Why the hell did you think he tried to save her in first freaking place?! Nope, i didn't forget xD I already said that he developed a crush/fell for her during the first ep... I see that this conversation going nowhere and you just see what you want to see and ignore everything else. Yup. Same with you *returns to football* iRels said: Lol. At this point, she might be thinking of him like a son. The Mama-zone is real haha xD |
ShrimperorJun 21, 2016 1:32 PM
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