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Apr 13, 2016 2:29 PM
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| I don't feel like I have to put a spoiler on this because the new movie hasn't been released yet and I'm crafting this theory based on the old extended universe, Star Wars Legends and so on. Consider the following. In the extended universe: Han Solo and Leia Organa have 3 children. A twin brother and sister and a younger son named Anakin after his maternal grandfather. Jacen Solo, Jaina Solo and Anakin solo are all force sensitive and train in the Jedi ways, however Jacen solo (named in The Force Awakens "Ben Solo, AKA Kylo Ren) turned to the dark side after being trained by Luke Skywalker and took the Sith title of Darth Caedus under the tutelage of Shira Brie aka Lumiya. In The Force Awakens it was revealed that Ben Solo had turned to the dark side just as Jacen Solo had and became a sith lord just as Jacen Solo had, under the name Kylo Ren, murdered his father JUST as Darth Caedus had. In Maz Katana's castle on Takodana Rei discovers Luke's lightsaber after it appears to call to her, this would lead to the conclusion that Rei is Luke's daughter, which is possible after all because: In the extended universe Luke Skywalker weds and sires a SON with Mara Jade Skywalker who was named... get this, BEN SKYWALKER after Obi-Wan's alias on Tatooine. So it is possible, yes.. POSSIBLE that Rei is Luke's gender bent child from the extended universe since she is force sensitive and actually quite powerful in the application of the force, using it as well as young Padawan while she was captured on the First Order's planet. HOWEVER. That lightsaber originally belonged to... none other than... Anakin Skywalker himself, Darth Vader. The Jedi turned Sith until his death and ultimate redemption when he overthrew Darth Sidious on the second Death Star, killing his former master and preventing Luke's decent into the dark side of the force and revealing the good that was still in his soul. It is shown that Anakin Skywalker with the help of Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon Jin was able to manifest a force ghost, a technique that Qui-Gon found and developed and one of the principal feats ONLY those attuned to the Living Force (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Living_Force/Legends) can achieve through those means. Anakin Skywalker managed to retain his identity after death and through the force, project his consciousness into the physical world... Now why... Why would Anakin Skywalker do this. Because he is Rei's grand father, and the Grand father of Kylo Ren, they are paternal twins and Darth Vader died for the light side of the force and to fulfill the Jedi Prophecy. He is leading Rei to Luke to be trained and therefore stop Ben Solo and his quest to carry on Darth Vader's legacy, which is shown in Ben's absolute reverence for the burned mask Vader wore, but Vader shed that identity the moment he died for the greater good, which is why he was able to manifest a force ghost at all. Discuss. Do you think I'm wrong? Do you have a theory of your own? I don't feel like this needs a spoiler as of right now there's no way to know for certain if this is true or not. |
LothloranApr 13, 2016 2:33 PM
Apr 13, 2016 2:34 PM
#2
| What if she ends up being Luke's kid tho |
Apr 13, 2016 2:36 PM
#3
dizzyur said: What if she ends up being Luke's kid tho Then that's the last Star Wars movie I'll ever pay to see. I can understand changing the extended universe story a little bit, such as the "First Order" and the giant death star which were never included in Legends or any of the comic books / novels / etc.. But, spitting on the central theme of the extended universe is something I cannot and will not forgive. Because in the extended universe Jacen Solo (aka Darth Caedus) is killed by his sister Jaina Solo All of this lead up to the reconstitution of The New Jedi Order in 41 ABY (After Battle of Yarvin IV) And get a load of this k? Jaina Solo married Jagged Fel... and who was Jagged Fel? A former member of The Hand of the Empire, in short... A bad guy turned good. Who is Fin? A stormtrooper turned Good Guy. And get a load of this while you're at it. Jaina Solo Fel was a Human female Jedi Master of the New Jedi Order, member of the Jedi High Council, the wife of Jagged Fel, the twin sister of Jacen Solo and the older sister of Anakin Solo. Born to Han and Leia Organa Solo, she inherited her father's mechanical aptitude and her mother's Force sensitivity, resulting in her eventual training at the Jedi Praxeum. During her time there as a youth, she had many adventures, including helping to thwart the Second Imperium, where she helped Zekk abandon the dark side of the Force and join the ranks of the Jedi. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jaina_Solo_Fel Inherited her father's mechanical aptitude. What is Rei constantly doing? Apropos of nothing? Pulling electronic shit out of machines to magically fix the Millennium Falcon or open doors on the First Order base. Come on nigga |
LothloranApr 13, 2016 2:46 PM
Apr 13, 2016 3:39 PM
#4
| ... But Han Solo didn't seem to know her at all. Nor did Leia. I once saw a theory saying Rei was Anakin's reincarnation. I liked the theory, even if it seems unlikely. |
Apr 13, 2016 3:56 PM
#5
| Oh... that actually makes sense... and Rey could have been stolen along with Han Solo's ship. This is just a theory. Then again that wouldn't quite explain her flashbacks... Then again maybe she's just Luke Skywalker's daughter. |
BasudeApr 13, 2016 4:39 PM
Apr 13, 2016 4:00 PM
#6
dizzyur said: What if she ends up being Luke's kid tho This was my impression all along, I highly doubt she's his daughter |
Apr 13, 2016 4:02 PM
#7
| Wat? So you're telling me that: |
| Be thankful for the wisdom granted to you. |
Apr 13, 2016 4:37 PM
#9
| I dont think shes hans daughter, it suits the narrative more to have her be skywalkers. The only thing that made me think it might be was the fact she had parents and they left her on jakku. I guess if she is hans seeing her father die might turn her to the darkside which might be a good plot device for the last films. |
Apr 13, 2016 4:39 PM
#10
Nyarlathothep said: ... But Han Solo didn't seem to know her at all. Nor did Leia. I once saw a theory saying Rei was Anakin's reincarnation. I liked the theory, even if it seems unlikely. Well I'm just basing my theory off of the extended universe and how JJ Abrams SORT of incorporated it into Ep. 7 But that being said, no Jedi has ever reincarnated, a few Sith Lords have but not into a completely new body, I believe Darth Plagious "reincarnated" as a corporeal force ghost entity and I know that the Ghost of Sidious took control of Luke but other than that it doesn't exist as a concept in the Star Wars universe. I sincerely hope it doesn't get added either, there are too many series and universes which rely on reincarnation. But yeah, no, yeah... If Abrams is loosely basing his retelling of future events inside the Star Wars universe then it's almost assured that Rei will be Han Solo's daughter. Han Solo also could not have possibly recognized her, since she was abandoned as a young child on Jakku, but there are some exchanges between the two that allude to her being Han's daughter. I made mention of her mechanical prowess, which was said to have come from Han Solo in his Legend's daughter Jiana, as well as the force sensitivity which came from Leia's bloodline.. But not only that,on Takodana outside of Maz Katana's castle, Han offers Ray a job apropos of nothing and there's a look he gives her, that belies a sort of knowledge of her character. Coupling THIS with the fact that Harrison Ford..... ABSOLUTELY FUCKING HATES STAR WARS, I wouldn't put it past him to sneak something into the film that would belie the script of following productions. But yeah... it comes down to whether or not you think Abrams will continue loosely working with elements of the extended universe like he did with Kylo Ren's character being based off Jacen Solo or if he'll completely redesign the series like he did with the Star Trek movie. And while we're on that subject, can I for just a second talk about Star Trek and JJ Abrams, what the fucking shit is Red Matter and how does this invalidate the Temporal Accord established in Captain Archer's: Enterprise series. I mean... the whole basis for that series was stopping the Temporal Cold War and thwarting the Xindi's plan to destroy earth for something it hadn't even done yet and the Federation with the help of "Crewman Danials" who actually traveled back in time from the 31st century. WTF ABRAMS STAHP FUCKING WITH THINGS THAT DON'T BELONG TO YOU. |
Apr 13, 2016 4:41 PM
#11
Ninja'ed T__T. I came here just to post this. Here, have a kawaii Rei gif: Best grill in the whole world, 3d included. |
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Apr 13, 2016 4:49 PM
#12
| Blackheart said: I dont think shes hans daughter, it suits the narrative more to have her be skywalkers. The only thing that made me think it might be was the fact she had parents and they left her on jakku. I guess if she is hans seeing her father die might turn her to the darkside which might be a good plot device for the last films. Impossible. Like I said I'm basing this all on the extended universe. She avenges her father's death in 41 ABY (after the battle of Yarvin 4) and she also is strong enough in the force to help her master, Luke, expel the corrupting force of Darth Sidious when he attempts to infect Luke's body with his Force Ghost. She never turns to the dark side, and in fact, seeing her father die at the hands of a Sith only strengthens her resolve in the Light side of the force, seeing the pain that evil can cause she doesn't want any part of it. Although... it's a bit squiffy, the whole thing. The lines of Light and Dark, Mace Windu and Qui-Gon Jin were both held in suspicion by the Jedi High-Council for being "too close for comfort" to the dark side, Windu especially considering he practiced Form VII: Juyo which was the most aggressive lightsaber combat style, also practiced by Darth Maul, and Qui-Gon Jin used Form V: Djem So which was also practiced by Darth Vader, it was known as a "gray" stance because it incorperated both defensive posture while at the same time allowed for aggressive maneuvers and blending the two ideas of attack and defense such as using the saber to both defend from a blaster while also at the same time deflecting the particles back at the shooter. And while, yes... Yoda said that a Jedi NEVER attacks only defends, we've seen many examples of Jedi attacking as long as it preserved the greater good, such as in the clone wars or during the chaos that ensued after Order 66 was passed, we see Yoda straight up decapitate two clone troopers. so I don't think there's any fear that Ray could fall, her emotions (as long as they worked for the Light side) don't really mean anything in terms of falling to the dark side. |
Apr 13, 2016 5:04 PM
#13
Lothloran said: And while, yes... Yoda said that a Jedi NEVER attacks only defends, we've seen many examples of Jedi attacking as long as it preserved the greater good, such as in the clone wars or during the chaos that ensued after Order 66 was passed, we see Yoda straight up decapitate two clone troopers. . Good Defence is a good offensive. EU isnt canon any more though so I know what you're saying. The thing is they have 2 films maybe some other stuff like Rough one. And i think they'll go for the Rei is lost to the darkside and comes back somehow. I'm also wondering if they're going to bring skywalkers wife into the mix since she was the hand of the emperor and a force user. Jason kills her which would bea great set up for Darth emo to really anger rei for her to lose her control and turn to the darkside and the struggle to come back fighting her father in the last film as he tries to save her. Or maybe Mara dies, luke turns to the darkside and Rei brings him back in the third film like the POTTERY it will inevitably be. Oh and Mara a Luke leaving her on Jakku makes sense now too. If shes lukes daughter. Close to tatooine, far from the the first order. Its POTTERY im telling you. |
Apr 13, 2016 5:13 PM
#15
Clebardman said: Ninja'ed T__T. I came here just to post this. Here, have a kawaii Rei gif: Best grill in the whole world, 3d included. No worries; your contribution is much appreciated! |
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Apr 13, 2016 5:19 PM
#16
HapHazrD said: You give Abrams way too much credit. You're probably right. I'm sure the next film or two will reveal how right you are. :( I'm just hopeful that he has SOME respect for the greater story of Star Wars and doesn't completely sodomize it's ravaged corpse. |
Apr 13, 2016 5:25 PM
#17
Lothloran said: HapHazrD said: You give Abrams way too much credit. You're probably right. I'm sure the next film or two will reveal how right you are. :( I'm just hopeful that he has SOME respect for the greater story of Star Wars and doesn't completely sodomize it's ravaged corpse. Talking about sodomy, I'm not too familiar (understand mostly ignorant) with the extended universe, but is there a notourious gay couple in it ? Cause I remember seeing Abrams was pretty adamant about making one appear. |
Apr 13, 2016 5:39 PM
#18
HapHazrD said: Lothloran said: HapHazrD said: You give Abrams way too much credit. You're probably right. I'm sure the next film or two will reveal how right you are. :( I'm just hopeful that he has SOME respect for the greater story of Star Wars and doesn't completely sodomize it's ravaged corpse. Talking about sodomy, I'm not too familiar (understand mostly ignorant) with the extended universe, but is there a notourious gay couple in it ? Cause I remember seeing Abrams was pretty adamant about making one appear. As far as I know... in terms of Lucas Canon, it goes G-Canon: For George Lucas canon, anything in the original 6 films and anything else published or unpublished that Lucas oversaw or had any involvement with Then T-Canon, for the television series, C-Canon for continuity canon, this is where SOME LGBT characters exist in video games. Specifically in Knights of the Old Republic it was possible for Juhani to profess her love to either a male or female. And in KotORII Luxa and Belaya were lesbians. That's pretty much as far as it goes. There's some debate about Goran Beviin in the Legacy of the Force series being in a gay relationship with Medrit Vasur... So... yes but it's not strictly *serious* canon. Since the games have definitely deviated from the higher levels of Canon before.. Rogue Squadron and X-Wing being prime examples of this. According to the official Canon list released by Kathleen Kennedy, NONE of the Legacy of the Force novels are main canon, and certainly none of the games are. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_canon It has been stated that from April 2014 onward, all released material should be considered canon unless stated otherwise |
Apr 13, 2016 5:48 PM
#19
Lothloran said: HapHazrD said: Lothloran said: HapHazrD said: You give Abrams way too much credit. You're probably right. I'm sure the next film or two will reveal how right you are. :( I'm just hopeful that he has SOME respect for the greater story of Star Wars and doesn't completely sodomize it's ravaged corpse. Talking about sodomy, I'm not too familiar (understand mostly ignorant) with the extended universe, but is there a notourious gay couple in it ? Cause I remember seeing Abrams was pretty adamant about making one appear. As far as I know... in terms of Lucas Canon, it goes G-Canon: For George Lucas canon, anything in the original 6 films and anything else published or unpublished that Lucas oversaw or had any involvement with Then T-Canon, for the television series, C-Canon for continuity canon, this is where SOME LGBT characters exist in video games. Specifically in Knights of the Old Republic it was possible for Juhani to profess her love to either a male or female. And in KotORII Luxa and Belaya were lesbians. That's pretty much as far as it goes. There's some debate about Goran Beviin in the Legacy of the Force series being in a gay relationship with Medrit Vasur... So... yes but it's not strictly *serious* canon. Since the games have definitely deviated from the higher levels of Canon before.. Rogue Squadron and X-Wing being prime examples of this. According to the official Canon list released by Kathleen Kennedy, NONE of the Legacy of the Force novels are main canon, and certainly none of the games are. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_canon It has been stated that from April 2014 onward, all released material should be considered canon unless stated otherwise Ok so seeing as there was talk about a Poe/Finn romance and both actors actively encouraged it, that Rei/Poe (Jaina/Jagged) romance may be already thrown aside. My best guess is they took their ideas of characters from the extended universe and remodeled them to fit their agendas. If Rei was really Kylo's sister, more than a surprise, it would be a disappointment to me. I mean they already made a copypasta from episode 4 to 7, they don't need to take the same sibling relationship. |
Apr 13, 2016 5:50 PM
#20
| There is nobody called Rei in the Star Wars movies, and Ayanami Rei sure isn't Han Solos daughter. |
Apr 13, 2016 5:52 PM
#21
HapHazrD said: Lothloran said: HapHazrD said: Lothloran said: HapHazrD said: You give Abrams way too much credit. You're probably right. I'm sure the next film or two will reveal how right you are. :( I'm just hopeful that he has SOME respect for the greater story of Star Wars and doesn't completely sodomize it's ravaged corpse. Talking about sodomy, I'm not too familiar (understand mostly ignorant) with the extended universe, but is there a notourious gay couple in it ? Cause I remember seeing Abrams was pretty adamant about making one appear. As far as I know... in terms of Lucas Canon, it goes G-Canon: For George Lucas canon, anything in the original 6 films and anything else published or unpublished that Lucas oversaw or had any involvement with Then T-Canon, for the television series, C-Canon for continuity canon, this is where SOME LGBT characters exist in video games. Specifically in Knights of the Old Republic it was possible for Juhani to profess her love to either a male or female. And in KotORII Luxa and Belaya were lesbians. That's pretty much as far as it goes. There's some debate about Goran Beviin in the Legacy of the Force series being in a gay relationship with Medrit Vasur... So... yes but it's not strictly *serious* canon. Since the games have definitely deviated from the higher levels of Canon before.. Rogue Squadron and X-Wing being prime examples of this. According to the official Canon list released by Kathleen Kennedy, NONE of the Legacy of the Force novels are main canon, and certainly none of the games are. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_canon It has been stated that from April 2014 onward, all released material should be considered canon unless stated otherwise Ok so seeing as there was talk about a Poe/Finn romance and both actors actively encouraged it, that Rei/Poe (Jaina/Jagged) romance may be already thrown aside. My best guess is they took their ideas of characters from the extended universe and remodeled them to fit their agendas. If Rei was really Kylo's sister, more than a surprise, it would be a disappointment to me. I mean they already made a copypasta from episode 4 to 7, they don't need to take the same sibling relationship. :P the alternative is that they'd be cousins. Either way, they're family related. It's still going to be called copy pasta regardless, so I'd rather them stay fair to the established story while they continue pushing their new marxist agenda onto the Saga. |
Apr 13, 2016 5:53 PM
#22
Insertanamehere said: There is nobody called Rei in the Star Wars movies, and Ayanami Rei sure isn't Han Solos daughter. I spelled it wrong, get over it. My bad. I don't care enough about her to memorize her shitty three letter name. |
Apr 13, 2016 7:05 PM
#23
| Rey being Han Solo and Leia's daughter makes no sense. It's never mentioned in the movie that they even have other children. Han Solo and Leia express no familiarity with Rey either. They don't know who she is. Rey was abandoned on that planet long ago and has since been waiting for her family to return. Why would Leia and Han Solo abandon their daughter and never go back for her on the planet they left her in? Why kill off Han Solo and miss a possible family reunion? None of it makes any sense. The Force Awakens had a terrible plot and Rey was OP from the very beginning. She pilots Han Solos ship better than him despite it being her first time, is able to use the the force mind ability with zero training and beat the main sith villian in not only a duel but read his mind and block his mind reading abilities. Overall a terrible edition to the franchise. More importantly why does Fin have an upbeat and emotional personality when he was training to be a stormtrooper since he was a child. What the actual fuck? |
SaturdayKrushApr 13, 2016 7:08 PM
Apr 13, 2016 7:20 PM
#24
SaturdayKrush said: Rey being Han Solo and Leia's daughter makes no sense. It's never mentioned in the movie that they even have other children. Han Solo and Leia express no familiarity with Rey either. They don't know who she is. Rey was abandoned on that planet long ago and has since been waiting for her family to return. Why would Leia and Han Solo abandon their daughter and never go back for her on the planet they left her in? Why kill off Han Solo and miss a possible family reunion? None of it makes any sense. The Force Awakens had a terrible plot and Rey was OP from the very beginning. She pilots Han Solos ship better than him despite it being her first time, is able to use the the force mind ability with zero training and beat the main sith villian in not only a duel but read his mind and block his mind reading abilities. Overall a terrible edition to the franchise. More importantly why does Fin have an upbeat and emotional personality when he was training to be a stormtrooper since he was a child. What the actual fuck? LOL why? why would they abandon her? Because she's Jedi and Kylo Ren wiped out ALL the Jedi Luke was training. D. U. H. The reason Leia didn't even acknowledge familiarity with her (even though she DID when Han died, the way they spoke implied a MUCH more intimate relationship than "Hey, I just met you and this is crazy, Han is dead, killed by his baby!") Would be to protect her from the attention if it came out to the public that she was force sensitive. DUH D. U. H Plus you just answered your own questions. The story itself was sloppy... if the story were told perfectly then maybe your point would be much more valid, but as it were, the whole thing is so murky and poorly written, any argument like "It doesn't make sense" and I'd be like "well... yeah, and? None of it makes sense but this is plausible based on the extended universe that Abrams is drawing material from" I also said that Rey could be Lukes daughter because they DID swap Ben Skywalker for Ben Solo, making Lukes son's name Han Solo's son's name, it would leave a space to gender swap the Skywalker child. However, that would totally destroy the established continuity that Abrams is drawing from, because I'm telling you this, pretty much everything in the Ep. 7 film is just a re-named person/location/thing from the original G/T/C levels of canon. ;0 I would be extremely disappointed if she were Luke's daughter simply because Ben Skywalker doesn't even learn from Luke to begin with, Jacen solo is his first master, and the way Ep. 7 ended it doesn't look like Rey is going to take up learning from Kylo Ren. Of course, Abrams IS telling his own story... and none of that matters, the point is he IS still using the extended universe as a basis for his script. |
LothloranApr 13, 2016 7:27 PM
Apr 13, 2016 8:16 PM
#25
Lothloran said: SaturdayKrush said: Rey being Han Solo and Leia's daughter makes no sense. It's never mentioned in the movie that they even have other children. Han Solo and Leia express no familiarity with Rey either. They don't know who she is. Rey was abandoned on that planet long ago and has since been waiting for her family to return. Why would Leia and Han Solo abandon their daughter and never go back for her on the planet they left her in? Why kill off Han Solo and miss a possible family reunion? None of it makes any sense. The Force Awakens had a terrible plot and Rey was OP from the very beginning. She pilots Han Solos ship better than him despite it being her first time, is able to use the the force mind ability with zero training and beat the main sith villian in not only a duel but read his mind and block his mind reading abilities. Overall a terrible edition to the franchise. More importantly why does Fin have an upbeat and emotional personality when he was training to be a stormtrooper since he was a child. What the actual fuck? LOL why? why would they abandon her? Because she's Jedi and Kylo Ren wiped out ALL the Jedi Luke was training. D. U. H. The reason Leia didn't even acknowledge familiarity with her (even though she DID when Han died, the way they spoke implied a MUCH more intimate relationship than "Hey, I just met you and this is crazy, Han is dead, killed by his baby!") Would be to protect her from the attention if it came out to the public that she was force sensitive. DUH D. U. H Plus you just answered your own questions. The story itself was sloppy... if the story were told perfectly then maybe your point would be much more valid, but as it were, the whole thing is so murky and poorly written, any argument like "It doesn't make sense" and I'd be like "well... yeah, and? None of it makes sense but this is plausible based on the extended universe that Abrams is drawing material from" I also said that Rey could be Lukes daughter because they DID swap Ben Skywalker for Ben Solo, making Lukes son's name Han Solo's son's name, it would leave a space to gender swap the Skywalker child. However, that would totally destroy the established continuity that Abrams is drawing from, because I'm telling you this, pretty much everything in the Ep. 7 film is just a re-named person/location/thing from the original G/T/C levels of canon. ;0 I would be extremely disappointed if she were Luke's daughter simply because Ben Skywalker doesn't even learn from Luke to begin with, Jacen solo is his first master, and the way Ep. 7 ended it doesn't look like Rey is going to take up learning from Kylo Ren. Of course, Abrams IS telling his own story... and none of that matters, the point is he IS still using the extended universe as a basis for his script. Luke was training Kylo Ren until he rebelled. Rey is almost the same age he is. The theory doesn't make sense. |
SaturdayKrushApr 13, 2016 8:28 PM
Apr 13, 2016 8:24 PM
#26
| I think she'll be a test tube baby made from Anakins juices by Snoke |
Apr 13, 2016 8:30 PM
#27
ViolettSky said: I highly doubt she's Luke's daughter because that would be far too predictable and bad writing. I don't think even JJ Abrams, as a writer, is that dumb. Everyone is expecting this. She may have been trained by Luke Skywalker, but I believe that's it. I hope she's not related to anyone from the previous movies. The galaxy is huge. Why does everything need to be connected? dizzyur said: What if she ends up being Luke's kid tho This was my impression all along, I doubt she's his daughter |
Apr 13, 2016 8:33 PM
#28
SaturdayKrush said: Lothloran said: SaturdayKrush said: Rey being Han Solo and Leia's daughter makes no sense. It's never mentioned in the movie that they even have other children. Han Solo and Leia express no familiarity with Rey either. They don't know who she is. Rey was abandoned on that planet long ago and has since been waiting for her family to return. Why would Leia and Han Solo abandon their daughter and never go back for her on the planet they left her in? Why kill off Han Solo and miss a possible family reunion? None of it makes any sense. The Force Awakens had a terrible plot and Rey was OP from the very beginning. She pilots Han Solos ship better than him despite it being her first time, is able to use the the force mind ability with zero training and beat the main sith villian in not only a duel but read his mind and block his mind reading abilities. Overall a terrible edition to the franchise. More importantly why does Fin have an upbeat and emotional personality when he was training to be a stormtrooper since he was a child. What the actual fuck? LOL why? why would they abandon her? Because she's Jedi and Kylo Ren wiped out ALL the Jedi Luke was training. D. U. H. The reason Leia didn't even acknowledge familiarity with her (even though she DID when Han died, the way they spoke implied a MUCH more intimate relationship than "Hey, I just met you and this is crazy, Han is dead, killed by his baby!") Would be to protect her from the attention if it came out to the public that she was force sensitive. DUH D. U. H Plus you just answered your own questions. The story itself was sloppy... if the story were told perfectly then maybe your point would be much more valid, but as it were, the whole thing is so murky and poorly written, any argument like "It doesn't make sense" and I'd be like "well... yeah, and? None of it makes sense but this is plausible based on the extended universe that Abrams is drawing material from" I also said that Rey could be Lukes daughter because they DID swap Ben Skywalker for Ben Solo, making Lukes son's name Han Solo's son's name, it would leave a space to gender swap the Skywalker child. However, that would totally destroy the established continuity that Abrams is drawing from, because I'm telling you this, pretty much everything in the Ep. 7 film is just a re-named person/location/thing from the original G/T/C levels of canon. ;0 I would be extremely disappointed if she were Luke's daughter simply because Ben Skywalker doesn't even learn from Luke to begin with, Jacen solo is his first master, and the way Ep. 7 ended it doesn't look like Rey is going to take up learning from Kylo Ren. Of course, Abrams IS telling his own story... and none of that matters, the point is he IS still using the extended universe as a basis for his script. Luke was training Kylo Ren until he rebelled. Rey is almost the same age he is. The theory doesn't make sense. it makes more sense than Luke dumping his force sensitive child on some shitball planet then going to train other force sensitives in the ways of the Force lololol we also don't know how old Rey is in relation to Ren. Ren is at least in his late 20s, maybe even early 30s since Han and Leia have been separated for over a decade and a half at least and that was after Ren went rogue, Han could have easily dumped her there as a young child if JJ ignores the fact that she was Jacen's twin. Especially considering she was clearly being trained by Luke, Luke could have dropped her off there on his way to exile, and if she were his own daughter it would make absolutely NO sense to do that, he'd take her into exile with him to continue her training. |
Apr 13, 2016 8:34 PM
#29
Ezekiel said: ViolettSky said: I highly doubt she's Luke's daughter because that would be far too predictable and bad writing. I don't think even JJ Abrams, as a writer, is that dumb. Everyone is expecting this. She may have been trained by Luke Skywalker, but I believe that's it. I hope she's not related to anyone from the previous movies. The galaxy is huge. Why does everything need to be connected? dizzyur said: What if she ends up being Luke's kid tho This was my impression all along, I doubt she's his daughter Because the material he based the script on from the extended universe. |
Apr 13, 2016 8:36 PM
#30
Lothloran said: Based on what? Explain. I don't know the expanded universe well, but fanboys keep complaining that they threw out the EU in favor of a new story and only kept some elements.Ezekiel said: ViolettSky said: dizzyur said: What if she ends up being Luke's kid tho This was my impression all along, I doubt she's his daughter Because the material he based the script on from the extended universe. |
Apr 13, 2016 8:45 PM
#31
| Too lazy to read more than half of OP's post, or anyone else's comments, so forgive me if anyone else has said this but - I don't think Rey is the daughter of Leia/Han, or the daughter of Luke. I think Rey is the reincarnation of Anakin himself. She's unnaturally strong in the force. She's a natural born pilot and good with machines and tech in general. She had weird visions when she found Anakin's lightsaber - Yet Anakin's own son, Luke, never did. I could probably go on, but meh, lazy. I think the writers WANT us to assume Luke and Rey are father and daughter. But it's WAY too obvious, and would be really shitty writing. |
Apr 13, 2016 8:57 PM
#32
| Pretty sure the extended universe isn't really cannon. The only thing that truly matters are the 7 movies released thus far and the ones upcoming. |
Apr 13, 2016 9:35 PM
#33
Soul-Master said: Pretty sure the extended universe isn't really cannon. The only thing that truly matters are the 7 movies released thus far and the ones upcoming. I linked the official list of Canon released by Kathleen Kennedy. it includes 32 BBY (Phantom Menace) to 34 ABY (Force awakens) but also includes several novels, several comic books and two video games as official G level canon. The T- level canon is also considered to be legit as well as about 70% of the C- level canon with the exception of SOME cross over material. The extended universe is very much canon, just because it's not G-level canon doesn't make it N-canon, the Clone Wars series on cartoon network is considered canonical as well as a majority of novels, most of the comic books, a handful of games, etc. G-canon was George Lucas canon: Considered absolute canon, it included Episodes I–VI (the released films at that time), and any statements by George Lucas (including unpublished production notes from him or his production department that are never seen by the public). Elements originating with Lucas in the scripts, filmed deleted scenes, film novelizations, reference books, radio plays, and other primary sources were also G-canon when not in contradiction with the released films. G-canon overrided the lower levels of canon when there was a contradiction. T-canon was Television canon:[7] referred to the canon level comprising only the animated film Star Wars: The Clone Wars and the two television series Star Wars: The Clone Wars and Star Wars Rebels. Its precedence over C-Level canon was confirmed by Chee.[8] C-canon was Continuity canon: consisting of materials from the Star Wars expanded universe including books, comics, and games bearing the label of Star Wars. Games and RPG sourcebooks were a special case; the stories and general background information were themselves fully C-canon, but the other elements such as character/item statistics and gameplay were, with few exceptions, N-canon. S-canon was Secondary canon: covering the same medium as C-canon, it was immediately superseded by anything in higher levels of canon in any place where two elements contradicted each other. The non-contradicting elements were still a canon part of the Star Wars universe. This included certain elements of a few N-canon stories. N-canon was Non-canon: "What-if" stories (such as stories published under the Star Wars: Infinities label), crossover appearances (such as the Star Wars character appearances in Soulcalibur IV), game statistics, and anything else directly contradicted by higher canon ends up here. N-canon was the only level that was not considered official canon by Lucasfilm. Any published material that contradicted things established in G-canon and T-canon was considered N-canon. |
Apr 13, 2016 10:27 PM
#34
| The movie feels like some sorta fan fiction with an enormous budget. Terrible writing and pacing through out. |
Apr 13, 2016 10:33 PM
#35
SaturdayKrush said: The movie feels like some sorta fan fiction with an enormous budget. Terrible writing and pacing through out. I completely agree, I especially HATE how the Millennium Falcon maneuvers completely against every rule we've seen in the previous 6 movies. That's not how things work Abrams!!! |
Apr 13, 2016 11:15 PM
#36
| I can't really say much about your theories since any book that is part of the extended universe is not canon, and shouldn't be used in theories. I have read my fair share of those novels, and they are pretty wacky. |
Apr 13, 2016 11:18 PM
#37
Dandy-san said: nah, I think she's Luke's daughter. if she was Han's daughter why would her parents treat her the way they do? no reason, especially considering they know all about Kylo Ren and apparently raised him, and thus have no reason not to raise a daughter and drop her off somewhere instead if she was Luke's kid it all makes sense, because Luke's been in hiding/exile/whatever after the Jedi school of his failed and didn't want to take his kid and risk her life being hunted during that, and left her with that alien to grow up. this also mirrors how he was treated by Obi Wan, left on a desert planet to be raised by locals for his own protection I didn't put much thought into this though, so criticize it as you want Well... Luke was raised by his aunt and uncle, not by a bunch of slave traders. <_< lol |
Apr 13, 2016 11:24 PM
#38
Dandy-san said: Lothloran said: woah, she was left to slave traders? I was under the impression he left her with the big junk dealer alien that she brings scrap to for food. unless he's the slaver? I only saw the movie once so I might've forgotten if he was a slaver or notDandy-san said: nah, I think she's Luke's daughter. if she was Han's daughter why would her parents treat her the way they do? no reason, especially considering they know all about Kylo Ren and apparently raised him, and thus have no reason not to raise a daughter and drop her off somewhere instead if she was Luke's kid it all makes sense, because Luke's been in hiding/exile/whatever after the Jedi school of his failed and didn't want to take his kid and risk her life being hunted during that, and left her with that alien to grow up. this also mirrors how he was treated by Obi Wan, left on a desert planet to be raised by locals for his own protection I didn't put much thought into this though, so criticize it as you want Well... Luke was raised by his aunt and uncle, not by a bunch of slave traders. <_< lol lolol she has to salvage electronics and stuff just to eat and the big fat alien guy never actually gives her a full day's ration. I think the most she got was 3/4's rations |
Apr 13, 2016 11:29 PM
#39
Dandy-san said: Lothloran said: oh shit, that is kind of slavery, I didn't even think of it like that, lol. I just figured they were paid in food because the scrap wasn't worth much and they stayed there cause they were too poor to afford a way off.Dandy-san said: Lothloran said: woah, she was left to slave traders? I was under the impression he left her with the big junk dealer alien that she brings scrap to for food. unless he's the slaver? I only saw the movie once so I might've forgotten if he was a slaver or notDandy-san said: nah, I think she's Luke's daughter. if she was Han's daughter why would her parents treat her the way they do? no reason, especially considering they know all about Kylo Ren and apparently raised him, and thus have no reason not to raise a daughter and drop her off somewhere instead if she was Luke's kid it all makes sense, because Luke's been in hiding/exile/whatever after the Jedi school of his failed and didn't want to take his kid and risk her life being hunted during that, and left her with that alien to grow up. this also mirrors how he was treated by Obi Wan, left on a desert planet to be raised by locals for his own protection I didn't put much thought into this though, so criticize it as you want Well... Luke was raised by his aunt and uncle, not by a bunch of slave traders. <_< lol lolol she has to salvage electronics and stuff just to eat and the big fat alien guy never actually gives her a full day's ration. I think the most she got was 3/4's rations I guess I didn't think of it that way because everyone has freedom of movement LOL yeah they're free to wander off into the desert and die :P or collect scraps and live off of that weird inflatable bread |
Apr 14, 2016 12:00 AM
#40
| too long, didn't want to read -- her name is Rey, not Rei. |
Apr 14, 2016 12:50 AM
#41
Dandy-san said: Lothloran said: lol, alright. well, Luke wouldn't leave his daughter with slavers then. do you think maybe she's not related to any of them?Dandy-san said: Lothloran said: oh shit, that is kind of slavery, I didn't even think of it like that, lol. I just figured they were paid in food because the scrap wasn't worth much and they stayed there cause they were too poor to afford a way off.Dandy-san said: Lothloran said: woah, she was left to slave traders? I was under the impression he left her with the big junk dealer alien that she brings scrap to for food. unless he's the slaver? I only saw the movie once so I might've forgotten if he was a slaver or notDandy-san said: nah, I think she's Luke's daughter. if she was Han's daughter why would her parents treat her the way they do? no reason, especially considering they know all about Kylo Ren and apparently raised him, and thus have no reason not to raise a daughter and drop her off somewhere instead if she was Luke's kid it all makes sense, because Luke's been in hiding/exile/whatever after the Jedi school of his failed and didn't want to take his kid and risk her life being hunted during that, and left her with that alien to grow up. this also mirrors how he was treated by Obi Wan, left on a desert planet to be raised by locals for his own protection I didn't put much thought into this though, so criticize it as you want Well... Luke was raised by his aunt and uncle, not by a bunch of slave traders. <_< lol lolol she has to salvage electronics and stuff just to eat and the big fat alien guy never actually gives her a full day's ration. I think the most she got was 3/4's rations I guess I didn't think of it that way because everyone has freedom of movement LOL yeah they're free to wander off into the desert and die :P or collect scraps and live off of that weird inflatable bread I'm still going to say that she is Han Solo's daughter who was left in the care of Luke, like Kylo Ren was to be trained in the ways of the force, but since Han disappeared and Leia was at the time of the slaughter, and Rey was dumped on Jukku around age 5 or 6 and Kylo started his attack about 10-15 years prior to the events of the movie given that Han and Leia had been separated all that time due to what their Son did I'm going to still go with Rey being solo's daughter that Luke took to safety, it would work with the previous "I owe you one" thing and the last part of that running joke was Han saying to Luke "Now you owe ME one" Luke saving his daughter from Ren while on his way out to his self-imposed exile makes sense to me. Besides that, Anakin's lightsaber called out to Rey, but it's too obvious if it were Luke calling out to her, if she were Luke's child why not just announce it at the end of the movie instead of leaving a cliff hanger since it was so obviously pointed to with the lightsaber scene at Maz Kantana's bar. That's going to be the twist. Also at the very beginning of the movie the weird old desert shaman guy says to Kylo-Ren something like "You also have your family" something something something If he were an only child why complicated it by saying "family" "Think about your mother" "think about your father" that's something you would say to an only child. I'm willing to accept that I'm wrong when the truth comes out in the next movie but I'll be very surprised if I am wrong. |
Apr 14, 2016 2:38 AM
#42
| Han's kid? No, his reaction to her kinda displayed "Never had a long lost daughter". Luke's kid? No, he would follow "the code" too much to reproduce. And I would dislike this, if it were the case. Reincarnation? I hope not. I dislike this second only to the one sentence above. And wasn't there a whole debacle about Disney removing all canon from the extended universe before 2012? |
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Apr 14, 2016 2:47 AM
#43
Silverstorm said: Han's kid? No, his reaction to her kinda displayed "Never had a long lost daughter". Luke's kid? No, he would follow "the code" too much to reproduce. And I would dislike this, if it were the case. Reincarnation? I hope not. I dislike this second only to the one sentence above. And wasn't there a whole debacle about Disney removing all canon from the extended universe before 2012? You're wrong about Luke #1 he does not follow the Jedi Code, Yoda and Obi-Wan trained him to rewrite it. Watch the prequels again to better understand the folly of the Jedi Code. or better yet watch this video #2 it's established that Luke has reproduced. Ben Skywalker when he and Mara Jade Skywalker were married. #3 yes there was that debacle, yet JJ Abrams borrowed from the established universe for ep. 7. I predicted Han Solo would be killed by his son before the film was released. In fact, I posted it here 4 days before the film was released in theaters lol. The mods who deleted the thread can attest to it, as well I still have the messages in my inbox The extended universe was actually sourced quite heavily in Ep. 7, sure things have been renamed, and restructured but, there is quite a lot of material in the film that didn't surprise me. |
Apr 14, 2016 3:03 AM
#44
| I really wanted to see that video ;_; #2- If the characters weren't mentioned from the films or shows from Lucas (at the time), then they can't be included in a serious discussion. Mara Jade is interesting cause she has validity til a point--she was never in media from Lucas himself. She made an appearance in outside media, even in a franchise video game as a secret character--but that doesn't make her character nor anyone from below T-canon "real". So Ben is just a character from novel based on a work, that the author likes at this point. #3- I saw that, but it still doesn't make the past expanded universe anymore true, it almost just means there is a treasure-chest of plot points, and narratives that Disney can now dig in because it didn't really happen (Because they got rid of it, and now anything they release is the canon). |
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Apr 14, 2016 3:10 AM
#45
Silverstorm said: I really wanted to see that video ;_; #2- If the characters weren't mentioned from the films or shows from Lucas (at the time), then they can't be included in a serious discussion. Mara Jade is interesting cause she has validity til a point--she was never in media from Lucas himself. She made an appearance in outside media, even in a franchise video game as a secret character--but that doesn't make her character nor anyone from below T-canon "real". So Ben is just a character from novel based on a work, that the author likes at this point. #3- I saw that, but it still doesn't make the past expanded universe anymore true, it almost just means there is a treasure-chest of plot points, and narratives that Disney can now dig in because it didn't really happen (Because they got rid of it, and now anything they release is the canon). #2 Fair enough, but C-canon is still considered as legitimate in terms of defining the universe, even if Lucas himself doesn't recognize it, the fans do, Plus nothing in C-canon can contradict G-canon or else it becomes N-canon. While it might not be officially established, it's not officially denied either. It really does come down to Disney saying "everything that happened before no longer matters" still though... #3 That's also true, but JJ Abrams is too inept to come up with anything really original, I think we can safely assume he's going to borrow a lot from the discarded C and S canon, I mean... he can't shit on the series too badly or Disney is going to lose a LOT of money... Admittedly though, the group of people who really care is so small, that no matter what he does they're going to make tons of money. Ep 3 still made major money even after fans were disappointed with Ep 2... Smh.. They can do no wrong, but still. I like to believe that fans would condemn anything that seriously messed with the story as it's known. |
Apr 14, 2016 3:21 AM
#46
Lothloran said: #2 Fair enough, but C-canon is still considered as legitimate in terms of defining the universe, even if Lucas himself doesn't recognize it, the fans do, Plus nothing in C-canon can contradict G-canon or else it becomes N-canon. While it might not be officially established, it's not officially denied either. It really does come down to Disney saying "everything that happened before no longer matters" still though... #3 That's also true, but JJ Abrams is too inept to come up with anything really original, I think we can safely assume he's going to borrow a lot from the discarded C and S canon, I mean... he can't shit on the series too badly or Disney is going to lose a LOT of money... Admittedly though, the group of people who really care is so small, that no matter what he does they're going to make tons of money. Ep 3 still made major money even after fans were disappointed with Ep 2... Smh.. They can do no wrong, but still. I like to believe that fans would condemn anything that seriously messed with the story as it's known. Agreed. Also, Disney did it on purpose; well played move on their part. I have said it as well, JJ is the best director at re-doing the same thing---swear this new movie was ep. 4 with plot lines reworked from the expanded universe to give it a gloss. Does the new expanded universe still use the canon system (G-N canon)? I stopped looking when important information was sourced from an app game. Not even a book, or console game, an app about a pilot >.> |
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Apr 14, 2016 3:26 AM
#47
| When I watched the movie, I had a feeling Captain Phasma was related to Rey somehow. Can't remember why though. |
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Apr 14, 2016 4:00 AM
#48
| Everyone knows Ray is Yoda's Bastard child. |
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Apr 14, 2016 7:09 AM
#49
Ezekiel said: ViolettSky said: I highly doubt she's Luke's daughter because that would be far too predictable and bad writing. I don't think even JJ Abrams, as a writer, is that dumb. Everyone is expecting this. She may have been trained by Luke Skywalker, but I believe that's it. I hope she's not related to anyone from the previous movies. The galaxy is huge. Why does everything need to be connected? dizzyur said: What if she ends up being Luke's kid tho This was my impression all along, I doubt she's his daughter Because Star Wars is the story of a family, not of some random poor orphan girl from Tatooine, so it's not unlikely that she's related to someone |
Apr 14, 2016 7:58 PM
#50
ViolettSky said: Rey is from Jakku, not Tatooine. And I disagree, the story doesn't have to be about another Skywalker. There have been plenty of unrelated protagonists. We're even getting a movie with an original heroine, Jyn Erso. Rey being a Skywalker would be really lazy and, like I said, predictable. It's already been done.Ezekiel said: ViolettSky said: dizzyur said: What if she ends up being Luke's kid tho This was my impression all along, I doubt she's his daughter Because Star Wars is the story of a family, not of some random poor orphan girl from Tatooine, so it's not unlikely that she's related to someone |
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