| THIS TOPIC IS INTENDED TO BE NON-BIASED, THERE WILL BE SPOILERS. Hello everyone, so to begin I will first tell you that I am using math and science to conclude Saitama's peak of potential; what he could do and so on. I will be using popularly discussed topics for comparison purposes only. All of the information here has been researched deeply and I've refused myself to post about it until I was 99.99% sure. So while there is a mere 00.01% chance it could be wrong (and a lot of people who will be biased will say this is wrong), it's the closest we'll get to knowing Saitama's peak at this moment in time, not just following the animation of the series. Part 1: Feats Superman - Superman has lifted infinity and eternity. This level of power speaks for itself, it's impossible to defeat. However, Superman has weaknesses that a lot of people should very well know of that enjoy series with action. He's weak to all things supernatural, i.e; magic and so on. He's also weak to kryptonite and red suns. Weaknesses: 3 Goku - Goku has achieved the level of "God" and gone BEYOND that in the Dragonball series, more recent than naught and you can see this in the Battle of Gods movie, including the new movie that introduces Frieza coming back, where he went above and beyond. (So did Vegeta, for the Vegeta fan(girl)s!) Goku's most noticable strengths are formed out of energy, such as his Kamehameha and Spirit Bomb. There's some weaknesses we need to take into concideration first... He's humble and tends to create a fair fight for even the most evil of opponents he faces. It's not very smart. Secondly, his strongest arsenal is the Spirit Bomb, formed out of ENERGY (I'm claiming this as a weakness for the topic at hand you will learn about why this is a weakness for the topic later on). Thirdly, he has limits to his strength unlike Superman, since while Goku is apparently above "God" he hasn't got the strength to lift infinity AND eternity. Fourth weakness is needing to depend on allies for some opponents, more noticably Vegeta later in GT for anyone who's interested in watching the series, there's an enemy where he had to become Super Saiyan 4, fused with Vegeta. Finally, Goku can't survive space, even with the power to destroy planets and being able to destroy enemies who can destroy planets AND solar systems. Weaknesses: 5! Saitama - One punch. He hasn't broken a sweat against any enemy in the OPM universe. He's the sentient being of the universe with no one being even close to him down to the cellular level. He's infinitely strong, at the same level of Superman, and you're going to have the pleasure of reading about it. If this doesn't grab your attention, maybe this will. Weaknesses: 0. Read on. Part 2: Cross-over. Some people complain about the comparison of Goku and Saitama, but don't even think about mentioning Saitama vs Superman. The Superman fans will be hunting you down a lot more than those of Goku. However, what IF there's a cross-over fight between these amazing characters? The only way to make a cross-over fair between any universe's character is to throw away their beliefs and personalities. Part 3: Comparison Saitama vs Goku Put your pitchforks away. Saitama is a man who enjoys fighting opponents that don't get defeated by him with just one punch. Goku also enjoys fighting, but he's NEVER defeated anyone considered strong with one punch. Saitama's strength is beyond Goku, not galaxies apart, but universes apart, if not infinitely (we'll discuss that soon, I promise.) Goku's primary strengths depend on the energy he gathers for most of his offense, such as the Kamehameha and Spirit Bomb. The Spirit Bomb only works on foes who are evil, but harmless to those that are good. Saitama has all ways been a good person at heart, rendering Goku's most powerful weapon useless. So what about the Kamehameha? Well, we're going to compare the Kamehameha to Boros' equally powerful attack that nearly whiped out Earth in OPM's universe. Disclaimer: Energy is all ways the same whether it's in the DBZ universe, OPM universe, Marvel OR DC universe. Everything within every universe has some form of energy, whether it's minimal or infinite. What else has energy? Dark matter. Comparing Boros' powerful assault on Saitama and Earth, Saitama was walking backwards while Boros' had trouble keeping up with him by sprinting in Episode 12 of the animation to the series. He not only walked backwards faster than a character that's nearly at the same level of Goku in his Super Saiyan 3 stage (we can guarantee this by analyzing the strengths between the both of them and how Goku can then destroy a planet. I might be remembering this detail wrong perhaps, so anyone willing to enlighten me about what stage Goku requires to have the power to destroy Earth I'd be grateful for. However! This detail, right or wrong, doesn't matter for the topic at hand, only for comparing to Boros.) and outran Genos who went all out against Saitama, when he was all ready sprinting by the time Genos started his attack on Saitama's afterimage in Episode 5 of the animation of the OPM series. Not only does Saitama outspeed Goku, but his strength is superior. As for energy, although we know nothing of Saitama being able to use other possibilities to obtain a victory in a fight, but with strength alone, he split energy in two. Splitting energy is supposed to be impossible when it's condensed. After Saitama fended off Boros' strongest attack that was powerful enough to destroy a planet, we can see Boros mentioning that Saitama had "strength to spare." As for how much strength he had to spare, we can't know from that line alone, that is... Unless we bring science into the equation. Energy is the strongest form of... Well, anything really. Energy is in everything, heck, it's the one cliche that every superhero has to "power up" or to use in their cringy-named attacks. BEHOLD!!! MY SUPER-POWERFUL UNIVERSE-SPLITTING ROAR BEAM!!! *insert literally any edgy superhero's warcry here. We're looking at you, Broly.* Down to the cellular level, any living being would be ripped apart by the atoms when struck with condensed energy of any level. Goku hasn't been able to counter an energy based attack with a punch before. We've only seen him trying to maintain energy coming at him, i.e; Pefect Cell, etc. Saitama's punch which was verbally mentioned "normal punch" has whiped out every opponent down to the cellular level of where he makes impact, JUST like energy does to almost every single character in any universe, but even to Boros. Boros regenerates quickly by focusing his energy to certain areas of his body, allowing him to survive Saitama's "normal punches." Guts fly everywhere after Saitama hits, but at other parts of the body to his target. His "consecutive normal punches" attack has been compared to the Tsar bomb. The Tsar bomb is the most destructive man-made weapon in history, that cooks everything out to a 15(?) mile radius. The choice of comparison isn't what matters, but the fact that atoms ripping apart and reacting are the detail we're looking for here. We must also recognize that the destruction left behind the consecutive punches Saitama does are condensed, otherwise there would be nothing left around him and that is the detail we want. So we've gathered that Saitama's consecutive normal punches are atomically destructive and that he's able to condense the power behind them to prevent causing distress, i.e; mass panic, destroying Earth to it's crust. There's no way that we can accurately measure whether or not the normal punches he sends out can destroy a planet, but we do know that with enough nuclear power, it's essentially possible to vaporize Earth, at least. Considering Saitama... Well, doesn't grow tired and considering his punches are not amunition (meaning he can punch as much as he wants) - we know that Saitama can destroy Earth, with enough punches. This can be used as evidence that Saitama can actually destroy any planet... With enough punches. Even so, I digress. The most important thing we should look at is his "Serious Series: Serious Punch" which nobody can accurately debunk the limits of without using the previous details for comparison. The Serious Series: Serious Punch split condensed energy, without condensed energy, with a destructive force more powerful than condensed energy? For any intellectual mind, this... This is considered impossible, scientifically speaking. However, this is the world of anime that we've come to love over the years. We can't make equasions up without using human understanding and thinking realistically, but we also can't say it simply didn't happen, because we know that's how the series portrayed it. After Saitama split the beam, we can see the effect of the punch after it hit Boros when it gave us a nice view of the Earth from space with all of the clouds over the continent split over a thousand miles apart (assuming OPM's Earth is the same size as ours in real life.) but with it tipping off of the horizon from where the punch hit. We all know the Earth is round, every planet is, that's how gravity forms it. So what we can gather from this is that the continuation of the punch went to space, from where the punch directly hit. Don't forget! Saitama created noise in space, a complete vacuum. Do you know what that means by itself? The force of him launching himself had to be loud enough for the entire universe. We don't know how big the universe is in OPM, but we know that our universe... Is pretty fucking big. So big, it's immeasurable. What do you have there? Eternity. He created the sound capable of being heard in an eternally expanding universe, split energy with a punch that is immeasurable; infinity. But what's the ONE THING that we know about that one punch that is immeasurable and split energy in two? Boros's words were "you still had strength to spare." but we know that Saitama has infinite stamina as well now, but above that, how can a being who has an immeasurable punch that's beyond energy (you can't split energy with energy perfectly because it's one in the same. Yet, you can see the perfect split from the punch in the animation from space in Episode 12) be stronger than that? It's impossible, REALISTICALLY speaking, but it's anime, after all. Saitama wins against Goku in every way, you cannot say Goku is more powerful and can "kick Saitama's ass" without sounding like a butthurt fan. I love Goku's character more than Saitama, so take my word for it fellow fans, he can't stand up to Saitama, not where he is now, yet Saitama was like this after he barely started. Now, what about the next comparison? Saitama vs Superman This is the one fight that would be difficult to debate on, except we've all ready got the details we need from what I've all ready mentioned in the comparison with Goku. Superman was created to be all-powerful, but the things that differentiate Saitama and the man of steel is that Superman has weaknesses. Superman hasn't just lifted a body made of eternity and a book with infinite pages, but he's also an impossible being who's broken the speed of light. Saitama is at the same level of Superman, which makes me... Cringe. I love Supes, I love Saitama, but the image of Saitama's face embroided into my mind... The shape of a hard boiled egg with dotted spheres for eyes... A table-top cape, pajamas(?) and kitchen gloves... is sad. Think, people. Saitama was made for comedy purposes, he was made for the very same reason Superman was, to be an impossible being to oppose. You can't win impossible vs impossible unless one impossible has some sort of weakness, which Superman has, but Saitama doesn't! The thing about Saitama winning against Superman is that Saitama has no weaknesses to be a PARODY. You shouldn't take it serious, basically. Saitama IS stronger than the man of steel. Look at ScrewAttack's depiction of Goku vs Superman part 2. They show Superman walking through Goku's Kamehameha in his God stage, without being harmed. Yet, Saitama's SPLIT energy, not just walked through it. Saitama wins against Superman. Sadly and hilariously. Saitama vs Hulk We all know that Hulk has infinite strength, like we know Saitama does now. Saitama can defeat energy, however. Saitama wins against the Hulk, as well. It's fundamentally impossible for him to lose against the Hulk, when Superman has been debated and ROYALLY accepted to be the winner in a fight with the angry green radiated professor. When Superman loses to the baldy fairly in comparison, it's impossible to lose to Hulk. Part 4: Conclusion? Saitama is the embodiment of impossibility. It's NOT fair. Honestly, in researching everything we have at hand about Saitama, it's all ready enough to know that he's the embodiment of impossibility. Even the word "impossible" holds more weight than infinity and eternity. What beats impossibility? Nothing, not when whatever that is impossible has no weaknesses. Part 5: Apology time. I know I didn't really mention anything about the Hulk, but there's no real need to. I was planning on explaining later in this topic about Superman all ready being accepted as a winner against the green beast and naturally Saitama would win as well. All though, I'm happy if any of you have read all of this, it's taken me days to get together everything to make and complete this topic. If you're someone who disagrees with anything here, then feel free to comment about it, but the research I've done to come to the conclusions at the end of the topic are all that is needed. The only thing anyone could debate against Saitama with is that he can't breath in space, but a guy who creates a loud enough bang in space to create sound (eternally loud) to launch himself instantly to a planet, even if it's neighbouring, he could just as easily launch himself to another planet in the universe that has oxygen. It's not hard to imagine when you know he's a character that's simply impossible. For those who don't want to read a book: Impossible -> Eternity -> Infinity Saitama is essentially the strongest being anyone can create, just because he's meant to be that way. It's comedy. It hurts to even say it. You can't even counter impossible with supernatural, because he's impossible. Nonetheless, remember, he's a parody, so to be honest... I'd consider it pointless to compare him to anything, he doesn't count. So for Saitama fans everywhere, they can be happy knowing he's the strongest being, now and all ways, but he's definitely not qualified for debate. He's comedy relief ONLY. Superheroes and fictional characters that are allowed for debate should only be ones with weaknesses. Superman is possible for debate through the skin of his teeth only because his slim weaknesses, which I consider still unfair to this day, but whatever... Thanks for reading. Don't debate impossibility, please. It's disgusting, but fucking awesome if done right and the author to OPM and Madhouse behind the animation did a great fucking job at it! |
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LittleGao said: This isn't a vs forum The primary topic is measuring his strength and up for discussion. Not who he'd win against, that's used for comparison to see how strong he is and to settle what some people might think who'd win in a fight, but that does NOT change what the topic is about; how strong Saitama is. If the topic was meant for a vs forum, I wouldn't be targetting what Saitama's peak is. I'd be talking about who'd win in a fight from start to end, talking about both parties' accomplishments. Trust me, I'm on several fighting forums and I've read guidelines here. It's fine. If you don't like it, oh well. The topic is up for discussion to see what people think, if Saitama is really beyond impossibility when it comes to power. Can't properly configure the topic without referencing characters from other popular series like DBZ and compare them in a vs scenario, but that wasn't the topic, no? EDIT: I could have mentioned anyone. Saitama vs an old lady, who'd win? The point is, it's a comparison and referencing the power of Goku which I used for the energy topic, because whether it's the DBZ universe or OPM, energy remains the same. Or would you rather the topic be "Saitama did this and this" and have people say things like "[insert superhero here] would own him"... No. EDIT 2: I might be new to posting in the forums here, but I'm not someone that isn't educated. LAST EDIT: A lot of the topic is referencing superheroes from other universes and who'd win in a fight, using those that a lot of community members are all ready talking about. If you read the entire topic however, you will see in the paragraphs me talking about how powers compare to the universe of OPM. This topic's primary point still hasn't changed and I refuse to edit the original topic so people know what the original post was. I'm not wrong. Use this forum to see the difference in discussions: http://www.comicvine.com/superman/4005-1807/forums/because-you-demanded-it-hulk-vs-superman-1451026/ That forum is dedicated to fighting discussions, especially Marvel and DC, 2/3 of what I used here whereas there's also Goku in some of the forum as well as a cross over. However, you'll notice how they are only talking about who'd win. My topic talks about the elemental differences of the universes each character reside in, how Saitama performed in his own and the final episode to conclude his peak of power. |
RyukaMatoiDec 22, 2015 10:01 AM
| The problem with Saitama is that due to insufficient info, every time Saitama is involved in a death battle against someone who is in general above his own "feats", then a fallacy is pretty much always being applied. One being the, as it's called, "no-limit fallacy" which means that "having no limit to strenght" is not a feat and therefore Saitama is reduced to his feats, which means anything above planet busting would win by default, because "feats". The other one doesn't have a name, but I personally call it "positive-feat-confirmation-bias fallacy" because it in the most basic form requires feats, while the "negative" aspects like who/what one lost against, etc. are deemed secondary. The problem with this is that, in essence, you don't compare Saitama with anyone... instead you compare his highest feat/strongest enemy with others, in this case Boros. Both fallacies have their own problems. The former one is based off a lot of unconfirmed assumptions and turns "lol, no limit" into a buzzphrase, while the latter one outright ignores facts, which creates falsehoods (=biased fanfiction) in the consclusion. tl;dr: So if you ask me making Saitama fight against anything above his feats will NEVER end will and will ALWAYs create biased results either for or against Saitama, unless it's done in an overly comedic manner without any real conclusion. |
Grey-ZoneDec 22, 2015 10:10 AM
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Grey-Zone said: The problem with Saitama is that due to insufficient info, every time Saitama is involved in a death battle against someone who is in general above his own "feats", then a fallacy is pretty much always being applied. One being the, as it's called, "no-limit fallacy" which means that "having no limit to strenght" is not a feat and therefore Saitama is reduced to his feats, which means anything above planet busting would win by default, because "feats". The other one doesn't have a name, but I personally call it "positive-feat-confirmation-bias fallacy" because it in the most basic form requires feats, while the "negative" aspects like who/what one lost against, etc. are deemed secondary. The problem with this is that, in essence, you don't compare Saitama with anyone... instead you compare his highest feat/strongest enemy with others, in this case Boros. Both fallacies have their own problems. The former one is based off a lot of unconfirmed assumptions and turns "lol, no limit" into a buzzphrase, while the latter one outright ignores facts, which creates falsehoods (=biased fanfiction) in the consclusion. So if you ask me making Saitama fight against anything above his feats will NEVER end will and will ALWAYs create biased results either for or against Saitama, unless it's done in an overly comedic manner without any real conclusion. Saitama is meant to be comic relief, but researching what his power truly reaches is interesting to me. Think about it, creating sound in space, jumping from the moon back to Earth would mean the lift would have to have created a bang loud enough to bounce back around space, which we know is impossible, realistically. I don't think I've seen any character from some sort of fighting series create sound in space, because authors tend to balance some realism into their stories. Even Superman didn't create sound in space. So what does that speak for Saitama? Do you think Saitama is the overused "endless power" sort of character? Without having to talk about bias, what's your take on his peak? I don't believe in the whole not being able to compare thing, you're all ways allowed to compare and with reason. ScrewAttack did it many of times and they do it very well, using evidence, like I've done here, but not for who wins in a cross over, but simply to find out how strong Saitama really is. NOTE! This does of course mean theorizing that gravity, energy, etc are all of the same balance in difference universes. One thing is for certain, similar to as you said... You can't SAY one character is more powerful than another, because balances in different verses can be different, so my research is theorizing, but that's what our leading scientists in the real world do for a lot of things. This is the closest I think I'll come to finding out how strong Saitama is unless the author comes around and speaks, but nobody has the right to make claims like that, not unless everyone comes to a mutual agreement but even that can change within decades. Lmao. Based on balance, though? I just think Saitama's power is limitless, as bias as that sounds. Just like Superman, only we know he has weaknesses. How authors come up with endlessly powerful characters and mean to take it serious bugs me. On the other hand, Saitama is comic relief, totally acceptable but isn't up for debating a victor in a cross over, where you're right, you can only do a 1on1 with a fellow OPM character. :) |
| Saitama has unlimited power and can beat every fictional character ever because parody fanwank. This is nothing new and you wasted your time. |
| There are pretty simple ways to defeat Saitama, honestly. • There are characters that can neutralize cause and effect, thereby neutralizing any strength Saitama has. • There are characters that have "luck" as an explicit ability, making them impossible to defeat under any normal circumstances. • There are other characters with comparably impossible abilities, which, even if you heavily extrapolated Saitama's feats, would trump or at least be comparable to him (god-like characters, Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, etc.). • Even more simple characters that rely on indirect attacks like poison could potentially kill Saitama, unless he's shown to have an equally impossible immune system in the webcomic. • We have no way of knowing if Saitama could resist magic-like attacks. There are many methods with which this could be utilized. (e.g. suffocation) • A death note would kill him on the spot. So on and so forth. Saitama is far from impossible. He's just difficult. |
TripleSRankDec 22, 2015 2:56 PM
TonyTheme said: Saitama has unlimited power and can beat every fictional character ever because parody fanwank. This is nothing new and you wasted your time. yeah its been done long before Saitama ever existed, its called Kami Tenchi |
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TripleSRank said: • There are characters that can neutralize cause and effect, thereby neutralizing any strength Saitama has. I'd actually say this is debatable simply due to the fact that Saitama got his ability by breaking through a "conceptual barrier" in the first place, so if he did it once, there is at the very least a possibility that he can do so again. TripleSRank said: • There are characters that have "luck" as an explicit ability, making them impossible to defeat under any normal circumstances. Maybe, maybe not. However at most that would mean that Saitama would be unable to beat that person, on the other hand the other person would still have no way to beat Saitama. TripleSRank said: • There are other characters with comparably impossible abilities, which, even if you heavily extrapolated Saitama's feats, would trump or at least be comparable to him (god-like characters, Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, etc.). That goes back to "pick your favorite fallacy". See my earlier post for that. In short: Whoever is your favorite character between Saitama and the other party will be the winner, since the conclusion will always be biased in some way, the question is only about who of the two that is in this case. TripleSRank said: • Even more simple characters that rely on indirect attacks like poison could potentially kill Saitama, unless he's shown to have an equally impossible immune system in the webcomic. For what it's worth, he survived the radiation in space he was exposed to without any problems... whether or not poison would be "completely different from that or not" would again be "debatable". TripleSRank said: • We have no way of knowing if Saitama could resist magic-like attacks. There are many methods with which this could be utilized. (e.g. suffocation) Unless there is a TAMNI-styled differentiation between magic and ESP abilities, then yes, Saitama also has an uncomparably high "MAGIC DEF" stat. TripleSRank said: • A death note would kill him on the spot. This again depends on whether or not his limit breaking somehow disconnected him from the world's "system", which would include the set live spans. Otherwise there's also the fact that the type of death has to be "physically possible" or it wouldn't work as specified, so naturally it could be interesting to see what happens if even the basic heart attack somehow couldn't happen because Saitama is super healthy and has 0% chance of getting a heart attack. On the other hand it may also actually kill him... It's just that Saitama was written in such a way that imagining him breaking a sweat or actually losing, or even dying, all see hard to imagine. He always gives this impression that he is not giving a single damn about anything. It just feel unnatural to read about "someone beating Saitama" when there wasn't even an instance of Saitama ever going serious, as even the "serious series" was still holding back. Suddenly someone existing that somehow can not only match, but also beat Saitama seems so... would "ouf of character" the the correct expression? |
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| Everyone above 23rd Budokai Saga characters would beat him, his fans really need to stop wanking the hell outta him. He's nowhere near close to Superman either. Your entire post was garbage, you wasted your time, and played yourself like a moron. Congrats. |
Grey-Zone said: TripleSRank said: • There are characters that can neutralize cause and effect, thereby neutralizing any strength Saitama has. I'd actually say this is debatable simply due to the fact that Saitama got his ability by breaking through a "conceptual barrier" in the first place, so if he did it once, there is at the very least a possibility that he can do so again. I'm not sure what you're referring to. Did he break out of the "walls" of the manga or something, Deadpool-style? Manipulating cause and effect is pretty all-encompassing. Grey-Zone said: TripleSRank said: • There are characters that have "luck" as an explicit ability, making them impossible to defeat under any normal circumstances. Maybe, maybe not. However at most that would mean that Saitama would be unable to beat that person, on the other hand the other person would still have no way to beat Saitama. This is only true is we assume Saitama is completely immortal, impregnable, and without any weaknesses whatsoever. There is little basis for this. If x can survive a one ton bolder falling on x without the slightest injury, is it appropriate to assume x can survive a point-blank 100 megaton nuclear strike? Maybe within x's verse it would be since the author's word is supreme (with very rare exceptions), but when you're dealing with more than one verse feats are the best means of comparison, meaning that outside of x's verse assuming the question is true would be illogical. Grey-Zone said: TripleSRank said: • There are other characters with comparably impossible abilities, which, even if you heavily extrapolated Saitama's feats, would trump or at least be comparable to him (god-like characters, Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, etc.). That goes back to "pick your favorite fallacy". See my earlier post for that. In short: Whoever is your favorite character between Saitama and the other party will be the winner, since the conclusion will always be biased in some way, the question is only about who of the two that is in this case. The difference is shown feats. Saitama could theoretically be as strong as any other character, but if the other character has shown immensely greater feats, then they are assumed stronger until Saitama shows comparable feats. Hence, no bias. Whoever has greater explicitly shown feats wins. I do agree that versus talk is generally pointless though. My interest in this topic was passing, but your reply seemed kinda interesting, so here I am. Grey-Zone said: TripleSRank said: • Even more simple characters that rely on indirect attacks like poison could potentially kill Saitama, unless he's shown to have an equally impossible immune system in the webcomic. For what it's worth, he survived the radiation in space he was exposed to without any problems... whether or not poison would be "completely different from that or not" would again be "debatable". Okay, so if we assume Saitama is supreme down to the cellular level (meaning toxin buildup has no effect on his body and his cells are impregnable to pathogens)... Grey-Zone said: TripleSRank said: • We have no way of knowing if Saitama could resist magic-like attacks. There are many methods with which this could be utilized. (e.g. suffocation) Unless there is a TAMNI-styled differentiation between magic and ESP abilities, then yes, Saitama also has an uncomparably high "MAGIC DEF" stat. ...What happens when you have a magical user that turns someone's body against them, such as bloodbending in the Avatar series? No matter what Saitama may be compared to other characters, we certainly cannot say that he is stronger than himself. The suffocation example is significant as well. Since Saitama demonstrated that he still needs air when he hit the moon, it would be logical to assume that any ability that would deprive him of oxygen would indeed kill him. In this sense, even someone like the #2 S-rank could kill him provided that they could propel him away from Earth quick enough. (Boros himself could have done this.) Grey-Zone said: TripleSRank said: • A death note would kill him on the spot. This again depends on whether or not his limit breaking somehow disconnected him from the world's "system", which would include the set live spans. Otherwise there's also the fact that the type of death has to be "physically possible" or it wouldn't work as specified, so naturally it could be interesting to see what happens if even the basic heart attack somehow couldn't happen because Saitama is super healthy and has 0% chance of getting a heart attack. On the other hand it may also actually kill him... My understanding is that any human whose name is written on a death note has their heart crushed. This must be physically possible for Saitama to live because his heart must be able to expand and contract to pump blood, which is to say that even if his heart couldn't be compressed beyond its normal state, it could be compressed to its normal state without expanding again, which would result in death due to lack of oxygen. Grey-Zone said: It's just that Saitama was written in such a way that imagining him breaking a sweat or actually losing, or even dying, all see hard to imagine. He always gives this impression that he is not giving a single darn about anything. It just feel unnatural to read about "someone beating Saitama" when there wasn't even an instance of Saitama ever going serious, as even the "serious series" was still holding back. Suddenly someone existing that somehow can not only match, but also beat Saitama seems so... would "ouf of character" the the correct expression? Well yeah, most versus are out of character in the first place because the parties wouldn't necessarily fight under normal (or any) circumstances. Being unable to lose is inherently tied to the verse, though, so it doesn't matter even if it would be out-of-character for Saitama within his verse. |
TripleSRankDec 22, 2015 4:46 PM
| Using screw attack XD Superman and hulk don't have unlimited power, they have unlimited potential just like goku and saitama. potential is not power. superman walking through the kamehameha is bullshit. and superman lifted infinity and eternity with help XD that means it's not infinity, comics are full of inconsistencies. saitama beats hulk before he gets angry saitama beats superman before he spends too much time in the sun saitama beats goku cause he's stronger |
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| You also have to add that Saitama can alter reality to his feats. He used that ability when his disguise got discovered by Sour Face. |
ichii_1 said: Using screw attack XD Superman and hulk don't have unlimited power, they have unlimited potential just like goku and saitama. potential is not power. superman walking through the kamehameha is bullshit. and superman lifted infinity and eternity with help XD that means it's not infinity, comics are full of inconsistencies. saitama beats hulk before he gets angry saitama beats superman before he spends too much time in the sun saitama beats goku cause he's stronger Too bad Goku is strong enough to beat every version of Superman currently, besides Silver Age and Thought Robot. Too bad Saitama can't harm Superman. Too bad Saitama can't actually harm Hulk either. So sad that your favorite MAL character is still below someone like Raditz. So sad, so sad. |
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luvaokii said: Everyone above 23rd Budokai Saga characters would beat him, his fans really need to stop wanking the hell outta him. He's nowhere near close to Superman either. Your entire post was garbage, you wasted your time, and played yourself like a moron. Congrats. luvaokii said: ichii_1 said: Using screw attack XD Superman and hulk don't have unlimited power, they have unlimited potential just like goku and saitama. potential is not power. superman walking through the kamehameha is bullshit. and superman lifted infinity and eternity with help XD that means it's not infinity, comics are full of inconsistencies. saitama beats hulk before he gets angry saitama beats superman before he spends too much time in the sun saitama beats goku cause he's stronger Too bad Goku is strong enough to beat every version of Superman currently, besides Silver Age and Thought Robot. Too bad Saitama can't harm Superman. Too bad Saitama can't actually harm Hulk either. So sad that your favorite MAL character is still below someone like Raditz. So sad, so sad. Dont you wasting your time in here???? |
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Arcanix said: I thought experiencing the TG board would've proved anything can be discussed.People actually discuss this shit... amazing. |
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luvaokii said: ichii_1 said: Using screw attack XD Superman and hulk don't have unlimited power, they have unlimited potential just like goku and saitama. potential is not power. superman walking through the kamehameha is bullshit. and superman lifted infinity and eternity with help XD that means it's not infinity, comics are full of inconsistencies. saitama beats hulk before he gets angry saitama beats superman before he spends too much time in the sun saitama beats goku cause he's stronger Too bad Goku is strong enough to beat every version of Superman currently, besides Silver Age and Thought Robot. Too bad Saitama can't harm Superman. Too bad Saitama can't actually harm Hulk either. So sad that your favorite MAL character is still below someone like Raditz. So sad, so sad. Too bad superman got hurt by an electric fence XD Too bad spiderman hurt the hulk XD Too bad a shit tier laser hurt goku XD SAITAMA ONE PUNCHES GG |
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| OP you are a retard, Goku has universal physicals and energy protection plus durability. Way above Saitama lol. Absolutely potato research you did. |
Oreo_Assassin said: For anyone arguing Superman: Superman doesn't consistently lift eternity nor does he consistently get hurt by electric fances. We can't lowball Clark but we can't only use his high end feats, everything must be taken into account. I know almost nothing about superman but... wtf is "lifting eternity"? |
| How you could even compare it. Typical weebs. When the mangaka create an entity which is powerful than Saitama then k. |
| Parody character (Saitama) > You favorite superhero (Superman, Jesus, Goku, ect) Because its logic. |
luvaokii said: Everyone above 23rd Budokai Saga characters would beat him, his fans really need to stop wanking the hell outta him. He's nowhere near close to Superman either. Your entire post was garbage, you wasted your time, and played yourself like a moron. Congrats. Cringy butthurt Supes-fan. Edge master. He's the embodiment of impossibility. Superman travels 100,000,000,000 x faster than the speed of light following source material, but even then he hasn't created sound in space. To create sound in space, a loud enough bang needs to be created to bounce from one end of the cosmos and back to the other and even then, it has to be instant. He virtually made sound break it's own potential in the infinite and broke the laws of physics. The only detail that makes no sense in the source material there is that the moon should have been shot away from the Earth in an instant, but it wasn't. That itself all ready shows that it's a parody. Again, butthurt. From this detail alone, Saitama CAN travel faster than 100 billion times the speed of light. Study physics, I did. Desu-troyed said: Parody character (Saitama) > You favorite superhero (Superman, Jesus, Goku, ect) Because its logic. Pretty fucking much, I didn't expect my topic to create a vs debate, people can't fucking accept what I said at the end. It's virtually impossible to beat impossible, even if you're infinite or eternal, because he's impossible. Nothing makes sense in a parody like OPM. TheChose0n3 said: It is pointless to compare Saitama with characters in other stories and within the manga because One Punch Man is a logic-defying parody, and the premise of it is the implication of an unbeatably overpowered protagonist. The character is a parody of what strong MC's are when they reached their peak form. Exactly. Saitama is the strongest possible fighter an author can create, just for the comedy. I like how they did it in the anime so well though. I just hope the story doesn't go with Saitama accidently destroying the universe with a punch, that'd be retarded. OPM's done pretty nicely for a sentient character though, parody or not! VirgoFudo said: OP you are a retard, Goku has universal physicals and energy protection plus durability. Way above Saitama lol. Absolutely potato research you did. Butthurt. Saitama beats everything, he's the embodiment of IMPOSSIBILITY. You can't debate with impossibility. Goku can be the strongest man in existence, but existence is something we can understand, impossibility isn't. Therefore, how the fuck can Goku compare with something he can't defeat? Because impossible > existence. Impossible is like the dream theory, it's OP. Saitama is made for comedy purposes, grow a cell in your skull and don't turn the topic into a debate. If you want to say anything, talk about what you think his potential is, rather than being so butthurt. Potato comment is potato. Oreo_Assassin said: For anyone arguing Superman: Superman doesn't consistently lift eternity nor does he consistently get hurt by electric fances. We can't lowball Clark but we can't only use his high end feats, everything must be taken into account. I only took in his high end feats because the topic was, again, not meant to be a vs debate. I only wanted commenters to talk about their opinions on Saitama's potential. Consider everything I said however, every small detail that Saitama has on SOURCE MATERIAL at this moment is impossible. Im-poss-ible. He's parody, not meant to be taken seriously, but if you take the material of him creating sound in the vacuum of space, he just bounced around sound from his launch from one end of the cosmos to the other. That defies everything at the astronomical level. That all ready tops infinite and eternity, as far as real life research has gone on our universe. An instant bounce. We all ready know Superman's highest speed when you consider his duty on Earth only allowed him to reach Earth in 10 minutes at the speed he travelled through the cosmos to get there. Oreo_Assassin said: I don't think its fair to place Saitama in a fight against someone like Superman yet. Not saying he cant win, just saying that we have yet to see any high-end feats from Saitama that we all know he can do but has yet to prove it. Small details: He created sound when launching from the moon to Earth, landing instantly and that sound he made? He bounced it from one end of the universe to the other to be heard, that's the only way he could defy the vacuum of space. That's a high end feat bundled into one to two seconds. He's all ready impossible. It's stupid when Superman took 10 minutes to travel from one point in space back to Earth at 100,000,000,000 x faster than the speed of light. Know what I mean? As for everyone who's butthurt about the comparisons I used to calculate how strong Saitama is, grow up. |
VirgoFudo said: OP you are a retard, Goku has universal physicals and energy protection plus durability. Way above Saitama lol. Absolutely potato research you did. Like that time he just recently lost to an energy gun used by one of freezas mooks? |
Monstrum said: How you could even compare it. Typical weebs. When the mangaka create an entity which is powerful than Saitama then k. Forgot about you, must have scanned over. Refer to the last comment for details. It's impossible to make a character strong enough to beat Saitama, when he's the embodiment of impossibility based on what source we all ready have. Any additional feats aren't needed to judge, as far as I'm concerned. Fans in the vs cross over community etc all ready accepted through polls that Superman is the most powerful. Superman has done the impossible again and again, but he's limited in some ways and has weaknesses. Saitama hasn't got a weakness until further notice and while you can argue he can't breath in space as a weakness, remember that creating sound in space all ready gives the evidence that he can launch himself at any speed required to reach a distance planet, galaxy or solar system where oxygen resides. Why? He's all ready bounced sound to the barrier of the universe back in an instant. I can't see any argument there. This is all based on our balance in real life and our laws of physics. EDIT: So even if a Japanese, or Western author created a character who's truly impossible, it would be an endless fight. This is why I said you cannot use a character who's truly impossible in a versus scenario, because they'll never lose. They either win, or they endlessly fight. It's retarded. End of story. I like Saitama and OPM and shit, but I'm a Goku fan to the day I die for fighters. I can't be biased. |
Killuan said: VirgoFudo said: OP you are a retard, Goku has universal physicals and energy protection plus durability. Way above Saitama lol. Absolutely potato research you did. Like that time he just recently lost to an energy gun used by one of freezas mooks? Did that actually happen? I'm a Goku guy, I didn't even know this. When did it happen? Either I've seen it and forgot or haven't seen it yet. EDIT: Just read "recently" - haven't seen the new season or movie yet. I'mma cry when I see that. |
RyukaMatoi said: Killuan said: Like that time he just recently lost to an energy gun used by one of freezas mooks? Did that actually happen? I'm a Goku guy, I didn't even know this. When did it happen? Either I've seen it and forgot or haven't seen it yet. EDIT: Just read "recently" - haven't seen the new season or movie yet. I'mma cry when I see that. Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection 'F movie. I'm sure you will see it in the dragon ball supers series soon because the series is currently following that movie. |
KilluanDec 23, 2015 5:54 PM
Entezio said: RyukaMatoi said: Did that actually happen? I'm a Goku guy, I didn't even know this. When did it happen? Either I've seen it and forgot or haven't seen it yet. EDIT: Just read "recently" - haven't seen the new season or movie yet. I'mma cry when I see that. Movies aren't cannon anymore. The series is following the same story line, but they've changed a bunch of things. They'll most likely change the laser gun thing too. That's a shame cause the movies are way better and make way more sense the DBS version. I liked those a lot but the series is kinda ruining it... The laser gun scene was the only thing that felt out of place in the movies |
Killuan said: Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection 'F movie. I'm sure you will see it in the dragon ball supers series soon because the series is currently following that movie. Just seen it. What... Entezio said: RyukaMatoi said: Did that actually happen? I'm a Goku guy, I didn't even know this. When did it happen? Either I've seen it and forgot or haven't seen it yet. EDIT: Just read "recently" - haven't seen the new season or movie yet. I'mma cry when I see that. Movies aren't cannon anymore. The series is following the same story line, but they've changed a bunch of things. They'll most likely change the laser gun thing too. As I replied to Killuan, it sucked donkey dick. I don't think Goku would ever fall to a laser gun, it makes no sense, but whatever. They'd better change the laser gun scene to never happen. ZanathKariashi said: technically he does have 2 weaknesses. House cats and Tooth Decay. ... Those aren't even worthy of being considered weaknesses, for any character. If anything, being gummy without teeth just gives you benefits. Better blowjobs, ya feel me? I mean what. Real talk though, Saitama has no weaknesses at the very moment, other than... Well... He... Can't quite squish a small mosquito very well... |
ZanathKariashi said: technically he does have 2 weaknesses. House cats and Tooth Decay. That tooth decay was before he remove his limiter. As you can see Saitama even regenerate his tooth after he remove his limiter. He also regenerated the same scar as King. |
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