Charlotte Episode 11 Discussion

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KyousukeT said:

Cyanwasserstoff said:

I think that Shunsuke was in a dilemma. On the one hand is his friend and Nao being captured by people who would not hesitate to kill them and on the other hand was his plan to change the world, the skill user and the facility. He had to make a choice. His emotions could be discribed as a inner conflict with his own ideals.

Don't you think you should learn to read? Did I not say that he faced a dilemma? Did I not say that he was torn in between his supposedly best friend and family? Not only you are late to the party, you seemingly dismiss what people have said as you like.

At this point you are only correct half-way. You mentioned the point with the dilemma, even that he was torn in his best friend and his own plan and the safety of his family. The more important part was missing that he was unsure what to do. A situation he never expected to happen, did happen there. The only logical solution in this situation for him was to trust his younger brother. He never expected the things that happen here.

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Sorry, but I have never said that a best friend could be more important then a family member. The statement I have made was that a best friend could be as important as a family member. Thats why he repeated the time one time after another to get to his ideal as close as possible. To prevent his brother and sisters from any danger this situation would cause to them, he chooses to erase their memories.

That itself is the flaw in your statements. Pooh, at best, can only be a "best friend who is as close as a family member". All Shunsuke has done (which includes time-leaping, erasing his siblings' memories, creating the syndicate, etc.) is for the sake of his siblings. He does everything with his siblings in mind. Now if his best friend suddenly got abducted, he would not think twice to send his treasured and most valuable little brother, Yuu, to go save Pooh? Even if Yuu can time-leap to undo bad ends, isn't it more logical for him to be unwilling to endanger Yuu more than anything else? He IS the most OP psychic in the series, y'know?

Having time-leaped so many times until he went blind, shouldn't he know about how his powers won't activate if he only has one eye?
Even if he didn't know until it happened to Yuu, his reaction was still too weak.

Shunsuke was in a situation he never had to handle before. He did not want to sacrifice his best friend who was as important as his own family. Thats why he had to make a choice. Yuu is the most OP psychic in the series and thats why he really trust his abilities to save their friends. He thought that Yuu would be able to handle each kind of situation , no matter what would happen there.

And the last and most important thing : Even if Shunsuke would have known that the time leap ability would not work with only one eye active, how could he forecast that these people would start a surprise attack on one of Yuu's eyes ?

He never expected that to happen. He was sure that Yuu would be the only one who could save his loved friends.

KyousukeT said:

"Oh, you can't time-leap anymore. One of the most OP power just got lost forever. The power that I relied on to redo everything up until now. I see. Oh well."

Isn't that too cheap? No regret? No feeling of remorse? If one really relied so heavily on a power to redo things until they are "perfect", he would fall into despair upon learning that he can never do that anymore. Now that's what you call logic. Not "Oh, I see."

After he had learned that Yuu saved himself with his powers but lost the ability to use time leap, his friends who was captured were more important to him then the ability to time leap.

He knew that a death would be a death in that situation, thats why he had to make clear if Pooh did survive or not.

KyousukeT said:

Cyanwasserstoff said:

That may seem to be that way on your point of view, but I disagree that my reasonings are flawed. Thats why I also substantiate my statement with arguments.

You seem to hold your own "arguments" with high regards. Don't flatter yourself.

When you can provide counterarguments to the points stated; then we talk. Don't just skip over them and babble about your own so-called "arguments".

One serious question: Do you want to lead a discussion with me or do you want to try to insult me ? In the end of the discussion it seems like you would try to insult me. Do you not know how to discuss properly or what's your problem ? In a discussion you have to be objective.

I do not hold my own arguments with high regards, but at least I use objective arguments to make my statement clear to you.

SmashTheOni said:
And as usual, the people with negative thoughts are much more vocal.

Polls and scores don't lie.

You expect them to be like that in an non popular series ? That would not make fun at all. Thats why the hype hater will also be part of the charlotte discussion.

CyanwasserstoffSep 15, 2015 1:53 AM

Sep 15, 2015 4:11 AM

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This so much bullshit.
1st, why the fuck didn't Kuma call Shun in the car?
2nd, the fuck is up with Yuu being a total pussy? He's a one-man army. The only reason he lost was because he was being a dumb bastard.
3rd, why the fuck didn't he attack THE GIRL WHO SLASHED HIS EYES instead of trying to attack the COMPLETELY HARMLESS ADULTS?
4th, WHY THE FUCK DID SHUN LET A MAN WHO HAS A FAMILY JOIN THEM?! HE KNEW!

Sep 15, 2015 4:22 AM

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Cyanwasserstoff said:
The more important part was missing that he was unsure what to do. A situation he never expected to happen, did happen there. The only logical solution in this situation for him was to trust his younger brother. He never expected the things that happen here.

I don't believe my eyes. Did you just say that he was unsure of what to do? He didn't look the least bit conflicted to pressure his younger brother, Yuu, to go save the day. On the contrary, that's the most illogical thing that he would do. To hell with logic.

And like I have previously mentioned (this is the third time now), after Shunsuke went through all that trouble for his siblings (points to time-leap, memory erasing, syndicate, keeping Yuu safe, bla bla), it just wasn't logical for him to make a 180 degrees turn to send his brother there.
And even by himself at that. What? Even if your enemy requests that you go alone, why in the world would you comply? They don't even have anyone with sensing abilities.
The fat dude and translator guy that panicked and ran after a simple earthquake? Lol. It's amusing how you guys can't seem to find how cheap a whole facility of supernatural power wielders can't lift so much as a finger against third-rate villains like that.
That's what I call cheap.

Cyanwasserstoff said:

And the last and most important thing : Even if Shunsuke would have known that the time leap ability would not work with only one eye active, how could he forecast that these people would start a surprise attack on one of Yuu's eyes ?

He never expected that to happen. He was sure that Yuu would be the only one who could save his loved friends.

This is your answer:

KyousukeT said:

Even if he didn't know until it happened to Yuu, his reaction was still too weak.

"Oh, you can't time-leap anymore. One of the most OP power just got lost forever. The power that I relied on to redo everything up until now. I see. Oh well."

Isn't that too cheap? No regret? No feeling of remorse? If one really relied so heavily on a power to redo things until they are "perfect", he would fall into despair upon learning that he can never do that anymore. Now that's what you call logic. Not "Oh, I see."

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Cyanwasserstoff said:

After he had learned that Yuu saved himself with his powers but lost the ability to use time leap, his friends who was captured were more important to him then the ability to time leap.

He knew that a death would be a death in that situation, thats why he had to make clear if Pooh did survive or not.

I beg to differ. Judging from his character, he would want Yuu to time-leap again to fix the mess. At least show the depression of losing the power on-screen first. After realising that that is no longer possible, THEN feel the remorse and run to your friend. This is why the series have horrible pacing. Him going "Oh, I see" felt too nonchalant and indifferent towards what happened to Yuu. But nope, then he went full emo over Kumagami's supposed death. Forced drama is forced.

Cyanwasserstoff said:

One serious question: Do you want to lead a discussion with me or do you want to try to insult me ? In the end of the discussion it seems like you would try to insult me. Do you not know how to discuss properly or what's your problem ? In a discussion you have to be objective.

My reaction was only appropriate, considering how you chose to turn a blind eye and to not provide responses to the part unfavourable to yourself, up until the previous reply.

Objective, you say? No matter how I look at it, you are trying hard to fill in the plot holes and justify the forced drama and cheap plot devices pulled by Maeda. Biased responses are biased. You make yourself sound like you're the only one making sense. I fail to see how others are less objective compared to you.

I have only stated what was the obvious. If you felt that this series is really that impeccable, go ahead and shower it with praise.

You must find Glasslip to be the best anime that has ever came into existence.
I honestly don't think I can lead a meaningful discussion with a person who can seemingly "justify" every single plot hole and cheap asspulls.

K, you go your way, and I'll go mine. 'nuff said.

KyousukeTSep 15, 2015 4:27 AM

Sep 15, 2015 4:24 AM

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Forgot the biggest one:
5th, you want to kidnap the most powerful esper, that can steal other powers through his eyes, AND YOU SLASH OFF ONE OF HIS EYES?!!! THEN WHAT'S THE FREAKING POINT!!!!!!

Sep 15, 2015 4:34 AM

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DmonHiro said:
This so much bullshit.
1st, why the fuck didn't Kuma call Shun in the car?
2nd, the fuck is up with Yuu being a total pussy? He's a one-man army. The only reason he lost was because he was being a dumb bastard.
3rd, why the fuck didn't he attack THE GIRL WHO SLASHED HIS EYES instead of trying to attack the COMPLETELY HARMLESS ADULTS?
4th, WHY THE FUCK DID SHUN LET A MAN WHO HAS A FAMILY JOIN THEM?! HE KNEW!
Forgot the biggest one:
5th, you want to kidnap the most powerful esper, that can steal other powers through his eyes, AND YOU SLASH OFF ONE OF HIS EYES?!!! THEN WHAT'S THE FREAKING POINT!!!!!!

1st - Plot and drama
2nd - Well you know, when someone slash you it's difficult to keep things under control.
3rd - Nice point, once again, drama i think.
4th - Shun didn't know that, driver-kun hid it from everyone so he could join them.
5th - I'm still thinking that they want some powers, not all of them, and maybe time leap wasn't one of them.

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Sep 15, 2015 4:35 AM

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What... ? ._______.

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SmashTheOni said:
And as usual, the people with negative thoughts are much more vocal.

Polls and scores don't lie.

Yeah, because polls and scores on MAL mean everything, right?
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Sep 15, 2015 4:41 AM

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2nd - Well you know, when someone slash you it's difficult to keep things under control.
4th - Shun didn't know that, driver-kun hid it from everyone so he could join them.
5th - I'm still thinking that they want some powers, not all of them, and maybe time leap wasn't one of them.

2nd: I mean back at the base when he freaks out.
4th: How did he manage to hide that from someone making an organization, and why?
5th: But as far as they know, without one eye he can't steal ANY power.

PS: Also, you're going to sacrifice your brother and tens of thousands of people because one imbecile decided to join you and put his own family at risk? Some leader Shun is.

By the way, to those saying that Nao was raped because she was in her underwear: do you really think they'd put them back ON after raping her?

Also, 6th: When the terro infiltrated the dorm, Nao was still invisible to the first one even though he was nigh-vision goggles. So why didn't she turn invisible against the big guy?

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KyousukeT said:

Cyanwasserstoff said:
The more important part was missing that he was unsure what to do. A situation he never expected to happen, did happen there. The only logical solution in this situation for him was to trust his younger brother. He never expected the things that happen here.

I don't believe my eyes. Did you just say that he was unsure of what to do? He didn't look the least bit conflicted to pressure his younger brother, Yuu, to go save the day.

During the discussion with his old members about the situation, his face impression did include that he was under high pressure and not sure what to do. The only possible way in his opinion was to send Yuu and with the ability of time lep make sure, that the plan will work that way.

KyousukeT said:

On the contrary, that's the most illogical thing that he would do. To hell with logic.

And like I have previously mentioned (this is the third time now), after Shunsuke went through all that trouble for his siblings (points to time-leap, memory erasing, syndicate, keeping Yuu safe, bla bla), it just wasn't logical for him to make a 180 degrees turn to send his brother there.
And even by himself at that. What? Even if your enemy requests that you go alone, why in the world would you comply? They don't even have anyone with sensing abilities.
The fat dude and translator guy that panicked and ran after a simple earthquake? Lol. It's amusing how you guys can't seem to find how cheap a whole facility of supernatural power wielders can't lift so much as a finger against third-rate villains like that.
That's what I call cheap.

First of all, he did not know which kind of power user these people could have. Second he did not know how many informations the driver did tell them about the organisation.
Third the only other option then to send Yuu was risking the live of the family from the driver and more important the lives of Pooh and Nao. Based on the things we have seen from their actions, I do not think they would hesitate to kill their hostages.

His character does not change 180 degree, but he was in an situation to find the best possible solution. As before the only solution would be to make use of the time leap if nothing would help before.

KyousukeT said:

Cyanwasserstoff said:

And the last and most important thing : Even if Shunsuke would have known that the time leap ability would not work with only one eye active, how could he forecast that these people would start a surprise attack on one of Yuu's eyes ?

He never expected that to happen. He was sure that Yuu would be the only one who could save his loved friends.

This is your answer:

KyousukeT said:

Even if he didn't know until it happened to Yuu, his reaction was still too weak.

"Oh, you can't time-leap anymore. One of the most OP power just got lost forever. The power that I relied on to redo everything up until now. I see. Oh well."

Isn't that too cheap? No regret? No feeling of remorse? If one really relied so heavily on a power to redo things until they are "perfect", he would fall into despair upon learning that he can never do that anymore. Now that's what you call logic. Not "Oh, I see."

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Yuu could still use the power of time leap before he went to that place . In that situation Shunsuke did know that everything would be unchangeable. That means if his friends would have died, he would lost them forever and would not be able to change it anymore.

KyousukeT said:

Cyanwasserstoff said:

After he had learned that Yuu saved himself with his powers but lost the ability to use time leap, his friends who was captured were more important to him then the ability to time leap.

He knew that a death would be a death in that situation, thats why he had to make clear if Pooh did survive or not.

I beg to differ. Judging from his character, he would want Yuu to time-leap again to fix the mess. At least show the depression of losing the power on-screen first. After realising that that is no longer possible, THEN feel the remorse and run to your friend. This is why the series have horrible pacing. Him going "Oh, I see" felt too nonchalant and indifferent towards what happened to Yuu. But nope, then he went full emo over Kumagami's supposed death. Forced drama is forced.

His reaction about Yuu losing his power of time leap was not what you would expect. In that point I agree. It was a very short and emotionless answer.

He realised that everything from now on cannot be changed anymore. After he at least knew that Yuu was save, he went towards his friend Pooh.
After realising that everything would stay that way it is only natural to be very sad and emotional about the death of a beloved friend.

KyousukeT said:

Cyanwasserstoff said:

One serious question: Do you want to lead a discussion with me or do you want to try to insult me ? In the end of the discussion it seems like you would try to insult me. Do you not know how to discuss properly or what's your problem ? In a discussion you have to be objective.

My reaction was only appropriate, considering how you chose to turn a blind eye and to not provide responses to the part unfavourable to yourself, up until the previous reply.

Indepent from which way a discussion will take you should never lose the track of being objective. If you start to get personal and try to insult the one you want to discuss with, you will loose your authenticity.

KyousukeT said:

Objective, you say? No matter how I look at it, you are trying hard to fill in the plot holes and justify the forced drama and cheap plot devices pulled by Maeda. Biased responses are biased. You make yourself sound like you're the only one making sense. I fail to see how others are less objective compared to you.

Sorry to disappoint you, but in which sentence did I say that my argumentation would be the only possible one ? Where did I made the statement that the others could not discuss objective ?

It was only about the last sentences you wrote in every statement you made. It was not objective it was personal. It had nothing to do with your statement.

KyousukeT said:

I have only stated what was the obvious. If you felt that this series is really that impeccable, go ahead and shower it with praise.

In that case it was obvious for you. The way you will interpret the story aspects also depends on your personal view. I at least try to argument on your statements why I think it would be different.

KyousukeT said:

You must find Glasslip to be the best anime that has ever came into existence.
I honestly don't think I can lead a meaningful discussion with a person who can seemingly "justify" every single plot hole and cheap asspulls.

K, you go your way, and I'll go mine. 'nuff said.

Please explain where you can make the link between Charlotte and Glasslip ? Could it be that the link is only based on personal enjoyment ? In my opinion Glasslip and Charlotte are completely different kind of anime series that have very less similarities.

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7th: Why the hell don't they have Yuu time travel back and stop Kuma from leaving? The terrorists didn't KNOW that Yuu can time travel, and they had no way of knowing that Kuma would leave when he didn't because his power is random. This was stated IN THE SAME EPISODE. The terrorists had no way of knowing that time-travel happened, since they wouldn't know that Kuma was supposed to leave. MAN, the more I think about this, the stupider this episode gets.

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7th: Why the hell don't they have Yuu time travel back and stop Kuma from leaving? The terrorists didn't KNOW that Yuu can time travel, and they had no way of knowing that Kuma would leave when he didn't because his power is random. This was stated IN THE SAME EPISODE. The terrorists had no way of knowing that time-travel happened, since they wouldn't know that Kuma was supposed to leave. MAN, the more I think about this, the stupider this episode gets.

Because they were going to have to deal with them eventually considering they were after Kuma from the start. So the smart thing to do would be to find out what they are after and ect and then time leap if needed.

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Cyanwasserstoff said:

Yuu could still use the power of time leap before he went to that place . In that situation Shunsuke did know that everything would be unchangeable. That means if his friends would have died, he would lost them forever and would not be able to change it anymore.

Learning the truth and being able to accept it are two different things.
You don't just go "Oh, I see" and act completely fine with it.

Cyanwasserstoff said:
The only possible way in his opinion was to send Yuu and with the ability of time lep make sure, that the plan will work that way.
the only other option then to send Yuu was risking the live of the family from the driver and more important the lives of Pooh and Nao. Based on the things we have seen from their actions, I do not think they would hesitate to kill their hostages.

I'll tell you a story:

Hi, my name is Kumagami. I'm also called Pooh by my best friend, Shunsuke. My power is to discover new psychics so I basically have zero combat capability.
After finding out that my driver's family (Furuki guy) got kidnapped by the some third-rate villains, I'm going to head straight to their hideout, fully aware of how I CAN'T fight. I'm just going to stand there and act #swag and take a punch to the gut. Then I'm gonna reveal all highly classified information of the organisation to the enemy and act as a hostage to be used to threaten my comrades.

Dude, seriously?

Yuu can plunder abilities, so that supposedly makes him the most powerful psychic in the series.
So if I'm Kumagami, I'm just going to go to the enemy's base, knowing that I can't fight back and then get turned into a hostage to be used against my friends.
Driver's family > Most powerful psychic + friends + loved ones + the entire world

So much logic.

And then at the end of the day, I'm just going to act like some hero and die whilst protecting Tomori. I would have atoned for all my sins in that way, right? Then what was the purpose of going there to save you again?

Of course he couldn't predict the future. But it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realise that a person who can't even fight back will get turned into a hostage and get interrogated, no? At least make an effort to jump off from the car or even attempt suicide.
Certified to be the most brainless comrade ever.

Cyanwasserstoff said:

Sorry to disappoint you, but in which sentence did I say that my argumentation would be the only possible one ? Where did I made the statement that the others could not discuss objective ?

KyousukeT said:

I have only stated what was the obvious. If you felt that this series is really that impeccable, go ahead and shower it with praise.

In that case it was obvious for you. The way you will interpret the story aspects also depends on your personal view. I at least try to argument on your statements why I think it would be different.

Is English your first language? 'cuz you can't seem to understand sarcasm.
You didn't say that anyone was any less objective than yourself, but you discredit others for not being objective. Need I say more?

You failing to understand =/= others not making any sense.

Cyanwasserstoff said:

Indepent from which way a discussion will take you should never lose the track of being objective. If you start to get personal and try to insult the one you want to discuss with, you will loose your authenticity.

I don't think I even have the need to get personal to challenge your "intellect".
You really can't seem to realise how stuck-up and arrogant you sound like, yes?
Reminds me of some self-righteous guy.

Maybe you should stop to read others' posts and stop feeling challenged by me? Oh, I forgot. You would just cover up the plot holes with your so-called objective reasonings again, yes?

Pardon me. It was my mistake to begin with to try to strike reason into a person such as yourself.

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DmonHiro said:

2nd: I mean back at the base when he freaks out.
4th: How did he manage to hide that from someone making an organization, and why?
5th: But as far as they know, without one eye he can't steal ANY power.

PS: Also, you're going to sacrifice your brother and tens of thousands of people because one imbecile decided to join you and put his own family at risk? Some leader Shun is.

By the way, to those saying that Nao was raped because she was in her underwear: do you really think they'd put them back ON after raping her?

Also, 6th: When the terro infiltrated the dorm, Nao was still invisible to the first one even though he was nigh-vision goggles. So why didn't she turn invisible against the big guy?
7th: Why the hell don't they have Yuu time travel back and stop Kuma from leaving? The terrorists didn't KNOW that Yuu can time travel, and they had no way of knowing that Kuma would leave when he didn't because his power is random. This was stated IN THE SAME EPISODE. The terrorists had no way of knowing that time-travel happened, since they wouldn't know that Kuma was supposed to leave. MAN, the more I think about this, the stupider this episode gets.

2 - Pfff, drama things maybe, Yuu started as a good MC but changes chapter by chapter just for plot needs.

4 - Another one because plot needs it, but also we must think that the people making this org are just teenagers.

5 - I'm nearly 99% that they want Ayumi's power, or maybe telekinesis. Also is said that Yuu has stolen a lot of powers before joining the academy, so it can be a still unknown power (yup, at this time still introducing sh*t).

6 - I don't know exactly the reach of her power, maybe there's a gap between being invisible to another one.

7 - right? right?! RIGHT?! I thought exactly the same and i can't understand the reason: "They'll know if we use time leap", that's impossible man, you are a time traveler and they mere filler villains.

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NOOOOOO KUMAGAMIIIIIIIIIIIII :(
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Sep 15, 2015 6:04 AM

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Hmm.. don't know how I should feel about this episode. Seems rushed and many things went on, it became rather plain. Those events were too sudden for me.

DmonHiro said:

Also, 6th: When the terro infiltrated the dorm, Nao was still invisible to the first one even though he was nigh-vision goggles. So why didn't she turn invisible against the big guy?

Her power is limited to one person at a time (and it seems night-vision doesn't make any difference, she will still be invisible). She used it on the first one, and maybe she need a few seconds to activate it to another person, and she got hit before activated her power. Maybe.

I can't see the direction on how this series will end.

Sep 15, 2015 6:11 AM

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8th: The terrorists say they've been planning this for a very long time. So long that going back in time enough would have been problematic. Well... how the hell did they know they even NEEDED to prepare for anything. They had to have known that there was a time traveler and that he would make an organization to protect espers. They had no way of knowing any of this, so what exactly were they preparing for?

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KyousukeT said:

Cyanwasserstoff said:

Yuu could still use the power of time leap before he went to that place . In that situation Shunsuke did know that everything would be unchangeable. That means if his friends would have died, he would lost them forever and would not be able to change it anymore.

Learning the truth and being able to accept it are two different things.
You don't just go "Oh, I see" and act completely fine with it.

I agree on that statement , but we have to judge the situation he was in before we can make a proper statement.

Ofcourse his reaction would seem dumb, but there was something more important in that situation. If the power of time leap cannot be used again, then everything will be definite. That means he had to check the health of Yuu and of his friends to be sure, that they are alive.

I do not doubt that there would be people who would not be able to realise the situation because they have lost the main skill to make everything alright.

KyousukeT said:

Cyanwasserstoff said:
The only possible way in his opinion was to send Yuu and with the ability of time lep make sure, that the plan will work that way.
the only other option then to send Yuu was risking the live of the family from the driver and more important the lives of Pooh and Nao. Based on the things we have seen from their actions, I do not think they would hesitate to kill their hostages.

I'll tell you a story:

Hi, my name is Kumagami. I'm also called Pooh by my best friend, Shunsuke. My power is to discover new psychics so I basically have zero combat capability.
After finding out that my driver's family (Furuki guy) got kidnapped by the some third-rate villains, I'm going to head straight to their hideout, fully aware of how I CAN'T fight. I'm just going to stand there and act #swag and take a punch to the gut. Then I'm gonna reveal all highly classified information of the organisation to the enemy and act as a hostage to be used to threaten my comrades.

Dude, seriously?

Yuu can plunder abilities, so that supposedly makes him the most powerful psychic in the series.
So if I'm Kumagami, I'm just going to go to the enemy's base, knowing that I can't fight back and then get turned into a hostage to be used against my friends.
Driver's family > Most powerful psychic + friends + loved ones + the entire world

So much logic.

KyousukeT said:

Of course he couldn't predict the future. But it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realise that a person who can't even fight back will get turned into a hostage and get interrogated, no?
At least make an effort to jump off from the car or even attempt suicide.
Certified to be the most brainless comrade ever.

Not everyone is in state of killing himself. The other question would be if the door of the car could be opened during the ride. I have to agree at least that it was dumb to not check the doors of the car.
In the case that the doors are locked while driving: If he really was not aware of the information that the doors are locked during the ride, his reaction would be not really clever.
A normal person would at least try to escape the situation. I cannot deny your argument this time.

KyousukeT said:

And then at the end of the day, I'm just going to act like some hero and die whilst protecting Tomori. I would have atoned for all my sins in that way, right? Then what was the purpose of going there to save you again?

That was based on an unpredictable situation. He could not forecast that he would have to protect Tomori. Also Shunsuke who wanted to save him could not forecast the situation either.

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Cyanwasserstoff said:

Sorry to disappoint you, but in which sentence did I say that my argumentation would be the only possible one ? Where did I made the statement that the others could not discuss objective ?

In that case it was obvious for you. The way you will interpret the story aspects also depends on your personal view. I at least try to argument on your statements why I think it would be different.

Is English your first language? 'cuz you can't seem to understand sarcasm.

Independent of a language is a native one or not, it is always hard to get sarcasmn without the "tongue in cheek" and the face of the person. To answer your question: I am not a native english speaker, but even though it is also difficult to get native sarcastic statements.

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You didn't say that anyone was any less objective than yourself, but you discredit others for not being objective. Need I say more?

You failing to understand =/= others not making any sense.

I never said that either. It was about your very cheeky and provocative statement like

KyousukeT said:

You seem to hold your own "arguments" with high regards. Don't flatter yourself.

When you can provide counterarguments to the points stated; then we talk. Don't just skip over them and babble about your own so-called "arguments".

I never wrote in anyway that my statements or arguments would be on an different level then the ones from the other people. Even though you made that provocative predication.

KyousukeT said:

Cyanwasserstoff said:

Indepent from which way a discussion will take you should never lose the track of being objective. If you start to get personal and try to insult the one you want to discuss with, you will loose your authenticity.

I don't think I even have the need to get personal to challenge your "intellect".
You really can't seem to realise how stuck-up and arrogant you sound like, yes?
Reminds me of some self-righteous guy.

I do not want to be arrogant nor did I have that purpose in any time of our discussion. The only thing I told you was that I want you to be objective even until your last words of your comment. Thats all. Nothing more and nothing less.

KyousukeT said:

Maybe you should stop to read others' posts and stop feeling challenged by me? Oh, I forgot. You would just cover up the plot holes with your so-called objective reasonings again, yes?

Pardon me. It was my mistake to begin with to try to strike reason into a person such as yourself.

You call me arrogant, but with the way you write here it seems that you try to be arrogant. At least thats how it feels like.

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9th: Why the FUCk is everyone so OK with the driver basically destroying everything they've build? It's like "Nah, man, it's not your fault that you lied to join us, then betrayed us because your family was kidnapped... LIKE WE KNEW THEY WOULD". Everyone's perfectly OK to risk the safety of every single esper, as well as potentially handing over the most powerful human being on the planet, just to save this moron's family. Everyone in this episode was retarded, including the terrorists.

10th: What the hell was THEIR plan anyway? Disable Yuu's time travel... and then what? Cause telekenisis fucked their shit instantly.

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Cyanwasserstoff said:
The other question would be if the door of the car could be opened during the ride. I have to agree at least that it was dumb to not check the doors of the car.
In the case that the doors are locked while driving: If he really was not aware of the information that the doors are locked during the ride, his reaction would be not really clever.
A normal person would at least try to escape the situation. I cannot deny your argument this time.

The whole going-to-the-enemy's-base-by-yourself-even-though-you-can't-do-shit is dumb. I don't know what took you so long to understand. Escaping during the ride isn't the point here. He wasn't even tied up or threatened with a knife or a gun.

He didn't even think of any plans. I have explained everything previously and I'm not going to do it again.

Cyanwasserstoff said:

KyousukeT said:

I don't think I even have the need to get personal to challenge your "intellect".
You really can't seem to realise how stuck-up and arrogant you sound like, yes?
Reminds me of some self-righteous guy.

I do not want to be arrogant nor did I have that purpose in any time of our discussion. The only thing I told you was that I want you to be objective even until your last words of your comment. Thats all. Nothing more and nothing less.

Sure, you sound like you just want a healthy discussion. But fact remains that your tone gives off the impression that you try to sound all superior. A very condescending tone, I must say.
Maybe that has got to do with you being a non-native speaker of English, Idk.

K, so I get what you are trying to say; but I don't feel that any of the stupidity and forced drama in this are explained. Not at all.
If you still don't see it after all that we have went through, there's nothing that I can do. I think this is far enough for now.

Even though many have pointed out the major flaws in the series, there are still many such as yourself who seem to have enjoyed the ride. I don't even feel like wanting to understand you guys now.

Have a nice day, I guess?

Sep 15, 2015 7:15 AM

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DmonHiro said:
This so much bullshit.
1st, why the fuck didn't Kuma call Shun in the car?
2nd, the fuck is up with Yuu being a total pussy? He's a one-man army. The only reason he lost was because he was being a dumb bastard.
3rd, why the fuck didn't he attack THE GIRL WHO SLASHED HIS EYES instead of trying to attack the COMPLETELY HARMLESS ADULTS?
4th, WHY THE FUCK DID SHUN LET A MAN WHO HAS A FAMILY JOIN THEM?! HE KNEW!

That girl's power is probably being able to disable a person's powers for a short amount of time.
And Yuu was scared because if he died there'd be no one to time leap, it'd be the end.

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Sep 15, 2015 7:16 AM

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DmonHiro said:
This so much bullshit.
1st, why the fuck didn't Kuma call Shun in the car?
2nd, the fuck is up with Yuu being a total pussy? He's a one-man army. The only reason he lost was because he was being a dumb bastard.
3rd, why the fuck didn't he attack THE GIRL WHO SLASHED HIS EYES instead of trying to attack the COMPLETELY HARMLESS ADULTS?
4th, WHY THE FUCK DID SHUN LET A MAN WHO HAS A FAMILY JOIN THEM?! HE KNEW!
Forgot the biggest one:
5th, you want to kidnap the most powerful esper, that can steal other powers through his eyes, AND YOU SLASH OFF ONE OF HIS EYES?!!! THEN WHAT'S THE FREAKING POINT!!!!!!
6th When the terro infiltrated the dorm, Nao was still invisible to the first one even though he was nigh-vision goggles. So why didn't she turn invisible against the big guy?
7th: Why the hell don't they have Yuu time travel back and stop Kuma from leaving? The terrorists didn't KNOW that Yuu can time travel, and they had no way of knowing that Kuma would leave when he didn't because his power is random. This was stated IN THE SAME EPISODE. The terrorists had no way of knowing that time-travel happened, since they wouldn't know that Kuma was supposed to leave. MAN, the more I think about this, the stupider this episode gets.
8th: The terrorists say they've been planning this for a very long time. So long that going back in time enough would have been problematic. Well... how the hell did they know they even NEEDED to prepare for anything. They had to have known that there was a time traveler and that he would make an organization to protect espers. They had no way of knowing any of this, so what exactly were they preparing for?
9th: Why the FUCk is everyone so OK with the driver basically destroying everything they've build? It's like "Nah, man, it's not your fault that you lied to join us, then betrayed us because your family was kidnapped... LIKE WE KNEW THEY WOULD". Everyone's perfectly OK to risk the safety of every single esper, as well as potentially handing over the most powerful human being on the planet, just to save this moron's family. Everyone in this episode was retarded, including the terrorists.

10th: What the hell was THEIR plan anyway? Disable Yuu's time travel... and then what? Cause telekenisis fucked their shit instantly.

1st: Great question . There is no special reason.
2nd: He was afraid of that his situation did change that much in very less time. I mean he started to be a lowly cheater and in that situation all the trust of the people from the organisation will be on his shoulders. He was not sure if he could handle the situation and save his friends.
3rd: He was in panic. People do not react the most logical way if they are in a panic situation.
4th: That was a very big mistake. He should have known that something like that could have happened.
5th: It seems that the driver did tell them about his ability to time leap. They want to make sure he would not be able to use that ability. Otherwise they would lose their advantage.
6th We do not know how much time she need to change the aim of her ability. It could be that she needs some minutes for change the aim.
7th: They also want to prevent that the family of the drive will be kidnapped. Therefor they had to go back in a time where it would not be sure that they could create the organisation again. Thats why they choose this way to handle it.
8th The driver could be a random victim, but he did tell them everything under the pressure that his family would be killed if he would not tell them what they want to know.
9th: In that time Pooh was already in the hands of the terrorists. That means there was not only the family of the driver to be saved but also Pooh and Tomori. They wanted to save everyone in this situation even though it would be dangerous and they would set everything on one card.
10th They did not know about his telekenesis ability so it seems.

Sep 15, 2015 7:23 AM

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So i was thinking, after the driver left, couldn't Yuu fly out of there, check the address from the key of the house where the driver's family was locked in, travel back to the past, make Pooh stay and warn Nao, then go save the driver's family?

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Sep 15, 2015 7:24 AM

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Cyanwasserstoff said:

In that time Pooh was already in the hands of the terrorists. That means there was not only the family of the driver to be saved but also Pooh and Tomori. They wanted to save everyone in this situation even though it would be dangerous and they would set everything on one card.

Easy.
Time-leap back to the moment where Furuki drove Kumagami to the enemy's base. Tell Yuu to follow them. Just right before the big macho guy punched Kumagami, use telekinesis/collapse and kill all of them off? Or restrain all of them if you are too soft and don't wanna kill anyone.

Interrogate them or use their truth serum. If they refuse to tell- there's still another way.
Remember there was a guy who can search through your memories? Tell him to find out where the driver's family is. There. Happy ending.

What's so hard?

And the villains only found out about Tomori AFTER the villains made Kumagami reveal all the organisation's secrets, including Tomori's house address. If you prevent that, Kumagami and Tomori wouldn't have been kidnapped in the first place.

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KyousukeT said:

Cyanwasserstoff said:
The other question would be if the door of the car could be opened during the ride. I have to agree at least that it was dumb to not check the doors of the car.
In the case that the doors are locked while driving: If he really was not aware of the information that the doors are locked during the ride, his reaction would be not really clever.
A normal person would at least try to escape the situation. I cannot deny your argument this time.

The whole going-to-the-enemy's-base-by-yourself-even-though-you-can't-do-shit is dumb. I don't know what took you so long to understand. Escaping during the ride isn't the point here. He wasn't even tied up or threatened with a knife or a gun.

He didn't even think of any plans. I have explained everything previously and I'm not going to do it again.

The main problem was, that he thought they would drive to the school. After he realised the situation he stayed calm even though they were about to drive to the place the enemy would wait for them.
In that situation you would at least expect that Pooh would try to escape the car or that he would force the driver to let him free.

KyousukeT said:

Cyanwasserstoff said:

Indepent from which way a discussion will take you should never lose the track of being objective. If you start to get personal and try to insult the one you want to discuss with, you will loose your authenticity.

I don't think I even have the need to get personal to challenge your "intellect".
You really can't seem to realise how stuck-up and arrogant you sound like, yes?
Reminds me of some self-righteous guy.

Cyanwasserstoff said:

I do not want to be arrogant nor did I have that purpose in any time of our discussion. The only thing I told you was that I want you to be objective even until your last words of your comment. Thats all. Nothing more and nothing less.

Sure, you sound like you just want a healthy discussion. But fact remains that your tone gives off the impression that you try to sound all superior. A very condescending tone, I must say.
Maybe that has got to do with you being a non-native speaker of English, Idk.

Thats crazy because the same critique I get sometimes in discussion in my native language.
I thought that it would be different by using english instead of my native one. In both cases I do not do it on purpose, but it seems like some people get that impression. I am not able to explain why.

KyousukeT said:

K, so I get what you are trying to say; but I don't feel that any of the stupidity and forced drama in this are explained. Not at all.
If you still don't see it after all that we have went through, there's nothing that I can do. I think this is far enough for now.

At least in some point we have found a agreement. I agree that the reaction from Pooh was unexpected and not very clever in his situation.

KyousukeT said:

Even though many have pointed out the major flaws in the series, there are still many such as yourself who seem to have enjoyed the ride. I don't even feel like wanting to understand you guys now.

Have a nice day, I guess?

The main problem is that the point of view depends also on the person themself. That means that different people will get different interpretations and also different opinions on possible flaws.

Yeah, I wish you a great day, too.

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KyousukeT said:

Cyanwasserstoff said:

In that time Pooh was already in the hands of the terrorists. That means there was not only the family of the driver to be saved but also Pooh and Tomori. They wanted to save everyone in this situation even though it would be dangerous and they would set everything on one card.

Easy.
Time-leap back to the moment where Furuki drove Kumagami to the enemy's base. Tell Yuu to follow them. Just right before the big macho guy punched Kumagami, use telekinesis/collapse and kill all of them off? Or restrain all of them if you are too soft and don't wanna kill anyone.

Interrogate them or use their truth serum. If they refuse to tell- there's still another way.
Remember there was a guy who can search through your memories? Tell him to find out where the driver's family is. There. Happy ending.

What's so hard?

And the villains only found out about Tomori AFTER the villains made Kumagami reveal all the organisation's secrets, including Tomori's house address. If you prevent that, Kumagami and Tomori wouldn't have been kidnapped in the first place.

Or just let them all die,including the family of the driver.Find out where they were hidden,find out more about the terrorists make a plan and time leap 1 day before it happened?

There are so many possibilities yet the chars took the most plot convenient one.

The terrorists way of thinking didnt make sense too.

Sep 15, 2015 7:36 AM

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KyousukeT said:

Cyanwasserstoff said:

In that time Pooh was already in the hands of the terrorists. That means there was not only the family of the driver to be saved but also Pooh and Tomori. They wanted to save everyone in this situation even though it would be dangerous and they would set everything on one card.

Easy.
Time-leap back to the moment where Furuki drove Kumagami to the enemy's base. Tell Yuu to follow them. Just right before the big macho guy punched Kumagami, use telekinesis/collapse and kill all of them off? Or restrain all of them if you are too soft and don't wanna kill anyone.

Interrogate them or use their truth serum. If they refuse to tell- there's still another way.
Remember there was a guy who can search through your memories? Tell him to find out where the driver's family is. There. Happy ending.

What's so hard?

And the villains only found out about Tomori AFTER the villains made Kumagami reveal all the organisation's secrets, including Tomori's house address. If you prevent that, Kumagami and Tomori wouldn't have been kidnapped in the first place.

That would be the ideal solution. I agree that this way would be better, but they did not know which power user would be on their side. The main problem was that there could be someone who could use a power to observe some area.

And if they would find out that they do not extradite Yuu, they could kill the family of the driver.

I agree that they could handle this situation in that way much better, but the time to think about a great plan was not very much and they had to make a decision.

Sep 15, 2015 7:40 AM

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darboux said:

KyousukeT said:

Easy.
Time-leap back to the moment where Furuki drove Kumagami to the enemy's base. Tell Yuu to follow them. Just right before the big macho guy punched Kumagami, use telekinesis/collapse and kill all of them off? Or restrain all of them if you are too soft and don't wanna kill anyone.

Interrogate them or use their truth serum. If they refuse to tell- there's still another way.
Remember there was a guy who can search through your memories? Tell him to find out where the driver's family is. There. Happy ending.

What's so hard?

And the villains only found out about Tomori AFTER the villains made Kumagami reveal all the organisation's secrets, including Tomori's house address. If you prevent that, Kumagami and Tomori wouldn't have been kidnapped in the first place.

Or just let them all die,including the family of the driver.Find out where they were hidden,find out more about the terrorists make a plan and time leap 1 day before it happened?

There are so many possibilities yet the chars took the most plot convenient one.

The terrorists way of thinking didnt make sense too.

Yeah, but let's say that they wanted everyone to live. For plot's sake, they wouldn't want to sacrifice anyone (and yet they want to save the world. Ikr? Bunch of naive hero wannabes).

By time-leaping back and following them, Yuu could have used telekinesis or bla bla to restrain all of them, save Kumagami (subsequently prevented Tomori's kidnapping), and then use the memory-searching power to find out where the driver's family was kept.

This is the best ending that I can think of. Anyone care to tell why didn't they do this?

Sep 15, 2015 7:43 AM

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KyousukeT said:

darboux said:

Or just let them all die,including the family of the driver.Find out where they were hidden,find out more about the terrorists make a plan and time leap 1 day before it happened?

There are so many possibilities yet the chars took the most plot convenient one.

The terrorists way of thinking didnt make sense too.

Yeah, but let's say that they wanted everyone to live. For plot's sake, they wouldn't want to sacrifice anyone (and yet they want to save the world. Ikr? Bunch of naive hero wannabes).

By time-leaping back and following them, Yuu could have used telekinesis or bla bla to restrain all of them, save Kumagami (subsequently prevented Tomori's kidnapping), and then use the memory-searching power to find out where the driver's family was kept.

KyousukeT said:

This is the best ending that I can think of. Anyone care to tell why didn't they do this?

The time was to short to came up with a great plan like that. The leader Shunsuke was not that clever to think of that kind of plan.

Sep 15, 2015 7:45 AM

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Cyanwasserstoff said:

That would be the ideal solution. I agree that this way would be better, but they did not know which power user would be on their side. The main problem was that there could be someone who could use a power to observe some area.

Well, there wasn't. The villains consisted of the foreigner, the translator guy, the macho guy, and the light-emitting girl. All four of them were there. Had Yuu went back in time and defeated them, they would have solved the problem and saved everyone.

If there was another power user or unexpected development, Yuu can always time-leap again.
=___=
Though, that wasn't shown so yeah.

I still say it's convenient plot device.

Cyanwasserstoff said:

KyousukeT said:

This is the best ending that I can think of. Anyone care to tell why didn't they do this?

The time was to short to came up with a great plan like that. The leader Shunsuke was not that clever to think of that kind of plan.

Okay. Shunsuke's stupidity confirmed.

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KyousukeT said:

Cyanwasserstoff said:

That would be the ideal solution. I agree that this way would be better, but they did not know which power user would be on their side. The main problem was that there could be someone who could use a power to observe some area.

Well, there wasn't. The villains consisted of the foreigner, the translator guy, the macho guy, and the light-emitting girl. All four of them were there. Had Yuu went back in time and defeated them, they would have solved the problem and saved everyone.

If there was another power user or unexpected development, Yuu can always time-leap again.
=___=
Though, that wasn't shown so yeah.

I still say it's convenient plot device.

Cyanwasserstoff said:

The time was to short to came up with a great plan like that. The leader Shunsuke was not that clever to think of that kind of plan.

Okay. Shunsuke's stupidity confirmed.

I thought that way too, but it seems I was incorrect. I have rewatched some important parts of the last episode. It seems like the driver was stupid enough to tell them about the time leap ability. If they would discover something funny they will kill the family of the driver.

This means that they have to be sure, that no one of the terrorists will be able to discover the time leap.
That makes the situation much more complicated, because at that point they do not know how many enemies and what kind of power they can use.

Sep 15, 2015 9:48 AM

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Cyanwasserstoff said:

KyousukeT said:

Well, there wasn't. The villains consisted of the foreigner, the translator guy, the macho guy, and the light-emitting girl. All four of them were there. Had Yuu went back in time and defeated them, they would have solved the problem and saved everyone.

If there was another power user or unexpected development, Yuu can always time-leap again.
=___=
Though, that wasn't shown so yeah.

I still say it's convenient plot device.

Okay. Shunsuke's stupidity confirmed.

I thought that way too, but it seems I was incorrect. I have rewatched some important parts of the last episode. It seems like the driver was stupid enough to tell them about the time leap ability. If they would discover something funny they will kill the family of the driver.

This means that they have to be sure, that no one of the terrorists will be able to discover the time leap.
That makes the situation much more complicated, because at that point they do not know how many enemies and what kind of power they can use.

Still there is no obvious way to tell if someone time leaped.

Time leap 1 day before how could they tell?
What could be considered something funny?
Also if they killed the family over something that seemed funny but they were mistaken =loosing the leverage they had over the driver=driver says everything to shun= terrorists plans gone forever.

No matter how you look at it, everything seems to me everything is just obvious plot convenience.

At least hope the writter will close some holes in the last episodes,and make the ending better^^.

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darboux said:

Still there is no obvious way to tell if someone time leaped.

Time leap 1 day before how could they tell?
What could be considered something funny?
Also if they killed the family over something that seemed funny but they were mistaken =loosing the leverage they had over the driver=driver says everything to shun= terrorists plans gone forever.

No matter how you look at it, everything seems to me everything is just obvious plot convenience.

At least hope the writter will close some holes in the last episodes,and make the ending better^^.

If Pooh would not drive to the checkpoint, they would probably see this as anomaly.
If there plan would not proceed smoothly they would probably think about an anomaly.

They would lose their advantage by killing his family, but they would use it to take the control of the situation.

They made an plan and if something does not go as planed they will kill his family.

The situation is difficult to handle in that short time Shunsuke has to make a decision.

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Cyanwasserstoff said:

darboux said:

Still there is no obvious way to tell if someone time leaped.

Time leap 1 day before how could they tell?
What could be considered something funny?
Also if they killed the family over something that seemed funny but they were mistaken =loosing the leverage they had over the driver=driver says everything to shun= terrorists plans gone forever.

No matter how you look at it, everything seems to me everything is just obvious plot convenience.

At least hope the writter will close some holes in the last episodes,and make the ending better^^.

If Pooh would not drive to the checkpoint, they would probably see this as anomaly.
If there plan would not proceed smoothly they would probably think about an anomaly.

They would lose their advantage by killing his family, but they would use it to take the control of the situation.

They made an plan and if something does not go as planed they will kill his family.

The situation is difficult to handle in that short time Shunsuke has to make a decision.

Well mate if you want to think of it like that it helps enjoy the anime.
With time leap as an ability you have many options.
Like i said above,try time leap and if the family dies just make an invistegation check where his family was held time leap and prepare a better plan?

Shun risked his whole organization and acted rushly.We talking about a guy that time leaped time after time to make his plan work,he saw his people die/tortured...i do not think he the kind of guy that would risk everything without considering other options.

Also yes time leaping 1 day and preparing a better plan,could still work.
Example catch the ones that are responsible for the attack and trade them for the family?
Everything they learned was from kumagami.Change his memories so they would not know Yuu's abilities.Think they knew about shun but they learned from kumagami about Yuu.
And even if everything had failed,they could still let that guy's family die investigate(Shun got the power to do so,or capture 1 terrorist to let them know where his family was held) time leap and rescue the family.I do not see the problem....
The family would be killed anyway once they captured Yuu.What was the reason to trust terrorists anyway.

Besides if you think about it,even with the plan they came up the family would still die.Why?Yuu was there to trade for Nao/Kuma but not to be captured.So the family would still die if Yuu defended himself,or if he escaped later on.

Basically if you think about it,even nao/kuma wouldnt be safe.The terrorists once they got Yuu they might have killed or kept them as experiments.And the family of the driver would still not be saved.So i dont get what was the point of yuu going alone.Saving nao/kuma=driver family dead.Getting captured =Nao/kuma/Yuu captured/maybe even getting killed,and the terrorists would not need the driver's family so family=dead.

I do not see why they went on with it.

I dunno man if you sit down about it and think you can have many probabilities.

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OR the easiest way to solve the problem is that when the driver got the key and address yuu could check the key for the address, time leap back and save the family. Notice how much time he had to do that? This episode is very contrived and poorly written overall.

Sep 15, 2015 10:39 AM

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Exi0n said:
OR the easiest way to solve the problem is that when the driver got the key and address yuu could check the key for the address, time leap back and save the family. Notice how much time he had to do that? This episode is very contrived and poorly written overall.

+1

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darboux said:

With time leap as an ability you have many options.
Like i said above,try time leap and if the family dies just make an invistegation check where his family was held time leap and prepare a better plan?

They do not know where to search for his family at that point. And if something of the plan from the terrorists does not go like they planed, they will kill the family of the driver.

darboux said:

Shun risked his whole organization and acted rushly.We talking about a guy that time leaped time after time to make his plan work,he saw his people die/tortured...i do not think he the kind of guy that would risk everything without considering other options.

They discussed about their options in the group and the only possible option for them was sending Yuu. If he would fail he could still use his time leap skill. That was the thought behind the idea.

darboux said:

Also yes time leaping 1 day and preparing a better plan,could still work.
Example catch the ones that are responsible for the attack and trade them for the family?
Everything they learned was from kumagami.Change his memories so they would not know Yuu's abilities.Think they knew about shun but they learned from kumagami about Yuu.

I do not know about that one, because it was told they had prepared their plan for a long time to prevent change with the ability of time leap. That means they already got the information from the driver maybe ?

darboux said:

And even if everything had failed,they could still let that guy's family die investigate(Shun got the power to do so,or capture 1 terrorist to let them know where his family was held) time leap and rescue the family.I do not see the problem....
The family would be killed anyway once they captured Yuu.What was the reason to trust terrorists anyway.

It could be possible that the parents will also be taken as hostage by other members of the terrorists. That would mean they have to neutralize them before saving the family.

At least the terrorists gave him the key to save his parents. We do not know if there are already other members of that group who will kill the driver anyway.

darboux said:

Besides if you think about it,even with the plan they came up the family would still die.Why?Yuu was there to trade for Nao/Kuma but not to be captured.So the family would still die if Yuu defended himself,or if he escaped later on.

If we make the presumption that these guys are the only members of the terrorist group, Yuu could have neutralize them and rescue Nao and Pooh.

darboux said:

Basically if you think about it,even nao/kuma wouldnt be safe.The terrorists once they got Yuu they might have killed or kept them as experiments.And the family of the driver would still not be saved.So i dont get what was the point of yuu going alone.Saving nao/kuma=driver family dead.Getting captured =Nao/kuma/Yuu captured/maybe even getting killed,and the terrorists would not need the driver's family so family=dead.

I do not see why they went on with it.

It was not about trading him with them. He should rescue them and neutralize the terrorist group. If something would go wrong he should use his ability to time leap.

darboux said:

I dunno man if you sit down about it and think you can have many probabilities.

I think the main problem here is that Shunsuke was dependent on the ability of time leap to much. He thought that everything will go the right way and if not just time leap would do the trick again.

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Sep 15, 2015 11:54 AM

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Damn!
what a mess :?

Sep 15, 2015 12:17 PM

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@Cyanwasserstoff

''They do not know where to search for his family at that point. And if something of the plan from the terrorists does not go like they planed, they will kill the family of the driver.''

Yes thats why i said let the family die,and they can investigate after.Shun has the money/power to do it.

''They discussed about their options in the group and the only possible option for them was sending Yuu. If he would fail he could still use his time leap skill. That was the thought behind the idea.''

You counter it yourself.''And if something of the plan from the terrorists does not go like they planed, they will kill the family of the driver.''

Terrorist goal=capture Yuu.Plan fail=family dead.Their plan was never to have Yuu captured.

''I do not know about that one, because it was told they had prepared their plan for a long time to prevent change with the ability of time leap. That means they already got the information from the driver maybe ?''

They had information about shun's time leap not about Yuu's ability i think.
Yuu met with Shun and told him he got time leap when he saved ayumi=a couple of days ago.Yet terrorists said they planned about time leap long time ago.

''It could be possible that the parents will also be taken as hostage by other members of the terrorists. That would mean they have to neutralize them before saving the family.

At least the terrorists gave him the key to save his parents. We do not know if there are already other members of that group who will kill the driver anyway.''

I do not understand what you mean.His family is kept someplace obviously guarded by other members of the terrorists.IF yuu saves them then they can secure them and then go on neutralizing them.

''It was not about trading him with them. He should rescue them and neutralize the terrorist group. If something would go wrong he should use his ability to time leap.''

What i said above mate,their plan =capture Yuu,Yuu fighting them neutralizing them =other members that guard the family kill them.
If Yuu gets captured then Nao/kuma could still be held as experiments/or be killed.Also the family of the driver would not be needed so family =dead.

And if he use his time leap the terrorists would know as you claimed many times,and still it would not change the fact that Yuu needs to be captured to save the dude's family?

''I think the main problem here is that Shunsuke was dependent on the ability of time leap to much. He thought that everything will go the right way and if not just time leap would do the trick again.''

The problem is that he didnt think about it much.Which should have been expected by someone with his experience.

Anyway i stop here,what happened happened hope for at least good last episodes)).

Sep 15, 2015 12:49 PM

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Torture. Some more torture.

Likewise, plotholes. Some more plotholes.

I want to shut off my brain while watching it, but the atmosphere it has been building so far, doesn't let me. It's not that the episode was bad. It's just that the bad things about it were laughter-inducing.

Why did Tomori not turn invisible when that macho guy came in her apartment? I mean, at least put up a fight!

The terrorists were stupid. They hired only one special ability user to take on a guy who has plenty more. More importantly, they did it in a building KNOWING that the said person has the collapse ability. Why not do such a thing in a more open area/ property? At least the risk of dying would have been far less. So yeah, stupid people doing not so stupid things in stupid ways. Meh.

I do like how Yu isn't your typical MC. He has his insecurities, and he frankly considers himself a bad guy. When confronted, he becomes anxious to the point of using the collapse ability, but on cooling down, thinks of Nao and quickly resolves to save her... But wasn't that just him reassuring himself? That's how I saw it (I don't mean it in a bad way, of-course)

Kumagawa torture was ruthless. I felt sorry for him. But at the same time, I feel like he could call the rest of the group when he was in the car. He could at least send some kind of code, but no.

I still wish Yu used his abilities better. I mean he has plenty of them and he had plenty of chances to do so. Why bother possessing when you are going to see if they are armed or not? I would freaking dropped down one of them (preferably the english speaking man) Of-course, I would feel his pain but one down is better than what we had. Besides, it would have given him a higher ground. I guess, it can be said that it all passed on way to quickly, also considering he has no combat training and was afraid. Oh well.

Hmm now that I write it down, it seems like there's more good than bad. Well, I hope the next two episodes are good. There's still hope.

Sep 15, 2015 12:54 PM

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I can't help but feel disappointed, so many plotholes, so many cliché events. Especially in the final few minutes, the rest of the episode was pretty good.

Why didn't Yuu make the adults jump of the bridge when he controlled them? Baka mitaiiiiiiii

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Sep 15, 2015 1:36 PM

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