Gate: Jieitai Kanochi nite, Kaku Tatakaeri Episode 9 Discussion

karneheni said:
*after comments reading*
cliffhanger? seriously?
omg, does someone really think about possible sex scene in this anime?
looool

eXtacy67 said:

This is Gate Lite Version, in the manga there is real rape, gore and torture ;)

greed2 said:

Well, we can imagine America wants a lot of oil.

Pat_To_Do-List said:

You are not the only one. I am not really liking [Rory] as much as some people. I would like her if her character were much more fleshed out.

opondica said:
I also don't particularly care for her. As far as I can tell she only exists to provide fanservice and cringe-inducing jingoistic speeches.

Lelei is much better, she seems to be a naturally curious person and this makes me sympathize with her. I actually wish she were the main character of the story - the meeting of two different societies is the most interesting aspect of the show.

Pat_To_Do-List said:

So far, that's exactly the case. But maybe later on we will be proven wrong & she might have a proper characterization. Or maybe I am being too optimistic.

I think Lelei, Pina, & Tuka are the better characters out of all of them. Pina with her complicated relationship with her own father/kingdom & Tuka's psychological problem are certainly their high points & could be explored further.

Sulfurian said:


To be fair Rory's character is rather simple, and has been pretty much doing the same thing she's always done for 900+ years. Killing, and seducing men. Though I never understood the whole "souls pass through her body" thing. What, is there a portal to hell in between her legs or something?

Lelei is enjoyable to watch, as she learns more of the modern world. Elf just hasn't had much screen time or real assistance in the plot other than showing off her sleep magic one time...

I do hope Rory's rampage next episode is as satisfying as I hope it'll be

Harag said:


Not even the best girl in this show.

linchpin said:
I don't know... is it just me or is the writing in this anime a bit bad? First episodes were decent, but now I get this feeling after every episode that this could have been so much more. The plot seems a bit chaotic. There's too many characters popping from out of nowhere and disappearing.

I like most, on the second thought, some of the characters a lot, especially those from the fantasy world. Leilei is tied with Papi as my waifu of the season. Rory is sexy, elf-chan is really pretty, even the ex-wife with her glasses on is pretty...

... but it's really about the plot. Something is missing. Some potential is wasted, on cliches, jokes repeated too many times...

Will still watch for Leilei though ;)

Da_Harem_King said:
imo, this series is far better than most of the series that are airing right now. Seriously! It's on my top most watched in 2015! I like the concept of the story. It's similar to outbreak company (which i liked despite the lack of seriousness) the progression of the story is decent but you might be right. This series could've been better with a more serious tone to it, but this one focuses more on comedy. This anime is awesome in it's own way and i prefer it like that. Besides, charlotte and god eater is what caught my interest when it comes to dark themed anime.

mangamuscle said:

Using blackmail to get access to the gate would only mean the Japanese government would have resigned faster, remember japan has a parlamentary system (like many european nations) and the routinely change prime ministers due to internal scandals or crisis (like it just happened in Greece).

mangamuscle said:

Probably they were courteously denied access, just because one asks nicely does not mean nations will do as you say, even if you are allies (case in point, japan has asked for decades to the US to return some islands to japan, but no dice).

mangamuscle said:

Because the US goverment would never put their men and women in harms way without providing them the best equipment available (hope your sarcasm detector isn't broken, I still remember reading about some dad getting some money so that his son humvee in iraq would have better protection against road bombs and heck he was part of the usa army routine opeations). Also remember this operation was assembled in a jiffy since Piña and co. visiting japan was decided one day before the trip. Logistics and bureaucracy can be your worst enemies. Using blackmail has obviously a desperate move.

mangamuscle said:

Maybe If john rambo was supposedly a demigod the comparision would work. No, I haven't read the manga or light novel, but I can only think of one course of action for next episode.

nogitsunechaos said:


Rokka
World trigger
Charlotte
The Heroic Legend of Arslan

Hands down better than this stupid mess....I had high hopes for the princess and she turned out to be an idiot.

Those 4 anime can tell a good story and doesn't rely solely on pathetic fan service to appease a bunch of dudes who find an anime chick hot lmao.

orangpelupa said:


people have different taste. you belittling other people taste is not contributing yo the discussion.

for me the anime you mentioned is worse than GATE. I really don't get rokka and really annoyed by the over sexy clothes that looks so unreal and not practical for battle., world trigger... I have no comment for it. but arslan senki have really bad animation and the talking scenes is not well presented.

Charlotte is a mixed bag. some ep are nice while other are bad. the animation is generally good but the pacing and presentation is not good. but these last few episode it really get better and better.

to be fair, gate is also not perfect but overall its more enjoyable for my taste. the clothing is not simply ridiculous, it have their own reason sand function. the presentation is superb for action and talking scenes. although the animation sometime got too lazy butbitbnever deviate too much from the generally well animated scenes.

Cirris said:
I never said anything about access to the Gate. I said Access to the "otherworld"ers. I never mentioned anything about a Gate access.

Yet, when evil sinister US president (who would NEVER F`ing make a straight call like that for plausible deniability reasons) did blackmail the Japanese, they literally abandoned the Itami's group which would give access to the otherworlders with some vague idea that they could put their hope in Supercop Jackie Rambo would save the day?!

Again, armor plating for regular army grunts does not equal the greatest possible find in the world as far as tactical resources goes. WTF! The PRESIDENT BLACKMAILED THEIR BEST ASIAN ALLY! A country where they have 20+ military installations. Does it not make sense to you the whole concept is stupid by now? That even if they were going to blow it UP for access to other world guests, or a gate, that they'd not go in fully prepared?

mangamuscle said:


In the other side of the gate there is a bunch of "otherworld"ers, why have access to a small few if you can pick and choose? In other words, your choice of words was not specific enough, that is the reason I used "Piña an co." instead.



Not sure what your point is, when the japanese goverment abandoned Itami and co. their best case scenario was that Itami would manage to escape while the rest of the group would be captured and taken overseas by one or several nations. Worst case scenario would be would end up dead (either by enemy fire or taking their own lives).





Again you ignore the fact that this operation was assembled in a day. Also you are under the naive impression that the US would not do a half assed operation ever, heck, from day one the second iraq war was a half assed operation with no hope of long term success since no attempt whatsoever was made to win "the hearts and minds" of the locals. Your national infrastructure is deteriorated (Katrina was just the wake up call and nothing has changed a decade later). Oh, and before you repeat that no US president would be as stupid to send guns firing into ally teritory and blackmail by phone said prime minister, that is exactly the kind of behavior the world expects from Donald Trump. Oh, you are thinking "no, he will never be elected, he is all talk" then ask your father or grandfather, the exact same things were said about Ronald Reagan's campaign and surprise surprise, he was elected and re-elected and his vp even got one period in the white house. Stupid does not mean that it can't happen in real life.

opondica said:
Except America didn't screw up in gate because they just happened to half-ass it, they screwed up because they aren't Japan, the greatest country in the world.

Everyone watching should've realized this when the Japanese government announced the annexation of the special reason in episode 1 and nobody batted an eye.

entropy13 said:
Woah woah woah hold your horses. This is the only episode where fanservice is really at the forefront.

mangamuscle said:


For arguments sake, if this was a netflix live action series made for the US, Itami (played by silvester stallone) would next episode get his stash of weapons buried inside one box "just in case" and all by himself would kill the invading forces, never getting but "flesh wounds" from any bullets.

mangamuscle said:



If in the real world a hole opened in a country and it lead to another territory inside our own planet (like in the D&D campaign "Hollow World") you can bet that since that country has the only entrance, they would reclaim said territory and barring a full-fledged invasion, no other country could prevent them from doing so.

entropy13 said:
The princess is only partly an idiot (because of the "art"), but even if she's a genius she's not exactly powerful even with her own family. She's not the heir. She's not even the second eldest. We won't see any of her siblings/half-siblings however, except for the heir to the throne. Being the de facto liaison between the two sides is nothing short of a miracle for her.

mangamuscle said:

I definitely said above that I thought any country would do this, and would (unlike Japan in Gate) brutally exploit/utterly disregard the wishes and well-being of the natives. The point I was making was that the fact that nobody bats an eye at the annexation of the special region rather than saying "hey, what if the people who live there don't want to be annexed?" is indicative of the show's attitude towards Japan. It's the sort of thing someone writes because they love their country to an unhealthy extent. Unhealthy for their country's neighbors.

salmon3669 said:
We will get back to that, too bad anime onlys have the patience of = none. They must be satisfied every episode or the anime is automatically bad. (yes I am in a very sour mood right now)

opondica said:
I'm not really sure what you're trying to argue here. Is it that America also makes cheesy patriotic schlock? If so I'm not sure why that's relevant, because it doesn't change my opinion of Gate's quality at all to know that there exists media with similar flaws in other countries.

Sulfurian said:
People are also acting like this is the first time ANY Japanese writer or author has EVER done the whole "Japan is the best and strongest country in the world, and other countries are pure evil"

Fiji said:
I knew it has something to do with Itami being a soldier that his ex wife divorced him. >_<

Sulfurian said:
Well, for whatever reason most 24-25 episode series always have to have those maybe two or three episodes that are really hit or miss. But then once you go back into the action everyone forgets those episodes and the show gets back on track. This episode isn't really a random beach episode however. Just makes sense to not only treat the other worlders but also lure out the attackers in question while half of the party are only alert to the danger.

People are also acting like this is the first time ANY Japanese writer or author has EVER done the whole "Japan is the best and strongest country in the world, and other countries are pure evil" Don't give me that BS. Several famous anime/manga/movies from Japan all have that theme or symbolism. They just keep it under a different name, species, or event to keep the foreign otakus to keep buying their merchandise.

Cirris said:


It wasn't "THE" reason.

Itami was a soldier when she married him. Was part of the reason why she married him. Cause he was a stable money person. The REAL reason why she divorced him was that He didn't know that she actually loved him at all. That her whole "if you take care of me, I'll marry you" proposal made her sound like she was nothing but a self-serving spouse looking for stability, A marriage of convenience. (A common practice in Japan BTW.) And not one built on love and companionship. The whole flashback with Itami saying "don't worry, if something happens to me you'll get insurance benefits" was a dagger in her heart. She blamed herself because she made him think that way. She blamed him for being a BAKA and not understanding her. That's when she asked for the divorce. That way they can start over. If things get better again, they can become a couple the right way. If not, then it's for the best.

The manga explained her position better. So yeah it's not all from the Anime. The manga she was more specific when she said, "I loved him". They went with the "he doesn't know how a women feels" in the Anime, such ambiguous crap writing there.


We all know Rori is going to make him, a love slave.



Like I said it's RAMBO-esce. It's designed for a nationalistic purpose. You overlook it cause it's not your culture and you understand it.

It Just gets annoying when people try and rationalize that the script was actually well thought out, plausible, and full of realistic scenarios. The whole farcical "Japanese Diet" scene should be enough to tell you how stupid the crossing the gate arc was. They should have kept everyone in Arnus Hill and skipped the arc al together.

Sulfurian said:

I don't think the Diet was that unrealistic. Yes I am aware what the author was mainly trying to do with this arc, but the whole modern world mainly have no idea what is going on in the Special region. For the citizens and media to demand answers, Itami couldn't just refuse and keep going.

salmon3669 said:
In response to Cirris's comment.

I think I can get behind this, but you have to admit, no matter how stupid or senseless something is, a studio's job is to RESPECT the source material. Making it better is it's second job and done only if the director cares enough. But yeah, they should have skipped this arc since I hated this arc and everything in the other world before and after this is far more interesting.

Also I don't think it's that people try to rationalize tat scene but more of try to say why you shouldn't be flaming to drop it for one episode where it is fanservicy.

Paulo27 said:
Didn't realize Kurebayashi was so stacked, equipment sure can make things misleading, always thought she was flat.