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WrongPriest said: ziggy_Z said: So the greater the mage he uses, the more of the Grail is summoned? Nah, Illya is the purpose built container for the grail, Anyone else fucks it up. Gil wants it to fuck up. Why did Kirei want to use Rin's heartless body as a vessel? Could Gil have used literally anyone else? Normal people too? |
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Lollo36 said: WrongPriest said: Nah, Illya is the purpose built container for the grail, Anyone else fucks it up. Gil wants it to fuck up. Why did Kirei want to use Rin's heartless body as a vessel? Could Gil have used literally anyone else? Normal people too? Kire wanted Rin only because illya was dead, if illya had been alive (aka Fate route) he would have used her...but since she wasn't, Rin is a fine sustitute. Gil needs someone who isn't illya because that would make the grail imprefect...but to him, the worse they are the better. Shinji is perfect because he is the WORST magus out of everyone, he can't use magic but his circuits are still there, latent in his body, and therefore he can be used. |
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HandsomeMan said: nocorras said: No one wanted the fucking scene animated I swear you're retarded. This is why I hate MAL now. 'I've been given plenty of evidence as to why something makes no sense in universe but I'm going to say people fap to it to dismiss it kekeke xD xDDDDDD'. Not to mention the fact that sex to form a contract is pre-established in the Nasuverse, and where it's established was 100% for plot. Whatever makes you sleep at night. Your patronising smugness is literally seeping through my computer screen. |
HandsomeMan said: Fizix said: Damn this discussions gotten lame. Back in reality, the whole sex thing was only there in the first place so closet geeks could fap one off to Rins "most foul parts". I don't think any serious discussion revolving around the sex scene is legitimate or worthy of debate tbh. Its purpose wasn't for plot in the first place. Exactly this. Anyone who believes otherwise is delusional. The problem with that is simply that the scene was so bad, that instead of having any kind of sexual reaction, it would rather make you laugh very hard. |
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CookingPriest said: nocorras said: No one wanted the fucking scene animated I swear you're retarded. This is why I hate MAL now. 'I've been given plenty of evidence as to why something makes no sense in universe but I'm going to say people fap to it to dismiss it kekeke xD xDDDDDD'. Not to mention the fact that sex to form a contract is pre-established in the Nasuverse. Yeah. A fade to black and implicationt hat it happened would have thousand times better than what we got. Less plotholes and less feeling like ufotable is treating the audience of this show as children. Except considering they way they treat everything in this show...it seems to be for children. Many of the scenes could have been far more brutal than they were. |
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| Based on these posts I would have loved to seen scenes about this apparent slight difference of desires between Kirei and Gil when it came to the grail, and how the other would convince the other to go along, or at least not attack each other to get it the way they want by removing the other as an obstacle. Their evil bromance/power dynamic always interested me from Zero, even though I was butthurt over their actions and Kirei's heel turn. Also what Kirei thought about Gil killing Illya, or what Gil would think of Kirei going to use Illya, or what Gil thought when Kirei was using Rin. |
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Also what Kirei thought about Gil killing Illya "How troublesome,now i'm gonna have to use the tsundere",i think or what Gil would think of Kirei going to use Illya He didn't really care at the time,as he was busy with another matter rather than wiping out the unworthy mongrels what Gil thought when Kirei was using Rin. If by this you mean him deceiving her for ~10 years,we don't really know. |
DamnThatsTheSpot said: Also what Kirei thought about Gil killing Illya "How troublesome,now i'm gonna have to use the tsundere",i think or what Gil would think of Kirei going to use Illya He didn't really care at the time,as he was busy with another matter rather than wiping out the unworthy mongrels what Gil thought when Kirei was using Rin. If by this you mean him deceiving her for ~10 years,we don't really know. Nah I meant like using Rin as replacement for Illya, after he bothered to kill her and I assume at that point wouldn't be busy anymore? Though idk what he was busy with so maybe not? Either way, I think the scenes would have been interesting to see no matter what. |
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| Sex magic is and will always be the biggest cop out ever for the supposed sex scene Shirou and Rin were supposed to have. |
Gov said: Sex magic is and will always be the biggest cop out ever for the supposed sex scene Shirou and Rin were supposed to have. Well I kind of agree with you in this case, considering the mana contract is supposed to go so mana flows from Rin to Shirou... whichs mean if it was established by sex, it would be "against the flow" which seems quite weird in its own way. |
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FanEu said: Wow F/SN UBW keeps dropping in score ("only" #46 now) But thats probably because many VN readers also seem to be disappointed with it Honestly, i expected that to happen in this ep. Even if it was adapted perfectly, this is the wors part in the VN, it's almost shit-tier and almost destroyed ubw for me. |
FanEu said: Wow F/SN UBW keeps dropping in score ("only" #46 now) But thats probably because many VN readers also seem to be disappointed with it Literally gave up after the Answer sucked...this one i watched to see how they handled rinxshirou...and to my expectations, it went exactly how i pictured it :/ excluding the fact they used a messed up fish/sperm thingy instead of a full on dolphin. Grey-Zone said: Gov said: Sex magic is and will always be the biggest cop out ever for the supposed sex scene Shirou and Rin were supposed to have. Well I kind of agree with you in this case, considering the mana contract is supposed to go so mana flows from Rin to Shirou... whichs mean if it was established by sex, it would be "against the flow" which seems quite weird in its own way. Pretty sure the legit excuse was Sex = a connection with a person allowing you to transfer mana slowly between them while ALSO the fluids contain mana... |
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FanEu said: Wow F/SN UBW keeps dropping in score ("only" #46 now) But thats probably because many VN readers also seem to be disappointed with it Why were they expecting a proper or perfect adaptation anyway, lol? Everyone knows only Fate spinoffs get the best adaptations :^) |
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mira-nyan said: Everyone knows only Fate spinoffs get the best adaptations :^) I have to agree with this. |
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Fizix said: MetaSonic said: Wait a minute, what? The sex scenes were so hilariously bad I can't imagine someone fapping to it. And the 2 pieces of music that play for them really don't help. But they are still a good laugh, especially for Jackhammer Shirou. Yeah, this just means you're not one of those weird types that gets off on violation. The tone says it all, they are grim and are just power fantasy for inadequate guys to see the strong woman get dominated. That was kind of my point. When you have scenes that talk about violating someone anus, treating them like trash and rape, any notion of plot just falls apart. In regards to other comments about fading to black. The thing is, its still linked to the mana exchange and that isn't romance, having sex because you have to have sex for the "greater good" isn't romantic. Its tacky. That's why I can't take the "these are two people who love each other and would have had sex" seriously, it was a crappy, grim porno scene. It says in the scene that Shirou doesn't want to do it for a damn ritual, he wants to do it because they both want to and Rin agrees. FFS Sex making a contract did not happen first in FSN within the Nasuverse, it's not like he pulled it out of his ass on the spot. Hell even bodily fluids transferring mana/life force was not made up in FSN. |
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ProphecyPriest said: Gov said: No one asked for your input. If you want and bitch go do on your own time. Wow, rude. I guess that makes it true that this thread just isn't worth my time. I thought you were outta here? Look who comes back for more drama. As predicted. |
Fizix said: MetaSonic said: Wait a minute, what? The sex scenes were so hilariously bad I can't imagine someone fapping to it. And the 2 pieces of music that play for them really don't help. But they are still a good laugh, especially for Jackhammer Shirou. Yeah, this just means you're not one of those weird types that gets off on violation. The tone says it all, they are grim and are just power fantasy for inadequate guys to see the strong woman get dominated. That was kind of my point. When you have scenes that talk about violating someone anus, treating them like trash and rape, any notion of plot just falls apart. In regards to other comments about fading to black. The thing is, its still linked to the mana exchange and that isn't romance, having sex because you have to have sex for the "greater good" isn't romantic. Its tacky. That's why I can't take the "these are two people who love each other and would have had sex" seriously, it was a crappy, grim porno scene. i have to ask if you even played the VN? or are you just reading that CG floating around? Also, did you just state that because of anything with rape, treating someone like trash that the plot falls apart? ...pretty much you're entire comment screams "I'm pretentious." |
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TheUnknownMerc said: Fizix said: Yeah, this just means you're not one of those weird types that gets off on violation. The tone says it all, they are grim and are just power fantasy for inadequate guys to see the strong woman get dominated. That was kind of my point. When you have scenes that talk about violating someone anus, treating them like trash and rape, any notion of plot just falls apart. In regards to other comments about fading to black. The thing is, its still linked to the mana exchange and that isn't romance, having sex because you have to have sex for the "greater good" isn't romantic. Its tacky. That's why I can't take the "these are two people who love each other and would have had sex" seriously, it was a crappy, grim porno scene. i have to ask if you even played the VN? or are you just reading that CG floating around? Obvious he hasn't or skimmed it based on what he said considering what is said IN THE SCENE. |
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Fizix said: TheUnknownMerc said: i have to ask if you even played the VN? or are you just reading that CG floating around? Also, did you just state that because of anything with rape, treating someone like trash that the plot falls apart? ...pretty much you're entire comment screams "I'm pretentious." No I haven't played the VN, but I've seen the scene in question. And I said, when a groggy sex scene which exists for the reasons of being porn are thrown into a story, particularly groggy scenes, then any notion of plot falls apart. I guess, not having played the VN means that I've misunderstood the entirety of that scene and there is some deeper meaning behind it. I'm sorry but what I saw was a groggy sex scene with crummy, half arsed dialogue surrounding it. Yeah...so should i even bite this bait? i'll do it cause i'm bored. If you are interested in the scene allow me to enlighten you...first it's entire bad dialogue yes but pretty much anything involving "sex" is horrible dialogue...i don't think i've ever seen anything that involved sex having decent dialogue because sex isn't supposed to have "good" dialogue. It either works due to the characterization following up to it...and you either believe that it would happen in such situation or not. Sex in the first place has terrible dialogue and i don't know anyone who can actually defend that. as for the scene itself So have you misunderstood the entirety of the scene? Yes yes you did. Was it a bad scene? yes. Was the dialogue bad? Yes. Do i know wtf it was even about? considering i read it over 6 years ago...or longer...not at all, but you whole understanding of the scene makes you pretentious and wrong at that. |
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Gov said: the problem with your example with the chilly man is that it ignores that in that very scene caster pointed out that he wasnt getting as much mana as he could have been getting and was just wasting materials. his methods were horrible and he was a shit tier magus overall. no magus worth his salt would need to resort to such a method to generate that pitiful amount of mana on top of this your comparing random children to rin, a magus loaded with more magic circuits than most magi. a vile of rins blood is going to generate more power than at the very least multiple of those children. and as far as the exchange of bodily fluids between rin and shirou you also have to take into account rin has more than double the amount of magic circuits and energy than shirou. a blood transusion+incantation could work but the problem then also comes down to how much power is being generated compared to their magic circuits physically linking up.Maloghurst said: how so? in this verse you have seen entire human beings being melted down for mana...somehow sex is farfetched to you?life force is carried through bodily fluids blood bone marrow, sperm, hell even the meat and organs. it's not really all that dissimilar to what you had seen in full metal alchemist. sex is viewed as 2 souls coming together. in this verse the human body is nothing more than a container that houses energy("the soul) as far as this verse is concerned them having sex to tranfer mana is no different from taking contents from one flask linking it up to another flask and pouring the contents from one flask to another. Yes key word "beings." FMA made it very clear that the philosopher stone needed a certain number of human beinga for it be created and a transmutation circle. Very specific details are needed and I really want to put emphasis on "details". Quantifiable numbers we can measure to give us a certain output. Let us go back to the episode of when Caster's old master was sacrificing a certain amount of children to create a tiny mana crystal. I had no issue with this at all. The input: a certain amount of human children+technology needed to mush their bodies into liquids+magic to drain out the mana. Let us compare this to Shirou and Rin having sex, shall we? Body fluids are exchanged. Ya. We don't know how much is being exchanged because sex is very variable. One session of sex could be different from another. The pacing, the positions, the amount of action of happening, how much body fluids are being exchanged and the stretch of time this whole activity time took place. This is too variable to have a certain output at the end. Theoretically lets say we could, wouldn't this form of mana exchange be simply disadvantageous? Rin has to transfer her body fluids to Shirou but clearly amount of fluids Shirou is giving to Rin is greater than the Rin gives to Shirou. You could make an argument otherwise but then you have to go into the nitty gritty details of the sex they have having. Bottom line, too many issues involved in sex magic for it to be be used here. . |
Maloghurst said: Gov said: the problem with your example with the chilly man is that it ignores that in that very scene caster pointed out that he wasnt getting as much mana as he could have been getting and was just wasting materials. his methods were horrible and he was a shit tier magus overall. no magus worth his salt would need to resort to such a method to generate that pitiful amount of mana on top of this your comparing random children to rin, a magus loaded with more magic circuits than most magi. a vile of rins blood is going to generate more power than at the very least multiple of those children. and as far as the exchange of bodily fluids between rin and shirou you also have to take into account rin has more than double the amount of magic circuits and energy than shirou. a blood transusion+incantation could work but the problem then also comes down to how much power is being generated compared to their magic circuits physically linking up.Yes key word "beings." FMA made it very clear that the philosopher stone needed a certain number of human beinga for it be created and a transmutation circle. Very specific details are needed and I really want to put emphasis on "details". Quantifiable numbers we can measure to give us a certain output. Let us go back to the episode of when Caster's old master was sacrificing a certain amount of children to create a tiny mana crystal. I had no issue with this at all. The input: a certain amount of human children+technology needed to mush their bodies into liquids+magic to drain out the mana. Let us compare this to Shirou and Rin having sex, shall we? Body fluids are exchanged. Ya. We don't know how much is being exchanged because sex is very variable. One session of sex could be different from another. The pacing, the positions, the amount of action of happening, how much body fluids are being exchanged and the stretch of time this whole activity time took place. This is too variable to have a certain output at the end. Theoretically lets say we could, wouldn't this form of mana exchange be simply disadvantageous? Rin has to transfer her body fluids to Shirou but clearly amount of fluids Shirou is giving to Rin is greater than the Rin gives to Shirou. You could make an argument otherwise but then you have to go into the nitty gritty details of the sex they have having. Bottom line, too many issues involved in sex magic for it to be be used here. . Not to mention that it's not about the exchange of fluids in this case so none of what was said matters. In this case it's about the connection and contract, Shirou does not gain a stockpile of his own from bodily fluids he's tapping into Rin's mana source directly. I don't even think Shirou has the capacity for that kind of mana on his own anyway. The only thing the sex does here is create the path/contract between the two, how much bodily fluid is exchanged does not matter at all. |
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nocorras said: how much bodily fluid is exchanged does not matter at all. Yea that only affects meaningless things like how well your dignity remains intact. |
| Ok, finally got around to watching the chapter. And Yup, Realta Nua version. And i thought it was Ok for the most part, except for those weird, sperm-toxic waste-dolphins. I found the episode meh, but so it was the scene in the VN, be it in the original or the RN version. |
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superzombie23 said: Saw this last Saturday and all I have to say is that it was hugely disappointing. They don't even kiss or imply anything. I was like ... here it comes, the moment when she mentions... transplanting her Magic Crest? LAME... She/Miura's clearly blushing at that moment to tease all the original VN readers because everyone with a brain is aware the other option is Mana Transfer, which we have been dying to see for like a decade now. I still can't believe they couldn't imply it. Our only hope is HF. Considering that the magic crest scene is what happens in Realta Nua, which was made and approved by Nasu himself, Miura/Ufo really shouldn't be taking all this heat for "changing" what should've been |
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superzombie23 said: Our only hope is HF. HF will be in movie format, so they won't censor anything. Hopefully. You never know. |
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fst said: Considering KnK had a full on explicit rape scene... Don't get me wrong, I think the sex scene here would've been better too. It just kind of annoyed me that everyone was targeting Miura like he completely pulled this out of nowhere |
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fst said: Considering KnK had a full on explicit rape scene... It did? Now my hope for HF has gone up, regarding the censoring. Like you know, |
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Nekuwafers said: Don't get me wrong, I think the sex scene here would've been better too. It just kind of annoyed me that everyone was targeting Miura like he completely pulled this out of nowhere I think it's because he could've chosen implied sex instead of magic crest transfer. Or could he have not? |
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VarunaBles said: Nekuwafers said: Don't get me wrong, I think the sex scene here would've been better too. It just kind of annoyed me that everyone was targeting Miura like he completely pulled this out of nowhere I think it's because he could've chosen implied sex instead of magic crest transfer. Or could he have not? He definitely could've, but I understand why he wouldn't, either way I'm not too mad about it, disappointed more like it. Tho if we get censoring in HF i'll be pissed |
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Nekuwafers said: it's more of a dissapointment that mr fanservice miura went with RN instead of going for something possibly a little more anime original or just some implications of the rinxshirou relationship getting physical. it would have also been cool if the anime, since it's an anime and has a chance to do something different, given a new scene that possibly even exceeds both ver of the VN...something that would make a hell of a lot more sense than rin throwing away her crest. of course expecting this anime to do anything is silly on my end.fst said: Considering KnK had a full on explicit rape scene... Don't get me wrong, I think the sex scene here would've been better too. It just kind of annoyed me that everyone was targeting Miura like he completely pulled this out of nowhere VarunaBles said: yes KnK had full on rape scene but dont get your hopes up for HF after all they gotta show how dark and mature a shounin harem series can be.fst said: Considering KnK had a full on explicit rape scene... It did? Now my hope for HF has gone up, regarding the censoring. Like you know, |
ZeroDragon said: superzombie23 said: Our only hope [img]http://i.imgur.com/uvED1b2.gif[/ img] Accept and rejoice for you have been forsaken, awaiting only the ensuing doom that shall fall upon the ideal that you still feebly grasp in your meager hands. Your hope is nothing more than a false light that surrounds you with an illusion that shall ensnare and extract from you despair as the curtains fall. The reversal of the trap is ever-inevitable, a cycle ever-repeating. The cyclic script repeats, the eternal actors replay this trope anew. Battles lost are to be recorded, yet they shall not weigh down the ambitions held for the future. To accept the defeats of the past as prophetic of what is to come would only serve to dampen our capacity to rejoice - thus making true yuetsu unattainable. Disappointment is not be hidden from, and the risk of disillusionment should not dictate our lives. Cast out your pessimism, King of Heroes, for it only serves to belay your aspirations. |
I am the Priest of my church Yuetsu is my body, and wine is my blood I have trolled over a thousand users Unknown to sympathy, nor known to apathy Withstood Shirou to eat Mapo Tofu Yet, my question will never be answered So as I rejoice, Unlimited Kirei Works! |
| Awesome episode. Even the slow episodes feel like they go by in 5 minutes. I was sensing some Saber death flags this episode. Also I'm pretty sure Emiya and Rin do more than just "transfer mana" in the VN lol :D But whatever it was cute seeing Rin get all embarrassed like that. xD |
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Maloghurst said: Nekuwafers said: it's more of a dissapointment that mr fanservice miura went with RN instead of going for something possibly a little more anime original or just some implications of the rinxshirou relationship getting physical. it would have also been cool if the anime, since it's an anime and has a chance to do something different, given a new scene that possibly even exceeds both ver of the VN...something that would make a hell of a lot more sense than rin throwing away her crest. of course expecting this anime to do anything is silly on my end.Don't get me wrong, I think the sex scene here would've been better too. It just kind of annoyed me that everyone was targeting Miura like he completely pulled this out of nowhere VarunaBles said: yes KnK had full on rape scene but dont get your hopes up for HF after all they gotta show how dark and mature a shounin harem series can be.It did? Now my hope for HF has gone up, regarding the censoring. Like you know, +1. Both scenes in original and RN were awful, but the overall situation of those two just finally getting physically affectionate is good and makes sense. Just the dialogue was stupid as hell, UFO had an easy opportunity here to make a scene that was better than the VN in every way and instead just did RN. |
SaintEmiya said: Maloghurst said: it's more of a dissapointment that mr fanservice miura went with RN instead of going for something possibly a little more anime original or just some implications of the rinxshirou relationship getting physical. it would have also been cool if the anime, since it's an anime and has a chance to do something different, given a new scene that possibly even exceeds both ver of the VN...something that would make a hell of a lot more sense than rin throwing away her crest. of course expecting this anime to do anything is silly on my end. yes KnK had full on rape scene but dont get your hopes up for HF after all they gotta show how dark and mature a shounin harem series can be. +1. Both scenes in original and RN were awful, but the overall situation of those two just finally getting physically affectionate is good and makes sense. Just the dialogue was stupid as hell, UFO had an easy opportunity here to make a scene that was better than the VN in every way and instead just did RN. Rin almost gets raped -> she has sex in the next episode. |
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Lollo36 said: And? She did not get raped and she is far stronger a person than to let shit like that affect her.SaintEmiya said: +1. Both scenes in original and RN were awful, but the overall situation of those two just finally getting physically affectionate is good and makes sense. Just the dialogue was stupid as hell, UFO had an easy opportunity here to make a scene that was better than the VN in every way and instead just did RN. Rin almost gets raped -> she has sex in the next episode. |
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CookingPriest said: Lollo36 said: And? She did not get raped and she is far stronger a person than to let shit like that affect her.Rin almost gets raped -> she has sex in the next episode. She' s so strong that, after seeing the mess Shinji made at her school, she almost blacks out for a bit. Edit: she also cries after being betrayed by Archer |
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Lollo36 said: And as Shirou describes Rin, Rin feels down for a bit and then bounces back better than ever.CookingPriest said: And? She did not get raped and she is far stronger a person than to let shit like that affect her. She' s so strong that, after seeing the mess Shinji made at her school, she almost blacks out for a bit. Edit: she also cries after being betrayed by Archer |
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CookingPriest said: Lollo36 said: And as Shirou describes Rin, Rin feels down for a bit and then bounces back better than ever.She' s so strong that, after seeing the mess Shinji made at her school, she almost blacks out for a bit. Edit: she also cries after being betrayed by Archer Exactly. We don' t even get that, here. Rin gets almost raped, her teacher almost murders her, and a servant she just befriended sacrifices himself for her, but all she thinks about are Shirou and Archer, because the narrative demands so. |
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