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VarunaBles said: well it all happened because shirou blew his command seal in ep 1..... anime onlies wil find out what happens when shirou didnt blow it in the next adaptation.IheartC2 said: or it could have a disastrous opposite effect... It was disastrous, for the most part. What happens when you let Archer do his thing? The whole Unlimited Blade Works route. Just to prove he is right when compared to his younger self. |
IheartC2 said: mira-nyan said: It's what happens when two of the same person are in one universe ~.~ or it could have a disastrous opposite effect... It is disastrous. But, unlike the VN, you're not in Shirou's mind, so you can't know what he feels in detail. Especially when Ufo, these days, suck at show, don't tell. And it's AU, so in the VN it might have had disastrous effects, but maybe not in the anime. |
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Maloghurst said: well it all happened because shirou blew his command seal in ep 1..... I just meant what would happen if Archer was given the chance instead of getting rekt. |
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| I'd like a route to exist where Shirou summons Archer and they bro it out. I know that would be like, spitting in canon and nasulogic but I would still love to see it :L. |
SaintEmiya said: lol Kirei is more likely to summon archer. now THAT would be a hell of a team.I'd like a route to exist where Shirou summons Archer and they bro it out. I know that would be like, spitting in canon and nasulogic but I would still love to see it :L. |
SaintEmiya said: I'd like a route to exist where Shirou summons Archer and they bro it out. I know that would be like, spitting in canon and nasulogic but I would still love to see it :L. this is what happens (HF SPOILERS!) http://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/102-What-if-________-was-Shirou-s-Servant?p=3134&viewfull=1#post3134 Maloghurst said: lol Kirei is more likely to summon archer. now THAT would be a hell of a team. Troll-Pair I approve :D |
Maloghurst said: lol Kirei is more likely to summon archer. now THAT would be a hell of a team. I would like this. |
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Maloghurst said: SaintEmiya said: lol Kirei is more likely to summon archer. now THAT would be a hell of a team.I'd like a route to exist where Shirou summons Archer and they bro it out. I know that would be like, spitting in canon and nasulogic but I would still love to see it :L. There is a fanfiction where this happens in the 4th holy grail war. Tokiomi summons Archer and Archer spends a lot of effort molding young Kirei, I forgot what it was called though :(. |
SaintEmiya said: dont worry it's probably average anywaysMaloghurst said: lol Kirei is more likely to summon archer. now THAT would be a hell of a team. There is a fanfiction where this happens in the 4th holy grail war. Tokiomi summons Archer and Archer spends a lot of effort molding young Kirei, I forgot what it was called though :(. |
Maloghurst said: SaintEmiya said: lol Kirei is more likely to summon archer. now THAT would be a hell of a team.I'd like a route to exist where Shirou summons Archer and they bro it out. I know that would be like, spitting in canon and nasulogic but I would still love to see it :L. No, not even remotely yes. |
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Maloghurst said: SaintEmiya said: dont worry it's probably average anywaysThere is a fanfiction where this happens in the 4th holy grail war. Tokiomi summons Archer and Archer spends a lot of effort molding young Kirei, I forgot what it was called though :(. I'm sad that most fanfiction has been tainted by this guy called Gabriel Blessing and his butchering of Shirou. Not many actually portray Shirou properly :/. |
SaintEmiya said: Maloghurst said: lol Kirei is more likely to summon archer. now THAT would be a hell of a team. There is a fanfiction where this happens in the 4th holy grail war. Tokiomi summons Archer and Archer spends a lot of effort molding young Kirei, I forgot what it was called though :(. Remember by Golden Lark: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/7879859/1/Remember Has my favourite line ever written in fanfiction: ''Emiya Kiritsugu.... ...drown in your ideals, and DIE!" |
Shrimperor said: SaintEmiya said: There is a fanfiction where this happens in the 4th holy grail war. Tokiomi summons Archer and Archer spends a lot of effort molding young Kirei, I forgot what it was called though :(. Remember by Golden Lark: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/7879859/1/Remember Has my favourite line ever written in fanfiction: ''Emiya Kiritsugu.... ...drown in your ideals, and DIE!" Ooooo thank you, I'll catch up on it :) |
SaintEmiya said: Maloghurst said: dont worry it's probably average anyways I'm sad that most fanfiction has been tainted by this guy called Gabriel Blessing and his butchering of Shirou. Not many actually portray Shirou properly :/. Literally don't even know who that is ~.~ |
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Shrimperor said: Remember by Golden Lark: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/7879859/1/Remember Has my favourite line ever written in fanfiction: ''Emiya Kiritsugu.... ...drown in your ideals, and DIE!" greatest fate related line. |
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SaintEmiya said: I thinks they should have shown the fight from both shirou and archer's perspective as they clash. Most of the perspective was given to archer and his monologues. Shirou has just one monologue as he strikes archer. And yes the last part of the battle(not answer) was done better by DEEN as we can feel the impact. Also lack of use of emiya is also a reason. It was a good episode and the changing of RM was showed well but it lacked the impact it needed(as compared to the VN).Othi-tan said: Archer was full of emotion the whole ep.And what emotion should he make there?In the end he let his old self win. http://lparchive.org/Fatestay-night/Update%20218/198-UBW15-03-451.jpg I dont know what emotion you expect from this. Lets not even go into that they actually showed why Archer lost. I've already said this, but I'll say it again. The episode was technically done very well, UFO IMO (apart from the giant swords + wtfpower Avalon) did everything REALLY well in my opinion DURING the fight and Answer. But the end of it had 0 fucking impact, which is an opinion shared by most of the people here. Whilst I think most can agree that they felt impact at the end of DEEN's fight, also it's well known that DEEN are rather great at still images. Just saying, the end of the fight looked a billion times better with DEEN, Archer looked like he finally got some resolution, the sword looked better, basically everything looked better. The only other complaint is that the atmosphere and emotion did feel lacking (which others have said), there's a reason a lot of anime onlies here said that it was dragging, if UFO had upped the tension and atmosphere everyone would be on the edge of their seats. Instead the fight was actually Shounen-ish, Talking-Fighting-Sitting-Fighting. When DEEN themselves actually showed you can have the talking WHILST fighting and it still looks good. Also I'm not gonna comment again on how fucking silent this whole scene was, barely any emiya? Whatever, the music has been done poorly this entire adaptation. Honestly, everyone loves to bash DEEN, and I was going to say that after episode 20 that UFO was going to completely smash DEEN to pieces, but UFO let the ball drop this episode. Both adaptations of Answer are good for different reasons, UFO is better but definitely was worse in some aspects. |
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frenze12 said: You know i realised that this anime got alot of criticism for "trying to be deep but just keeps failing to deliver such a message". Some even called it the "worst" anime ever. And judging from the rating the show gets, it's far from being "the so called masterpiece" compared to lets say a utter no-brain anime like DxD which gets praised like a new religion no matter how nonsensical it is. I guess that means they should just stop trying to be "deep/physiological" and just keep it simple like the latter? I mean if people just want "Michael bay" then give it. Don't try to mix it with Shakespeare it just doesn't work that way... "Trying to be deep but failing to deliver the message" is a bad criticism because it essentially means "I didn't understand what is happening". I don't see where you're getting the Shakespeare. Shakespeare is not even psychological or deep. Sophocles is deeper. |
Kolios said: frenze12 said: You know i realised that this anime got alot of criticism for "trying to be deep but just keeps failing to deliver such a message". Some even called it the "worst" anime ever. And judging from the rating the show gets, it's far from being "the so called masterpiece" compared to lets say a utter no-brain anime like DxD which gets praised like a new religion no matter how nonsensical it is. I guess that means they should just stop trying to be "deep/physiological" and just keep it simple like the latter? I mean if people just want "Michael bay" then give it. Don't try to mix it with Shakespeare it just doesn't work that way... "Trying to be deep but failing to deliver the message" is a bad criticism because it essentially means "I didn't understand what is happening". I don't see where you're getting the Shakespeare. Shakespeare is not even psychological or deep. Sophocles is deeper. Nope "Trying to be deep but failing to deliver the message" is exactly that and it describes this show perfectly. The show has identity crisis, it does not know what it wants to be - a "zero sequel" a "faithful adaptation", a "michael bay movie"? ensemble cast? one character POV? Fanservice adaptation? It tries to be all and fails at all. Directing in most of crucial scenes leaves a LOT to be desires and the show certainly has trouble conveying both its message AND Shirou's character/personality/ideology/characterization(considering barely any anime onlies even got the basics of it and even rereads guy said this is confusing as fuck and the dude rewatches four times and is a profesional reviewer) |
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| Isayama Hajime should be awarded The Manga with The Highest Inconsistencies of Characters' Appearances. He keeps performing multiple plastic surgeries on those Shingeki No Kyojin characters in a SINGLE chapter. Yes, I've read up to the latest chapter of Shingeki No Kyojin manga. Forced myself to read through the kidsketching chapters after the anime's ended. At least from now on, I only have to go through the hell once a month. Patiently awaiting SNK TV/movie/OVA anime-sequel. The 2015 SNK live-action movie would probably suck. |
CookingPriest said: The show has identity crisis, it does not know what it wants to be - a "zero sequel" a "faithful adaptation", a "michael bay movie"? ensemble cast? one character POV? Fanservice adaptation? It tries to be all and fails at all. Well, the Fate/Zero anime fanbase wanted an ensemble cast so in that sense a lot of them would have hated this anime even if it was a perfect adaption anyway. The ANN reviews are a perfect example of this. |
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CookingPriest said: Kolios said: "Trying to be deep but failing to deliver the message" is a bad criticism because it essentially means "I didn't understand what is happening". I don't see where you're getting the Shakespeare. Shakespeare is not even psychological or deep. Sophocles is deeper. Nope "Trying to be deep but failing to deliver the message" is exactly that and it describes this show perfectly. The show has identity crisis, it does not know what it wants to be - a "zero sequel" a "faithful adaptation", a "michael bay movie"? ensemble cast? one character POV? Fanservice adaptation? It tries to be all and fails at all. Directing in most of crucial scenes leaves a LOT to be desires and the show certainly has trouble conveying both its message AND Shirou's character/personality/ideology/characterization(considering barely any anime onlies even got the basics of it and even rereads guy said this is confusing as fuck and the dude rewatches four times and is a profesional reviewer) There are anime onlies that understood Shirou's character and the answer. It's not complicated and you have imagery/visuals to help. The Michael Bay comparison is overblown. The flashy special effects only happens druring the fights, which as you have claimed before, are short. And viewers who watch anime do have a hard time understanding things. Take an anime named Serial Experiment Lain and Evangelion, many people claimed that they didn't understand, even if in Evangelion TV series the crux of the show's theme is spelled out in the last episode. Visual medium is never a medium where you'll get everyone to understand what is being said. I mean heck, some VN readers think Shirou has survivor's guilt and I wouldn't claim VN to be high level literature. Why don't people understand? That's not a question I care about because things should never be lowered to the common denominator. This isn't a highschool math course where the teacher has to take the time to make everyone understand the subject. People regard Fate/Zero as a better show than this one and still don't understand shit about any themes. They don't understand Kirei's character, they just think he's cold and cool. With Kiritsugu, they feel his pain but can't put into words that the show was shitting on his pseudo-utilitarianism (i.e that you're supposed to understand the utility of actions to determine the value of said action, Kiritsugu didn't know the grail's nature until the end). |
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| I wish they'd make more original anime so people would stop comparing shows to VN and manga, and acting like a bunch of whiners when a studio doesn't adapt stuff like whiners want. Well, even then, people would still find something else to complain about. Meh. I've watched several shows that were based off of manga and VNs and I really enjoyed them. Then, at the end of each episode I'd come here looking for decent discussions about the actual anime adaptation and all I see is people whining about how it's not the same as the VN or the freaking manga. I've also read manga before watching some shows and I didn't care if it didn't follow exactly the manga. It's an adaptation. |
DaHitmanJun 1, 2015 5:46 AM
DaHitman said: I wish they'd make more original anime so people would stop comparing shows to VN and manga, and acting like a bunch of whiners when a studio doesn't adapt stuff like whiners want. Well, even then, people would still find something else to complain about. Meh. I've watched several shows that were based off of manga and VNs and I really enjoyed them. Then, at the end of each episode I'd come here looking for decent discussions about the actual anime adaptation and all I see is people whining about how it's not the same as the VN or the freaking manga. I've also read manga before watching some shows and I didn't care if it didn't follow exactly the manga. It's an adaptation. Cool, but when i know a bunch of AO watchers who all thought the latest episode was one of the shittiest so far...it can't just be my own VN taste there. |
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DaHitman said: I wish they'd make more original anime so people would stop comparing shows to VN and manga, and acting like a bunch of whiners when a studio doesn't adapt stuff like whiners want. Ga-Rei Zero. |
TheUnknownMerc said: DaHitman said: I wish they'd make more original anime so people would stop comparing shows to VN and manga, and acting like a bunch of whiners when a studio doesn't adapt stuff like whiners want. Well, even then, people would still find something else to complain about. Meh. I've watched several shows that were based off of manga and VNs and I really enjoyed them. Then, at the end of each episode I'd come here looking for decent discussions about the actual anime adaptation and all I see is people whining about how it's not the same as the VN or the freaking manga. I've also read manga before watching some shows and I didn't care if it didn't follow exactly the manga. It's an adaptation. Cool, but when i know a bunch of AO watchers who all thought the latest episode was one of the shittiest so far...it can't just be my own VN taste there. Some people liked the episode, some people didn't like it, it is like everything. frenze12 said: You know i realised that this anime got alot of criticism for "trying to be deep but just keeps failing to deliver such a message". Some even called it the "worst" anime ever. And judging from the rating the show gets, it's far from being "the so called masterpiece" compared to lets say a utter no-brain anime like DxD which gets praised like a new religion no matter how nonsensical it is. I guess that means they should just stop trying to be "deep/physiological" and just keep it simple like the latter? I mean if people just want "Michael bay" then give it. Don't try to mix it with Shakespeare it just doesn't work that way... The rating are pretty good for this episode: 5/5 182 59.48% 4/5 64 20.92% And the show is ranked 37, it is pretty good but what matters, it isn't the rating/ranking, it is if you like it or not. |
DaHitman said: I wish they'd make more original anime so people would stop comparing shows to VN and manga, and acting like a bunch of whiners when a studio doesn't adapt stuff like whiners want. Well, even then, people would still find something else to complain about. Meh. I've watched several shows that were based off of manga and VNs and I really enjoyed them. Then, at the end of each episode I'd come here looking for decent discussions about the actual anime adaptation and all I see is people whining about how it's not the same as the VN or the freaking manga. I've also read manga before watching some shows and I didn't care if it didn't follow exactly the manga. It's an adaptation. I know,it will be too boring if they follow exactly like the VN,like archer unleashed ubw twice which is not in VN.This is not VN,this is anime and people need to accept that. |
clintonmadara said: DaHitman said: I wish they'd make more original anime so people would stop comparing shows to VN and manga, and acting like a bunch of whiners when a studio doesn't adapt stuff like whiners want. Well, even then, people would still find something else to complain about. Meh. I've watched several shows that were based off of manga and VNs and I really enjoyed them. Then, at the end of each episode I'd come here looking for decent discussions about the actual anime adaptation and all I see is people whining about how it's not the same as the VN or the freaking manga. I've also read manga before watching some shows and I didn't care if it didn't follow exactly the manga. It's an adaptation. I know,it will be too boring if they follow exactly like the VN,like archer unleashed ubw twice which is not in VN.This is not VN,this is anime and people need to accept that. Archer using UBW wasn't something that was like "OMFG HE DID IT TWICE SO STUPID THAT ISN'T IN THE VN" It's a matter of UBW being a prana using skill...Archer stated that he was low on prana AFTER using it, and it's a heavy prana using skill...so how the FUCK could he use it again? Did he get more prana somehow? It's not that he used it twice we are pissed at, it's the fact that it makes no sense universe wise. It's basically typical shounen shit at that point. IF we had some exposition on how he recovered enough prana to use the skill again then there would be no issue. Regardless i don't think many VN readers how much of an issue with WHY it was used so much as the technical aspects of it's use. You can't go "OH IT'S ANIME IT CAN DO WHAT IT WANTS," there are still rules you need to follow. |
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TheUnknownMerc said: clintonmadara said: I know,it will be too boring if they follow exactly like the VN,like archer unleashed ubw twice which is not in VN.This is not VN,this is anime and people need to accept that. Archer using UBW wasn't something that was like "OMFG HE DID IT TWICE SO STUPID THAT ISN'T IN THE VN" It's a matter of UBW being a prana using skill...Archer stated that he was low on prana AFTER using it, and it's a heavy prana using skill...so how the FUCK could he use it again? Did he get more prana somehow? It's not that he used it twice we are pissed at, it's the fact that it makes no sense universe wise. It's basically typical shounen shit at that point. IF we had some exposition on how he recovered enough prana to use the skill again then there would be no issue. Regardless i don't think many VN readers how much of an issue with WHY it was used so much as the technical aspects of it's use. You can't go "OH IT'S ANIME IT CAN DO WHAT IT WANTS," there are still rules you need to follow. Yeah, at this point I would have prefered a full on anime original route than this. |
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CookingPriest said: TheUnknownMerc said: Archer using UBW wasn't something that was like "OMFG HE DID IT TWICE SO STUPID THAT ISN'T IN THE VN" It's a matter of UBW being a prana using skill...Archer stated that he was low on prana AFTER using it, and it's a heavy prana using skill...so how the FUCK could he use it again? Did he get more prana somehow? It's not that he used it twice we are pissed at, it's the fact that it makes no sense universe wise. It's basically typical shounen shit at that point. IF we had some exposition on how he recovered enough prana to use the skill again then there would be no issue. Regardless i don't think many VN readers how much of an issue with WHY it was used so much as the technical aspects of it's use. You can't go "OH IT'S ANIME IT CAN DO WHAT IT WANTS," there are still rules you need to follow. Yeah, at this point I would have prefered a full on anime original route than this. So just treat it as that. It's based on UBW, but it's clearly not UBW. Even Nasu says so. So you should just sit down and enjoy the show ~.~ |
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mira-nyan said: CookingPriest said: Yeah, at this point I would have prefered a full on anime original route than this. So just treat it as that. It's based on UBW, but it's clearly not UBW. Even Nasu says so. So you should just sit down and enjoy the show ~.~ Yea,its practically not bad as i've seen so far.But saber being my fav. Character and doing nothing seems pretty off for me and not exciting as other fate series. |
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mira-nyan said: CookingPriest said: Yeah, at this point I would have prefered a full on anime original route than this. So just treat it as that. It's based on UBW, but it's clearly not UBW. Even Nasu says so. So you should just sit down and enjoy the show ~.~ The problem is it isn't following the mechanics. if they had done AO only shit and let's say, had archer use UBW before caster died (who was supplying him mana) thereby letting him recharge for a second UBW later. Or showed archer doing something that let's him supply himself with mana...or state some AO bullshit explaination as to how he recovered his mana... OR...OR not saying "I'm almost out of mana" after the First UBW...if they had just left that statement out it would have nulled any VN arguer because the anime never stated how much mana he had, or anything. But because he stated that he was now almost out of mana, it makes UBW illogical. So regardless of how i treat the series, mechanics are still broken. |
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TheUnknownMerc said: The problem is it isn't following the mechanics. if they had done AO only shit and let's say, had archer use UBW before caster died (who was supplying him mana) thereby letting him recharge for a second UBW later. Or showed archer doing something that let's him supply himself with mana...or state some AO bullshit explaination as to how he recovered his mana... OR...OR not saying "I'm almost out of mana" after the First UBW...if they had just left that statement out it would have nulled any VN arguer because the anime never stated how much mana he had, or anything. But because he stated that he was now almost out of mana, it makes UBW illogical. So regardless of how i treat the series, mechanics are still broken. Like I said, treat it as an AU. Because that's what it is. It's possible that Archer has more prana left than in the VN. Lol, not enough to summon UBW, ofc, but hey, he had Caster-prana-factory-#4 as a master, he might've stocked up some spare. Yes, the mechanics and rules have been broken. But, hey, that's what the Nasuverse is about, right? :D Don't worry, Nasu will retcon it in the BDs. |
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mira-nyan said: TheUnknownMerc said: The problem is it isn't following the mechanics. if they had done AO only shit and let's say, had archer use UBW before caster died (who was supplying him mana) thereby letting him recharge for a second UBW later. Or showed archer doing something that let's him supply himself with mana...or state some AO bullshit explaination as to how he recovered his mana... OR...OR not saying "I'm almost out of mana" after the First UBW...if they had just left that statement out it would have nulled any VN arguer because the anime never stated how much mana he had, or anything. But because he stated that he was now almost out of mana, it makes UBW illogical. So regardless of how i treat the series, mechanics are still broken. Like I said, treat it as an AU. Because that's what it is. It's possible that Archer has more prana left than in the VN. Lol, not enough to summon UBW, ofc, but hey, he had Caster-prana-factory-#4 as a master, he might've stocked up some spare. Yes, the mechanics and rules have been broken. But, hey, that's what the Nasuverse is about, right? :D Don't worry, Nasu will retcon it in the BDs. The problem is, no exposition on it. Instead of putting some VN stuff here and there they should focus on exposition. That's what CookingPriest meant by it doesn't know what it wants to do. Sometimes it tries to be faithful to the VN and then immediately goes and puts AO stuff into it, sometimes it does great character development and then for other characters it does it half assed or not at all. Some scenes have great action sequences...others look pretty shitty. It's trying to do all these things at once...and not doing a great job at any of them. |
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TheUnknownMerc said: mira-nyan said: Like I said, treat it as an AU. Because that's what it is. It's possible that Archer has more prana left than in the VN. Lol, not enough to summon UBW, ofc, but hey, he had Caster-prana-factory-#4 as a master, he might've stocked up some spare. Yes, the mechanics and rules have been broken. But, hey, that's what the Nasuverse is about, right? :D Don't worry, Nasu will retcon it in the BDs. The problem is, no exposition on it. Instead of putting some VN stuff here and there they should focus on exposition. That's what CookingPriest meant by it doesn't know what it wants to do. Sometimes it tries to be faithful to the VN and then immediately goes and puts AO stuff into it, sometimes it does great character development and then for other characters it does it half assed or not at all. Some scenes have great action sequences...others look pretty shitty. It's trying to do all these things at once...and not doing a great job at any of them. Which is a problem that can be overlooked when you realise it's an AU. Surely there's a timeline out there in which Shirou decides not to practice projection one night, Archer manages to cast UBW twice, Caster doesn't talk to Archer about the Anti-heroes, e.t.c It's just how you look at it. You're looking at it as [i]'Ahh, they missed this! They missed that! Why did they change that? Why did they change this!? Why did they add unneeded stuff and take away the important stuff?! They forgot that crucial info!!!Ahhh, rageeeeeeeeeeee!! Include the important stuff, dammit!'[/i] I'm looking at it as 'Meh, AU, blow me away.' Ofc, that was totally an exaggeration. But it gets the point across :P |
mira-pyonJun 1, 2015 9:09 AM
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mira-nyan said: TheUnknownMerc said: The problem is, no exposition on it. Instead of putting some VN stuff here and there they should focus on exposition. That's what CookingPriest meant by it doesn't know what it wants to do. Sometimes it tries to be faithful to the VN and then immediately goes and puts AO stuff into it, sometimes it does great character development and then for other characters it does it half assed or not at all. Some scenes have great action sequences...others look pretty shitty. It's trying to do all these things at once...and not doing a great job at any of them. Which is a problem that can be overlooked when you realise it's an AU. Surely there's a timeline out there in which Shirou decides not to practice projection one night, Archer manages to cast UBW twice, Caster doesn't talk to Archer about the Anti-heroes, e.t.c It's just how you look at it. You're looking at it as [i]'Ahh, they missed this! They missed that! Why did they change that? Why did they change this!? Why did they add unneeded stuff and take away the important stuff?! They forgot that crucial info!!!Ahhh, rageeeeeeeeeeee!! Include the important stuff, dammit!'[/i] I'm looking at it as 'Meh, AU, blow me away.' Ofc, that was totally an exaggeration. But it gets the point across :P Your point is completely mute. You seem to misunderstand Multiuniverse theory. It's about decisions, not physics/mechanics, it does not break physics or mechanics it merely uses choices to create multiple parallel universes. Shirou decides not to practice projection one night, Caster doesn't talk to Archer about the Anti-heroes These are correct. They are "Choices" that a person has made and therefore another universe is create in the opposite regard. However Archer manages to cast UBW twice This relies on mechanics, this does NOT rely on decision, but mechanics. Archer choosing to refile his mana by sacrificing humans, this is a decision, Archer choosing toDecision...these are choices that could be made enabling archer to use UBW twice. Him choosing to NOT use UBW in the church is a valid choice that could lead to him using it later. If none of these come true you can't just go "Well he just managed to do it." It's mana...if he is near empty he can't cast it, unless exposition states otherwise on mechanics that allow him to... something prior to state he could be able to, like i said, NOT stating he was almost out of mana...which he did so oh well on that regard. I agree on AU, i DON'T agree with AU getting away with breaking mechanics. |
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TheUnknownMerc said: I agree on AU, i DON'T agree with AU getting away with breaking mechanics. Actually, yeah, they did state the thing about the low prana. And I get the theory, but while the decisions of the characters can't change them, Nasu's can. Don't place your anger on me, I'm not the one allowing Miura/the episode directors to do all of this. Nor am I the one writing the AO material ~.~ Like I said earlier, just wait for the BDs. Nasu answered the TG and GH problems right? ~..~ |
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| Archer is shirou.Shirou thought that Shirou's ideals are wrong so shirou decided to kill shirou by going back to the past.But Shirou doesn't want to change Shirou's ideals.Shirou thinks that shirou is wrong so he decided to fight Shirou.But in the end Shirou realised what Shirou meant and decided to let Shirou win. |
SaberforlifeJun 1, 2015 9:54 AM
mira-nyan said: TheUnknownMerc said: I agree on AU, i DON'T agree with AU getting away with breaking mechanics. Actually, yeah, they did state the thing about the low prana. And I get the theory, but while the decisions of the characters can't change them, Nasu's can. Don't place your anger on me, I'm not the one allowing Miura/the episode directors to do all of this. Nor am I the one writing the AO material ~.~ Like I said earlier, just wait for the BDs. Nasu answered the TG and GH problems right? ~..~ Not anger on you, i just don't like breaking of established mechanics. If Nasu changes it in a decent way were i can go "yeah...well i guess." then fine, but atm it's purely for "ooo~~~ look at all the effort we put into UBW 3D Model~~ let's use it again~~~" |
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frenze12 said: clintonmadara said: Archer is shirou.Shirou thought that Shirou's ideals are wrong so shirou decided to kill shirou by going back to the past.But Shirou doesn't want to change Shirou's ideals.Shirou thinks that shirou is wrong so he decided to fight Shirou.But in the end Shirou realised what Shirou meant and decided to let him win. I know that i shouldn't but for some reason this just sounds stupidly funny... Lol ikr |
TheUnknownMerc said: mira-nyan said: Actually, yeah, they did state the thing about the low prana. And I get the theory, but while the decisions of the characters can't change them, Nasu's can. Don't place your anger on me, I'm not the one allowing Miura/the episode directors to do all of this. Nor am I the one writing the AO material ~.~ Like I said earlier, just wait for the BDs. Nasu answered the TG and GH problems right? ~..~ Not anger on you, i just don't like breaking of established mechanics. If Nasu changes it in a decent way were i can go "yeah...well i guess." then fine, but atm it's purely for "ooo~~~ look at all the effort we put into UBW 3D Model~~ let's use it again~~~" Would lol so hard if he doesn't have a legit reason apart from that. |
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