Z4k said: I never said I knew much about the sales in the anime industry? I said ''despite having a bigger drop, the sales are still higher''Comic_Sans said: I still don't see your point. DRRR!!x2 Shou's sales might had a bigger drop than Tokyo Phoul but so far it's still more popular than root A And manga/LN Novel sales ≠ Anime sales I don't think you understand how the sales in the anime industry work so don't try to educate me. Also mind explaining how Durarara benefits from being more popular than TG despite having shit sales? And I'll admit that it's true that the anime hasn't really given a decent boost to the source material. However, I don't think that matters. The light novels sold well for a long time, and I am perfectly fine with that And stop stalking me, this is becoming ridiculous |
 Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
| Sunrise raking in the big bucks unsurprisingly, but my pleasent surprise was kekkai sensen's op selling so well, its a phenomenal song, i already have the full song but im surprised the whole thing wasnt posted to youtube officially yet, so far all we have is this little snippit which is the same length as the opening Unyilkdr said: nips love them their gintamas6K gintama season 3(2009) in april 2015? how and why? rederoin said: A bones show possibly selling? What is this 2005? I did seriously expect kekkai to bomb cause of the heavily western feel so its nice to see theres a shimmer of hope*6.8k Kekkai Sensen |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
Comic_Sans said: I never said I knew much about the sales in the anime industry? I said ''despite having a bigger drop, the sales are still higher'' No you didn't. You said,"DRRR!!x2 Shou's sales might had a bigger drop than Tokyo Phoul but so far it's still more popular than root A" so don't try to skip my question. Tell me how Durarara benefits from being more popular than TG despite the terrible sales? Comic_Sans said: And stop stalking me, this is becoming ridiculous Not really. I just dislike people shitposting in threads such as this. |
Z4k said: I guess I'll have to spell it out for you since you refuse to don't seem to understand. When I said ''still more popular'' I meant ''still more popular'' as in ''still has higher sales''. Comic_Sans said: I never said I knew much about the sales in the anime industry? I said ''despite having a bigger drop, the sales are still higher'' No you didn't You said "DRRR!!x2 Shou's sales might had a bigger drop than Tokyo Phoul but so far it's still more popular than root A" so don't try to skip my question. Tell me how Durarara benefits from being more popular than TG despite the shit sales? Mod Edit: Removed baiting. |
TyrelApr 28, 2015 4:20 PM
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Hoppy said: Kaioshin_Sama said: That's a really really sleazy strategy that only the likes of Bandai and Aniplex could come up with together and reeks of their tendency towards DLC, though I guess with Idol fandom that's one of those times people aren't really going to complain about it. Anyway I find the situation with Idolm@ster in Japan kind of amusing because a lot of commentators are just in such full blown denial about certain things more than I've ever seen, like for example LL just being the more popular of the two idol franchises at this point in time no matter how you try to spin it. I mean first lets just get this out of the way, it's ultimately the same company making money at the end of the day regardless of what happens, but some IM@S fans animosity towards Love Live seems to be making them literally delusional. I've seen some comments go so far as trying to ridicule the new u's single for getting outsold by Bump of Chicken's new single (a really great song by a mainstream rock band IMO) and it's numbers not being where they were when singles were being promoted alongside and then turning around and celebrating the IM@S singles for being slightly above where the original anime's were with all the event tickets and what not packaged in that the original anime's releases never had (and Love Live certainly doesn't have nor apparently needs anymore) and claiming that IM@S has triumphed over u's even though the numbers are literally there for everyone to see. Again at the end of the day it hardly matters, it's all to the benefit of Bamco, but like wow that's some strong dedication to wanting to really wanting to see things a certain way. I mean it just doesn't get anymore clear cut than a single not tied in anyway to an anime with no event ticket or extras having a better first week than a single tied to a popular heavily promoted anime with an event ticket. If that's not convincing enough nothing ever will be really. Love Live got fed to the dogs recently, they had the nerve to pass off that bland amalgamation as a new Love Live installment. The original Love Live has charm, what I seen was bottom of the barrel blandness. I still think Sunrise did all they could with the series and it turned out far better than expected and they should retire it since they won't use the remaining original cast and 3 new replacements which would've been a better idea. If you're talking about that Love Live Sunshine thing (which would be weird since I never even brought it up once) than it's hard to say much as literally all that has been shown is a couple of key visuals and some brief character descriptions, which if I recall pretty much yielded the same reaction when Love Live was first announced as a potential sister series to Idolm@ster. The reaction was pretty much wondering how they expected a series that looked like that to become popular at all let alone stand beside Idolm@ster and now a couple years later it's arguably done so and maybe even surpassed it in popularity. Admittedly I wondered WTF at first because I'm so used to getting mecha series out of Sunrise but I eventually came around to kind of like Love Live and I don't normally like shows like that. In any case nothing I can do or say will sway people either way from prejudging whatever they feel like so if what I see is truly the case then this new project is pretty much DoA and Sunrise are just wasting their times as nothing can help it. It wouldn't be the first time they've come out with something that is just pretty much dead and doomed to being lambasted or ignored before it even airs it's first episode though just because people freak out at the very first key visual (Gundam AGE comes to mind, Gundam Build Fighters managed to overcome it though against all odds). Personally I don't really find it fair let alone reasonable but again there's absolutely nothing anyone can say or do about it when people make up their minds at the character design phase and if that's the case than it just goes to show you what I've been saying lately about how absolutely crucially important it is to make the right kind of impression with the right kind of character design ASAP and why character design is such a crucially important position in today's anime environment arguably surpassing director/writer since they are the first person able to make an impression with a new show and with wanton prejudice just basically perfectly okay and justified in the eyes of fans now that can sink a project outright or give it a huge publicity boost depending on that crucial first key visual. Failing to deliver a satisfactory key visual can potentially outright doom your product nowadays, it's finally come to this. Anyway I wonder if Cinderella Girls faced the same kind of DoA attitude when it was first being unveiled and people were saying it harbored the doom of the franchise the second early character designs broke or if it got the green light from fans right away or at least a chance to actually get off the ground. Again I just completely fail to understand the way this approach nowadays. Like how can people decide so emphatically, with such absolute certainty and so early into the promotional phase of an anime that it's utterly hopeless as if it's just aired it's climactic episode as opposed to unveiled like 2-3 pieces of key art for the first time. I noticed you used the past tense had instead of have as if to indicate that all is already said and done. That goes for anything really, not just this. Well whatever, I can't help but feel I'm just wasting my time here going over this point, it just doesn't make sense to me. NotJizzyHitler said: Sunrise raking in the big bucks unsurprisingly, but my pleasent surprise was kekkai sensen's op selling so well, its a phenomenal song, i already have the full song but im surprised the whole thing wasnt posted to youtube officially yet, so far all we have is this little snippit which is the same length as the opening Unyilkdr said: nips love them their gintamas6K gintama season 3(2009) in april 2015? how and why? rederoin said: A bones show possibly selling? What is this 2005? I did seriously expect kekkai to bomb cause of the heavily western feel so its nice to see theres a shimmer of hope*6.8k Kekkai Sensen Bump of Chicken is a pretty mainstream popular band in Japan so it's not terribly surprising really. Kekkai Sensen having the potential to sell decently even if it is with an event ticket however is. The prospects of this season kind of interest me and are sort of another factor that got me to comment because for the first time in a while there's almost a sense that TV anime that doesn't just revolve around exploiting moe or fujoshi sensibilities have a legitimate chance to garner more than just good TV ratings and maybe a manga boost. Whether it'll actually happen remains to be scene but damn it feels like it's been a while. I'm not suggesting that I want or expect something like Kekkai Sensen to become a blockbuster, but just something that registers somewhere towards the upper middle of the charts would be an incredibly pleasant surprise since shows like that have just been getting absolutely killed on the Blu-Ray front for what feels like ages nows to the point where I legitimately fear that if it keeps up much longer studio producers are just going to be forced to come to the logical conclusion that it almost feels like the vast majority of the industry has that attempting to run any sort of show without placing heavy emphasis on moe and fujoshi tropes is just throwing good money after bad no matter how creative you are with the visuals and storytelling and that that would officially spell the end of shows like Kekkai Sensen or at best make them even scarcer nowadays than they already are. |
PeacingOutApr 28, 2015 6:10 PM
Kaioshin_Sama said: That's a really really sleazy strategy that only the likes of Bandai and Aniplex could come up with together and reeks of their tendency towards DLC, though I guess with Idol fandom that's one of those times people aren't really going to complain about it. Anyway I find the situation with Idolm@ster in Japan kind of amusing because a lot of commentators are just in such full blown denial about certain things more than I've ever seen, like for example LL just being the more popular of the two idol franchises at this point in time no matter how you try to spin it. I mean first lets just get this out of the way, it's ultimately the same company making money at the end of the day regardless of what happens, but some IM@S fans animosity towards Love Live seems to be making them literally delusional. I've seen some comments go so far as trying to ridicule the new u's single for getting outsold by Bump of Chicken's new single (a really great song by a mainstream rock band IMO) and it's numbers not being where they were when singles were being promoted alongside and then turning around and celebrating the IM@S singles for being slightly above where the original anime's were with all the event tickets and what not packaged in that the original anime's releases never had (and Love Live certainly doesn't have nor apparently needs anymore) and claiming that IM@S has triumphed over u's even though the numbers are literally there for everyone to see. Again at the end of the day it hardly matters, it's all to the benefit of Bamco, but like wow that's some strong dedication to wanting to really wanting to see things a certain way. I mean it just doesn't get anymore clear cut than a single not tied in anyway to an anime with no event ticket or extras having a better first week than a single tied to a popular heavily promoted anime with an event ticket. If that's not convincing enough nothing ever will be really. You just have to compare the CD sales, anime sales, mobile game sales, etc, to see which franchise is bigger tbh. I see some Idolmaster fans dismissing LL on 2ch, but i'm sure this LL single not associated with the anime and had no bonuses bundled beating a single which was used as one of the EDs of the Cinderella Girls anime and had an event ticket bundled would have shut up those naysayers. The 2nd season anime sales (even excluding the event tickets on Vol.1 and 7) are still minimum 50K average for every single volume, which is saying something. Idolmaster could never achieve such a thing unless they bundle double event tickets on every standalone and the G4U bundle. We can compare the money μ's made in the last 2 years, ￥690,100,000 in 2013 (when the first season just aired), and then ￥2,183,100,000 in 2014 (when the second season aired and the mobile game was over a year old in April 2014). These are just mind boggling numbers, when Houkago Tea Time (K-ON!) could only manage ￥1,588,000,000 in 2010. I know K-ON! made a lot in merchandise sales, but I have yet to see just how much LL has made in merchandise since those figures I gave only included CD and the concert disc sales. None of the anime sales were included. Then we can compare the mobile games, where the LL mobile game makes a hell of a lot more money based on the Android and iOS rankings: http://www.gpara.com/rankings/native/ios/66/14860 For LL (monthly average rankings): For Cinderella Girls (monthly average rankings): Summary of iPhone/iPad/Android rankings for LL mobile game: http://www.gpara.com/rankings/detail/15379 Summary of iPhone/iPad/Android rankings for the Cinderella Girls mobile game: http://www.gpara.com/rankings/detail/77 Klab Games' financial position improved in 2014 (which was -1.7093 billion yen net profit in 2013 vs 2.5063 billion yen net profit in 2014). Klab Games cited their huge financial turnaround mainly on the LL mobile game and the 2 LL anime seasons having a big influence on sales: http://gamebiz.jp/?p=140070 Mobile application satisfaction rankings from Oricon also points to the dominance the LL mobile game has over the Idolmaster mobile game. Here are its rankings in Spring and Winter 2015. The impressive thing I see is that the LL mobile game is the most popular amongst males AND females, which shows it has universal appeal across both genders (contrary to popular belief in the Western community), and is the most popular amongst the teenage/20s age group. http://life.oricon.co.jp/rank-game-appli/2015spring/ http://life.oricon.co.jp/rank-game-appli/2015winter/ You can see some of the comments given by players in the other links there. Spring has many from females in the 20s age group, while Winter had a few from the teenage, 30s and 40s age group. http://life.oricon.co.jp/rank-game-appli/2015spring/company/GID00000141/ http://life.oricon.co.jp/rank-game-appli/2015winter/company/GID00000141/ |
EjcApr 28, 2015 6:14 PM
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Ejc said: You just have to compare the CD sales, anime sales, mobile game sales, etc, to see which franchise is bigger tbh. I see some Idolmaster fans dismissing LL on 2ch, but i'm sure this LL single not associated with the anime and had no bonuses bundled beating a single which was used as one of the EDs of the Cinderella Girls anime and had an event ticket bundled would have shut up those naysayers. The anime sales (even excluding the event tickets on Vol.1 and 7) are still minimum 50K average for every single volume, which is saying something. Idolmaster could never achieve such a thing unless they bundle double event tickets on every standalone and the G4U bundle. We can compare the money μ's made in the last 2 years, ￥690,100,000 in 2013 (when the first season just aired), and then ￥2,183,100,000 in 2014 (when the second season aired and the mobile game was over a year old in April 2014). These are just mind boggling numbers, when Houkago Tea Time (K-ON!) could only manage ￥1,588,000,000 in 2010. I know K-ON! made a lot in merchandise sales, but I have yet to see just how much LL has made in merchandise since those figures I gave only included CD and the concert disc sales. None of the anime sales were included. Then we can compare the mobile games, where the LL mobile game makes a hell of a lot more money based on the Android and iOS rankings: http://www.gpara.com/rankings/native/ios/66/14860 For LL (monthly average rankings): iPhone (free): 48.9 iPhone (sales): 9.9 iPad (free): 34.7 iPad (sales): 3.0 Android (free): 70.3 Android (sales): 13.0 For Cinderella Girls (monthly average rankings): iPhone (free): 139.0 iPhone (sales): 58.3 iPad (sales): 90.2 Android (free): 228.7 Android (sales): 49.2 Summary of iPhone/iPad/Android rankings for LL mobile game: http://www.gpara.com/rankings/detail/15379 Summary of iPhone/iPad/Android rankings for the Cinderella Girls mobile game: http://www.gpara.com/rankings/detail/77 Klab Games' financial position improved in 2014 (which was -1.7093 billion yen net profit in 2013 vs 2.5063 billion yen net profit in 2014). Klab Games cited their huge financial turnaround mainly on the LL mobile game and the 2 LL anime seasons having a big influence on sales: http://gamebiz.jp/?p=140070 Mobile application satisfaction rankings from Oricon also points to the dominance the LL mobile game has over the Idolmaster mobile games. Here are its rankings in Spring and Winter 2015. The impressive thing I see is that the LL mobile game is the most popular amongst males AND females, which shows it has universal appeal across both genders (contrary to popular belief in the Western community), and is very popular amongst the teenage/20s age group. http://life.oricon.co.jp/rank-game-appli/2015spring/ http://life.oricon.co.jp/rank-game-appli/2015winter/ You can see some of the comments given by players in the other links there. Spring has many from females in the 20s age group, while Winter had a few from the teenage age group. http://life.oricon.co.jp/rank-game-appli/2015spring/company/GID00000141/ http://life.oricon.co.jp/rank-game-appli/2015winter/company/GID00000141/ Oh believe me I definitely agree without any particular sort of bias here that the statistics very clearly tell the story, but you're talking about passionate fanbases here that have dedicated a lot of time and money to these franchises and have a tendency to just believe what they want to believe regardless of cold hard logic and statistics. If anything I see such 2ch types doubling down more than anything when even a simple statement like, "while this may be more popular overall I still prefer this franchise" ought to be all that suffices. Not so in this day and age of divisive pettiness where such a statement might as well be tantamount to admitting some sort of defeat which is what I think this is all about in the long run really. Saving face is important in Japan after all and I wouldn't be surprised if it applies to being a devoted fan of an idol franchise just as much as it does to office life. I mean we're already talking about fiercely competitive and vitrolic hatred between fans of franchises that are owned by the same company at the end of the day and where no matter which you chose to support you're still giving money and adulation to the same bank account at the end of the day. If that isn't already illogical enough than I say the skies the limit on how far people can take these Idol Wars. |
Unyilkdr said: 6K gintama season 3(2009) in april 2015? how and why? It was announced last summer that Gintama Blu-Ray Sets were planned to release the first 201 episodes in four sets, bimonthly starting in December at 35,000 yen (plus tax) each. |
| dang. look at those shirobako sales o-o do i see a season 2 in the near future? Hibiki Ganaha CD sales o.o |
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rederoin said: The spring estimates, by the way. 25.5k Uta no prince-sama S3 10.9k Yahari S2 *8.2k Grisaia *6.8k Kekkai Sensen *6.8k High School DxD *5.7k DanMachi *5.7k Seraph of the end. *5.7k Gintama(new series, S?) *4.8k Arslan Senki *4.0k Kiniro Mosaic S2 *3.8k Nisekoi S2 *3.2k Yuki-chan *3.1k Tesagure! S3 *2.8k Show By Rock *2.3k Hibike! Euphonium *2.1k Triage X Below 2k Gunslinger Stratos. Re-kan Houkago no Pleiades Ninja Slayer Mikagura Gakuen My Love Story Plastic Memories. Rinne Punchline Yamadakun to Nananin I am so Happy For Kekkai Sensen being that high...i really thought it would be below 2k cause shows like it u do not see it at the top anymore...Which is good also for studio bones, which has been really having lackluster sales these past few years, with the last good seller they had was Noragami and even than it was only 4.3k average. which is one the reasons why they were pushed to make season 2 for it,,despite never having a second season made for any any of their shows before that were based on a manga...That studio really needs a good new seller otherwise i am afraid they might go under. Also Very happy with DanMachi and Owari Pre estiamtes....it looks like they would have a solid streak too. I am bit surprised by the drop of DXD don't get me wrong those are still good sales but they are lower than the first and second season sales which were both around 9k each..... hope it would rise up further. The only series i am upset with is Ore Monogatari why is it below 2k? it should be higher.....As a matter of fact why are all these recent Madhouse Titles being sold so poorly? when they are just so great? i will never understand :( Also i am happy with the consistent Sales of both Amagi and Cross Ange...those 2 were really good shows, Cross Ange Especially a really misunderstood show :) |
thepath said: I'm surprised that mediocre OP like Kekkai Sensen sold that much Mahouka continue to sell well. I hope it get 2nd season, and also for Senran Kagura BUMP OF CHICKEN is popular it has nothing to do with Kekkai Sensen. And if you don't like them keep it to yourself. |
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NotJizzyHitler said: Sunrise raking in the big bucks unsurprisingly, but my pleasent surprise was kekkai sensen's op selling so well, its a phenomenal song, i already have the full song but im surprised the whole thing wasnt posted to youtube officially yet, so far all we have is this little snippit which is the same length as the opening Unyilkdr said: nips love them their gintamas6K gintama season 3(2009) in april 2015? how and why? rederoin said: A bones show possibly selling? What is this 2005? I did seriously expect kekkai to bomb cause of the heavily western feel so its nice to see theres a shimmer of hope*6.8k Kekkai Sensen Darker then Black.jpg |
CashMoney said: Are those JoJo sales good enough for a sequel? I really want to see part 4 animated ;--; They should be, 10K+ average is a really good amount. |
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-ShadowClaw- said: The only series i am upset with is Ore Monogatari why is it below 2k? it should be higher.....As a matter of fact why are all these recent Madhouse Titles being sold so poorly? when they are just so great? i will never understand :( Because madhouse. But hey, maybe they'll finally get good sales when One Punch Man will be out. |
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| Idolmaster CG G4U sales: 24,341 + 13,500 BD/DVD= 37,841 for Volume1. Better than I hoped. |
DatRandomDude said: Ore monogatari would've sold the same amount even if it had a different studio. It's shoujo so it was doomed to not sell anything from the day one.-ShadowClaw- said: The only series i am upset with is Ore Monogatari why is it below 2k? it should be higher.....As a matter of fact why are all these recent Madhouse Titles being sold so poorly? when they are just so great? i will never understand :( Because madhouse. But hey, maybe they'll finally get good sales when One Punch Man will be out. |
Kuruba said: Idolmaster CG G4U sales: 24,341 + 13,500 BD/DVD= 37,841 for Volume1. Better than I hoped. Japan is absolutely losing it's mind over this. It's pretty hilarious. Never seen people so excited to see the idol equivalent of bloated Pokemon Snap package sell 25K. Like this was apparently really important to a lot of people. There's an epic amount of taunting going on toward the Kancolle fanbase (which is funny because I'm pretty sure they didn't like the anime anyway) and amusingly towards the Love Live fanbase because it did a little better than the first season (which of course is the one they're comparing it too because spin I guess) which if I recall never had two event tickets and came with a game, but whatever makes people happy I guess. Never mind it should be the second season that's the comparison, but considering that would result in it being compared to a much higher number..... I've seen some people take sales numbers really personal before but Cinderella Girls really has to take the absolute cake as far as Japan goes. Never seen anything like it. |
PeacingOutApr 29, 2015 10:02 AM
rederoin said: The spring estimates, by the way. 25.5k Uta no prince-sama S3 10.9k Yahari S2 *8.2k Grisaia *6.8k Kekkai Sensen *6.8k High School DxD *5.7k DanMachi *5.7k Seraph of the end. *5.7k Gintama(new series, S?) *4.8k Arslan Senki *4.0k Kiniro Mosaic S2 *3.8k Nisekoi S2 *3.2k Yuki-chan *3.1k Tesagure! S3 *2.8k Show By Rock *2.3k Hibike! Euphonium *2.1k Triage X Below 2k Gunslinger Stratos. Re-kan Houkago no Pleiades Ninja Slayer Mikagura Gakuen My Love Story Plastic Memories. Rinne Punchline Yamadakun to Nananin Sad about My Love Story, but not surprised in the least. Also nice to see Arslan up there my favorite anime of the season I was expecting it to be below 2k as well. But I'm so happy with how well Missing Kings sold I loved that movie and it got me pumped up for the TV sequel in Fall my most anticipated anime of 2015 |
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Kaioshin_Sama said: Kuruba said: Idolmaster CG G4U sales: 24,341 + 13,500 BD/DVD= 37,841 for Volume1. Better than I hoped. Japan is absolutely losing it's mind over this. It's pretty hilarious. Never seen people so excited to see the idol equivalent of bloated Pokemon Snap package sell 25K. Like this was apparently really important to a lot of people. There's an epic amount of taunting going on toward the Kancolle fanbase (which is funny because I'm pretty sure they didn't like the anime anyway) and amusingly towards the Love Live fanbase because it did a little better than the first season (which of course is the one they're comparing it too because spin I guess) which if I recall never had two event tickets and came with a game, but whatever makes people happy I guess. Never mind it should be the second season that's the comparison, but considering that would result in it being compared to a much higher number..... I've seen some people take sales numbers really personal before but Cinderella Girls really has to take the absolute cake as far as Japan goes. Never seen anything like it. Just means the KanColle PS Vita game, which is a lot more important to the fans than the terrible anime adaptation (fans didn't even want a sequel for it, and would rather have different staff if they insist on continuing with this trainwreck), is going to sell a ton since it is so far above the Cinderella Girls G4U games on the 2015 Amazon Bestselling Games (hint, the G4U game is at #99, while 2/5 of the KanColle PS Vita games are at #57 and #58). It is also selling well at other online retailers too, so it isn't only restricted to Amazon. The only thing the anime was useful for, was to bring in more players to the online browser game and to consider buying the PS Vita game over the anime. I sure hope they are not comparing it to the first anime season... Cinderella Girls probably already has some of the original Idolmaster fanbase, so it is only fair to compare it to the second anime season of LL. Not that Cinderella Girls is going to sell anywhere near 64.5K average (or 52~53K average if you ignore the Vol.1 and Vol.7 event ticket volumes from the calculation). The LL first season only had an event ticket on Vol.7, but the concert was held at a smaller capacity of 17K seats compared to the 30~37K of now. The fanbase was a lot smaller, as the mobile game only started in April 2013 and the anime aired from January to March 2013. The mobile serial codes would have not accounted for much anyway. It is not comparable to the G4U game, since the serial codes are basically for collectors only (it doesn't offer significant benefit in game). Sure, if LL took the same route as what Idolmaster did, and bundle the PS Vita games on a separate BD and also added a 2nd event ticket, then we sure wouldn't be looking at such a lowish 82K+ 1st week for Vol.1 (and 116.9K+ cumulative for Vol.1)... |
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Ejc said: Kaioshin_Sama said: Japan is absolutely losing it's mind over this. It's pretty hilarious. Never seen people so excited to see the idol equivalent of bloated Pokemon Snap package sell 25K. Like this was apparently really important to a lot of people. There's an epic amount of taunting going on toward the Kancolle fanbase (which is funny because I'm pretty sure they didn't like the anime anyway) and amusingly towards the Love Live fanbase because it did a little better than the first season (which of course is the one they're comparing it too because spin I guess) which if I recall never had two event tickets and came with a game, but whatever makes people happy I guess. Never mind it should be the second season that's the comparison, but considering that would result in it being compared to a much higher number..... I've seen some people take sales numbers really personal before but Cinderella Girls really has to take the absolute cake as far as Japan goes. Never seen anything like it. Just means the KanColle PS Vita game, which is a lot more important to the fans than the terrible anime adaptation (fans didn't even want a sequel for it, and would rather have different staff if they insist on continuing with this trainwreck), is going to sell a ton since it is so far above the Cinderella Girls G4U games on the 2015 Amazon Bestselling Games (hint, the G4U game is at #99, while 2/5 of the KanColle PS Vita games are at #57 and #58). It is also selling well at other online retailers too, so it isn't only restricted to Amazon. The only thing the anime was useful for, was to bring in more players to the online browser game and to consider buying the PS Vita game over the anime. I sure hope they are not comparing it to the first anime season... Cinderella Girls probably already has some of the original Idolmaster fanbase, so it is only fair to compare it to the second anime season of LL. Not that Cinderella Girls is going to sell anywhere near 64.5K average (or 52~53K average if you ignore the Vol.1 and Vol.7 event ticket volumes from the calculation). The LL first season only had an event ticket on Vol.7, but the concert was held at a smaller capacity of 17K seats compared to the 30~37K of now. The fanbase was a lot smaller, as the mobile game only started in April 2013 and the anime aired from January to March 2013. The mobile serial codes would have not accounted for much anyway. It is not comparable to the G4U game, since the serial codes are basically for collectors only (it doesn't offer significant benefit in game). Sure, if LL took the same route as what Idolmaster did, and bundle the PS Vita games on a separate BD and also added a 2nd event ticket, then we sure wouldn't be looking at such a lowish 82K+ 1st week for Vol.1 (and 116.9K+ cumulative for Vol.1)... No they are comparing it to the first season almost certainly because they need to be able to spin it so that the numbers look better which I don't get cause they're already pretty good. I don't see the point in comparing the very first volume of a show in it's inaugural season and public exposure with no event ticket and just a single BD version with an adaptation of a popular franchise in it's second iteration that has had a decade to build up it's fanbase, that has two event tickets, 2 BD versions, 2 DVD versions and 2 Game tie-in versions and did like maybe 5,000 units better once all of those factors are added in despite having every advantage in the world, but I can realize that's it's just fans looking for any which way to spin it into some sort of historic triumph (at least in their eyes) for their favorite franchise. They take this sales stuff VERY seriously over there after all, especially this time around where there was an extremely bitter and petty feud between the Kancolle and CG fandoms as to which would end up having the higher selling first volume. Yeah though I couldn't believe that they did that either. It's like wow if you have to go to that level to make the claim that CG is a bigger disc seller than Love Live atm than I don't even know what to say. It's not even a matter of having a favorite, it's just plain fact. Plus if people are going to go that route than they might as well just acknowledge Macross Frontier Itsuwa no Utahime as the best selling Late Night TV to anime movie over Madoka Rebellion since it sold like 230,000 units with the Last Frontier game tie in. This is in fact something that the more rational posters over there did in fact point out. Hell at this rate I wouldn't have been surprised if had it done a little lower the the first volume of Love Live Season 1 before it really started to take off (which if you go by Famitsu numbers it did) that people would have just compared it to whatever the lowest selling Love Live volume was and gone "Deremasu>LL Great Victory wwwwwwwwww" cause it clearly means that much to them. If anything it just makes the fanbase look rather insecure and I would have to hope it's just a small handful of people cause otherwise yikes. edit: Anyway a more logical poster did make this post which I've tried to translate: Love Live Phase 2 Volume 1's first week sales ¥ 4,860 × 82,119 units = ¥ 399,098,340 Deremasu Vol 1 DVD ¥ 6,264 × 1,723 units = ¥ 10,792,872 BD ¥ 7,344 × 11,807 units = ¥ 86,710,608 G4U ¥ 9,698 × 24,341 units = ¥ 236,059,018 combined ¥ 333,562,498 Can't argue with that and I noticed nobody tried to really, they just kept going on repeating the same old "29,194 Love Live! 37,871 Idolmaster Cinderella Girls Park live defeat" to which some posters countered with repetitions of "Mass pig can not be recognized the magnitude of the numbers ponds 29,194 Love Live! 28,485 Idol Master 82,119 Love Live! 2nd Season 37,871 Idolmaster Cinderella Girls" I think if there's any logic to be had in it at all that they think that they need to compare the first season of Love Live to the first half of CG, but the thing is CG isn't a genuine 2 season show, it's a split cour because of scheduling conflicts so not the same thing. As some tried to point out the more logical comparison would be Idolmaster 2011 to Love Live Season 1, but even then the comparison isn't really fair cause you're talking about a franchise with a massive pre installed fanbase virtually guaranteed a measure of success and a show that at the time producers wasn't even sure was going to be a success that one it's fanbase in a year while the others had had it's for a decade. I don't know, not worth thinking about this hard probably. Fans say crazy things and make ridiculous comparisons, news at 11. ichii_1 said: OM MY GOD CROSS ANGE SEASON 2 IS POSSIBLE!!! I remember Sunrise doing a company expansion or something to allow for more projects :O http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1378569 Errr no. They underwent a corporate restructuring and rebranding where their daytime kids brands are being produced under the label Bandai Namco Pictures, but Sunrise has always been a massive anime studio if not the biggest in Japan. If anything with Nerima Studios closing down they've actually downsized a little bit recently. And then there were 12 basically. Yeah they have 12 sub studios each with their own dedicated producers. Like I said.....big. |
PeacingOutApr 29, 2015 7:51 PM
| @Kaioshin_Sama I remember reading one Idolmaster fan saying that the total 1st week sales of the most recent batch of 5 Cinderella Master CDs in February (which were 700 yen each), beat the 1st week sales of BiBi (which was 1296 yen). The problem is that it is flawed, because it is most likely the average number for the CDs is the actual number of people who bought all the singles. Doing a comparison here with the 1st weeks... 5x700 yen = 3,500 yen @ 13,327.2 average = 46,645,200 yen 3x1296 yen = 3,888 yen @ 45,647.3 average (includes lily white and Printemps too) = 177,476,702 yen Clearly they were not using logic and just like to see a higher number for its total sales. 17K*5 = 85K > 58,280 by BiBi (This is what I saw, since they were also overestimating how much they would actually sell before we knew its actual sale). |
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Ejc said: @Kaioshin_Sama I remember reading one Idolmaster fan saying that the total 1st week sales of the most recent batch of 5 Cinderella Master CDs in February (which were 700 yen each), beat the 1st week sales of BiBi (which was 1296 yen). The problem is that it is flawed, because it is most likely the average number for the CDs is the actual number of people who bought all the singles. Doing a comparison here with the 1st weeks... 5x700 yen = 3,500 yen @ 13,327.2 average = 46,645,200 yen 3x1296 yen = 3,888 yen @ 45,647.3 average (includes lily white and Printemps too) = 177,476,702 yen Clearly they were not using logic and just like to see a higher number for its total sales. 17K*5 = 85K > 58,280 by BiBi (This is what I saw, since they were also overestimating how much they would actually sell before we knew its actual sale). So hold on wait, you're saying that 5 CD's combined managed to the total sales of one CD single? That makes even less logical sense than the thing about the anime? If you have to be adding up all these different thing to achieve some lump sum that is greater than one single entity than that's not really any sort of achievement. Comparisons should only be made straight up. Averages to averages, first volumes to first volumes of equivalent seasons, CD single to CD single (they're called singles for a reason), album to album etc. The only Cinderella Girls CD I'm aware of that comes even close to approaching what you usually see out of a Love Live CD was the one that included the OP and ED and an event ticket for a promotion that happened like 2 days after the CD went on sale and even then it's not making Gold any time like that ticketless BiBi CD you mentioned. I don't know why they don't just admit that Love Live is more popular right now, but that IM@S is still obviously pretty popular too. Like every reasonable head to head comparison you make aside from video games (the Love Live PS Vita game actually did sell less than the recent iDOLM@STER Shiny Festa though I also hear that Love Live game was really bad, had poor graphics for a Vita title and was unacceptably lacking in content so that's hardly surprising) it just comes up short even with what has to be record setting numbers of event tickets (I've never heard of CD's that contain event tickets before but 2 of the Cinderella Girls ones have had them with the one that just recently went on sale being the second) and special packaging like game tie-ins which I've also only seen one anime ever do before in Macross Frontier, also courtest of Bandai Namco. Really I've never seen any anime adaptation period that uses more incentives and extras courtesy its original creator (Bamco is either really dedicated to the product or really desperate to prop it up) to boost it's number than The iDOLM@STER franchise where in the most extreme example the release for the movie was so bloated with extra stuff that the box ended up weighing something like 7 lbs. It's almost unfit for comparison to most anime in general as a result of the package deals it uses. |
PeacingOutApr 29, 2015 9:35 PM
mayukachan said: Kancolle sales are going high. Does this mean Touken Ranbu can get an adaptation too? ;A; I can see it happening, maybe. I'm sure a lot of fans would like to see jiji get animated (as well as others of course). MAGiC_DREAMBOX said: *2. 150,417 150,417 Kekkai Sensen OP "Hello,world!" by Bump of Chicken (incl. in "Hello,world! / Colony") Whoa that is a lot more than I would have expected, didn't know they were that popular. thought the song was pretty forgettable personally. They are very popular. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bump_of_Chicken#Discography Pretty much ALL of their singles since 2001 have charted in the top 3 for the weekly Oricon, not to mention, their albums as well. But anyways, great job Bump of Chicken, though it's to be expected. Not only anime fans are buying the single. It's been on replay for the last week, I can't stop listening to it. I really like Colony too, it's a really nice and kind of relaxing ballad. |
tingy said: mayukachan said: Kancolle sales are going high. Does this mean Touken Ranbu can get an adaptation too? ;A; I can see it happening, maybe. I'm sure a lot of fans would like to see jiji get animated (as well as others of course). MAGiC_DREAMBOX said: Whoa that is a lot more than I would have expected, didn't know they were that popular. thought the song was pretty forgettable personally. They are very popular. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bump_of_Chicken#Discography Pretty much ALL of their singles since 2001 have charted in the top 3 for the weekly Oricon, not to mention, their albums as well. But anyways, great job Bump of Chicken, though it's to be expected. Not only anime fans are buying the single. It's been on replay for the last week, I can't stop listening to it. I really like Colony too, it's a really nice and kind of relaxing ballad. It would have required minimal advertisement, or the song to be really bad to sell anything less than what was expected, with them being such a mainstream artist. Nearly all their recent singles sold close to 100K. 【BUMP OF CHICKEN】 友達の唄 ゼロ ｸﾞｯﾄﾞﾗｯｸ firefly Hello ―――――――――――――――――――――――――― 月 ***,*** ***,*** ***,*** ***,*** ***,*** 火 *27,734 *69,167 *61,549 *29,774 *78,558 水 *20,823 *33,661 *35,708 *19,491 *23,490 木 *10,322 *19,537 *16,218 **8,987 *20,472 金 **8,226 *14,414 *11,350 **8,618 **9,849 土 **7,674 *12,201 *10,423 **6,006 **9,074 日 **6,065 *10,016 **9,243 **4,741 **7,894 ―――――――――――――――――――――――――― 計 *80,844 158,996 144,491 *77,617 149,337 週 *82,043 163,381 148,753 *78,936 150,717 累 121,102 257,006 195,714 108,296 150,717 |
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Otabana said: Kuruba said: Idolmaster CG G4U sales: 24,341 + 13,500 BD/DVD= 37,841 for Volume1. Better than I hoped. Great news. Best-selling volume this year. Awesome. Ummm.....Gundam The Origin? It is in this very article. |
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| I never got the impression of any bad blood between iDOLM@STER and Love Live! fans. Seriously. How did this end up taking most of the thread? |
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scytheavatar said: Honestly, after the sheer amount of hate Diomedea received from the otakus over the Kancolle anime I am not sure if anyone will be willing to do more Kancolle stuff in the future. And the sales numbers are probably a disappointment considering how big Kancolle is. Oh I wasn't aware of that since I never followed Kancolle nor about its reception by the fans, so I just judged by the sales alone. Maybe they can learn from Kancolle. Then again, I don't really care whether or not Touken Ranbu gets an adaptation, just wondering if it might happen :P |
Bibi_Punk said: I never got the impression of any bad blood between iDOLM@STER and Love Live! fans. Seriously. How did this end up taking most of the thread? Some people take things a little too seriously is all. In this case it was more something like a feud between Kantai Collection and Idolmaster fans on 2ch over which series would sell better with the odd comparison to Love Live on the side. Most of the aggression seemed to be coming overwhelmingly from the Idolmaster side of things for some reason though whereas Kantai Collection fans as is well known by now didn't really like the anime much (it's kind of like the Kagerou Project situation where you had a massive fanbase and dud of an anime) so you probably just don't see as many people caring. As for Love Live, again I just don't really see the same kind of aggression coming from them and they largely just don't seem to care and possibly aren't even away of all the pretty much constant taunting and bitterness because they're too absorbed in their hobby. Just really really silly stuff, but I'm not just making it up. It's more a Japan thing than anything else really as I just don't think Western fans are that passionate about either of these franchises either way and in numbers enough to matter or make for the same kind of effect in Western communities. rederoin said: Bibi_Punk said: I never got the impression of any bad blood between iDOLM@STER and Love Live! fans. Seriously. How did this end up taking most of the thread? Its mostly just K_S who is up to his usual antics. Sorry but no actually. If you want to just bitterly hate me and think everything I say is a lie than fine, but I'm not just making shit up here. http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-31679.html This is just a small sample of it in the comments section of this blog and that's not even 2ch where there have been threads upon threads of this stuff. Every so often you hear news of fans of one or the other trying to start fights at concerts too. Anyway next time at least bloody well look first before just deciding I'm making shit up as a result of "antics". edit: Okay looking at the comments today looks like some of the Love Live fans are starting to punch back with some stuff, but that just goes to show you all the more that it's legit feuding in general. |
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MMMacross said: scytheavatar said: Honestly, after the sheer amount of hate Diomedea received from the otakus over the Kancolle anime I am not sure if anyone will be willing to do more Kancolle stuff in the future. And the sales numbers are probably a disappointment considering how big Kancolle is. But a sequel has already been announced, and that was before the start of sales. Probably the decision was made based on the "potential" sales. Potential sales precisely. People were predicting 30~50K average for KanColle well before the anime aired but rightfully cited the teitoku (admiral) as the major weak spot for sales. Depending on how Diomedea portrayed the teitoku (even if we never even saw him), will determine just how high the anime sold, and i'm sure everyone has seen what happened. This is why the game and light novel fans are so displeased with the anime, and do not want a sequel unless the staff changes to a more competent one. EDIT: I did not mention what was so bad about the portrayal of the teitoku, but episode 3 is one of the major turn offs for fans, and its ranking at Amazon never really recovered after that... Episode 2 was obviously geared towards the fans of the franchise, but then it went AWOL from episode 3 onwards. |
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Bibi_Punk said: I never got the impression of any bad blood between iDOLM@STER and Love Live! fans. Seriously. How did this end up taking most of the thread? "If you like LL then you must hate im@s, vv." Sadly, it's a hit in some part of internet community and apparently a trend here in Indonesia. They might confuse dem franchise with soccer clubs. Don't mind their brains, they don't have any. |
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