| Hey you! Yea, you, you cocky little shit. Before you try your hand at this shamelessly click-bait logic problem, be sure to internalize these next few statements: This puzzle is not meant to trick you. The solution is perfectly logical, and won’t depend on some trickily worded aspect of the write-up. There’s no loopholes or rule-breaking or secret communication involved in the solution either. Without further ado, the puzzle: Shinsen Academy is an extremely prestigious all-girl elementary school that accepts only the best and brightest lolis. So selective is it that only 100 lolis are enrolled. In fact, these lolis are all flawless logicians; they instantaneously deduce anything that can be logically concluded from a situation, and they all know this fact about each other. They are also cute, pure, and better than your waifu. Anyway, as part of their rigorous education, these lolis travel early one morning to the school’s remote training facility to undergo a logical examination. Upon entry, each loli gets a stamp on her forehead that is either pink or red. The lolis cannot see the color of the stamp they receive, and are instructed not to speak or otherwise communicate with each other for the duration of the exercise. They are also not allowed to attempt to see their stamp's color in any way (e.g. mirrors, rubbing the ink onto the finger to look at it, etc.) They must figure out the color of their stamp using logic alone. Every night at midnight, the student council president stops by. Any lolis who have deduced their stamp color get to leave the facility, and the others stay. If they are wrong, they receive a punishment so brutally lewd that it shall not be mentioned here. The lolis know of this and, suffice to say, will not try to leave unless they are absolutely sure of their answer. All lolis can see each other at all times and perfectly keep count of how many lolis they see with each stamp color (besides themselves). Being sweet, submissive, and obedient little lolis, they all comply perfectly with these rules stated above. It turns out that 50 lolis get pink stamps and 50 get red stamps, but the lolis are not given this information. All information they know about the distribution of stamp colors comes strictly from their observation. So, any given pink-stamped loli can see 50 red-stamped lolis and 49 pink-stamped lolis around her. These lolis, however, are smart enough to know that this doesn’t necessarily mean their own stamp is pink; for all they know, the totals might be 51 red and 49 pink. Or 50 red, 49 pink, and she might have a blue stamp. The school is committed to its lolis’ development, and so the exercise will continue as long as necessary. But do not worry; their needs are all provided for and they are treated with gentle care and tenderness, as every loli deserves. (Even so, you should assume that the lolis will be trying to leave as soon as possible). After every loli has received her stamp and just as the exercise is about to begin, the bitchy student council president gives the lolis just one seemingly useless piece of advice: "I see a pink-stamped loli." Which lolis will get to leave the facility, and on which (1st, 2nd, etc.) night? |
okagesamaApr 23, 2015 5:16 PM
| A few final notes: - Lateral/creative thinking will not be enough. You should put yourself in a mathematical/logical frame of mind - This puzzle is a variation of another. I think I’ve changed the wording enough that any attempts to google the answer will be futile (because, believe it or not, the original formulation of this puzzle did not involve kawaii uguu~ Chinese cartoon grils); BUT if you somehow do manage to find it or have already heard of it, don’t post it in the thread - Remember to SPOILER YOUR ANSWERS - There may or may not be a reward for successful completion of the puzzle Super Special Bonus Question: GANBARE, CD! |
| What? |
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MechaKiryu said: You must determine which lolis will get to leave the facility using only your brain and the information given to you in the OP.What? |
| So let's assume I am a loli. How can I be smarter than one? |
| Facilities in which tests/experiments like these take place are usually impeccably clean so the lolis can just Voila |
| Kenjataimu mode status: 恒久 |
| You're taking this whole "anime" thing a bit too serious. |
WingsOfValor said: I am a human. I am smarter than you. You are human. Therefore, one can be an instance of x and also smarter than another instance. QEDSo let's assume I am a loli. How can I be smarter than one? Kenjataimu said: The facility is meant to be palatable to the lolis' delicate sensibilities. To this end, colorful, fluffy carpets and other soft, non-reflective materials have been installed on the floors and walls. Good try, though.Facilities in which tests/experiments like these take place are usually impeccably clean so the lolis can just Voila cause said: Or perhaps you don't take it seriously enough.You're taking this whole "anime" thing a bit too serious. |
Solipsistic said: WingsOfValor said: I am a human. I am smarter than you. You are human. Therefore, one can be an instance of x and also smarter than another instance. QEDSo let's assume I am a loli. How can I be smarter than one? So I can become the smartest loli, huh? Time to solve this puzzle. |
| I couldn't even think properly because this is so weird |
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Solipsistic said: 50 lolis get pink stamps and 50 get red stamps. So any given pink-stamped loli can see 50 red-stamped lolis and 49 pink-stamped lolis around her. Solipsistic said: These two statements contradict one another.the totals might be 51 red and 49 pink. Or 50 red, 49 pink, and she might have a blue stamp. Also, your choices in wording this problem are a bit... questionable. |
highimstoned said: It means they can't be %100 certain what their stamp is after doing a simple headcountSolipsistic said: 50 lolis get pink stamps and 50 get red stamps. So any given pink-stamped loli can see 50 red-stamped lolis and 49 pink-stamped lolis around her. Solipsistic said: The way this is worded doesn't make any sense.the totals might be 51 red and 49 pink. Or 50 red, 49 pink, and she might have a blue stamp. Also, the choices in wording are a bit... questionable. |
| Kenjataimu mode status: 恒久 |
Kenjataimu said: Edited my post.It means they can't be %100 certain what their stamp is after doing a simple headcount |
| I rather watch 100 lolis brutally tortured in the lewdest way possible. |
| The most important things in life is the people that you care about |
azzuRe said: I rather watch 100 lolis brutally tortured in the lewdest way possible. I'd rather marry 100 lolis with the sweetest wedding on Earth. |
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| So now you're going to lolify generic logical puzzles? I want rule 6 deleted right now. |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
highimstoned said: What I meant to say was that for all each loli knows, the totals could be 50/50, 51/49, or 50/49/1. I will edit the post, though, to clarify this.Solipsistic said: 50 lolis get pink stamps and 50 get red stamps. So any given pink-stamped loli can see 50 red-stamped lolis and 49 pink-stamped lolis around her. Solipsistic said: These two statements contradict one another.the totals might be 51 red and 49 pink. Or 50 red, 49 pink, and she might have a blue stamp. Also, your choices in wording this problem are a bit... questionable. And yes, it may be questionable. It was simply the length I went to to ensure this problem couldn't be googled or found online. |
Immahnoob said: There is nothing intrinsically sexual about a loli. Some would treat them with the same tender-loving, platonic care as their very own daughter. It's only you projecting your own feelings onto the situation, Immah.So now you're going to lolify generic logical puzzles? I want rule 6 deleted right now. |
| I think you should have posted this on Forum Games, I'm bored of logical puzzles myself. I love lolis, attributing them to something that currently bores me is a sin. |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
azzuRe said: I rather watch 100 lolis brutally tortured in the lewdest way possible. |
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azzuRe said: That's some messed up shit dude.I rather watch 100 lolis brutally tortured in the lewdest way possible. |
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Solipsistic said: 50 lolis get pink stamps and 50 get red stamps. So any given pink-stamped loli can see 50 red-stamped lolis and 49 pink-stamped lolis around her. These lolis, however, are smart enough to know that this doesn’t necessarily mean their own stamp is pink; for all they know, the totals might be 51 red and 49 pink. Or 50 red, 49 pink, and she might have a blue stamp. I don't understand this part. Please explain to a dumb girl like me. I read a similar type of question in a brain exercises book but it was much more simple and was logic based only. |
tit said: So we know that 50 lolis got pink stamps and 50 got red. When they look around the room, they can see everyone's stamp except their own. So when a pink-stamped loli looks around, she'll see 50 red stamps and 49 pinks (50 minus her own, which she can't see). Solipsistic said: 50 lolis get pink stamps and 50 get red stamps. So any given pink-stamped loli can see 50 red-stamped lolis and 49 pink-stamped lolis around her. These lolis, however, are smart enough to know that this doesn’t necessarily mean their own stamp is pink; for all they know, the totals might be 51 red and 49 pink. Or 50 red, 49 pink, and she might have a blue stamp. I don't understand this part. Please explain to a dumb girl like me. I read a similar type of question in a brain exercises book but it was much more simple and was logic based only. So you, tit, might be thinking "well wouldn't she just assume that she's pink too, to make it an even 50/50?" What I'm saying is that that would just be a guess; there's no guarantees that it's 50/50. It could be 51/49, so the pink loli looking around can't just assume that she's pink because she sees 49 others. For all she knows, she might have gotten the only blue stamp! She has to be 100% sure of her answer before giving it, so she can't just make a guess. |
| This is stupid because we are expected to answer a supposed life based situation only using maths. |
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| I might just post the original and the answer too. Kekekekek. |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
Immahnoob said: Fuck you m8. At least give it a day or so. I at least want to see if anyone even seriously attempts this, let alone manages to solve it.I might just post the original and the answer too. Kekekekek. |
Immahnoob said: I might just post the original and the answer too. Kekekekek. I need a clue. ~.~ |
| They look into the mirror |
Solipsistic said: tit said: So we know that 50 lolis got pink stamps and 50 got red. When they look around the room, they can see everyone's stamp except their own. So when a pink-stamped loli looks around, she'll see 50 red stamps and 49 pinks (50 minus her own, which she can't see). I don't understand this part. Please explain to a dumb girl like me. I read a similar type of question in a brain exercises book but it was much more simple and was logic based only. So you, tit, might be thinking "well wouldn't she just assume that she's pink too, to make it an even 50/50?" What I'm saying is that that would just be a guess; there's no guarantees that it's 50/50. It could be 51/49, so the pink loli looking around can't just assume that she's pink because she sees 49 others. For all she knows, she might have gotten the only blue stamp! She has to be 100% sure of her answer before giving it, so she can't just make a guess. Please, improve your wording. |
highimstoned said: No. If a pink loli did a head count of everyone, she would see 50 red lolis and 49 pinks. That by itself tells her nothing about her own color, which is what she needs to know to be able to leave.Solipsistic said: So we know that 50 lolis got pink stamps and 50 got red. When they look around the room, they can see everyone's stamp except their own. So when a pink-stamped loli looks around, she'll see 50 red stamps and 49 pinks (50 minus her own, which she can't see). So you, tit, might be thinking "well wouldn't she just assume that she's pink too, to make it an even 50/50?" What I'm saying is that that would just be a guess; there's no guarantees that it's 50/50. It could be 51/49, so the pink loli looking around can't just assume that she's pink because she sees 49 others. For all she knows, she might have gotten the only blue stamp! She has to be 100% sure of her answer before giving it, so she can't just make a guess. Please, improve your wording. |
Solipsistic said: Alright, I see then, but the point about having a total of 51 red and 49 pink is still invalid.No. If a pink loli did a head count of everyone, she would see 50 red lolis and 49 pinks. That by itself tells her nothing about her own color, which is what she needs to know to be able to leave. And she has a 1/100 chance of having the blue stamp, so in a practical situation it would probably be worth it to take the risk. |
highimstoned said: I'm saying FOR ALL SHE KNOWS the totals could be 51 red and 49 pink. She observes 50 red and 49 pink, and her color is unknown. Solipsistic said: Alright, I see then, but the point about having a total of 51 red and 49 pink is still invalid.No. If a pink loli did a head count of everyone, she would see 50 red lolis and 49 pinks. That by itself tells her nothing about her own color, which is what she needs to know to be able to leave. Now, in actual fact, it was a 50/50 split, but none of the lolis know this. If my wording still doesn't make sense then please tell me where it's ambiguous. |
xEmptiness said: I think so, but you could give a fuller formulation to be sure.I think the answer I gave on Skype is right?... Is it? Also, try your hand at the bonus question then. I think that one's much harder to understand and put into words. |
Solipsistic said: her color is unknown. Solipsistic said: This is the part where you tripped up.So any given pink-stamped loli Anyways, sorry for any confusion I may have caused. |
highimstoned said: Yea, I should've said her color is unknown TO HER. No problem, my fault for the ambiguous wording. I was too focused on making this problem untraceable.Solipsistic said: her color is unknown. Solipsistic said: This is the part where you tripped up.So any given pink-stamped loli Anyways, sorry for any confusion I may have caused. |
WingsOfValor said: Here's a clue: make the numbers smaller and see if they're easier to work with. If there were only 10 lolis, 5 pink and 5 red, how would you go about solving the problem? What if we scaled the numbers down even further?Immahnoob said: I might just post the original and the answer too. Kekekekek. I need a clue. ~.~ |
traed said: Well, I said explicitly that the solution wouldn't be a "creative" one or involve some kind of loophole. So no, they couldn't just rub the ink and look at their finger.This is stupid because we are expected to answer a supposed life based situation only using maths. |
| This is totally wrong but I tried haha. |
| I already know the answers, but this shit is not the easiest thing ever. You also distorted it too much, you're missing some information from the original. For example, the "blue" stamp thing you mentioned is because you tried REALLY HARD to hide the original. |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
Solipsistic said: Practically I would say that it is useless, but it does tell them something they didn't know beforehand:Super Special Bonus Question: That answer isn't very hard to comprehend or understand so I doubt it's what you were looking for, but it's a piece of intel nonetheless lol |
| Kenjataimu mode status: 恒久 |
Mkim said: I think I saw a puzzle kinda like this on Sket Dance Oh yeah, that kinda rings a bell. I have still no idea though. ~.~ |
| Can I just please ruin this for everyone? |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
Loli's will rise up in glorious Socialist Revolution, and throw corrupt bourgeoisie officals into fire, in name of Great Revolution. Armed Revolution is the only answer. The Workers will rise! We will not compromise! For the Old Regime Must Die! |
Mugs_Smile said: This is totally wrong but I tried haha. Yea, it sounds like you’re saying that some lolis would have to “guess” at some point. Remember though, it was given that each of the lolis feared punishment so much that they would never give an answer unless they were absolutely sure of it, so this method can't work. But congrats on giving the first real attempt at a solution. |
Kenjataimu said: kek I like the way you think. but yea, that's not it. it's actually very hard to put into words and i'll be really surprised if anyone gets it.Solipsistic said: Practically I would say that it is useless, but it does tell them something they didn't know beforehand:Super Special Bonus Question: That answer isn't very hard to comprehend or understand so I doubt it's what you were looking for, but it's a piece of intel nonetheless lol |
| Don't make me do it. |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
Immahnoob said: Come on, don't you want to see if anyone manages to solve it?Don't make me do it. |
| Can you not turn a math question into something pedophilic? |
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