Fate/stay night: Unlimited Blade Works (TV) 2nd Season Episode 1 Discussion

Grey-Zone said:


I am surprised no one says anything about Shirou being a "sexist" anymore... all people remember from that old anime seems to be "Seiba", "Aacha" and "people die when they are killed".

Grey-Zone said:


I see what you did there.

astroprogs said:

You should read some of ANN reviews.

Maloghurst said:
people are still screaming sexist...just not here...

astroprogs said:
You should read some of ANN reviews.

Grey-Zone said:


I see what you did there.

ZeroDragon said:


I don't believe the salt has actually changed much of anyone's opinions. If you go back to the beginning of when the salt started becoming prevalent and compare with the current situation, it seems that salty people stayed salty while those who weren't continued to remain largely salt-free. But who knows, with all of the upcoming episodes on the horizon, it's possible that this subforum may eventually become an ideal white field of infinite salt and yuetsu.

ZeroDragon said:
an ideal white field of infinite salt and yuetsu.

Mickdrew said:

This part cracked me up XDD

Mickdrew said:

A weird situation we have now; where reading the source material might make you enjoy the adaptation less.

Maybe people would benefit more from watching this before the VN . . .

nocorras said:
It was the same with DEEN FSN from what I've seen. The adaptation was praised until people could actually read the source.

Grey-Zone said:

Ahh yes, the good old "out-of-context" approach. I can remember when THAT article was mentioned a few months ago. But aside from ANN I have not seen much regarding the sexist topic. It only really happens in pre-RN Fate route and DEEN-fiction anyway.

astroprogs said:

ANN and Neogaf mostly. I LOVE Neogaf, but their criticism and the outright discarding of any opposing views regarding the show is just ridiculous.
ANN just seems to be trying very hard to be politically correct. You can see it in the reviewer'ss posts on the forum, and the mods being really irrational and desperate in attempting to protect their reviewer from any criticism, no matter how logical this criticism may be.

You know something is wrong when the reviewer recommends to the new fans F/Z as the best entry point to the series and the mods reply to the people who disagreed on the forum by saying that the Authors' words and intent don't matter, dates of release don't matter, the view of the people who know all there's to know about the franchise don't matter, because... well, we say they don't, and we're obviously correct.

iLostReason said:
Well, people get butthurt easily these days, when someone changes their holy material even a little bit, like location of scene (seriously?), they enter forums like storm and complain.Also, they drop their rating because yes.

I don't know how about others, but as you have probably guessed i didn't play VN, yet i thought that DEEN F/SN (which i watched years ago) was super average.When i heard about UfoFSN coming i was worried that i might dislike it because well, Deen's one was ''not to my liking'', but for some damn reason i'm really liking it now.I wonder what that reason is?...cause it's definitely not pretty visuals only.

Maloghurst said:
you see okabe...in a world were there is endless amounts of salt you must seek an answer, a meaning....a meaning to all this meaningless salt....

ZeroDragon said:
Screw ANN. According to them I said "You've done like eight voices of Tohsaka Rin throughout all these years..." as part of my question to Kana Ueda instead of "You are THE voice of Tohsaka Rin and you've been doing her voice throughout all these years..." What the hell is "eight voices of Tohsaka Rin"? Ueda's only done one kind of voice for Rin. Yeah not a major issue by any means, but come on that's just sloppy and stupid.

Mickdrew said:

Don't look at me, you guys gotta find your own purpose for this madness.

Grey-Zone said:


You didn't ask if the VA understood the German words? :(

Also wtf, can't you sue them or something?

Mickdrew said:

The difference is that half the people watching this anime are disillusioned from the salt being spread in the forums.

CookingPriest said:

Sure. Keep pretending the adaptation does not have problems and anyone criticizing it is just "salty" instead of"Hyped".

ZeroDragon said:


I don't believe the salt has actually changed much of anyone's opinions. If you go back to the beginning of when the salt started becoming prevalent and compare with the current situation, it seems that salty people stayed salty while those who weren't continued to remain largely salt-free. But who knows, with all of the upcoming episodes on the horizon, it's possible that this subforum may eventually become an ideal white field of infinite salt and yuetsu.

bakcheia said:

Those arms though... <3

Maloghurst said:
trust me man....i don't think you've seen shit yet, just wait for the climax....you are probably gonna see things that you wont believe.....

Maloghurst said:
trust me man....i don't think you've seen shit yet, just wait for the climax....you are probably gonna see things that you wont believe.....

antonn said:

*prays for good ending*

JustALEX said:
The anime is pretty cool, but these threads with these raging fanboys and over zealous vn readers is too much....

ijuka said:
I guess it's because the anime has tons of hope but small things keep being done wrong so it's a harder pill to swallow than something like Grisaia no Kajitsu which never had hope in the first place

JustALEX said:
The anime is pretty cool, but these threads with these raging fanboys and over zealous vn readers is too much....

Othi-tan said:

The "wrong" things are always stuff only the fanboys care about so far.

damastah said:

Not really.

ijuka said:
Shirou suddenly arriving at the church is a pretty big screwup.

Harlequina said:


The scene showing him looking for Rin was in the pre-screening btw, from what I read. So it'll be in the BD as well.

ijuka said:
Shirou suddenly arriving at the church is a pretty big screwup. As for anime-only viewers, obviously they cannot know how the fight scene's portrayal might screw up future events. Complaining about Shirou falling enters the silliness territory I guess.

A complaint that anime-only viewers had was that the love scene is out of place and that's not what they should be thinking about at the time. As for power levels, that becomes more of an issue when people begin dying and I have a certain case anime-only viewers . Then again, maybe they extend that and hence make the power levels different from the source material.

Othi-tan said:
Em yes.

This ep for example, the only complain I got from casuals are that it was rushed at the start(Shirou suddenly being at the church).

Aside from that...
OST||| that only Vn readers would know about
Powerlevels|| that only Vn readers would care about
Shirou looking stupid||yes some casuals see him as stupid.So?Some=/=majority
and RinX Shirou chemistry||again only VN readers care too much
are all mentioned gain and again by some VN readers.

Sure it has flaws,but nothing that has hurt the series YET.

I mean people ARE enjoying it.TOO MUCH.

ijuka said:
Shirou suddenly arriving at the church is a pretty big screwup. As for anime-only viewers, obviously they cannot know how the fight scene's portrayal might screw up future events. Complaining about Shirou falling enters the silliness territory I guess.

A complaint that anime-only viewers had was that the love scene is out of place and that's not what they should be thinking about at the time. As for power levels, that becomes more of an issue when people begin dying and I have a certain case anime-only viewers will have issuesThen again, maybe they extend that and hence make the power levels different from the source material.

Hetment said:


While it's true some stuff is borderline nitpicking ...... One cant deny the faults anime has itself created too. The MOST important one is without a doubt projection.... Unless they explain projection, It IS gonna be considered as an asspull.
Secondly, lack of monologue will lead to the future battles of Shirou being considered as a shounen MC desperate instead of being a guy who is going to learn from experience and still follow his dream.

I am not saying the anime didnt explain these stuff. It DID explain, MUCH better than some DEEN poison but the thing is, it's still not THAT FSN which fans love. Atleast the anime which some of us had expectation from a company called Ufotable which has tremendously shown how great it can do adaptations of VN.
All of the 'fanboys' you see nitpicking alot love the VN. And I wont deny that this VN IS inspiring ( especially the UBW route.... and somewhat HF..... just dont get a psycho GF and initially Fate too)
As such they want to truly experience that effect of VN which had its limitations ( no animation) in full form. After all ufotable has clearly showed that speed and power of servant. all ufo needs to check is presentation of story.
Part of the reason why FSN is a bit hard to adapt is its characters itself. You dont see a guy like Shirou too much whose character can become GREAT or instaFAIL with just monologues lol ( *cough cough DEEN cough cough)

Hetment said:


While it's true some stuff is borderline nitpicking ...... One cant deny the faults anime has itself created too. The MOST important one is without a doubt projection.... Unless they explain projection, It IS gonna be considered as an asspull.
Secondly, lack of monologue will lead to the future battles of Shirou being considered as a shounen MC desperate instead of being a guy who is going to learn from experience and still follow his dream.

I am not saying the anime didnt explain these stuff. It DID explain, MUCH better than some DEEN poison but the thing is, it's still not THAT FSN which fans love. Atleast the anime which some of us had expectation from a company called Ufotable which has tremendously shown how great it can do adaptations of VN.
All of the 'fanboys' you see nitpicking alot love the VN. And I wont deny that this VN IS inspiring ( especially the UBW route.... and somewhat HF..... just dont get a psycho GF and initially Fate too)
As such they want to truly experience that effect of VN which had its limitations ( no animation) in full form. After all ufotable has clearly showed that speed and power of servant. all ufo needs to check is presentation of story.
Part of the reason why FSN is a bit hard to adapt is its characters itself. You dont see a guy like Shirou too much whose character can become GREAT or instaFAIL with just monologues lol ( *cough cough DEEN cough cough)

Othi-tan said:

Em projection explanation right now wouldnt do shit.It has nothing to do with Shirou growth in his specialty.Just like Archer's past life we already have two scenes that connect to the explanation needed in later scenes.
Dont try to predict.We dont know how they will try to show that(if they do).Besides the only time he was shown desperate was with Kuzuki and in the CHurch just like in the VN(less in the Church since he acts without thinking).

The problem is that all those that "love the VN" deny that others can enjoy the anime due to subjective criticism.Shirou is LIKED BY CASUALS .Not by all but that doesnt mean that he is instafail.

Grey-Zone said:
EP2 airs RAW in 15 min.


EDIT: 10 min.

Moekou said:

Where to watch?

OneTrueEmiya said:

I'll PM you.

Othi-tan said:
Projection itself isnt an asspull since
The problem is with how Shirou gets so good at it.The PVs of the second cour mention the Origin.It's easier to assume that they will explain it than they wont.

I dont deny the lack of monologues.I deny the damage people claim they do.

What VN readers seem to think is that Nasu and Miura's approach isnt good.Sorry but I will disagree with the fans.Shirou's issues have been explained,his conflict has been shown, and from here on it is his development only,no more char establishment.
That it lacks all the "beautiful" and redundant monologues doesnt make animeShirou different from Vn Shirou.

That is the problem.Some VN readers compare the anime and VN too much and only see what was cut or changed.They dont care if the results are better(Rin's foreshadowing) or if casuals do get Shirou with the few scenes we have.
Their issue is that it isnt like the VN they know about and they shove words into casual's mouths.

The casuals dont care if Vn readers are happy taht they(casuals) can enjoy it.What I see is a forum full of people's positive reactions buried under the constant bitching of one or two VN readers.That harms the enjoyment of the casuals more than the adaptation not being close to ideal.

BurntJelly said:
Saber looks nice in that dress.

Was not expecting Archer to defect. Not expecting that confession either.

I see this season will have as much boring non-action as the first. Oh well, the action bits make up for it enough.