| In this exact moment, I've watched the first two seasons and 12 episodes of the third season of Lyrical Nanoha. I watched the first two seasons 3 years and a half ago. Although I currently don't have any passion for them, I remember I really liked them (I suppose it was a quick love...?). I hated StrikerS since the moment I started, so I put it On-Hold on episode 10 until now. I picked it up again and I'm struggling to finish it, but I'm sure I'll have completed it before ViVid premieres. I haven't read the ViVid manga - actually, the only Lyrical Nanoha manga I've read until now is A's, which was really bad in my opinion. Having said this, is there a chance that I'll enjoy ViVid? Will I have fun watching Lyrical Nanoha again? By the way, are the ViVid and the Force manga series any good? Thank you so much. |
| Strikers are in a sense that it's focusing on the plot too much but the development is slow, trust me it will get better once things get to spin around at the latter half. This is probably due to the fact that they brought in tons of new characters and the anime is 26 episodes worth. The first and the 2nd season, on the other hand, have all the good action and plot compressed into a single season, and A's was exceptionally good at that. Now onto vivio and force..well if you haven't heard about it, force manga was put on a hiatus for awhile now, it got chopped off right when it started to get interesting, a lot of nanoha fans did not like force for various reasons. The story is centered around a boy who was under subaru's care and got involved in an incident. On the other hand, vivio has been receiving more attention and that's probably why it got animated instead of force. Compared to force, it has a more light-hearted atmosphere where it centers around vivio and her friends. It's sad to say that our beloved fate and nanoha won't appear much in vivid (if they adhere properly to the original material). If you're looking for more beams shooting starlight breaker goodness then vivio might not fail you, but i dont think it'd do better than A's if we're talking about the plot. |
on Kiev said: Strikers are in a sense that it's focusing on the plot too much but the development is slow, trust me it will get better once things get to spin around at the latter half. (...) If you're looking for more beams shooting starlight breaker goodness then vivio might not fail you, but i dont think it'd do better than A's if we're talking about the plot. Then I can assume I'll probably like ViVid more than I "like" StrikerS. Thank you so much for your explanation, it was excepcional ;) |
| If there is one thing I'm hyped for it's Teana blowing Nanoha the fuck out during a mock battle. |
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| Thank you for your opinions ;) |
Wildcat17 said: In this exact moment, I've watched the first two seasons and 12 episodes of the third season of Lyrical Nanoha. I watched the first two seasons 3 years and a half ago. Although I currently don't have any passion for them, I remember I really liked them (I suppose it was a quick love...?). I hated StrikerS since the moment I started, so I put it On-Hold on episode 10 until now. I picked it up again and I'm struggling to finish it, but I'm sure I'll have completed it before ViVid premieres. I haven't read the ViVid manga - actually, the only Lyrical Nanoha manga I've read until now is A's, which was really bad in my opinion. Having said this, is there a chance that I'll enjoy ViVid? Will I have fun watching Lyrical Nanoha again? By the way, are the ViVid and the Force manga series any good? Thank you so much. ViVd is good from what i hear from experience don't read force its a waste of time |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus  |
| I liked strikers. It was very interesting to see nanoha as a teacher and see her go ham. |
FlamingMangos said: I liked strikers. It was very interesting to see nanoha as a teacher and see her go ham. Gonna be fun seeing her as a zenryoku zenkai mom lol Her and fate just look so "middle class parents" in the new shots. Edit* Nvm dripping with swag, TSAB must pay rather well. |
removed-userFeb 24, 2015 6:16 AM
| I like StrikerS. It is one of the reasons why the franchise is even less stereotypical from its genre. While it was kind of slow, it had some really good moments, episode 17 and 24 to 25 being the best examples. I liked the military setting, and the fact that Nanoha is still working as a magical girl even when she's already an adult. Subaru and Teana had good character development, Erio being the GUY we love, and Caro has awesome dragons. Vita mellowed a lot, Signum is just Signum, Shamal does her job as usual, and Zafira being the animal sidekick. And Rein is way more competent on the battlefield than freakin' Hayate. I actually like the fact that Nanoha and Fate have the skills to defeat her, even though Hayate is so overpowered that even anti-magic in Force cannot negate her power. While the villains are not as interesting as the villains from previous seasons, they are actually more than just a bunch of people if you look closer into them. Lutecia's group is similar to the Wolkenritter or Fate; in fact, Lutecia is an expy of Fate, just like Caro is a little expy to Nanoha. Zest is actually a cool guy, and his story is not really uninteresting. Agito is a foil to Rein, being born in a cold laboratory instead of a warm family (pretty ironic, considering their powers), she's following her first and that time only friends to support. Each Number is given a quirk, so they stand out a bit from each other. The Number 1-4 are stated to be evil, while the Number 6-12 are stated to be children who don't know better and are following their father and older sisters. The Numbers are also given some development in Sound Stage X, ViVid and Force. And I really want to tak about them. Uno is Scaglietti's right hand and secretary. She is the oldest sister and has the highest authority among them, and is pleased by the respect of her younger sister. Not meant for combat, she's built to support her sisters and Scaglietti and gives them orders if the doctor doesn't. Depsite being Scaglietti's opposite sex clone, she's not that evil and is quiet polite. She's still evil, though. Due is the most minor Number, appearing only twice. However, I find her being the most interesting Number. Not only is she one of the two most evil Numbers, she has also a huge impact to the story. Due is responsible of stealing Olivie's DNA and is directly connected to Vivio's creation, who was created to be the Cradle's vassal. She is also the only character there who uses her beauty to her advantage. Tre is one of the two strongest Number. Cold and stern, but caring for her sisters. She's also respectful to Fate, since she and the doctor consider Fate as part of their family. Tre takes care of Sette, as the latter is way to machine-like in her way of thinking. Despite one of the evil Numbers, she's the least evil one of the four. Quattro being another of the two most evil Numbers, who took Due as her role model. Weak in battle, but very manipulative. While people hate her for being evil, I actually like her for that, since her evilness was interesting, which makes her stand out from the other Numbers. She even tries to get rid off of four of them, just so she can be Scaglietti's right hand. Pretty much the most important Number. Cinque is the fourth oldest Number who is between the 1-4 group and the 6-12 group. She's not evil as 1-4, but not as "innocent" as the 6-12 either. Pretty much proven by the fact that her sentence is life long. As one of two strongest Numbers, she managed to kill the original Zest (who was not uninjured), but she didn't participate in the final battle because of her injuries by Subaru. However, she joined her younger sisters to support them. She's now the second oldest Nakajima sister. Cinque loves sweets and is a little bit tomboyish (it's very subtle). And she wants Thoma to be manlier (LOL). Sein, one of the two goofy Numbers. Her IS is actually a mutation, which makes her a lucky lottery winner. Thanks to her IS, she's a very useful Number. After losing to Schach, she joins the Church, becoming Schach's disciple and acts as a older sister figure to Chantez. And Sein is quiet a pervert. Sette, the Number the staff seems to forget. She's the most machine-like Number, thanks to Quattro messing up with her personality before she was released. She is heavily focused on combat and has no interests. The only sister she is bonding is Tre, to the point that she follows her in jail, unlike the other young Numbers. Sette is the youngest, by the way. Otto, one of the twin Numbers and one of the three "emotionless" Numbers, thanks to Quattro. Otto is known for looking like a boy and wearing a male servant uniform. Despite that, she actually wears some feminine clothes in free time (miniskirts FTW). She and Deed mellowed a lot during their time in the Church. Otto becomes Corona's co-trainer and even gives her a motivation speech during an important match. Nove, the evil counterpart to Subaru who is best known for being the angry Number. However, she's actually a very caring person, especially if it's her family, but she also care for others. In ViVid, Nove has lost her angry nature and is a humble person. Now being the trainer of Team Nakajima, she does her best to make her little friends stronger and even asks other people to help her. She's also good friends with Micaiah, with both adding "-chan" to their names. Yuri subtext there~ It took at least three to four years to fully accept the Nakajimas as her family. She even doesn't mind being Subaru's younger sister anymore. It is unclear whether her body is tougher than the other 11 Numbers or not. Dieci. One of the colder Numbers with a hidden heart of gold, she also joins along with Cinque, Nove and Wendi the Nakajima family; Dieci is the same age as Subaru. It turns out that the once seemingly cold Dieci is actually one of the most feminine Numbers. A good cook (so is Sein) with a warm aura, who supports Team Nakajima (mostly with food?). In Force, she has to make a proper appearance in Special Duty Section 6 yet. Wendi, the other goofy Number, who has unfortunately no speciality at all. Not too bad in combat, but not good either. And she's a bad driver. As the youngest of the Nakajima sisters, she's the most childish one, but somehow she manages to become Teana's assistant in Force, like Shario is one to Fate. She also supports Team Nakajima... by just being there? While she hasn't changed much from StrikerS, she notably lost her sad of view of life: being a war machine. Deed, one of the three "emotionless" Numbers and one of the most feminine ones. Very polite and soft-spoken, but also a very dirty fighter (well, who is not a dirty fighter in this series). Like her twin Otto, she mellowed out during her time in the Church. As Rio's co-trainer, Deed and Otto developed a little rivalry: who is the better trainer or who has the better student. A little pervert who knows shibari ties. |
MajinAkumaApr 3, 2015 7:51 AM
| I liked StrikerS... I watched it in the begining of my anime ''adventure'' so for me the time skip was kind of mind blowing. The only thing I disliked was the lack of backstory. I remeber that it was mistery where the fuk are they (is it another world), what happened with her family and friends, how she ended there. I think another season, with a shorter time skip was necessary for introduction. In any case i waited for over 5 years for another season, and rumors about Vivid adaptation existed ever since then. I dont know what took them so long, this francise definetly needed more atention. I hope that in future, they would make other season, with Nanoha as MC, prequels of events before StikerS. |
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| Personally speaking, I really didn't enjoy StrikerS at all. To me, the Nanoha series is about the characters of Nanoha and Fate (and Hayate). StrikerS did a phenomenal job in relegating them to the sidelines and turned them into office ladies and parents (despite the fact that they're supposed to be 19) with concepts like Limiters to keep them out of battle. I'm all for maturing the characters and giving them responsibilities, but not at the expense of what made fans attracted to them in the first place. In their place, we are treated to a plethora of characters and settings that I personally couldn't care about or come to like and plot points and concepts that came out of nowhere. With regard to Vivio, I guess those who liked her from StrikerS would like her in this series. However, I think I'm already too damaged by StrikerS to give this series a fair shot if all I'm going to see is Nanoha and Fate play Yuri parents (it's the parents part that I take issue with, not the Yuri). tl;dr, essentially, I honestly don't see why the franchise still has to have Nanoha's name in the title. |
| I really enjoyed StrikerS. I will admit that the pacing is a bit slow at first, but I credit that to it being a 26 episode series, when they were previously used to working on 13 episode shows with Season 1 and A's. It takes a bit to get their footing, because they are trying to introduce new characters and set up the world at the same time, but when the action picks up...WOW! And it looks even better on the blu-ray version of the show recently released. And when the show got emotional…it got emotional. Jail wasn’t the best villain, but whatever, he did serve his purpose. And let’s not forget that the series was given an accompanying manga like A’s was to fill in spots and maybe answer some questions. I think it did a good job of that. I think it did so better than A’s did, anyway. The StrikerS manga gave “A’s to StrikerS” chapters to give us some of the events that led up to the beginning of the show. And those episode in-betweeners weren’t so bad either. It didn’t answer every question fans may have had but it still did fill in some gaps. Also, MajinAkuma, good job on that analysis of the Numbers! :) It was my favorite season in the show. I think that they did a good job distributing on screen time with the main members of the cast. And everyone was given something to do. I don't think of them as "office ladies". I mean maybe Hayate, because she spends more time sitting down in StrikerS than she did in her wheelchair in A's. lol. But Nanoha and Fate, I think they were given good development and their jobs make sense. You see a bit of Fate's backstory and why she is an Enforcer. At first I didn't get why Nanoha wanted to be a Combat Instructor...and then they explained it (and showed it in both the manga and tv show) and I understood. And the limiters made sense. It feels like something an actual military would implement. And it does stop our characters from becoming dis-interesting Mary Sues from a story perspective. The cast was a bit large, but whatever, the major focus is with the military, so its nice seeing more than a few people on a show. It builds up the universe a bit. And I don't see the issue of having Nanoha and Fate be parents at 19 (and in the case of Fate, she became Caro’s guardian at 17 or 18 if I am recalling right). I mean, my mother was 19, in college, when she gave birth to me. Remember these are the same girls who have been in the military since they were 9. They have seen a lot of sh** in their TEN YEARS (at that point) working for the TSAB. These girls have maturity beyond their years being already 10 year vets and probably have the mindset of someone usually 15-20 years their senior. Having a child shouldn't be really questioned. I find myself concerned with what kind of PTSD these girls will probably have by the time they are 30. And I always tell people who hated Vivio for some reason in StrikerS to give her a second chance in ViVid. She isn't that six year old who doesn't eat her green peppers and cries out for Mama. She's grown into a badass ten year old. That six year old that used to cry for mama is now a ten year old that can probably send people crying to their mamas now. Between her guidance under Nanoha-mama and her Strike Arts training with Nove, she's become, well, a worthy Takamachi. She has her specialty in Strike Arts like Nanoha has hers in "befriending" and her Aunt Miyuki and Uncle Kyoya have their swordsmanship. And she has a bright personality too, very much like her Nanoha-mama did in the early seasons, so there is always that aspect of her character to love. The Nanoha series, as a whole, has always put emphasis on its military aspects and importance of family as much as it does on badass Magical Girls kicking ass and taking names. And more recently bringing in the history of Ancient Belka has been a wonderful addition as well. StrikerS did a good job of blending many of the things I loved about the Nanoha franchise. That’s why I loved it so much. ViVid provides a somewhat fresh take on the Nanoha formula. Less about the military and more about the everyday life (ViVid has a canon spinoff in ViVid life that focuses a lot on that), the ancient belkan history, and magical fist fights, but it keeps a lot of the tropes intact and I think that's what attracts me the most to it. |
"Rin Goes From Comatose to Bitch In 3 Seconds" : Hakuno Kishinami - Fate/Extra  |
retroranger18 said: And I always tell people who hated Vivio for some reason in StrikerS to give her a second chance in ViVid. She isn't that six year old who doesn't eat her green peppers and cries out for Mama. She's grown into a badass ten year old. That six year old that used to cry for mama is now a ten year old that can probably send people crying to their mamas now. Between her guidance under Nanoha-mama and her Strike Arts training with Nove, she's become, well, a worthy Takamachi. She has her specialty in Strike Arts like Nanoha has hers in "befriending" and her Aunt Miyuki and Uncle Kyoya have their swordsmanship. And she has a bright personality too, very much like her Nanoha-mama did in the early seasons, so there is always that aspect of her character to love. (...) ViVid provides a somewhat fresh take on the Nanoha formula. Less about the military and more about the everyday life (ViVid has a canon spinoff in ViVid life that focuses a lot on that), the ancient belkan history, and magical fist fights, but it keeps a lot of the tropes intact and I think that's what attracts me the most to it. Thank you. This helped me a lot :) |
| Since I talked about the Numbers, it's time to talk about the main villain, Jail Scaglietti. He's an artificial human who was created by the TSAB High Council. His purpose is to create other artificial humans for them, so the TSAB get a stronger force against upcoming threats (Hückebein, Vandein, anyone?). As the man who started the experiment Project Fate, he is connected to the creation of Fate and Erio, with Presea completing the project when she was creating Fate. Working behind the scenes, he found the Saint Cradle along with the type IV Gadget Drones and he started to invent the other three Gadget types which are powered by Relics and Jewel Seeds. He also created Combat Cyborgs, with some of them being created through DNA, and at least four of them share his DNA. He stole Quint's DNA to create Ginga, Subaru and Nove, which makes him also Ginga and Subaru's "father". With his creation of the Numbers and the Gadget Drones, he had strong army behind him, which made him a fearsome opponent. With the High Council and Regius Grangaitz supporting him as his sponsors, Scaglietti got enough back-up and money to complete his work without being caught by the TSAB. However, he had no intention to work under them, so he sent Due as a spy to kill them during the time when StrikerS aired. To use the Saint's Cradle as his most powerful weapon, he needed a vassal to drive it, so he sent Due to steal Olivie's DNA, so he can create a clone, Vivio. Yes, he's also her "father". To prove the strength of his Numbers, he told Regius to send Zest's team on a mission involving Combat Cyborgs. Zest and Quint and the rest of the team except Megane died during the incident. Megane fell in a coma and he used her daughter Lutecia to work for him and he created a clone of Zest as her guardian. A year later in another incident involving his type IV Gadgets, Nanoha got heavily injured who was already exhausted through her extreme daily training to begin with. Scaglietti also worked with Tredia Graze, who was working on using corpses as military weapons, which we know as Ixpellia's Mariage. However, Scaglietti had no interest to support him further, but he knew about his death by the Mariage, which made him an important witness during the Mariage Incident. To show the world the power of his creations, he attacked the Ground Force HQ and the Long Arch, while recapturing Vivio. He used the Cradle to succeed his plan, but he failed as the Riot Force 6 was very good in hiding there true powers, so he underestimated them. He had a back-up plan to escape, though. Each Number carries a clone inside his womb, who will be born if he died. However, he didn't die, as Fate managed to stop the self-destruction of his basement. In the end, he got arrested and only four of his daughters followed him in jail (actually, three only as the fourth one, Sette, was just following Tre). This man was born as a mad scientist and is the father of the 12 Numbers, Ginga and Subaru, Fate and Erio and Vivio, and Zest. Pretty fucked up. He is very proud of his creations, which is the considers his creations as his family, most notably his Numbers. That's why he tried to convince Fate to join his side, even though in really fucked up way. This guy was really good in being crazy. And he actually had some combat abilities to back-up, but not very much of it, that's why he needed bodyguards. What I really like about him is that he's a graceful loser who didn't break down when his plan failed. He accepted his fate (^^) and is now leaving in his comfortable jail. He was also very cooparative when Ginga asked him about Tredia Graze. In exchange of getting wine to pay respect for the third anniversary of Due's death, one of his masterpieces. The fact that he always smiles in every situation shows how crazy this guy is. It's in his genes. |
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BatoKusanagi said: Don't bother with any of them. You gave StrikerS a 9. |
WrongPriest said: Which is also why I really don't mind the different art-style, Vivid was never really meant to be a Lyrical Nanoha season 4 anyway, just a bit of fun. . ViVid actually is the 4th season though. Force was put on "hiatus" and Nanoha INNOCENT is the AU spinoff. As is the manga retelling of the 1st series. The mangas in general though have been more fanservicey than the tv series. The A's and StrikerS companion mangas no exception. |
| "Rin Goes From Comatose to Bitch In 3 Seconds" : Hakuno Kishinami - Fate/Extra |
| Judging from the first episode, ViVid is so much better than StrikerS! Now that's what I like in Nanoha! --- Killuan said: BatoKusanagi said: Don't bother with any of them. You gave StrikerS a 9. Ohohohohohohohoh ~ ~ ~ |
| I did not finish StrikerS yet. I'm marathoning it. But I did watch vivid, and I say that vivid has much better 1st episode. However, StrikerS does get better in later episodes. |
| What I don't like about StrikerS is suddenly they introduce a LOT of new characters, and we don't really get to see them closer or deeper as the story goes. We also don't get much focus on Nanoha and Fate, and Hayate was really reduced to a support character imo. But for those who can move on, and like the new characters, I think it will be a good series for them (too bad I'm the type who can't move on). Vivid is a new series, and the main protagonist is Vivio. Nanoha and Fate are only support characters. But I think they have better characterization for new MC rather than Strikers, especially Einhart. Vivid has more focus on MC I think. If u don't mind to look the series in a new perspective, I think it's pretty good. Btw how many episodes will this series have? I think they need to do it in fast pace (if only 12 episodes) so the series can get to the 'interesting event' and execute it well. Maybe they need to reduce some slice of life elements. |
| The first episode of vivid was terrible, in my opinion |
jejehartadi said: Btw how many episodes will this series have? I think they need to do it in fast pace (if only 12 episodes) so the series can get to the 'interesting event' and execute it well. Maybe they need to reduce some slice of life elements. The first episode of ViVid adapted 3 chapters of the manga. If they keep this up for a 12 episode series: 1 - Memories 1-3 2 - Memories 4-6 3- Memories 7-9 4- Memories 10-12 5- Memories 13-15 6- Memories 16-18 7- Memories 19-21 8- Memories 21-24 9- Memories 25-27 10- Memories 28-30 11- Memories 31-33 12- Memories 34-36 That would put them at the end of "The Power of Dream" (Memory 36) which if I am recalling right is the results of Vivio's fight against Miura and the beginning of the Harry vs. Rio fight. It would be a good place to stop as a cliffhanger if there were to be a second cour. And about reducing the slice of life...they already do that. That's what Nanoha ViVid Life is for. Mostly slice of Life moments/4-komas/one-shots so they can advance the plot of ViVid. (since the manga is released monthly, not weekly or bi-weekly) |
retroranger18Apr 7, 2015 2:45 PM
| "Rin Goes From Comatose to Bitch In 3 Seconds" : Hakuno Kishinami - Fate/Extra |
WrongPriest said: I don't know whether they'll do 3 chapters constantly, some chapters have enough content for whole episodes, while others can be skipped. ^^ This. Btw I actually really want to see But maybe the anime can't cover it until that chapter. |
| In my case, I watched the first 6 episodes of Strikers 8 months ago (marathoned the first two seasons as well) before putting it on hold. StrikerS was just completely different to the first two Nanoha series that I love, that it made me feel that I was watching a completely different anime. Eventually I decided to finish the series because I wanted to clear my watch list, and turned out to be better than I thought (it also coincided with Vivid appearing in the spring chart, so yay) It definitely packed a lot of emotions, and the characters were just more compelling. Still it's biggest flaw is the huge cast. A lot of them were just not as fleshed out as the characters in the first two. Sure, people who read the events that happened between Strikers and A's, might feel differently, but for people who watch the anime like me, those new characters made the series feel completely foreign to me. |
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| StrikerS is average, Vivid (and Force) is crap. Simple as. The anime will likely be worse than the manga. |
TonyThemeApr 9, 2015 9:15 AM
TonyTheme said: StrikerS is average, Vivid (and Force) is crap. Simple as. The anime will likely be worse than the manga. While I will agree with you about Force and it's 39 chapters of WTF....having read all 70 chapters that I have so far, I do love ViVid. It's nice to explore the vastness of the world and the history of Mid Childa and Ancient Belka. Sure Nanoha-mama and Fate-mama aren't super prominent (they are still there obviously to watch over Vivio), but they don't need to be really. Vivio and Einhart and the other new characters do a good job of carrying the story. ViVid and ViVid Life are good comics that fans have wanted animated for years. Yeah, it's no masterpiece but its really enjoyable. And as I've said before about StrikerS, it isn't bad. And it's my personal favorite of the three from an enjoyment standpoint (Yes, A's has better story telling but I didn't enjoy it as much). It starts off a bit slower because they weren't used to a 26 episode format and they were trying to introduce the rookies. Yeah the cast was large, but I get it. It's a military series, you need more characters to appear or else the same six characters all the time doesn't really show the vastness of the TSAB's forces, which they were probably going for. A lot of those characters had time in A's The Comics, the A's CD Dramas and StrikerS the Comics, and data in StrikerS the Chronicle so a lot of them weren't total wasted. 60+ characters (major and minor) were a bit much, but it was pretty clear who the major and minor characters of focus were. |
| "Rin Goes From Comatose to Bitch In 3 Seconds" : Hakuno Kishinami - Fate/Extra |
retroranger18 said: Except it barely does that at all.It's nice to explore the vastness of the world and the history of Mid Childa and Ancient Belka. Vivio and Einhart and the other new characters do a good job of carrying the story. I wouldn't label a single Vivid only character as three dimensional (This isn't even subjective here, do you think you could provide an example?), or interesting.My gripes with Vivid: Characters aren't engaging or three-dimensional, conflict and tension is nearly non-existent and thereby leaves me unengaged, lack of an overarching plot, not a big fan of the artwork, and the fanservice always seems unnatural in its execution. I found a sizable portion of StrikerS boring, the plot wasn't interesting, villains were generic, Caro and Erio dull (even Erio's tie in with Project F, and Fate's connection to Jail), and so on. Vivid and Force have all the problems StrikerS had, and more. |
TonyTheme said: Except it barely does that at all. Actually it does. After the tournament arc, they do this. Especially starting in the 40s. I wouldn't label a single Vivid only character as three dimensional (This isn't even subjective here, do you think you could provide an example?), or interesting. Throughout 70 chapters, I have seen Einhart transform from what she was in the beginning stages. The characters have developed an identity. Plus it helps to also know a bit about the other canon materials in StrikerS Sound Stage X (which sort of led into ViVid), Lyrical Nanoha the Movie 1st's Audio Commentary, Nanoha ViVid Life, and Lyrical Nanoha The Movie 2nd A's CD Drama "Side Takamachi". Adding that supplemental material helps develop characters even better when you are dealing with a manga that only comes out monthly. The characters all have personalities that have been coming to the forefront lately, and it's been a nice period to read over the last year-few months. Also I just want to say that I find Rio and Corona more interesting than I ever did main timeline Arisa and Suzuka (I specify "main timeline" because I actually do kind of like them in Nanoha INNOCENT, but then again I still find them overshadowed by just being there. lol) Quite frankly, many of the characters adds a bit of mystery and something to look forward to learning about. TonyTheme said: lack of an overarching plot, The plot of the series is to literally see the world through Vivio's eyes as she follows in the footsteps of her mamas, and as she discovers more about her Ancient Belkan lineage. If there ever is a villain, it's probably going to be related to the incident that led into ViVid in StrikerS Sound Stage X. TonyTheme said: not a big fan of the artwork, and the fanservice always seems unnatural in its execution. Welcome to Nanoha comics. The only one in the line that is probably exempt from this is Original Chronicle Lyrical Nanoha The 1st. TonyTheme said: I found a sizable portion of StrikerS boring, the plot wasn't interesting, villains were generic, Caro and Erio dull (even Erio's tie in with Project F, and Fate's connection to Jail), and so on. Vivid and Force have all the problems StrikerS had, and more. I can see where you come from to an extent. And like I said, I agree with you about Force. The problem with Force was not any problems with or from StrikerS, but that it tried to take StrikerS and make it grimmer and darker (read: boring and more unnecessarily bloody). But for StrikerS, I enjoyed probably all but maybe 3 or 4 episodes. I liked the story behind Subaru, didn't care too much for Teana, but did like her dynamic with Subaru. Erio and Caro had an interesting backstory that I do kinda wish was expanded, but what we got was fine. Jail was there to tie up the last of Season 1's plot points and to be a nuisance. But when the became a threat, I took him seriously then. The Numbers had flaws (we've talked a lot about the numbers already so I'll refrain from any more). Finding out the reason why it was Nanoha decided to become a teacher and why she teaches the way she does. And the series had some good closure for Fate's arc. And so far StrikerS is the only show I know that can get me emotional in a scene that involves a combat cyborg having heartfelt moment with an intelligent device. One thing that Nanoha StrikerS did that I loved was that it better explored the workings of the Bureau, something that I was hungry to see. It also kept up the family element and the friendship dynamic that I always praise the series for. And when it got dramatic it got dramatic. Another thing I loved. I was kept entertained, and I started watching StrikerS after being exposed to the Nanoha films first, and i know people always ask me how I was more entertained by StrikerS than those films. I just am. If you want me to be honest, I normally hate things ViVid, so it surprised me how I picked up and loved it from the start. Maybe it's because I've become so engrossed in the franchise lore....who knows. This franchise has come a long way since being the Spinoff of a Magical Girl spinoff of Triangle Heart 3.... I am not going to be one of those guys that say "Your opinion is wrong" because that's what it is. Your opinion. like I have mine. You don't like ViVid. Good for you. |
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