| 1. Eto 2. Arima 3. The leader of V? (whoever this person is that wants to kill the one eyed King must be pretty strong to be threatening Yoshimura, but since we still haven't seen him/her I'll just put him/her in the middle.) 4. Yoshimura 5. Noro/Tatara |
AlquezJan 23, 2015 4:18 AM
| The strongest ghouls are probably Tatara, Eto and Uta. The strongest CCG members are Arima and Washuu. |
| 1) V 2) Eto & Armia 3+) Washuu guys 3) Tatara & Noro & Suzuya & Sachi 4) Ayato & Yomo & Uta 5) Tsukiyama, and others Kaneki is weak right now, and when he gets his memories back he'll probably be #3+. In his Kakuja form, he'll probably contend for the #1 & #2 spot. |
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| Uta is in his prime right now, he should be able to beat old yoshimura with no big injuries, otherwise the strength scheme is messed up. An old man can't beat an alpha buck. |
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| reserved. im gonna add uta this list, after chapter 18. |
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| Uta's strength hasn't been shown though or even implied. |
| 1. Arima 2. Eto 3. Yoshimura 4. Tatara/Noro/Sachi 5. Suzuya/Washu and others investigators. Uta will probably be in number 4 after chapter 18 and maybe Suzuya too. Kaneki can't with these guys. At the end of :Re he will probably be the strongest character. |
usagi_Kuro99 said: For Top5, it'll probably be Arima, Eto , Yoshimura, Tatara, Uta/Yomo. this looks pretty accurate, doesn't it? No, it doesn't look accurate at all. |
| My top 10 10. Shinohara 9. Kaneki 8. Uta 7. Yomo 6. Shachi 5. Noro 4. Tatara 3. Yoshimura 2. Eto 1. Arima Basically a bunch of ridiculous SS and SSS class ghouls with Shinohara and Arima on the ends of them, lol. |
CNTRI715Feb 22, 2015 1:26 PM
CNTRI715 said: My top 10 10. Shinohara 9. Kaneki 8. Uta 7. Yomo 6. Shachi 5. Noro 4. Tatara 3. Yoshimura 2. Eto 1. Arima Basically a bunch of ridiculous SS and SSS class ghouls with Shinohara and Arima on the ends of them, lol. Shinohara over Suzuya? |
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Kvothe51 said: CNTRI715 said: My top 10 10. Shinohara 9. Kaneki 8. Uta 7. Yomo 6. Shachi 5. Noro 4. Tatara 3. Yoshimura 2. Eto 1. Arima Basically a bunch of ridiculous SS and SSS class ghouls with Shinohara and Arima on the ends of them, lol. Shinohara over Suzuya? Yeah initially I put Suzuya at 10 because imo they're pretty close. After the timeskip Suzuya is probably stronger but we haven't really seen him fight yet so hard to know for sure. As it stands right now I'd put Kuroiwa at 11 because I consider him basically even with Shinohara and Suzuya at 12. After we watch Suzuya wreck shop at the auction he could easily make top 10. I'm curious how this list will look by the end of :re. My guess would be Arima, Eto, and Tatara will still be near the top and Kaneki/Sasaki will be up there too but we'll see. |
| I'm gonna throw this out blindly and say Uta, he prolly has some kakuja or something the sly dude |
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lucidbrandon said: I'm gonna throw this out blindly and say Uta, he prolly has some kakuja or something the sly dude I don't think he would be stronger than Arima or Tatara tho |
GreenBenjamin said: Uta's strength hasn't been shown though or even implied. He about as strong as Yomo and shachi, (shachi backed off when they looked at each other) who should be stronger than old yoshimura. |
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ichii_1 said: GreenBenjamin said: Uta's strength hasn't been shown though or even implied. He about as strong as Yomo and shachi, (shachi backed off when they looked at each other) who should be stronger than old yoshimura. actually yomo is not that strong, at least as i see. uta, of course, stronger than him. i got the feeling that uta doesnt show his real strength. he is the type of guy that wants entertainment. so... yes, i forgot what i want to say lol |
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ichii_1 said: He about as strong as Yomo and shachi, (shachi backed off when they looked at each other) I need a manga page of this, don't remember Uta and Shachi ever meeting, unless you meant Yomo and Shachi's short confrontation, which doesn't really say much either - Kaneki attacked Kanou and Shachi was forced to retreat, since he'd have to take on the two of them while protecting Kanou, which would be impossible even for him. Uta is canonically as strong as Yomo, but i seriously doubt he's a match for any of the top tiers, it's just that people are assuming he's a monster since he's the ''leader'' of the clowns, which shouldn't necessarily be true - the clowns are schemers and tricksters, not fighters. I also disagree completely on Shachi being stronger than Yoshimura. |
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| ^ yeah I meant yomo and shachi meeting. Yoshimura is past his prime, him being able to beat Shachi level ghouls when he's this old makes no sense. |
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CNTRI715 said: Wait, you should probably switch shinohara with Amon. Amon with Arata v.2 took down kaneki.My top 10 10. Shinohara 9. Kaneki 8. Uta 7. Yomo 6. Shachi 5. Noro 4. Tatara 3. Yoshimura 2. Eto 1. Arima Basically a bunch of ridiculous SS and SSS class ghouls with Shinohara and Arima on the ends of them, lol. |
GreenBenjamin said: Yeah but wasn't Shinohara using v.1 when he fought him in Kanou's lab? Amon is another one I would put close to my top 10 too. Honestly Suzuya, Shinohara, Kuroiwa, and Amon could all go into the 10th spot. Once we get to see Suzuya and Amon fight some more in :re I will update this. Amon especially I could see moving way up in terms of power rankings if he is in fact a hybrid like a lot of us are thinking.CNTRI715 said: Wait, you should probably switch shinohara with Amon. Amon with Arata v.2 took down kaneki.My top 10 10. Shinohara 9. Kaneki 8. Uta 7. Yomo 6. Shachi 5. Noro 4. Tatara 3. Yoshimura 2. Eto 1. Arima Basically a bunch of ridiculous SS and SSS class ghouls with Shinohara and Arima on the ends of them, lol. |
| Where are people getting that yomo and uta belong anywhere on a top 5 list? Kaneki would fodderize them both. |
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n0thinglasts said: Where are people getting that yomo and uta belong anywhere on a top 5 list? Kaneki would fodderize them both. And you're basing that on what actually? We've only known that Yomo and Uta are evenly matched in their younger days but we've never seen them fight anyone seriously in the present. |
n0thinglasts said: Where are people getting that yomo and uta belong anywhere on a top 5 list? Kaneki would fodderize them both. Cause young yomo was holding his own for a while against young arima and current yomo should give arima a good fight. How did kaneki do against arima again? XD |
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EasyGo-er said: And you're basing that on what actually? He's basing it on feats, something that holds much more weight than baseless hype. The only thing Yomo's got going for him is him being equal to Uta, who's strength we don't know either, and him being the right-hand of Yoshimura, which should mean he's strong, but still nothing concrete at all. It's actually you that's basing your statements on empty assumptions. I doubt you really think Yomo stands a chance against someone who put a scratch on Arima, something that Owl couldn't do, even though Arima was fighting with a damaged Ixa. ichii_1 said: Yoshimura is past his prime, him being able to beat Shachi level ghouls when he's this old makes no sense. So what if he's past his prime? He still beat two of the top Special Class investigators, Shinohara and Iwa, without too much difficulty, has much greater experience fighting from the numerous encounters with the CCG to cover for Eto, has a Kakuja, and also never really tried to kill anyone. All you have going for Shachi is him beating non-Kakuja Kaneki. He'll put up a fight, but there's no way he's standing up to one of the two SSS-ranked ghouls. ichii_1 said: Cause young yomo was holding his own for a while against young arima and current yomo should give arima a good fight. No. Yomo got wrecked as soon as Arima arrived, he didn't hold his own at all. Arima was barely worried, which is why he decided to train his subordinate instead of dealing with Yomo himself. Yomo would get completely annihilated against Arima if they were to fight to the death. |
MaledictFeb 25, 2015 6:57 AM
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Maledict said: EasyGo-er said: And you're basing that on what actually? He's basing it on feats, something that holds much more weight than baseless hype. The only thing Yomo's got going for him is him being equal to Uta, who's strength we don't know either, and him being the right-hand of Yoshimura, which should mean he's strong, but still nothing concrete at all. It's actually you that's basing his statements on empty assumptions. I doubt you really think Yomo stands a chance against someone who put a scratch on Arima, something that Owl couldn't do, even though Arima was fighting with a damaged Ixa. Kaneki would probably win against Yomo, I'm sure of that but I don't think it will be easy either. I said in the present because Yomo must've been stronger and has more experiences than his younger days and you're comparing his younger self to Kaneki? I don't think that's concrete at all. Again, Kaneki managed to scratch Arima because he let his guard down while fighting him and I don't think Owl is really serious about fighting Arima atm, it's more like she's just defending and keeping Arima away while making her escape since she just laughed at her injuries after that. I'm sure things would be different if she really face off against Arima with the intention to kill him. Why would CCG want Haise to train investigators stronger than Arima otherwise? Let's not just assume things when we haven't even seen him in a real fight yet |
EasyGo-erFeb 25, 2015 7:18 AM
EasyGo-er said: Maledict said: He's basing it on feats, something that holds much more weight than baseless hype. The only thing Yomo's got going for him is him being equal to Uta, who's strength we don't know either, and him being the right-hand of Yoshimura, which should mean he's strong, but still nothing concrete at all. It's actually you that's basing his statements on empty assumptions. I doubt you really think Yomo stands a chance against someone who put a scratch on Arima, something that Owl couldn't do, even though Arima was fighting with a damaged Ixa. Kaneki would probably win against Yomo, I'm sure of that but I don't think it will be easy either. I said in the present because Yomo must've been stronger and has more experiences than his younger days and you're comparing his younger self to Kaneki? I don't think that's concrete at all. Again, Kaneki managed to scratch Arima because he let his guard down while fighting him and I don't think Owl is really serious about fighting Arima atm, it's more like she's just defending and keeping Arima away while making her escape since she just laughed at her injuries after that. I'm sure things would be different if she really face off against Arima with the intention to kill him. Why would CCG want Haise to train investigators stronger than Arima otherwise? Let's not just assume things when we haven't even seen him in a real fight yet Yeah, Eto wasn't even trying to kill Arima. That must be it. Only after she found out she couldn't defeat Arima she decided to flee. |
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lilymul said: But then Eto's reaction upon Arima's arrival ---> 'you're here' and her comment 'that guy's really ruthless' as if they had fought multiple times and they are some sort of avowed opponents to each other. Can anyone clear this up for me? Maybe I've missed any mention of past Arima/Eto's fight in the manga? Eto saying that actually makes me think that they never fought before and she just confirmed what she "heard" about him. |
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ichii_1 said: n0thinglasts said: Where are people getting that yomo and uta belong anywhere on a top 5 list? Kaneki would fodderize them both. Cause young yomo was holding his own for a while against young arima and current yomo should give arima a good fight. How did kaneki do against arima again? XD I must of missed that chapter, what chapter is it I would love to read it. And where is the statement that said how strong Arima was or his feats when he was that age. Naruto the strongest ninja in Naruto by the end where he was what like 16-18 or something? Yet someone holding their own against him at the academy wouldn't be impressive at all. So if the things I asked for above exist, then I guess I just forgot/didn't see them and I retract my statement. I only go off feats though, so if there aren't specific feats to completely back it then I stand behind what I said. Fighting a featless kid Arima by itself doesn't cut it. |
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lilymul said: Honestly there were so many things felt off during the Arima vs Eto but I couldnt put my finger on it. If I'm not mistaken according to flashbacks mentioned on Owl incidents throughout TG, I think Arima and Eto never confront each other before (minus the final TG battle)... right? because, Ist Owl flashback - Arima vs Yoshimura Owl (with the presence of Iba, Mado and Shinohara at that time) 2nd Owl flashback - the first time they met Eto Owl, when the units got annihilated and Mado Kasuka was killed. I think Arima wasnt there. But then Eto's reaction upon Arima's arrival ---> 'you're here' and her comment 'that guy's really ruthless' as if they had fought multiple times and they are some sort of avowed opponents to each other. Can anyone clear this up for me? Maybe I've missed any mention of past Arima/Eto's fight in the manga? I'm too lazy to check up the manga so I'll put what was written on Tokyo Ghoul wikia here So, if what was written here is true, 1. She first appeared in one of CCG's Whack-a-mole hunts and killed Mado's wife. 2. Single-handedly killed a 3rd ward Special Class Investigator, assigned an S-rating and nicknamed as X. 3. Launched a large-scale attack on CCG's 2nd ward branch office, increased to SS-rating, nicknamed Owl which was changed again later to One-Eyed Owl. 4. Attacked the Ghoul Detention Center in the 23rd ward along with other ghouls and upgraded to SSS-rating. 5. Her faction attacked the CCG's 2nd ward branch office for the 2nd time and her kakuhou was dealt a heavy blow by Kuroiwa. 6. Yoshimura acted as Eto and the CCG's 2nd ward branch office was attacked for the 3rd time by him alone and Arima managed to injured Yoshimura using other Special Class Investigators' quinques. Arima only appeared in the 6th event and have only fought with Yoshimura so far. Eto and Arima never fought before the final fight in Anteiku raid. Arcanix said: Eto saying that actually makes me think that they never fought before and she just confirmed what she "heard" about him. |
EasyGo-erFeb 26, 2015 2:38 AM
n0thinglasts said: I must of missed that chapter, what chapter is it I would love to read it. Chapter 113, pages 1-7. As you probably saw, Arima effortlessly blocked his attack and even decided to train Hirako in the meantime, since apparently Yomo wasn't really a threat. It seems like ichii is just tossing terms around, since i didn't see Yomo ''holding his own'', nor is it true that he will he give Arima a good fight, nor does Kaneki fighting an adult Arima say or have anything to do with Yomo's short confrontation against a young Arima. I don't know if Kaneki would ''fodderize'' Yomo, but i don't think think he'll have difficulties either. I'd say he could take him with moderate effort, and that's still generous considering Yomo is practically featless. |
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xsilicon9 said: Eto and Arima are the strongest. They would probably cancel each other out. Arima was able to injure Eto but that was after Eto used energy wiping out other special investigators. They would either cancel each other out or Eto would come out on top. Lol. Arima killed a lot of ghouls and Kaneki before fighting Eto. Arima is waaay stronger than Eto or any other character. If Arima goes with all out he could take on Eto, Yoshimura and Kaneki at same time with no problem. Eto cancel nothing against Arima. She would get killed in seconds. Arima is just too strong for anyone. |
Kaneki90s said: xsilicon9 said: Eto and Arima are the strongest. They would probably cancel each other out. Arima was able to injure Eto but that was after Eto used energy wiping out other special investigators. They would either cancel each other out or Eto would come out on top. Lol. Arima killed a lot of ghouls and Kaneki before fighting Eto. Arima is waaay stronger than Eto or any other character. If Arima goes with all out he could take on Eto, Yoshimura and Kaneki at same time with no problem. Eto cancel nothing against Arima. She would get killed in seconds. Arima is just too strong for anyone. Wat |
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| From obvious we can say that Arima and Eto are strongest. From things that are implied we can guess Tatara (he owns them without even triggering his kagune), Noro (he eats absurd amount of meat, probably ghoul too thus having a kakuja), Uta (he's a part of the clowns and it was implied that he eats ghouls so probably he has a kakuja also). |
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| Arima is definitely the strongest Investigator in the CCG side.(How about overseas?) Don't know about Ghouls though,I'm stilling willing to bet there's some dangerous SSS ghouls hiding deep in the 24th ward and wasn't there some who were imprisoned in Cochlea? I put Eto on Strongest on the Ghoul side for now though. |
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| What about the One Eyed King? We are not sure it was referring to Eto. |
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| Alright, time to update this. I've seen enough from the auction arc. A lot of this is predictions based on how much stronger I'm thinking everyone got after the time skip. For example, I'm assuming that Shinohara is outclassed by everyone on this list now considering he's been in coma for the time skip and unable to get stronger. Likewise I consider it likely all these guys are stronger than Yomo who used to be on here, but maybe he can prove otherwise if we see him in action in the future. 10. Suzuya 9. Shachi 8. Amon 7. Sasaki/Kaneki 6. Noro 5. Seidou 4. Tatara 3. Uta 2. Eto 1. Arima |
| Judging from the nutcracker vs Ooshiba squad fight: It takes 1 first class investigator and a rank 1 plus 6 rank 2's to beat one A class ghoul (nutcracker was keeping her power down to that level) with moderate diff. But they all get killed by an S ranked ghoul with low diff :( Just more fuel for Arima isn't a human theory XD And this guy is supposedly an associate special class, which is one step below special class And he got killed with one arm swipe by seidou :( http://tokyoghoul.wikia.com/wiki/Daisuke_Atou |
ichii_1Mar 28, 2015 10:26 PM
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| There seems to be a huge gap in strength between special class and the other ranks. At this point, unless you're an important character or a special class(but if you're a special class, you have to be important anyway), you're fodder not matter what you rank you are. There seems to be more strong ghouls than investigators these days. |
Kaiser-chanMar 29, 2015 5:22 AM
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| ^I guess if a non important character that's as strong a juuzou just died without reacting it's no problem right? It ruins the consistency of the manga. And after rereading the manager vs ccg fight. He didn't even fight seriously! :O He let them kill him :( I guess rank SSS >> the whole CCG, except Arima |
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ichii_1 said: Judging from the nutcracker vs Ooshiba squad fight: It takes 1 first class investigator and a rank 1 plus 6 rank 2's to beat one A class ghoul (nutcracker was keeping her power down to that level) with moderate diff. But they all get killed by an S ranked ghoul with low diff :( Just more fuel for Arima isn't a human theory XD And this guy is supposedly an associate special class, which is one step below special class And he got killed with one arm swipe by seidou :( http://tokyoghoul.wikia.com/wiki/Daisuke_Atou Amon killed Bin Brother alone, it's two S rate ghoul vs one First Class Investigator. In tokyo ghoul, rank doesn't really show the true strenght (except arima, yoshimura, eto) IYKWIM |
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singgihspd said: Amon killed Bin Brother alone, it's two S rate ghoul vs one First Class Investigator. In tokyo ghoul, rank doesn't really show the true strenght (except arima, yoshimura, eto) IYKWIM Agreed with this, and adding to it, Koma, an SS-ranked ghoul, was beaten by a single Special Class Investigator, ASC Juuzo without his Jason was handling an SS-rank, and Akira is currently holding her own against two S-ranks. You really can't judge by solely by rank in this manga, as the cases are mostly special. |
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