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Feb 23, 2015 11:36 AM
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fathertime said:
I think we're forgetting that Martians think of Terrans as slaves/dogs.Slaine is still a Terran.It's a combination of his stunts+the marriage and plea by Lemrina that has swayed the knights to his side with the fake princess's request playing the biggest role in his rise.Let's remember some of these knights have egos the size of a planet.They're not going to start admiring a Terran just because he pulls of great stunts.It's Lemrina's backing that changed the game for Slaine


Well they did treat Terrans lowly, but after Slaine destroyed the Terran base single handy, he really did won the respect of all the lower class Vers soldiers. And the count really that what he says have some sense as well (1v1 fight being very uneffective).

And all of this happened before the whole marriage declaration.
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Viktor_Otaku said:
Not to mention the nilokeras, the forzen elysium and a couple more others.

Well, yeah. But these can be written off, if one's want to explain things, as being left in the castles or destroyed (why don't they pillage the switched-off castles is unclear, as we've discussed a couple of times), but Mazuurek's kat is almost intact and right at hand.

CookingPriest said:
Oh look Slaine apologism AND Sexism in the same post. just great!


Sexism? Seriously? Where? Oo

CookingPriest said:
The black haired knight outright spells it out for the viewers: they are following Slaine because Princess said so.

But he didn't say this. He said that Slaine holds all the cards AND aldnoah activation. So there is something besides the princess' support.

Inugirlz said:
Not even Inaho's brains alone and do that...and if it does...the ratings yo...that's all imma say.

I think that most likely Inaho will continue to solve this with his magical eye and a bit of teamwork, but he'll start to supposedly suffer, because of overusing the unused brain cells or something. And them maybe the princess or Mazuurek or Mazuurek with someone will help him.
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CookingPriest said:
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Wow you're all a bunch of idiots. Watch the anime again. Harklight even says that the counts are listening to the princess because of Slaine's presence. If the princess told them to stop they wouldnt listen the counts want war. They wanted someone who would lead them and fight with them on the battlefield and Slaine is exactly that. This is all said in the anime I suggest going to watch the episodes again.


Oh look Slaine apologism AND Sexism in the same post. just great!

fathertime said:
I think we're forgetting that Martians think of Terrans as slaves/dogs.Slaine is still a Terran.It's a combination of his stunts+the marriage and plea by Lemrina that has swayed the knights to his side with the fake princess's request playing the biggest role in his rise.Let's remember some of these knights have egos the size of a planet.They're not going to start admiring a Terran just because he pulls of great stunts.It's Lemrina's backing that changed the game for Slaine

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This.

The black haired knight outright spells it out for the viewers: they are following Slaine because Princess said so.


Ok this is the main point I want to make. If Slaine didn't prove himself (and by this i mean show the Martians that his goal is what they want) before he pulled this whole marry the princess crap, absolutely NO one would agree to this marriage and we'd have assassins and shit all over him.

It's a given that no one would listen to him if he didn't have the princess backing him, but the bigger point is that because its specifically him, someone who rose to power so quickly and diligently, many aren't going to oppose the marriage because they do respect his achievements. Who knows maybe later down the line they will try to eliminate him, but at this point they're fine with him.

I don't know how anyone could forget how racist these counts are. They're beyond arrogant and impulsive. What I want this anime to show us is that there are some martians that actually understand that they are only human--the same kind of human that lives on earth and the only difference is that they were born elsewhere. Like any other race of human being. I mean not even Harklight has actually articulated this notion, although I'm sure he believes it since he's so friendly with Slaine.
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TBH I don't think that they can utilize the Aldnoah drives to their fullest. They may have the energy source, but they don't have the tech. Otherwise we did be seeing the Deucalion with giant beam cannons and shields already.
Feb 23, 2015 11:45 AM

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deadoptimist said:
Viktor_Otaku said:
Not to mention the nilokeras, the forzen elysium and a couple more others.

Well, yeah. But these can be written off, if one's want to explain things, as being left in the castles or destroyed (why don't they pillage the switched-off castles is unclear, as we've discussed a couple of times), but Mazuurek's kat is almost intact and right at hand.

CookingPriest said:
Oh look Slaine apologism AND Sexism in the same post. just great!


Sexism? Seriously? Where? Oo

CookingPriest said:
The black haired knight outright spells it out for the viewers: they are following Slaine because Princess said so.

But he didn't say this. He said that Slaine holds all the cards AND aldnoah activation. So there is something besides the princess' support.

Inugirlz said:
. Not even Inaho's brains alone and do that...and if it does...the ratings yo...that's all imma say.

I think that most likely Inaho will continue to solve this with his magical eye and a bit of teamwork, but he'll start to supposedly suffer, because of overusing the unused brain cells or something. And them maybe the princess or Mazuurek or Mazuurek with someone will intervene.


The gravity kat is the only one that the terrans have captured...
The nilokeras, or whatever was recovered by Saazbaum during season 1, I'm pretty sure, the Frozen Elysium was destroyed, the beam sword one was destroyed, and the arm-launching one was recovered by the martians. It's possible that the off castles have been pillaged, and that's where they're getting the resources to keep building those regular kats that they have.

Also... it's pretty obvious that by "aldnoah activation", he was referring to the princess' support.
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Inugirlz said:



I don't know how anyone could forget how racist these counts are. They're beyond arrogant and impulsive. What I want this anime to show us is that there are some martians that actually understand that they are only human--the same kind of human that lives on earth and the only difference is that they were born elsewhere. Like any other race of human being. I mean not even Harklight has actually articulated this notion, although I'm sure he believes it since he's so friendly with Slaine.


True, it is not like they are all going batshit genocidal on the terrans in the first place. Their goal is resources, not blasting the entire population of earth into dust.
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deadoptimist said:

CookingPriest said:
The black haired knight outright spells it out for the viewers: they are following Slaine because Princess said so.

But he didn't say this. He said that Slaine holds all the cards AND aldnoah activation. So there is something besides the princess' support.

Inugirlz said:
Not even Inaho's brains alone and do that...and if it does...the ratings yo...that's all imma say.

I think that most likely Inaho will continue to solve this with his magical eye and a bit of teamwork, but he'll start to supposedly suffer, because of overusing the unused brain cells or something. And them maybe the princess or Mazuurek or Mazuurek with someone will help him.


You seemed to only hear the part about "The count saying he doesn't care" to Mazuurek and completely miss the part about "Losing Aldnoah rights". Slaine hold the cards because the Princess supprots him but all you guys are really not able to see how vulnerable Slaine's Castle of Sand is. Subtelity is really becoming an lost art.

Also Inaho didn't randomly get a convenient super powered magical future-seeing mecha. Let's just ignore all his tactics, teamwork and everything else he has done by calling out on his "Magical eye". This is really getting dumb.

Feb 23, 2015 11:49 AM

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JerichoDeath said:
Also... it's pretty obvious that by "aldnoah activation", he was referring to the princess' support.


Yeah, But I point out that he used "and" and didn't start with it.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
Also Inaho didn't randomly get a convenient super powered magical future-seeing mecha. Let's just ignore all his tactics, teamwork and everything else he has done by calling out on his "Magical eye". This is really getting dumb.


Whoa, touchy. We've discussed the eye's powers in another thread, so I won't go back to it. But "receiving randomly" can be better applied to the eye. Slaine's mecha existed before he got it, he is on the martian side so it was obvious he would get one, all their mechas have gimmicks, him getting Tharsis was somewhat foreshadowed when Saazbaum showed it to him.
Inaho's eye is unique, nobody has anything resembling it, it had not been mentioned before he got it, even the research on cybernetic implants had not been mentioned befor he got it, is not mentioned, is not applied to anyone else.
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Viktor_Otaku said:
TBH I don't think that they can utilize the Aldnoah drives to their fullest. They may have the energy source, but they don't have the tech. Otherwise we did be seeing the Deucalion with giant beam cannons and shields already.


I find the Deucalion to be somewhat interesting, since it uses the Martian Tech that came with the original Deucalion Kat: Gravity Manipulation. (the ship uses anti-gravity generators to lift itself into the air/space)
Could this mean that the Aldnoah Drive is tuned for that type of technology specifically? If so, could this be the reason why we haven't really seen a general use martian special-kat, other than those terrible mass-produced connecting ones?
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JerichoDeath said:
Viktor_Otaku said:
TBH I don't think that they can utilize the Aldnoah drives to their fullest. They may have the energy source, but they don't have the tech. Otherwise we did be seeing the Deucalion with giant beam cannons and shields already.


I find the Deucalion to be somewhat interesting, since it uses the Martian Tech that came with the original Deucalion Kat: Gravity Manipulation. (the ship uses anti-gravity generators to lift itself into the air/space)
Could this mean that the Aldnoah Drive is tuned for that type of technology specifically? If so, could this be the reason why we haven't really seen a general use martian special-kat, other than those terrible mass-produced connecting ones?


All signs so far seem to point in that direction
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Dragon_Slayer_X said:

You seemed to only hear the part about "The count saying he doesn't care" to Mazuurek and completely miss the part about "Losing Aldnoah rights". Slaine hold the cards because the Princess supprots him but all you guys are really not able to see how vulnerable Slaine's Castle of Sand is. Subtelity is really becoming an lost art.

Also Inaho didn't randomly get a convenient super powered magical future-seeing mecha. Let's just ignore all his tactics, teamwork and everything else he has done by calling out on his "Magical eye". This is really getting dumb.


Yes we should not ignore it, just like how we should not ignore Slaine's planning and Harklight supporting him now shall we. Despite Slaine having the Tharsis.

The Count when mention Slaine's rise is not by any means saying that the whole Vers is following him just because of the Princess's support. But rather stating how Slaine had risen beyond their expectations.
Feb 23, 2015 11:55 AM

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Darklight0303 said:
All signs so far seem to point in that direction


Seems so, though all aldnoah produces energy and Saazbaum somehow stole others powers (maybe that was his skill, who knows? but that's op).
Feb 23, 2015 11:56 AM
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JerichoDeath said:

I find the Deucalion to be somewhat interesting, since it uses the Martian Tech that came with the original Deucalion Kat: Gravity Manipulation. (the ship uses anti-gravity generators to lift itself into the air/space)
Could this mean that the Aldnoah Drive is tuned for that type of technology specifically? If so, could this be the reason why we haven't really seen a general use martian special-kat, other than those terrible mass-produced connecting ones?


Another thing is how did they manage to salvage the technology in the first place. Seeing how the drive is unresponsive to anyone but those who had royal blood.
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Viktor_Otaku said:
JerichoDeath said:

I find the Deucalion to be somewhat interesting, since it uses the Martian Tech that came with the original Deucalion Kat: Gravity Manipulation. (the ship uses anti-gravity generators to lift itself into the air/space)
Could this mean that the Aldnoah Drive is tuned for that type of technology specifically? If so, could this be the reason why we haven't really seen a general use martian special-kat, other than those terrible mass-produced connecting ones?


Another thing is how did they manage to salvage the technology in the first place. Seeing how the drive is unresponsive to anyone but those who had royal blood.


Back in season one there was the theory that Sazbaum's Fiance survived and helped with this ship's development
Feb 23, 2015 12:00 PM

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Dragon_Slayer_X said:

Also Inaho didn't randomly get a convenient super powered magical future-seeing mecha. Let's just ignore all his tactics, teamwork and everything else he has done by calling out on his "Magical eye". This is really getting dumb.


you're getting defensive in a place you shouldn't. 'magical' is just a term deadoptimist decided to use, you understood her message so theres no need to feel like Inaho's been slighted. Besides magical means something removed from everyday life or resembling magic, which that eye sure as a hell seems to be (if you want to get literal). Also you can't say that Slaine getting the Tharsis is 'random.' A series of events lead up to him getting it. If you're complaint is its future seeing ability, blame the unexplained aldnoah powers in general.

My real question however is so do you think it would be perfectly fine if by the next episode Inaho & co. survive this massive onslaught of badass machines through teamwork, his strategies and his eye? If that were to happen, you'd see nothing wrong?
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deadoptimist said:
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Also... it's pretty obvious that by "aldnoah activation", he was referring to the princess' support.


Yeah, But I point out that he used "and" and didn't start with it.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
Also Inaho didn't randomly get a convenient super powered magical future-seeing mecha. Let's just ignore all his tactics, teamwork and everything else he has done by calling out on his "Magical eye". This is really getting dumb.


Whoa, touchy. We've discussed the eye's powers in another thread, so I won't go back to it. But "receiving randomly" can be better applied to the eye. Slaine's mecha existed before he got it, he is on the martian side so it was obvious he would get one, all their mechas have gimmicks, him getting Tharsis was somewhat foreshadowed when Saazbaum showed it to him.
Inaho's eye is unique, nobody has anything resembling it, it had not been mentioned before he got it, even the research on cybernetic implants had not been mentioned befor he got it, is not mentioned, is not applied to anyone else.


I would hazard a guess that the cards he could be referring to are the count privileges, Tharsis, Harklight, Herschel, a landing castle, practical control over the moon base, and political power gained from his actions in battles against terrans, as well as his duel.

With regards to the Eye, I guess you could say that a weak pattern of escalation can be seen in S1's exoskeleton arm that granted immense strength while hinting at possible problems that never really emerged.
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deadoptimist said:
Darklight0303 said:
All signs so far seem to point in that direction


Seems so, though all aldnoah produces energy and Saazbaum somehow stole others powers (maybe that was his skill, who knows? but that's op).


Direct Quote from the Aldnoah.Zero wiki:
"The Dioscuria is equipped with multiple Aldnoah Drives that allows for it to create a Dimensional Barrier, Blade Fields, to make its arms into Rocket-propelled Fists that can become a single molecule, and to allow it the ability to combine its different segments. (AZ: "Childhood's End") "

... huh.
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JerichoDeath said:
I would hazard a guess that the cards he could be referring to are the count privileges, Tharsis, Harklight, Herschel, a landing castle, practical control over the moon base, and political power gained from his actions in battles against terrans, as well as his duel.


Yeah, pretty much this.

JerichoDeath said:
With regards to the Eye, I guess you could say that a weak pattern of escalation can be seen in S1's exoskeleton arm that granted immense strength while hinting at possible problems that never really emerged.

I agree that the arm is the most close thing. It was unclear how it was operated so, frankly, I was overlooking at as an example of a futuristic technology for the sake of futurism.
Still the eye with it's advanced options and working neural interface that allows programming on brain is a whole another level. If they have a working neural interface, won't it be logical to use it in kats?

JerichoDeath said:

Direct Quote from the Aldnoah.Zero wiki:
"The Dioscuria is equipped with multiple Aldnoah Drives that allows for it to create a Dimensional Barrier, Blade Fields, to make its arms into Rocket-propelled Fists that can become a single molecule, and to allow it the ability to combine its different segments. (AZ: "Childhood's End") "

... huh.


Huh? x2. Mmhm. So he stole the cores, he uses the same types (the cores are not unique) or what? ...
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deadoptimist said:
JerichoDeath said:
I would hazard a guess that the cards he could be referring to are the count privileges, Tharsis, Harklight, Herschel, a landing castle, practical control over the moon base, and political power gained from his actions in battles against terrans, as well as his duel.


Yeah, pretty much this.

JerichoDeath said:
With regards to the Eye, I guess you could say that a weak pattern of escalation can be seen in S1's exoskeleton arm that granted immense strength while hinting at possible problems that never really emerged.

I agree that the arm is the most close thing. It was unclear how it was operated so, frankly, I was overlooking at as an example of a futuristic technology for the sake of futurism.
Still the eye with it's advanced options and working neural interface that allows programming on brain is a whole another level. If they have a working neural interface, won't it be logical to use it in kats?

JerichoDeath said:

Direct Quote from the Aldnoah.Zero wiki:
"The Dioscuria is equipped with multiple Aldnoah Drives that allows for it to create a Dimensional Barrier, Blade Fields, to make its arms into Rocket-propelled Fists that can become a single molecule, and to allow it the ability to combine its different segments. (AZ: "Childhood's End") "

... huh.


Huh? x2. Mmhm. So he stole the cores, he uses the same types (the cores are not unique) or what? ...


Eye:
If the Eye requires brain tissue to function, and the surgery, with subsequent "problem effects", are dangerous enough, coupled with an early development cycle for the tech... I'm guessing that Inaho probably requested the surgery, despite the dangers involved. Although, this is just a guess.

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Not to mention that most pilots die in fires, rather than getting shot in the eye from small arms.

Dioscuria:
Saazbaum was probably being opportunistic with recovering those Kats each time they were destroyed, thinking: "Hey, I've got this big, stealthy, fast in the air kat... why not slap on some new powers from these dead kats? It's not like their pilots need them anymore"
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Dragon_Slayer_X said:

Also Inaho didn't randomly get a convenient super powered magical future-seeing mecha. Let's just ignore all his tactics, teamwork and everything else he has done by calling out on his "Magical eye". This is really getting dumb.


you're getting defensive in a place you shouldn't. 'magical' is just a term deadoptimist decided to use, you understood her message so theres no need to feel like Inaho's been slighted. Besides magical means something removed from everyday life or resembling magic, which that eye sure as a hell seems to be (if you want to get literal). Also you can't say that Slaine getting the Tharsis is 'random.' A series of events lead up to him getting it. If you're complaint is its future seeing ability, blame the unexplained aldnoah powers in general.

My real question however is so do you think it would be perfectly fine if by the next episode Inaho & co. survive this massive onslaught of badass machines through teamwork, his strategies and his eye? If that were to happen, you'd see nothing wrong?


Yes depending on how it done i won't be bothered if they survive. In fact i am expecting most of them to survive.........we have three capable leaders vs 3 Martian Kats. Just because they teamed up doesn't mean they will have superb teamwork. Earth is more used to teamwork than Vers. Does putting 11 players on the same team make a awesome football team.......not really. That's one weakness they can exploit. Well it all depends on the next episode.

Do you people think killing off a bunch of named characters is the only way to make a good or deep show? I don't, i like to see how it's played out.

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Eye:
If the Eye requires brain tissue to function, and the surgery, with subsequent "problem effects", are dangerous enough, coupled with an early development cycle for the tech... I'm guessing that Inaho probably requested the surgery, despite the dangers involved. Although, this is just a guess.

People would volunteer despite the danger since it's war they lose (healthy people, I mean). Inaho may be the most intelligent, but I dount he is the only one willing to risk.

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Dioscuria:
Saazbaum was probably being opportunistic with recovering those Kats each time they were destroyed, thinking: "Hey, I've got this big, stealthy, fast in the air kat... why not slap on some new powers from these dead kats? It's not like their pilots need them anymore"

Possible, but a bit strange, since he would need to reconstruct his kat constantly and salvage the cores of Argyre (from the ocean) and Femianne (kat destroyed and not on his territory).
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deadoptimist said:
JerichoDeath said:
Eye:
If the Eye requires brain tissue to function, and the surgery, with subsequent "problem effects", are dangerous enough, coupled with an early development cycle for the tech... I'm guessing that Inaho probably requested the surgery, despite the dangers involved. Although, this is just a guess.

People would volunteer despite the danger since it's war they lose (healthy people, I mean). Inaho may be the most intelligent, but I dount he is the only one willing to risk.

JerichoDeath said:
Dioscuria:
Saazbaum was probably being opportunistic with recovering those Kats each time they were destroyed, thinking: "Hey, I've got this big, stealthy, fast in the air kat... why not slap on some new powers from these dead kats? It's not like their pilots need them anymore"

Possible, but a bit strange, since he would need to reconstruct his kat constantly and salvage the cores of Argyre (from the ocean) and Femianne (kat destroyed and not on his territory).


Eye:
True, though I think the troupe we run into when analyzing too far here is the Rule of Cool that the show attempts to pull when pandering to fans. It might make more sense to have more people with this tech, but the show has already spent a bit too much time showing that Inaho is the supposed "cool hero" character.
(not that I can't enjoy the show for what it is, or anything)

Dioscuria:
My other theory was that Saazbaum specifically built his Kat to be capable of fitting new modules onto it, with the assumption that they (the Vers forces) would take losses over time. It's possible that he even planned on stabbing some in the back (the first guy with the Nilokeras, maybe?).
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Yuki is officially best character for calling Slaine a douchebag.
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you're getting defensive in a place you shouldn't. 'magical' is just a term deadoptimist decided to use, you understood her message so theres no need to feel like Inaho's been slighted. Besides magical means something removed from everyday life or resembling magic, which that eye sure as a hell seems to be (if you want to get literal). Also you can't say that Slaine getting the Tharsis is 'random.' A series of events lead up to him getting it. If you're complaint is its future seeing ability, blame the unexplained aldnoah powers in general.

My real question however is so do you think it would be perfectly fine if by the next episode Inaho & co. survive this massive onslaught of badass machines through teamwork, his strategies and his eye? If that were to happen, you'd see nothing wrong?


Yes depending on how it done i won't be bothered if they survive. In fact i am expecting most of them to survive.........we have three capable leaders vs 3 Martian Kats. Just because they teamed up doesn't mean they will have superb teamwork. Earth is more used to teamwork than Vers. Does putting 11 players on the same team make a awesome football team.......not really. That's one weakness they can exploit. Well it all depends on the next episode.

Do you people think killing off a bunch of named characters is the only way to make a good or deep show? I don't, i like to see how it's played out.


Your definitely right about the terrible teamwork of the Martians, of course if they really went down to earth together with the intention to work together and don't actually do just that they are unbelievably retarded and should really just retire--how dare they consider themselves a military let alone superior to Terrans if they don't learn from their mistakes. The authors would really just be treating them like disposable one-dimensional idiots. I mean they were even warned about what being cocky does and they've seen what the Deucalion can do.

But as for your death comment. I think you're really undervaluing how much impact character death can do. Plus considering this is a war anime, having no one or too little people die is a completely inaccurate representation of war. Forgetting the other terrans not apart of the main cast that have died, this anime follows the story of Inaho and crew, the one friend from the beginning is the only death. These characters have hardly experienced the hardships of war. Inaho can't honestly protect all his friends. Someone has got to die. Otherwise it anit realistic.
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Dragon_Slayer_X said:

Yes depending on how it done i won't be bothered if they survive. In fact i am expecting most of them to survive.........we have three capable leaders vs 3 Martian Kats. Just because they teamed up doesn't mean they will have superb teamwork. Earth is more used to teamwork than Vers. Does putting 11 players on the same team make a awesome football team.......not really. That's one weakness they can exploit. Well it all depends on the next episode.

Do you people think killing off a bunch of named characters is the only way to make a good or deep show? I don't, i like to see how it's played out.


It's all about establishing realism in the world you've created. I don't think that Inaho and company defeating martian kats will no major casualties (other than nameless soldiers) is believable in the story you are trying to tell. We are supposed to believe that Vers is completely dominating the entire planet, and we can see that their technology is vastly superior. It's like Vers' has an AK-47 with kevlar vests, and Earth has a handgun with only one round. How many times is Earth going to win in 10 rounds? 0? Maybe 1?

It doesn't matter if he is the greatest pilot to ever live, chances are that in one of these fights something is bound to go horribly wrong. To use your sport analogy-Upsets in sports rarely happen, but they happen every single time Inaho's team battles. They are outclassed, they should be fatigued, and they are at a huge disadvantage technologically. They are heavy underdogs, but we don't feel that way by following Inaho and his gang. We don't feel the loss and the hopelessness that Earth is feeling, because they always win. It doesn't sit right with me when I'm watching.
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Dragon_Slayer_X said:

Yes depending on how it done i won't be bothered if they survive. In fact i am expecting most of them to survive.........we have three capable leaders vs 3 Martian Kats. Just because they teamed up doesn't mean they will have superb teamwork. Earth is more used to teamwork than Vers. Does putting 11 players on the same team make a awesome football team.......not really. That's one weakness they can exploit. Well it all depends on the next episode.

Do you people think killing off a bunch of named characters is the only way to make a good or deep show? I don't, i like to see how it's played out.


It's all about establishing realism in the world you've created. I don't think that Inaho and company defeating martian kats will no major casualties (other than nameless soldiers) is believable in the story you are trying to tell. We are supposed to believe that Vers is completely dominating the entire planet, and we can see that their technology is vastly superior. It's like Vers' has an AK-47 with kevlar vests, and Earth has a handgun with only one round. How many times is Earth going to win in 10 rounds? 0? Maybe 1?

It doesn't matter if he is the greatest pilot to ever live, chances are that in one of these fights something is bound to go horribly wrong. To use your sport analogy-Upsets in sports rarely happen, but they happen every single time Inaho's team battles. They are outclassed, they should be fatigued, and they are at a huge disadvantage technologically. They are heavy underdogs, but we don't feel that way by following Inaho and his gang. We don't feel the loss and the hopelessness that Earth is feeling, because they always win. It doesn't sit right with me when I'm watching.


^ Thank you. Couldn't have said it better myself.
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i have to say i am quite interested in how the next episode will play out. i don't think team earth will get out ok from this fight.
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Yes depending on how it done i won't be bothered if they survive. In fact i am expecting most of them to survive.........we have three capable leaders vs 3 Martian Kats. Just because they teamed up doesn't mean they will have superb teamwork. Earth is more used to teamwork than Vers. Does putting 11 players on the same team make a awesome football team.......not really. That's one weakness they can exploit. Well it all depends on the next episode.

Do you people think killing off a bunch of named characters is the only way to make a good or deep show? I don't, i like to see how it's played out.


It's all about establishing realism in the world you've created. I don't think that Inaho and company defeating martian kats will no major casualties (other than nameless soldiers) is believable in the story you are trying to tell. We are supposed to believe that Vers is completely dominating the entire planet, and we can see that their technology is vastly superior. It's like Vers' has an AK-47 with kevlar vests, and Earth has a handgun with only one round. How many times is Earth going to win in 10 rounds? 0? Maybe 1?

It doesn't matter if he is the greatest pilot to ever live, chances are that in one of these fights something is bound to go horribly wrong. To use your sport analogy-Upsets in sports rarely happen, but they happen every single time Inaho's team battles. They are outclassed, they should be fatigued, and they are at a huge disadvantage technologically. They are heavy underdogs, but we don't feel that way by following Inaho and his gang. We don't feel the loss and the hopelessness that Earth is feeling, because they always win. It doesn't sit right with me when I'm watching.


So this "realism" of your depends on characters getting killed off? It can be done by making them struggle and without getting them killed off too. We have different view in that regard. I am a big fan of Gundam franchise so i am not really going to disagree with you fully on the "death" part but i prefer if they can pull it off without too much deaths and play it well enough. If people are going to go on about "OMG no one dies, this show is bad or poorly written" then that's their issue.

As for you second part, i disagree. You think the earth and Inaho's team had it easy because they didn't show any major characters death and that is the only way to show development? Because most of those things you mentioned are happening off screen and since we are seeing Inaho's and team POV we aren't going to get into the complete view of the war. But earth is still managing to fight back and hold their ground somewhat. They should have already been defeated in the 19 months Inaho was recovering if we go by the logic of "Inaho saves the day again".

Now as for Inaho's battles, is there a battle where he finished the battle with his mecha intact? The first fight against Trilliam depended on some nice teamwork. Second fight against Samurai dude depended on figuring out his weakness by making himself the decoy and his friends helping out which showed it's results in the second round. The third fight had them in a bind until Inaho figured out how to deflect the hands and Inko provided him with the positions and even then he couldn't completely do it alone, he missed the last few shots and Slaine arrived and saved them that time. After that they were in trouble when the Martian Kat transform and Deucalion saved them that time. The last battle against Saazbaum had him beaten up quite badly but he stayed calm and made use of the chance when Saazbaum focused on Yuki and Inko. Now for the second season, except for the first fight he was quite in trouble against Saazabum until Inko arrived.

If all those battle looked so easy and without tension or they hardly experienced the hardship of war even though they are risking their life against some of the strong opponents to some people because "Inaho wins" then nothing can be done since they are going to complain regardless. They struggled and managed to survive with their skills. That's how i like to view it. Besides after 19 episodes, it should be clear where the focus is in this show. It really isn't supposed to sit well with you because of wrong expectations.


I will just put Grey-zone's post here:

Grey-Zone said:
People are mixing up "Quality" and "Quantity" here, most likely due to false expectations.

This show was never about the war between Earth and Mars. It was always about Inaho and Slaine. Did you notice that screentime of other characters generally tended to rise and fall almost linear to their amount of direct and indirect interactions with either Inaho and Slaine?

How do you know that "everyone else" is getting "completely curbstomped" by Vers? That's just mere speculation. Sure, the earth side is currently the losing side, but over the season break earth was able to fight back quite a bit and while Inaho may have been one of the strongest pieces of the UFE, he could not have fought the whole war alone. The reason why we only see Inaho win all the time is because he is the most effective anti-Vers soldier, he is always sent to the strongest Aldnoah Kats. Since others can deal with Vers by themselves, Inaho is not present and therefore those battles are not shown to the audience.

To use Code Geass as an example: We only see the black rebellion battles in Code Geass. What the Chinese Federation does is only shown when Zero and Co. go there. EU is, aside from few snippets, not shown at all (I only watched the main series, don't know about the OVAs). So as you can see, limiting the perspective to the main characters, does not automatically mean that the show has "lazy writing". I guess the bonus material from the BDs goes more into the matters of war, but since I don't own them, I cannot tell for sure.

So once again: Expecting to see how the rest of the world is doing, is a wrong expectation in the first place and not something to blame the show about. It's not even something that COULD be done in mere 2 cours, when even Code Geass with 4 cours didn't attempt to do it.
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"Tragedies do happen"
OH MY GOD
Is the fake hime going to die?
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I was unhappy that Slaine was there when she woke up, but I'm glad she remembers Inaho.
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"Tragedies do happen"
OH MY GOD
Is the fake hime going to die?


More like he is going to try to murder the real princess if she finds out the truth -_-
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CookingPriest said:
DiaXisHD said:
"Tragedies do happen"
OH MY GOD
Is the fake hime going to die?


More like he is going to try to murder the real princess if she finds out the truth -_-

Why would he murder Asseylum?
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More like he is going to try to murder the real princess if she finds out the truth -_-

Why would he murder Asseylum?


Because she would be a threat to his power game?
Because he would still have a fake to delude himself in?
Because revenge against Inaho?
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Why would he murder Asseylum?


Because she would be a threat to his power game?
Because he would still have a fake to delude himself in?
Because revenge against Inaho?


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It's one thing to hate dislike Slaine, it's a completely different thing to twist facts to try and justify it to yourself and others.
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If Slaine doesn't get rekt soon I will probably be disappoint with this. That or someone else has to die.
I expect a certain girl to absolute hate him now. ヽ(゚Д゚)ノ
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Pretty decent last two episodes. As you'd expect having just moved over to the second half of the season, things are picking up a bit. Slaine's side of the story continues to be the only real plot line moving the narrative forward, though it looks like both sides will be converging based on how this episode finished. Not really sure what to expect from this coming encounter, you'd think with such a large scale battle there will be a few causalities on both sides but who knows.

I continue to look forward to the inevitable confrontation between Asseylum and Slaine once she properly realises the situation.
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Slaine's wish has changed. He has so much power and he also has Princess Lemrina.
But whatever he does, he will always lose to Inaho. Birds > Flowers.
At least Princess Asseylum doesn't have amnesia though, but she is recovering, thankfully.

Well, since Slaine can't take down Inaho, Slaine be like, "Why not have multiple enemies?"
Inaho will probably come out of this ambush alive, but I doubt there won't be any casualties in the Terran side.
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We all thought that Asseylum first word would be "Inaho". we were all wrong. 1st word is: "rittuo" then "Eddelrittuo" followed by: "Slaine" 6x. That would grant Slaine 6 lives of plot armor!


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We all thought that Asseylum first word would be "Inaho". we were all wrong. 1st word is: "rittuo" then "Eddelrittuo" followed by: "Slaine" 6x. That would grant Slaine 6 lives of plot armor!


No not really. Given she just repeated it like a machine because Slaine kept crying out his name to her. On the other hand she remembered her time with Inaho on her own when she saw the bird.
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Brilliant episode, but i don't know if I like this new deceitful Slaine
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Slaine's wish has changed. He has so much power and he also has Princess Lemrina.
But whatever he does, he will always lose to Inaho. Birds > Flowers.
At least Princess Asseylum doesn't have amnesia though, but she is recovering, thankfully.

Well, since Slaine can't take down Inaho, Slaine be like, "Why not have multiple enemies?"
Inaho will probably come out of this ambush alive, but I doubt there won't be any casualties in the Terran side.


Birds over flowers?
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Fireego said:
Slaine's wish has changed. He has so much power and he also has Princess Lemrina.
But whatever he does, he will always lose to Inaho. Birds > Flowers.
At least Princess Asseylum doesn't have amnesia though, but she is recovering, thankfully.

Well, since Slaine can't take down Inaho, Slaine be like, "Why not have multiple enemies?"
Inaho will probably come out of this ambush alive, but I doubt there won't be any casualties in the Terran side.


Change ? I think his wish had not change beyond the means of achieving it.
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Darklight0303 said:
matias067 said:
We all thought that Asseylum first word would be "Inaho". we were all wrong. 1st word is: "rittuo" then "Eddelrittuo" followed by: "Slaine" 6x. That would grant Slaine 6 lives of plot armor!


No not really. Given she just repeated it like a machine because Slaine kept crying out his name to her. On the other hand she remembered her time with Inaho on her own when she saw the bird.

Dear lord can we please let this girl recover her memories without the fandom going wild.C'mon let Inaho have his moments, when she saw the birds S1 she mentions Slaine's name and nobody gave a crap now she is seeing the birds again and mentions Inaho's name and everybody thinks she loves him?? Calm down man.
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No not really. Given she just repeated it like a machine because Slaine kept crying out his name to her. On the other hand she remembered her time with Inaho on her own when she saw the bird.

Dear lord can we please let this girl recover her memories without the fandom going wild.C'mon let Inaho have his moments, when she saw the birds S1 she mentions Slaine's name and nobody gave a crap now she is seeing the birds again and mentions Inaho's name and everybody thinks she loves him?? Calm down man.


I suggest you take your own advice. I never said anything about love and neither did the post I was replying to. He was talking about plotarmor which really was not given by the princess repeating a name mechanically as if she were a broken record.
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Darklight0303 said:
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Dear lord can we please let this girl recover her memories without the fandom going wild.C'mon let Inaho have his moments, when she saw the birds S1 she mentions Slaine's name and nobody gave a crap now she is seeing the birds again and mentions Inaho's name and everybody thinks she loves him?? Calm down man.


I suggest you take your own advice. I never said anything about love and neither did the post I was replying to. He was talking about plotarmor which really was not given by the princess repeating a name mechanically as if she were a broken record.

Well considering she only saw Slaine in S1 Ep1 , you could say its a heart touching reunion for Slaine, I guess having her repeat his name more than 10 times shows she had missed him.The garden part where she remembered Inaho was due to her recovering her memories of her times on Earth (Slaine was never there) so who do you think she was supposed to remember?
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I suggest you take your own advice. I never said anything about love and neither did the post I was replying to. He was talking about plotarmor which really was not given by the princess repeating a name mechanically as if she were a broken record.

Well considering she only saw Slaine in S1 Ep1 , you could say its a heart touching reunion for Slaine, I guess having her repeat his name more than 10 times shows she had missed him.The garden part where she remembered Inaho was due to her recovering her memories of her times on Earth (Slaine was never there) so who do you think she was supposed to remember?


Maybe if she'd put any kind of emotion in repeating his name. Which she didn't. She sounded like a broken machine. Compared to her remembering her time on earth the difference is enormous. Slaine had to repeat his name ot her over and over and over until she got it. The blank look on her face showed she didn't know who the hell he was when he first saw her awake. Edelrituo didn't have to say her name and Asseylum recognized her instantly.

I'm not arguing she could have remembered anyone else in the garden it's the fact that she remembered without as aggressive of an external stimulus as Slaine repeating his name and crying over and over. That's the difference. Again you seem to think the two of them have this lofty perfect romantic relationship when everything we've seen in the anime so far has proven it's platonic and that the romance is entirely onesided from Slaine's part.
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Hate on him as much as you want but I watch this anime for Slaine. It would be so boring if the focus was more on Inaho, Slaine is much more interesting in my opinion.
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Hate on him as much as you want but I watch this anime for Slaine. It would be so boring if the focus was more on Inaho, Slaine is much more interesting in my opinion.


He is a trainwreck so of course people watch him to see how he crashes and burns in the end.
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