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| Hm not much happened this episode apart from the Princess waking up O.O Multiple enemies at the end? I'm sure Inaho will sort them out no problem. Kind of exciting |
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| Dat ending so hyped for next episode. And Slaine Is a jerk for the way hre treats the princess. |
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KamiAlice said: So "people dying" somehow now is a criteria in rating a show? I'm sorry but what? I didn't know people had to die in order for a show to be good. Not in every show, but in show about war, where we see frontlines - definitely. Cause people die on the frontlines of a large-scale war, unless specified why not (in some fictional universes they can be immortal or something, but it should be stated). And A.Z even tries to be gritty. Sp logic demands characters to die from time to time in their situation. Also there're laws of storytelling. And normally in a war story you show how people are affected by constant death - usually it is done by showing death of a character that is important for the one, who holds the pov of the narrative. Or making us care for some side characters through brief interactions. Nothing like that is done in A.Z on terran side. And the recent attack is supposed to be especially dangerous. |
| Really good to see Marito making progress. I really miss Saazb |
Inugirlz said: Oh don't get defensive! Cliche was only referring to ZingFreelancer mentioning tiring cliffhangers, amnesia and slow recovery. Also please. You even use the word 'probably.' Just because Lemrina stopped before actually pulling the plug on Assyelum does not change the fact that she even considered it, went to the room and actually messed around with the machine enough to cause a reaction and did so behind his back. She's feeling regret for it now, good but see how people can have change of hearts? It could happen again. She started crying out of guilt. They both did things behind each other's back, if they're ever gonna be a proper team that needs to end. She doesn't have amnesia though, she clearly remembers things, she's just fuzzy on the details. She remembered Inaho, the boy she saw the birds with, she just couldn't make out his name. That's not a cliche, it's a real life occurrence after being in a coma. Cliffhangers are a necessity in a weekly series, if you're going to complain about cliffhangers wait till the series is over and marathon it instead, cliffhangers won't matter anymore. That can't even be called criticism, that's basic whining and nitpicking. So what's you're point about Lemrina? Didn't what you just say prove she wouldn't be capable of doing it even though she considered it? Isn't that exactly what I said, that Lemrina would have never pulled the plug? Yes she considered it, but now with today's episode we know she never would have had the heart to do it. |
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| Its funny how all the haters just up and vanished. Guess they thought it was best to duck out quietly then look like even bigger salty idiots who only hate something cause its popular. Things are really picked up in intensity. I like this! So many plots and lies are getting tangled. |
| Be sure to message me if you quoted me and want me to respond! Just give me a link to the forum, because usually I leave my comment, then leave the forum. |
Rebelhero said: Its funny how all the haters just up and vanished. Guess they thought it was best to duck out quietly then look like even bigger salty idiots who only hate something cause its popular. Things are really picked up in intensity. I like this! So many plots and lies are getting tangled. You realize you probably just jinxed us right? |
Inugirlz said: KamiAlice said: No it's pretty clear now that Lemrina would have probably never harmed Assyelum, while she does "hate her" in a sense she also pretty much stated that she admired her. She was acting like a spoiled brat but that's about it, she even began crying after slaine told her she got worse. oh and you mention "cliches" again... please mention what cliche was in this episode? Oh don't get defensive! Cliche was only referring to ZingFreelancer mentioning tiring cliffhangers, amnesia and slow recovery. Also please. You even use the word 'probably.' Just because Lemrina stopped before actually pulling the plug on Assyelum does not change the fact that she even considered it, went to the room and actually messed around with the machine enough to cause a reaction and did so behind his back. She's feeling regret for it now, good but see how people can have change of hearts? It could happen again. She started crying out of guilt. They both did things behind each other's back, if they're ever gonna be a proper team that needs to end. The aggravating, is related to the real reason, make the revolution, is realcionado your obsession with Asseylum, he thinks he's doing all this for the sake of Asseylum. The scene depicts roses well, the obsession that Slaine feel for Asseylum clearly seen that Slaine, feel jealous of Inaho. Slaine enloqueceu only OVIR the princess talking he saw the birds with that person, imagine if he finds that Inaho did mouth-to-mouth resuscitation in Asseylum. Can Slaine kill everyone, and destroy them all. and the scene with the flowers appeared, one of the obsession attacks Bizon, when Hina spoke Aoba name. As I said the only thing that is shown and depicted well in this anime, is the behavior of a person suffering obsession for another, and shows various stages of the disease |
Rebelhero said: Its funny how all the haters just up and vanished. Guess they thought it was best to duck out quietly then look like even bigger salty idiots who only hate something cause its popular. Things are really picked up in intensity. I like this! So many plots and lies are getting tangled. I used this technique sometimes when I watch anime where I ignore all the poor written scenes and just focus on all the good scenes, and before you know it, each episode is a 5/5 =D |
CookingPriest said: I would have compared to hitler but the whole working class bullshit and overturning royals cemented it for me. So I call him Stalin. Beacuse the only difference between t he two is that one is a communist. And hey - at least he is way ahead of Stalin - he already comitted genocide and massacres Stalin is famous about No, it's incorrect. Overturning nobles is a normal social revolution. It has happened in many countries. And Slaine has never stated that he will build socialism. |
deadoptimist said: KamiAlice said: So "people dying" somehow now is a criteria in rating a show? I'm sorry but what? I didn't know people had to die in order for a show to be good. Not in every show, but in show about war, where we see frontlines - definitely. Cause people die on the frontlines of a large-scale war, unless specified why not (in some fictional universes they can be immortal or something, but it should be stated). And A.Z even tries to be gritty. Sp logic demands characters to die from time to time in their situation. Also there're laws of storytelling. And normally in a war story you show how people are affected by constant death - usually it is done by showing death of a character that is important for the one, who holds the pov of the narrative. Or making us care for some side characters through brief interactions. Nothing like that is done in A.Z on terran side. And the recent attack is supposed to be especially dangerous. That is all depending on what the show is trying to do, you are focused way to much on the war that is mainly a secondary element to the plot. This story seems to be more of Slaine's rise to power, and the creation of a rebel group that opposes him. So depending on how the series ends we can't really judge it by "deaths of main characters." deadoptimist said: CookingPriest said: I would have compared to hitler but the whole working class bullshit and overturning royals cemented it for me. So I call him Stalin. Beacuse the only difference between t he two is that one is a communist. And hey - at least he is way ahead of Stalin - he already comitted genocide and massacres Stalin is famous about No, it's incorrect. Overturning nobles is a normal social revolution. It has happened in many countries. And Slaine has never stated that he will build socialism. I thought he implied that he was going to share Aldnoah power with the people, or give the people the right to distribute it or something like that? Isn't that one of the traits of socialism? |
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| So Slaine dug himself into a hole that he won't be able to dig out of and destroying Princess Ass's vision all in one sitting. I just don't know what to say aside from terrible character development (excluding Slaine) and the fact that the plot is not all that great. I won't be surprised if there is gonna be an asspull at the second to last episode but we'll just have to wait and see. |
| Asseylum's baaaaack. #FuckMartians |
| In this episode Slaine keeps being a bitch. |
deadoptimist said: CookingPriest said: I would have compared to hitler but the whole working class bullshit and overturning royals cemented it for me. So I call him Stalin. Beacuse the only difference between t he two is that one is a communist. And hey - at least he is way ahead of Stalin - he already comitted genocide and massacres Stalin is famous about No, it's incorrect. Overturning nobles is a normal social revolution. It has happened in many countries. And Slaine has never stated that he will build socialism. "this new age will be for people like us" Also what he said to Sazzybums about sharing aldnoah to everyone That IS communism. |
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KamiAlice said: She doesn't have amnesia though, she clearly remembers things, she's just fuzzy on the details. She remembered Inaho, the boy she saw the birds with, she just couldn't make out his name. That's not a cliche, it's a real life occurrence after being in a coma. Cliffhangers are a necessity in a weekly series, if you're going to complain about cliffhangers wait till the series is over and marathon it instead, cliffhangers won't matter anymore. That can't even be called criticism, that's basic whining and nitpicking. So what's you're point about Lemrina? Didn't what you just say prove she wouldn't be capable of doing it even though she considered it? Isn't that exactly what I said, that Lemrina would have never pulled the plug? Yes she considered it, but now with today's episode we know she never would have had the heart to do it. Notice that in this case I wasn't trying to imply the cliche was unnecessary or bad. Even if its a real life occurrence to trauma it's still using a cliche because its a common sceanrio seen throughout literature, and a reasonable one at that. I don't even particularly agree that it was a big cliffhanger, it ended at a reasonable moment and did its job. I don't know where this Lemrina conversation is going but I was only trying to point out that Slaine has reasonable grounds for not trusting her because of what she did-- but the fact that he's not even aware of these grounds makes it strange that he's choosing not to trust her and digging himself a deeper hole. From your first comment I got the impression you think Lemrina is harmless just because she didn't actually go through with it, but that can always change, so no she is fully capable of it. o123o said: KamiAlice x Inugirlz LOL no stahp! seujair31 said: The aggravating, is related to the real reason, make the revolution, is realcionado your obsession with Asseylum, he thinks he's doing all this for the sake of Asseylum. The scene depicts roses well, the obsession that Slaine feel for Asseylum clearly seen that Slaine, feel jealous of Inaho. Slaine enloqueceu only OVIR the princess talking he saw the birds with that person, imagine if he finds that Inaho did mouth-to-mouth resuscitation in Asseylum. Can Slaine kill everyone, and destroy them all. and the scene with the flowers appeared, one of the obsession attacks Bizon, when Hina spoke Aoba name. As I said the only thing that is shown and depicted well in this anime, is the behavior of a person suffering obsession for another, and shows various stages of the disease lol. It would really be just naive on his part if he actually believes he's doing all this for Asseylum. It should or will soon become clear to him that he's actually doing this for himself or rather because he's stuck with the consequences of his actions and therefore feels the need to see it through. That's even clear with him saying how he has no where to return to and by him realizing she actually cared about Inaho. |
| "Slaine...Slaine...Slaine... Slaine...Slaine...Slaine..." lmao |
CookingPriest said: deadoptimist said: No, it's incorrect. Overturning nobles is a normal social revolution. It has happened in many countries. And Slaine has never stated that he will build socialism. "this new age will be for people like us" Also what he said to Sazzybums about sharing aldnoah to everyone That IS communism. I feel like it is pretty hard to honestly compare something like Aldnoah to the real world socioeconomic systems such as Communism when Aldnoah is barely explained and seems infinite. It just feels like such a silly "resource." |
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VanishingKira said: "Slaine...Slaine...Slaine... Slaine...Slaine...Slaine..." lmao For a moment I thought it was more like: " Slaine? ..... Slaine? ....... Slaine? ...... " |
Inugirlz said: Notice that in this case I wasn't trying to imply the cliche was unnecessary or bad. Even if its a real life occurrence to trauma it's still using a cliche because its a common sceanrio seen throughout literature, and a reasonable one at that. I don't even particularly agree that it was a big cliffhanger, it ended at a reasonable moment and did its job. By definition cliche is something that has been overused so much that it has lost it's meaning. So by definition a cliche is a bad thing. As you have pointed out though, it is a real life occurrence to trauma therefore it will never lose it's meaning. You can call it predictable, or something along those lines since it's a better fitting term and it doesn't have a bad connotation. |
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| Wtf is Slaine doing like rly... I cant even..... |
Viktor_Otaku said: TBH I am gonna be disappointed if Inaho can actually wiggle his way out of this ambush with out losing a few squad members. Scratch that, now that Vers is actually reorganized, the UED are going to be hard pressed to hold them back. I want to see Marito to be the one to get them out of this mess. |
ANGRY2011 said: CookingPriest said: "this new age will be for people like us" Also what he said to Sazzybums about sharing aldnoah to everyone That IS communism. I feel like it is pretty hard to honestly compare something like Aldnoah to the real world socioeconomic systems such as Communism when Aldnoah is barely explained and seems infinite. It just feels like such a silly "resource." All fiction has parallels to reality (ex: valvrave, geass, gundam seed, having vibes of japanese nationalism and mistrust towards america). In this case we have a royal family in an impoverished country and a person who is trying to overthrow that family and implement socioeconomic equality. That IS how both Russian and German dictatorships rose to power, the difference being the "socioeconomic equality" part in motivation). I doubt they WANTED to parallel it to present russia, more like to one of the most destructive world wars in our history and the cold-war-situation escalation - and no one would pay too much attention to that(and more to the norse mythology symbolism), but sadly with the present events in Europe, that historical parallel became even stronger. The war itself is NOT over aldnoah - it is over earth's resources(just like in our world). Aldnoah I think is more like equivalent of nuclear research - an advancement that makes the situation all the more dangerous and destructive. (Note that slaine is not just talking about aldnoah but about the equalization of all classes in vers society so the aldnoah is equally available to them - aldnoah is not a resoure, its one of many privileges) |
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Leviathonlx said: Viktor_Otaku said: TBH I am gonna be disappointed if Inaho can actually wiggle his way out of this ambush with out losing a few squad members. Scratch that, now that Vers is actually reorganized, the UED are going to be hard pressed to hold them back. I won't be surprised if they ended with that just to have the next episode start with the 2 Counts that just entered the battle joining Inaho. CRUHTEO COMES BACK! I wanna dream okay |
Viktor_Otaku said: And Slaine taking the reins is basically the center point of the show. Not really he's just the final antagonist now. |
Viktor_Otaku said: And Slaine taking the reins is basically the center point of the show. Not really. The cenerpoint is the princess. Inaho's focused goal of freeing her andhis growing humanity. Slaine's fall from grace and abandonement of his dream. |
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| Slaine should just focus on the purple hair princess. Shes the best chick on the Martian side. Kinda like Inaho should just focus on his Onee-san. |
KamiAlice said: I thought he implied that he was going to share Aldnoah power with the people, or give the people the right to distribute it or something like that? Isn't that one of the traits of socialism? It is true that he said that he planned to give more possibilities to people like him and Harklight. But that doesn't really mean socialism yet. Social revolutions overthrow the aristocracy and royalty and give more opportunities to low born people, but that doesn't mean that socialism is installed - like February revolution in Russia or the processes that made England into constitutional monarchy. I don't remember the French installing socialism during their revolutions. It's unclear what Slaine's intentions towards aldnoah are. And frankly I don't know if it can be considered means of production... I mean, may we drop using Russia as a synonim to everything bad at least in a completely unrelated matter? |
deadoptimist said: I mean, may we drop using Russia as a synonim to everything bad at least in a completely unrelated matter? Sure, as soon as Russia stops BEING everything bad in geopolitical landsape. |
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Viktor_Otaku said: Darklight0303 said: Not really he's just the final antagonist now. Antagonist, protagonist, it really matter little. What matter is that Slaine had finally turned into the propelling force that will see this story to its final end. Slaine's choice has a far bigger impact than any of the character at this point. And really are you just hating him because he just so happened to be on the other side of the chess board ? No I just hate him for being a hypocrite and an idiot and an obsessed fool who didn't see he was becoming a monster until it was already too late |
KamiAlice said: By definition cliche is something that has been overused so much that it has lost it's meaning. So by definition a cliche is a bad thing. As you have pointed out though, it is a real life occurrence to trauma therefore it will never lose it's meaning. You can call it predictable, or something along those lines since it's a better fitting term and it doesn't have a bad connotation. Ok if that's the absolute definition then let's change the word to predictable or something, it seems at least that you understood what I was trying to say. Darklight0303 said: Leviathonlx said: I won't be surprised if they ended with that just to have the next episode start with the 2 Counts that just entered the battle joining Inaho. CRUHTEO COMES BACK! I wanna dream okay Honestly I want Crutheo back too. I feel like he'd produce some good drama. Of course bringing him in would be a repeat of Inaho, Saazbaum and Assyelum surviving season one's finale. Which is just a no. Stop not killing people! |
| I actually want Slaine to win the war. Fk the good guys, their characters are boring! |
ANGRY2011 said: I feel like it is pretty hard to honestly compare something like Aldnoah to the real world socioeconomic systems such as Communism when Aldnoah is barely explained and seems infinite. It just feels like such a silly "resource." It's only infinite in a sense of re-usability, but the fact that it can and is being controlled is still there. It's not like air (yes I know it isn't infinite) that can be accessed by everyone, everywhere (almost), and at anytime. It is limited in a sense that only those who are allowed to use it, can use it. I agree there is no indication that it can't be like air, accessed by all, there is also no indication that it can be. Still both socialism and communism have one overlapping factor, that is that a "resource/property/ect" should be publically owned and the production, distribution, and exchange should be regulated by the community as a whole. Which is exactly what slaine is trying to do with Aldnoah. There is no mention of the limited/unlimited quantity of the resource in neither socialism nor communism. |
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Darklight0303 said: Viktor_Otaku said: Antagonist, protagonist, it really matter little. What matter is that Slaine had finally turned into the propelling force that will see this story to its final end. Slaine's choice has a far bigger impact than any of the character at this point. And really are you just hating him because he just so happened to be on the other side of the chess board ? No I just hate him for being a hypocrite and an idiot and an obsessed fool who didn't see he was becoming a monster until it was already too late Yeah I found that Hilarious. Slaine: *spends 19 months being a monster* Slaine: OH SHIT PRINCESS IS AWAKENING. Slaine: Hm.....will she hate myclothes? :[ Aseylum: *talks about Inaho* Slaine: :<<<<<<<<< FFFFFFFFFFFFFFF- Slaine: Oh shit did I fuck up somewhere? ...Nevermind time to invade earth. |
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liavalon said: I actually want Slaine to win the war. Fk the good guys, their characters are boring! Slaine winning the war would end like this Knights get to Earth. Knights decide to keep earth to themselves and say fuck Mars Knights kill Slaine and take Lemrina or Asseylum. |
CookingPriest said: ANGRY2011 said: I feel like it is pretty hard to honestly compare something like Aldnoah to the real world socioeconomic systems such as Communism when Aldnoah is barely explained and seems infinite. It just feels like such a silly "resource." All fiction has parallels to reality (ex: valvrave, geass, gundam seed, having vibes of japanese nationalism and mistrust towards america). In this case we have a royal family in an impoverished country and a person who is trying to overthrow that family and implement socioeconomic equality. That IS how both Russian and German dictatorships rose to power, the difference being the "socioeconomic equality" part in motivation). I doubt they WANTED to parallel it to present russia, more like to one of the most destructive world wars in our history and the cold-war-situation escalation - and no one would pay too much attention to that(and more to the norse mythology symbolism), but sadly with the present events in Europe, that historical parallel became even stronger. The war itself is NOT over aldnoah - it is over earth's resources(just like in our world). Aldnoah I think is more like equivalent of nuclear research - an advancement that makes the situation all the more dangerous and destructive. (Note that slaine is not just talking about aldnoah but about the equalization of all classes in vers society so the aldnoah is equally available to them - aldnoah is not a resoure, its one of many privileges) Of course all fiction has parallels to reality, but that doesn't stop certain things from being seen as stretches or silly. That aside, the main reason I responded as I did was your mention of Slaine wanting to spread Aldnoah. Your longer, more in depth post is a much better picture of what you meant. I would point out though that the difference being the "'socioeconomic equality' part in motivation" could have wound up being a pretty interesting difference, but we all know the show isn't likely to end with Slaine being a "victor" of the situation, so we probably won't ever get to see anything come of it. As for your take on Aldnoah, I can't agree that I can see it just as game-changing research, since it appears to genuinely be an infinite resource of some kind, powering impossible machines for seemingly infinite time with no usage or depletion. Really, if they would just explain the damn thing it'd be more satisfying, but that doesn't seem to be the direction we are going with it. |
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kymano said: CookingPriest said: Yeah I found that Hilarious. Slaine: *spends 19 months being a monster* Slaine: OH SHIT PRINCESS IS AWAKENING. Slaine: Hm.....will she hate myclothes? :[ Aseylum: *talks about Inaho* Slaine: :<<<<<<<<< FFFFFFFFFFFFFFF- Slaine: Oh shit did I fuck up somewhere? ...Nevermind time to invade earth. Nope , Slaine's not angry over Inaho, if he was he would have killed him in ep 15, he is angry with himself, how the dirty scheme of Martian politics had changed him for the worse. Clearly he cannot back out now, his goal is to unite the counts under his authority and Counts need a show to be put on. He DID try to kill Inaho. He only got Saazbaum though. |
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Darklight0303 said: liavalon said: I actually want Slaine to win the war. Fk the good guys, their characters are boring! Slaine winning the war would end like this Knights get to Earth. Knights decide to keep earth to themselves and say fuck Mars Knights kill Slaine and take Lemrina or Asseylum. That's actually where I see this series going, well the first part at least. If my theory about this being a prequel series is correct, then it could very well end with slaine winning the war and becoming dictator/leader/someother word that fits, of the earth. The new series can deal with a rebel group that was initially formed by Inaho and co. trying to take down Slaine or something, all while there being a civil war in mars. Even if some of them die. We already saw the count that was released by Inaho making his moves, and the guy that was with blondie didn't seem to in favor of Slaine either. It was more of a hush don't talk about that stuff here, people could be listening, type of thing. Ahh who knows where this could be heading either way. Still though this series seems to be about Slaines rise to power, and Inaho's gathering of allies as well, with the centerpiece being the princess. There are plenty of ways they could take this. |
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