How would Ruler have worked with Shirou? (spoilers)

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VarunaBles said:
Jeeeeeeeaaaaaaannnee boom!

The amount of Jeanne clones made would definitely be a result of her being the main heroine in fsn. That's a given lol.

I'd go with emobubbles, but someone else already had it, damn bastard.

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emoblossom123 said:
This was briefly discussed on a saber thread, so I decided to make a thread dedicated to the question. How would fsn have differed if Jeanne d'arc was the saber shirou summoned instead of Arturia? I think it would make an interesting "what if" story.
Their personalities are slightly different as Jeanne is more open and playful compared to Arturia's stoic nature. But they both have large appetites and a strong sense of justice and will both fight honourably.

She'd be the ultimate waifu......

in a bad way....

Jan 2, 2015 2:49 PM

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SpaceHamster said:
I don't understand this question, considering Jeanne is Saber in F/SN.

They look similar, so they are the same.

arthur is saber in fsn

I'd go with emobubbles, but someone else already had it, damn bastard.

Jan 2, 2015 2:50 PM

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Obligatory:

I bet Shirou would have instantly deduced her identity.

emoblossom123 said:

SpaceHamster said:
I don't understand this question, considering Jeanne is Saber in F/SN.

They look similar, so they are the same.

arthur is saber in fsn

You don't understand jokes.

Jan 2, 2015 2:52 PM

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The freaking title is a spoiler <_<

Jan 2, 2015 2:53 PM

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StrayBotato said:
The freaking title is a spoiler <_<

Perhaps it should be changed to Ruler...

Jan 2, 2015 2:53 PM

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SpaceHamster said:
I'll answer seriously:

Since her magic resistance and NP + Abilities grant her invincibility, she would be far better than Arturia was in F/SN. Minus the part where she has to destroy the Grail in someway.

But this would be with the implication she would be in F/Z as well no?

You're missing this tiny little bit just this small problem called Ea.

Jan 2, 2015 2:54 PM

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CapsuleCore said:

StrayBotato said:
The freaking title is a spoiler <_<

Perhaps it should be changed to Ruler...

I don't care just change the name to something that isn't spoilery <.<

Jan 2, 2015 2:55 PM

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Jeanne is awesome.

Her appeal is hard to deny.

Her character is funny and easy to relate to.

I think she would have a more natural development with Shirou than Saber.

When will we have an anime dedicating to her?

Jan 2, 2015 2:55 PM

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StrayBotato said:
The freaking title is a spoiler <_<

How? Does it help the viewer deduce that Jeanne isn't saber's identity out of tons of other possible candidates? Not to mention Jeanne's identity in Apocrypha is revealed the first chapter she appears, so her name isn't anything shocking.

I'd go with emobubbles, but someone else already had it, damn bastard.

Jan 2, 2015 2:57 PM

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chickenonthepan said:
Jeanne is awesome.

Her appeal is hard to deny.

Her character is funny and easy to relate to.

I think she would have a more natural development with Shirou than Saber.

When will we have an anime dedicating to her?

Mhm she most likely wouldn't hide her identity and she probably would have approached the whole Servan - master relationship differently thus making the intial relationship between them different.

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emoblossom123 said:

StrayBotato said:
The freaking title is a spoiler <_<

How? Does it help the viewer deduce that Jeanne isn't saber's identity out of tons of other possible candidates?

What "tons of other possible candidates?"

Jeanne is literally the first thing every thinks of.

Jan 2, 2015 2:57 PM

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emoblossom123 said:
This was briefly discussed on a saber thread, so I decided to make a thread dedicated to the question. How would fsn have differed if Jeanne d'arc was the saber shirou summoned instead of Arturia? I think it would make an interesting "what if" story.
Their personalities are slightly different as Jeanne is more open and playful compared to Arturia's stoic nature. But they both have large appetites and a strong sense of justice and will both fight honourably.

Only half of that is true. Try guessing.

I actually want a Jeanne route, now. She can actually solve Sakura's problem with one of her NPs. And because, as a Ruler, she is given stuff, she can finish the HGW.

Her job and Shirou's thinking are similar/they don't really contradict.
Shirou wants to end the war
Jeanne wants to make sure things don't get out of hand

But Jeanne already has Gilles. So no romance^ Maybe a Big Sister figure that Taiga fails to be.

Hey, hey, guys. If Shirou summoned both 'Tori and Jeanne, would they be able to pass of as sisters to Taiga? *Imagination*

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emoblossom123 said:

StrayBotato said:
The freaking title is a spoiler <_<

How? Does it help the viewer deduce that Jeanne isn't saber's identity out of tons of other possible candidates?

Instead of trying to discuss it, you could just change the title and there is no problem. Jeanne is in most cases the first name people think of when they see Saber. And not everyone even knows about freaking Apocrypha.

Jan 2, 2015 2:59 PM

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mira-lala said:

emoblossom123 said:
This was briefly discussed on a saber thread, so I decided to make a thread dedicated to the question. How would fsn have differed if Jeanne d'arc was the saber shirou summoned instead of Arturia? I think it would make an interesting "what if" story.
Their personalities are slightly different as Jeanne is more open and playful compared to Arturia's stoic nature. But they both have large appetites and a strong sense of justice and will both fight honourably.

Only half of that is true. Try guessing.

I actually want a Jeanne route, now. She can actually solve Sakura's problem with one of her NPs. And because, as a Ruler, she is given stuff, she can finish the HGW.

Her job and Shirou's thinking are similar/they don't really contradict.
Shirou wants to end the war
Jeanne wants to make sure things don't get out of hand

But Jeanne already has Gilles. So no romance^ Maybe a Big Sister figure that Taiga fails out.

Hey, hey, guys. If Shirou summoned both 'Tori and Jeanne, would they be able to pass of as sisters to Taiga? *Imagination*

Somehow you're making it sound like Taiga is relevant.

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StrayBotato said:

emoblossom123 said:

How? Does it help the viewer deduce that Jeanne isn't saber's identity out of tons of other possible candidates?

What "tons of other possible candidates?"

Jeanne is literally the first thing every thinks of.

Really? Jeanne never crossed my mind as a heroic spirit until Gilles mentioned her name. And why is Saber's identity supposed to be shocking anyways? She's such a famous character that I'm pretty sure that most people by now know who her name is before even watching the series. It's like saying Vader is Luke's father is supposed to be a huge twist, but everyone knows it without even watching the movie, so it's no longer even a spoiler at this point.

I'd go with emobubbles, but someone else already had it, damn bastard.

Jan 2, 2015 3:03 PM

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Just change it to Ruler?
Or "What if Shirou had summoned....." (spoilers)

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CapsuleCore said:

emoblossom123 said:

How? Does it help the viewer deduce that Jeanne isn't saber's identity out of tons of other possible candidates?

Instead of trying to discuss it, you could just change the title and there is no problem. Jeanne is in most cases the first name people think of when they see Saber. And not everyone even knows about freaking Apocrypha.

I changed the title. Happy now? Now let's continue discussing.
imo: Jeanne seems like she would be fun to watch. The question being would she make a better sister or love interest. The creators would probably make her a love interest just because. They would probably ecchi-fy her too just like they did with saber.

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I'd go with emobubbles, but someone else already had it, damn bastard.

Jan 2, 2015 3:05 PM

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emoblossom123 said:

CapsuleCore said:

Instead of trying to discuss it, you could just change the title and there is no problem. Jeanne is in most cases the first name people think of when they see Saber. And not everyone even knows about freaking Apocrypha.

I changed the title. Happy now?

Good. And no one has a problem anymore. That wasn't too difficult.

Jan 2, 2015 3:08 PM

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CapsuleCore said:

emoblossom123 said:

I changed the title. Happy now?

Good. And no one has a problem anymore. That wasn't too difficult.

PapaCore saved the day, yata!

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StrayBotato said:

What "tons of other possible candidates?"

Jeanne is literally the first thing every thinks of.

Really? Jeanne never crossed my mind as a heroic spirit until Gilles mentioned her name. And why is Saber's identity supposed to be shocking anyways? She's such a famous character that I'm pretty sure that most people by now know who her name is before even watching the series. It's like saying Vader is Luke's father is supposed to be a huge twist, but everyone knows it without even watching the movie, so it's no longer even a spoiler at this point.

emoblossom123 said:

StrayBotato said:

What "tons of other possible candidates?"

Jeanne is literally the first thing every thinks of.

Really? Jeanne never crossed my mind as a heroic spirit until Gilles mentioned her name. And why is Saber's identity supposed to be shocking anyways? She's such a famous character that I'm pretty sure that most people by now know who her name is before even watching the series. It's like saying Vader is Luke's father is supposed to be a huge twist, but everyone knows it without even watching the movie, so it's no longer even a spoiler at this point.

Because King Arthur is not a girl...

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Jan 2, 2015 3:19 PM

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emoblossom123 said:

StrayBotato said:

What "tons of other possible candidates?"

Jeanne is literally the first thing every thinks of.

Really? Jeanne never crossed my mind as a heroic spirit until Gilles mentioned her name. And why is Saber's identity supposed to be shocking anyways? She's such a famous character that I'm pretty sure that most people by now know who her name is before even watching the series. It's like saying Vader is Luke's father is supposed to be a huge twist, but everyone knows it without even watching the movie, so it's no longer even a spoiler at this point.

False. There are still new viewers who have no idea who Saber is. Fate/ is not as popular nor as old as Star Wars.

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I can assure you that not everyone knows Luke's father. Nor does everyone know Saber's identity, which in comparison to Star Wars is far less known, so instead of trying to jusitfy why your title isn't a spoiler, which it is, you could have just changed it immediately.

Jan 2, 2015 3:32 PM

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Isn't it one of the more popular series among the anime community?

I'd go with emobubbles, but someone else already had it, damn bastard.

Jan 2, 2015 3:33 PM

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emoblossom123 said:

mira-lala said:
Because King Arthur is not a girl...

and luke was told his father was dead, but guess what everyone knows?

I assure you that Shirou never watched Star Wars.

Plus, King Arthur had a wife and a "child". It would make no sense if it was Saber.

Even Nasu had to retcon it by adding Merlin.

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emoblossom123 said:

There are still new viewers that don't know.

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I can assure you that not everyone knows Luke's father. Nor does everyone know Saber's identity, which in comparison to Star Wars is far less known, so instead of trying to jusitfy why your title isn't a spoiler, which it is, you could have just changed it immediately.

The title was a minor spoiler. Not a huge one. I'll admit that the spoiler I unintentionally made about rin's archer in some other thread was a huge spoiler, but I don't see how this spoiler is anything major to the plot as a whole. Ruling out Jeanne as not saber isn't anything shocking.

I'd go with emobubbles, but someone else already had it, damn bastard.

Jan 2, 2015 4:10 PM

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Somebody write a good fanfic pls.

Also, Apocrypha Anime please Ufotable.

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emoblossom123 said:

CapsuleCore said:
I can assure you that not everyone knows Luke's father. Nor does everyone know Saber's identity, which in comparison to Star Wars is far less known, so instead of trying to jusitfy why your title isn't a spoiler, which it is, you could have just changed it immediately.

The title was a minor spoiler. Not a huge one. I'll admit that the spoiler I unintentionally made about rin's archer in some other thread was a huge spoiler, but I don't see how this spoiler is anything major to the plot as a whole. Ruling out Jeanne as not saber isn't anything shocking.

Okay. It's a minor spoiler. But a minor spoiler is also a spoiler.

There is nothing else to say. It's not about the shock factor. Take new viewers into consideration, who know nothing about Fate/ and wish to speculate. It's not uncommon that people think Saber might be Jeanne.

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If Ruler have worked with Shirou.

Ruler...

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mira-lala said:

emoblossom123 said:

and luke was told his father was dead, but guess what everyone knows?

I assure you that Shirou never watched Star Wars.

Plus, King Arthur had a wife and a "child". It would make no sense if it was Saber.

Even Nasu had to retcon it by adding Merlin.

He didn't really add Merlin he was already there, Nasu merely "expanded" his role.

Still seeing how a Jeanne rout would play out would be awesome.

Like how would she do in the first fight with Lancer?

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If Ruler have worked with Shirou.

Ruler...

His enhancing magic would make him and ruler the perfect team. Way better than his partnership with the rolled up poster

I'd go with emobubbles, but someone else already had it, damn bastard.

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Would an H- scene work?

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Would an H- scene work?

Jeanne being cute and Shirou being cuter? *u*

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DocAwesome said:
Would an H- scene work?

Jeanne being cute and Shirou being cuter? *u*

Jeanne?

Look at this post again:

emoblossom123 said:

chickenonthepan said:
If Ruler have worked with Shirou.

Ruler...

His enhancing magic would make him and ruler the perfect team. Way better than his partnership with the rolled up poster

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Wait Saber isn't Jeanne D'arc? This is news to me.

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CapsuleCore said:

emoblossom123 said:

The title was a minor spoiler. Not a huge one. I'll admit that the spoiler I unintentionally made about rin's archer in some other thread was a huge spoiler, but I don't see how this spoiler is anything major to the plot as a whole. Ruling out Jeanne as not saber isn't anything shocking.

Okay. It's a minor spoiler. But a minor spoiler is also a spoiler.

There is nothing else to say. It's not about the shock factor. Take new viewers into consideration, who know nothing about Fate/ and wish to speculate. It's not uncommon that people think Saber might be Jeanne.

Alright

I'd go with emobubbles, but someone else already had it, damn bastard.

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Feaor said:
Wait Saber isn't Jeanne D'arc? This is news to me.

Way to spoil this poor soul, OP.

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mira-lala said:

DocAwesome said:
Would an H- scene work?

Jeanne being cute and Shirou being cuter? *u*

Kawaii overload!!!

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DocAwesome said:

mira-lala said:

Jeanne being cute and Shirou being cuter? *u*

Kawaii overload!!!

The amount of GillesXJeanne with "our good friend Ryo-bro who is just a swell Lad" F/Z fanart I had to go through means you guys owe me some brain bleach for these.

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DocAwesome said:

Kawaii overload!!!

The amount of GillesXJeanne with "our good friend Ryo-bro who is just a swell Lad" F/Z fanart I had to go through means you guys owe me some brain bleach for these.

Jeanne boom is happening?

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she would've ended being better than saber

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DaveSama said:
she would've ended being better than saber

+1

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chickenonthepan said:

WrongPriest said:

The amount of GillesXJeanne with "our good friend Ryo-bro who is just a swell Lad" F/Z fanart I had to go through means you guys owe me some brain bleach for these.

Jeanne boom is happening?

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Fix those images plz...

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