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Dec 31, 2014 1:40 AM
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DrGeroCreation said:
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After recently catching to Bleach, i've got one thing to ask: AIZEN VS BACH WHEN????.........that would be like, the biggest Troll-Fight ever
His Majesty would completely rek chatterbox, pretty boy Butterflyzen. He would defeat him so quick that he would have time to spare to go to the barber and get a new badass moustache.



Juha Bach best thing to happen for Bleach!
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sullynathan said:
Dissapointed with Kuroko's basketball. I was expecting over the top basketball that would get me hyped. Instead I got a lot of talking, the animation isn't as good as I expected and a little bit of homoerotic Action

I'd say it gets better.
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sullynathan said:
Dissapointed with Kuroko's basketball. I was expecting over the top basketball that would get me hyped. Instead I got a lot of talking, the animation isn't as good as I expected and a little bit of homoerotic Action

The season two is where it become Saiyan No Basketbal.
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Ryukatsuka said:
Hand_of_the_King said:
After recently catching to Bleach, i've got one thing to ask: AIZEN VS BACH WHEN????.........that would be like, the biggest Troll-Fight ever

You mean the most one sided. The pecking order in the series was already established quite a while ago. Aizen is a big bad. Yhwach is a bigger bad.


Okay,I was moreso referring to their abilties rather than their Power-Levels
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Hand_of_the_King said:
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You mean the most one sided. The pecking order in the series was already established quite a while ago. Aizen is a big bad. Yhwach is a bigger bad.


Okay,I was moreso referring to their abilties rather than their Power-Levels

Aizen's Bankai is a wildcard, so it might save his ass. It still probably wouldn't change much though, since Yhwach has shown to walk right through stronger opponents.
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tr1ckst3r said:
sullynathan said:
Dissapointed with Kuroko's basketball. I was expecting over the top basketball that would get me hyped. Instead I got a lot of talking, the animation isn't as good as I expected and a little bit of homoerotic Action

The season two is where it become Saiyan No Basketbal.
IMO KnB is the best sports anime next to Haikyuu!!.
Dec 31, 2014 3:32 AM

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Milk_is_Special said:
tr1ckst3r said:

The season two is where it become Saiyan No Basketbal.
IMO KnB is the best sports anime next to Haikyuu!!.

No, Eyeshield 21 takes the cake for me.
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Milk_is_Special said:
tr1ckst3r said:

The season two is where it become Saiyan No Basketbal.
IMO KnB is the best sports anime next to Haikyuu!!.


IMO this makes sense when those 2 are the only sports anime you've watched, lol.
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IMO KnB is the best sports anime next to Haikyuu!!.


IMO this makes sense when those 2 are the only sports anime you've watched, lol.
Is there a problem with that?

Edit: Air Gear is a sports anime too... <.<
Dec 31, 2014 4:42 AM

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sullynathan said:

I can't wait through 25 episodes of boring talking just to get to the "good" parts


Don't worry, season one has plenty of goodness too.

Also guys, the best sports anime is objectively Hajime No Ippo let's not even play.
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SuperRed said:
What think ye of Shiro Emiya? Is he a generic shonen protagonist or not?


he is one of the worst MC... he is up there with kirito and eren.... these three are so fucking annoying and ruin their series...

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Anyway SZ is so fucking overrated.. yeah it was a nice watch and a big improvement from FSN but its in no way the masterpiece some people claim it to be...

not to mention that is one of the biggest offenders when it comes to OP MC and plot armor...
and the fact that Giglamesh is so Haxed ruins every sense of excitement and its downgrading for the already known heroes that are been used as servants...
Many battles tend to be boring cause they mostly spams beams and stuff from their weapons...
Saber is also very boring
the holy grail and the related stuff are very vague and unexplained
Kiritsugu is your typical i want to recreate the world villain.... but at least they didnt tried to make us sympathize with him so hard as in Naruto...




the biggest pros is the animation and its a battle royal so of course its going to be enjoyable...

i wont even botehr with FSN cause it was pure trash

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FSN and FZ would be so much better if they were 11 episodes. My main problem with the series is those anticlimatic fight that ended because a character decided for some strange reason that he should not continue fighting.
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its pretty bad but at-least the animation is so damn good you cant not watch it for those fights (last episode i literally skipped everything but the fights there is no way i was gonna watch that date)

also it would be nice if Noble phantasms worked on saber she literally has brushed everything off it really degrades the so called "power" of noble phantasms
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i really like the music an animation that Fate has but yeah the fights are underwhelming, they either get interrupted or whoever seems to be winning claims at some point "thats enough ill let you go" which makes the fights pointless, id be fine if that happened evry once in a while instead of all the time
though luckily the older version is one of those few anime that i dont remember almost anything about it, so im not getting spoiled on key moments for the new version
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At least there was a reason for them to interrupt every fight, not that I cared or liked it. Also Shirou is not the only one who is boring, Saber and Rin are close contenders. At least Archer saves the day sometimes. If not for amazing animation,soundtrack and sporadic action scenes it would probably burn in my "dropped" list.
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Dec 31, 2014 9:55 AM
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the power of animation though.... SAO, FS they wouldn't be so popular and be held in high regards if not the animation.....
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sunnyphoenix said:
the power of animation though.... SAO, FS they wouldn't be so popular and be held in high regards if not the animation.....
Except both the LN for SAO and VN for FSN were very popular before they even got anime <.<

FSN in particular has been popular since 2004.
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the power of animation though.... SAO, FS they wouldn't be so popular and be held in high regards if not the animation.....
Except both the LN for SAO and VN for FSN were very popular before they even got anime <.<

FSN in particular has been popular since 2004.


This.

Animation never was and never will be the sole reason for something to become popular. Sure it helps. A little. Maybe.
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sunnyphoenix said:
the power of animation though.... SAO, FS they wouldn't be so popular and be held in high regards if not the animation.....

whoever says SAO still has good animation after the 2nd season doesn't have a good eye for animation, besides they'd totally still be popular without good animation because of the franchises they come from
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Except both the LN for SAO and VN for FSN were very popular before they even got anime <.<

FSN in particular has been popular since 2004.


This.

Animation never was and never will be the sole reason for something to become popular. Sure it helps. A little. Maybe.


It tends to be a pretty big one though. There are some people that hold series in high regard solely for their animation and berate other series that don't have comparable quality.
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Dec 31, 2014 10:44 AM

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This.

Animation never was and never will be the sole reason for something to become popular. Sure it helps. A little. Maybe.


It tends to be a pretty big one though. There are some people that hold series in high regard solely for their animation and berate other series that don't have comparable quality.
Well if we're talking about anime original stories or people that don't read the source material, you could be right. But then again KLK is loved by many, so yeah, it's debatable.
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RedRoseFring said:
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This.

Animation never was and never will be the sole reason for something to become popular. Sure it helps. A little. Maybe.


It tends to be a pretty big one though. There are some people that hold series in high regard solely for their animation and berate other series that don't have comparable quality.

still doesn't mean that they're popular
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sunnyphoenix said:
Anyway SZ is so fucking overrated.. yeah it was a nice watch and a big improvement from FSN but its in no way the masterpiece some people claim it to be...

not to mention that is one of the biggest offenders when it comes to OP MC and plot armor...

What OP MC? And explain the plot armors instead of posting vague accusations.
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and the fact that Giglamesh is so Haxed ruins every sense of excitement and its downgrading for the already known heroes that are been used as servants...

He's a demigod so of course his stats would be higher than other servants.
sunnyphoenix said:
Many battles tend to be boring cause they mostly spams beams and stuff from their weapons..

Saber is the only one that spams that "so called beams" and guess what this is a battle royal between Mages. Again the vague accusations without any backed up evidence.
sunnyphoenix said:
Saber is also very boring

Subjective.
sunnyphoenix said:
the holy grail and the related stuff are very vague and unexplained

You probably didn't pay attention. What was unexplained?
sunnyphoenix said:
Kiritsugu is your typical i want to recreate the world villain.... but at least they didnt tried to make us sympathize with him so hard as in Naruto...

lol what? Let me make it short for you since you failed to grasp his character even after watching the series.

He's a pragmatic anti hero that follows his ideals of utilitarianism to save people.
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You should have seriously stopped after OP mc...
Dec 31, 2014 12:31 PM

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The battle Angel Alita ova is a disgrace to the greatest Sci-Fi manga of all time
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Why is it that some people treat events that happen in a flashback in a series as a completely different entity? Things and people that appear in the past are treated as irrelevant by some, as if it is just something you can take out from the story and judge by itself.
It's a weird mentality of "this event doesn't matter because it took place at a different time."
It's almost akin to watching just one episode of a series then turning off the screen saying "the future doesn't matter, only the present counts so I'll focus on that alone."
Thoughts?
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Dec 31, 2014 12:49 PM

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StrayBotato said:
sunnyphoenix said:
the power of animation though.... SAO, FS they wouldn't be so popular and be held in high regards if not the animation.....
Except both the LN for SAO and VN for FSN were very popular before they even got anime <.<

FSN in particular has been popular since 2004.
Besides the art style and animation why is Fate popular though? Is it because of the story or characters? I watched UBW 2014 and it was good but not the best thing ever like Fate wankers make it out to be on this site.
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Why is it that some people treat events that happen in a flashback in a series as a completely different entity? Things and people that appear in the past are treated as irrelevant by some, as if it is just something you can take out from the story and judge by itself.
It's a weird mentality of "this event doesn't matter because it took place at a different time."
It's almost akin to watching just one episode of a series then turning off the screen saying "the future doesn't matter, only the present counts so I'll focus on that alone."
Thoughts?

I blame naruto for that, since it used so many flashbacks everyone hates it now.
No matter how meaningful, well done and important it is, it's instantly regarded as trash and filler.
Another example of brainwashing and peer pressure in the anime community :(
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sullynathan said:
The battle Angel Alita ova is a disgrace to the greatest Sci-Fi manga of all time

I'm too scared to watch it, mind summarizing why it was bad?
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You should have seriously stopped after OP mc...


lolololololol not people acting like saber isnt op....
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gedata said:
sullynathan said:
The battle Angel Alita ova is a disgrace to the greatest Sci-Fi manga of all time

I'm too scared to watch it, mind summarizing why it was bad?

It squeezes volume 1 and 2 into two 30 minute ovas. It mixes them up together and introduces anime original characters. The voice acting is horrible and incredibly over the top. The animation is trash.
They completely ignore all the character development of makaku and Zapan.
It has too many anime original things that change how scenes played out in the manga.
The only good part is that yugo's character is done well but his relationship with Alita is butchered
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Fate/Stay Night unlimited budget works isn't that good. It's only a step above the deen version which is mostly due to its better animation
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Z4k said:
sunnyphoenix said:
Anyway SZ is so fucking overrated.. yeah it was a nice watch and a big improvement from FSN but its in no way the masterpiece some people claim it to be...

not to mention that is one of the biggest offenders when it comes to OP MC and plot armor...

What OP MC? And explain the plot armors instead of posting vague accusations.
sunnyphoenix said:
and the fact that Giglamesh is so Haxed ruins every sense of excitement and its downgrading for the already known heroes that are been used as servants...

He's a demigod so of course his stats would be higher than other servants.
sunnyphoenix said:
Many battles tend to be boring cause they mostly spams beams and stuff from their weapons..

Saber is the only one that spams that "so called beams" and guess what this is a battle royal between Mages. Again the vague accusations without any backed up evidence.
sunnyphoenix said:
Saber is also very boring

Subjective.
sunnyphoenix said:
the holy grail and the related stuff are very vague and unexplained

You probably didn't pay attention. What was unexplained?
sunnyphoenix said:
Kiritsugu is your typical i want to recreate the world villain.... but at least they didnt tried to make us sympathize with him so hard as in Naruto...

lol what? Let me make it short for you since you failed to grasp his character even after watching the series.

He's a pragmatic anti hero that follows his ideals of utilitarianism to save people.



1. Saber is fucking op i dont have to go in detail about that... as for the plot armor haven't u watched her battles?

2. IDC if he is a demigod... the fact that he is haxed make she whole battle tournament less excited and thrilling cause guess what? we know that the Mc will win her fights but now we know that he will win his.... and we know that the 2 last standing will be them.... i get it for Saber she is the Mc and at least her fights wasnt a walk in the park but he just goes in ans hyper beam everything... this ,make the whole battle royal boring...

3. u have to guess harder cause its a battle between mages that use... guess what? warriors with weapons!!.... her fights are 80% of the total fights though -_- and i also remember berserk acting like superman.... lol

4. As subjective as your opinion ;)

5. didnt he want word peace and didnt matter what the cost in order to achieve it/ enlighten me if i am wrong

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RedRoseFring said:
Why is it that some people treat events that happen in a flashback in a series as a completely different entity? Things and people that appear in the past are treated as irrelevant by some, as if it is just something you can take out from the story and judge by itself.
It's a weird mentality of "this event doesn't matter because it took place at a different time."
It's almost akin to watching just one episode of a series then turning off the screen saying "the future doesn't matter, only the present counts so I'll focus on that alone."
Thoughts?

They didn't count since they died in a flahsback, obligatory One Piece argument when it comes to character that died in One Piece.
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RedRoseFring said:
Why is it that some people treat events that happen in a flashback in a series as a completely different entity? Things and people that appear in the past are treated as irrelevant by some, as if it is just something you can take out from the story and judge by itself.
It's a weird mentality of "this event doesn't matter because it took place at a different time."
It's almost akin to watching just one episode of a series then turning off the screen saying "the future doesn't matter, only the present counts so I'll focus on that alone."
Thoughts?
I agree. Sometimes people just treat them as filler and even skip them or tell people to skip them, and I'm like what are you watching the anime then for? Flashbacks are used to show you more of the story and to provide background which may be important. If that is filler than what reason could you possibly have for watching it because it can't be for the story, characters, etc.

Partly connected but a lot of people watch anime/read manga to just experience it fast, what's the point in that. Skip the filler as it will cut off a lot of episodes, don't want you to enjoy more of the series. Read the manga as it takes way less time to read, don't worry about animation/music/voices, etc.
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RedRoseFring said:
Why is it that some people treat events that happen in a flashback in a series as a completely different entity? Things and people that appear in the past are treated as irrelevant by some, as if it is just something you can take out from the story and judge by itself.
It's a weird mentality of "this event doesn't matter because it took place at a different time."
It's almost akin to watching just one episode of a series then turning off the screen saying "the future doesn't matter, only the present counts so I'll focus on that alone."
Thoughts?


People actually do this?
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tr1ckst3r said:
RedRoseFring said:
Why is it that some people treat events that happen in a flashback in a series as a completely different entity? Things and people that appear in the past are treated as irrelevant by some, as if it is just something you can take out from the story and judge by itself.
It's a weird mentality of "this event doesn't matter because it took place at a different time."
It's almost akin to watching just one episode of a series then turning off the screen saying "the future doesn't matter, only the present counts so I'll focus on that alone."
Thoughts?

They didn't count since they died in a flahsback, obligatory One Piece argument when it comes to character that died in One Piece.


exactly.. people just use it wherever it suits their arguments... its really very laughable when they do that....
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gedata said:
RedRoseFring said:
Why is it that some people treat events that happen in a flashback in a series as a completely different entity? Things and people that appear in the past are treated as irrelevant by some, as if it is just something you can take out from the story and judge by itself.
It's a weird mentality of "this event doesn't matter because it took place at a different time."
It's almost akin to watching just one episode of a series then turning off the screen saying "the future doesn't matter, only the present counts so I'll focus on that alone."
Thoughts?


People actually do this?
I was thinking the same thing. I've never seen anyone do that.
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You should have seriously stopped after OP mc...


lolololololol not people acting like saber isnt op....
Debatable but that's irrelevant because she isn't the mc wtf.
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gedata said:
RedRoseFring said:
Why is it that some people treat events that happen in a flashback in a series as a completely different entity? Things and people that appear in the past are treated as irrelevant by some, as if it is just something you can take out from the story and judge by itself.
It's a weird mentality of "this event doesn't matter because it took place at a different time."
It's almost akin to watching just one episode of a series then turning off the screen saying "the future doesn't matter, only the present counts so I'll focus on that alone."
Thoughts?


People actually do this?


An example was just given above. Some people treat characters from flashbacks as irrelevant, like when discussing character deaths. Or when discussing arcs they say "minus the flashback" as if it is just something that is dissociated from the current events.
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StrayBotato said:
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lolololololol not people acting like saber isnt op....
Debatable but that's irrelevant because she isn't the mc wtf.


well i meant her... who cares about her trainer.. its the pokemon that matters
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Debatable but that's irrelevant because she isn't the mc wtf.


well i meant her... who cares about her trainer.. its the pokemon that matters
Fine.

How is she OP? Please go into detail.
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People actually do this?


An example was just given above. Some people treat characters from flashbacks as irrelevant, like when discussing character deaths. Or when discussing arcs they say "minus the flashback" as if it is just something that is dissociated from the current events.

Oh I guess that makes sense. I guess the rationale behind the argument against One Piece it is that it's far easier to kill off characters for the sake of making the character that flashback focuses on sympathetic. Flashbacks operate under different rules as opposed to the main stories in One Piece. Flashbacks have to end tragically, whilst the main story of each arc has to end with the bad guy getting the crap kicked out of him, a huge feast, and no major casualties on either side.

Besides, flashbacks are entirely different stories that have their own beginning middle and end that sometimes get shoehorned in jarringly during a big climax, so I can see why liberal use of them might seem annoying.
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gedata said:
RedRoseFring said:


An example was just given above. Some people treat characters from flashbacks as irrelevant, like when discussing character deaths. Or when discussing arcs they say "minus the flashback" as if it is just something that is dissociated from the current events.

Oh I guess that makes sense. I guess the rationale behind the argument against One Piece it is that it's far easier to kill off characters for the sake of making the character that flashback focuses on sympathetic. Flashbacks operate under different rules as opposed to the main stories in One Piece. Flashbacks have to end tragically, whilst the main story of each arc has to end with the bad guy getting the crap kicked out of him, a huge feast, and no major casualties on either side.

Besides, flashbacks are entirely different stories that have their own beginning middle and end that sometimes get shoehorned in jarringly during a big climax, so I can see why liberal use of them might seem annoying.


Of course that isn't always the case, and it is far more reasonable seeing as the past dictates the conflict in the present.
Flashbacks are not entirely different, as they almost always invariably tie into the events of the present. I am not talking about flashbacks like in Naruto that just repeat what has already been show, but those that reveal the context behind the situations in the present.
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well i meant her... who cares about her trainer.. its the pokemon that matters
Fine.

How is she OP? Please go into detail.


i dont need to.. i find her OP... if u dont then go into detail and prove me wrong...
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1. Saber is fucking op i dont have to go in detail about that... as for the plot armor haven't u watched her battles?

2. IDC if he is a demigod... the fact that he is haxed make she whole battle tournament less excited and thrilling cause guess what? we know that the Mc will win her fights but now we know that he will win his.... and we know that the 2 last standing will be them.... i get it for Saber she is the Mc and at least her fights wasnt a walk in the park but he just goes in ans hyper beam everything... this ,make the whole battle royal boring...

3. u have to guess harder cause its a battle between mages that use... guess what? warriors with weapons!!.... her fights are 80% of the total fights though -_- and i also remember berserk acting like superman.... lol

4. As subjective as your opinion ;)

5. didnt he want word peace and didnt matter what the cost in order to achieve it/ enlighten me if i am wrong


1. She's not the mc so you failed there. And do you understand what the "Saber class" is in the grail war?. Its one of the three knight classes along with Lancer and Archer. The servants summoned in Saber class is stronger than the others usually because of high ratings in all categories.

2. Saber isn't the mc so you failed here again. One of the reason Gilgamesh is strong is also because his vault is filled with noblephantasms. And he's a DEMIGOD so of course he's going to be strong. Can you not understand that?

3. "Her fights are 80% of the total fights though -_-"

There are 13 total fights I could count in Fate/zero and these are the ones where she didn't have a major role

Berserker vs Gilgamesh
Kayneth vs Kiritsugu
Kirei vs Maiya and Iri
Gilgamesh vs Berserker (dogfight)
Gilgamesh vs Rider
Kirei vs Kiritsugu.

Now does that look 80 percent?

4. Yes when you said F/Z is overrated that was just your opinion too.

5. You called him a typical villain who wants to recreate the world. Learn to know the difference between anti-hero and villians.

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Fine.

How is she OP? Please go into detail.


i dont need to.. i find her OP... if u dont then go into detail and prove me wrong...

Mind projection fallacy all the way.

Try harder next time.
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sunnyphoenix said:
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Fine.

How is she OP? Please go into detail.


i dont need to.. i find her OP... if u dont then go into detail and prove me wrong...
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Can someone explain why on earth is Fate/Zero being discussed here?
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Can someone explain why on earth is Fate/Zero being discussed here?
Someone is pissed because it's a shit series due to having an OP mc with lots of plot armor.

Usually 2 things would be wrong with that sentence. But this guy thinks Saber is the mc, so it's actually 3 things that are wrong.
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It’s time to ditch the text file.
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