| Those first 2 episodes still had the best animation though. |
 Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
| Anyone already posted how lewd Shirou is with swords? |
| A sword shallower through and through. |
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| I wish ufo added scenes for shirou's fascination with swords up till now. But alas, I do not expect them to adapt shirou correctly anymore... |
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| The only setup they did was have him say he's better at strengthening bladed objects and that's a weak connection in a quick scene. Maybe they could have him try to project a crude bladed tool or dagger to explain he's done projection before the fight in the episode after next. Although it's probably too late to fix it at this point. |
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CookingPriest said: I wish ufo added scenes for shirou's fascination with swords up till now. But alas, I do not expect them to adapt shirou correctly anymore... *bursts out laughing* Your despair is honestly delicious =3 Ahem, I mean, most of those scenes were in Fate tho. Considering he was dreaming about swords, whereas in UBW he was dreaming about Archer/UBW. But they've already added elements from Fate, might as well ~.~ |
mira-pyonDec 5, 2014 7:59 AM
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| They added scenes for Illya's and Kotomine's motivations. THey could have done same for Shirou. |
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CookingPriest said: Wasn't it you who was convinced that they are doing a Shirou episode? Now you have no hope?They added scenes for Illya's and Kotomine's motivations. THey could have done same for Shirou. |
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BotatoPriest said: CookingPriest said: Wasn't it you who was convinced that they are doing a Shirou episode? Now you have no hope?They added scenes for Illya's and Kotomine's motivations. THey could have done same for Shirou. Please write me a Shirou episode that shows off his suicidal tendencies, critical thinking, sarcastic trolling, love for swords, capability of projection, etc. Preferably set before MR Teacher fight. |
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CookingPriest said: Only thing they need to do before the history lesson is that Shirou knows projection.BotatoPriest said: Wasn't it you who was convinced that they are doing a Shirou episode? Now you have no hope? Please write me a Shirou episode that shows off his suicidal tendencies, critical thinking, sarcastic trolling, love for swords, capability of projection, etc. Preferably set before MR Teacher fight. |
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BotatoPriest said: CookingPriest said: Only thing they need to do before the history lesson is that Shirou knows projection.Please write me a Shirou episode that shows off his suicidal tendencies, critical thinking, sarcastic trolling, love for swords, capability of projection, etc. Preferably set before MR Teacher fight. which goes back to my point: CookingPriest said: They added scenes for Illya's and Kotomine's motivations. THey could have done same for Shirou. |
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WrongPriest said: BotatoPriest said: Oh god where are you fate route? I'm going to start recommending Fate2006 be watched before this soon.Only thing they need to do before the history lesson is that Shirou knows projection. sad but true....ughhh |
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CookingPriest said: Shit adaptation confirmed.I wish ufo added scenes for shirou's fascination with swords up till now. But alas, I do not expect them to adapt shirou correctly anymore... Oh come on.This is ridiculous.If it is sho bad why dont you drop it?WHy is it still a 10/10 in your list? |
CookingPriest said: But alas, I do not expect them to adapt shirou correctly anymore... So, so....melodramatic. Holy shit. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
WrongPriest said: It's because I see it all the time that I reply like this.FakePriest said: Don't act like you've never seen CP exaggerate before.Shit adaptation confirmed. Oh come on.This is ridiculous.If it is sho bad why dont you drop it?WHy is it still a 10/10 in your list? |
insan3priest said: CookingPriest said: But alas, I do not expect them to adapt shirou correctly anymore... So, so....melodramatic. Holy shit. I kinda like how melodramatic it is. It felt like looking at some kind of weird stuffs artist came up and sell at people. |
fateoffateDec 5, 2014 11:04 AM
FakePriest said: CookingPriest said: Shit adaptation confirmed.I wish ufo added scenes for shirou's fascination with swords up till now. But alas, I do not expect them to adapt shirou correctly anymore... Oh come on.This is ridiculous.If it is sho bad why dont you drop it?WHy is it still a 10/10 in your list? Please oh enlighten me how the fuck will Projection NOT feel like an asspull otherwise? |
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| Please oh please tell me how Projection wasnt an "asspull" in Fate?Because I dont remember any successful on screen try , or any try at all, before tracing Caliburn. |
| Simply showing that Shirou can do projection would be enough for me. A training scene where he is making pots or, like in Fate, Rin finding the "trash" inside his shed (I wouldn't know where and when this scene would happen). I don't want the people to go WTF once Shirou projects Kanshou and Bakuya against Kuzuki. |
FakePriest said: Please oh please tell me how Projection wasnt an "asspull" in Fate?Because I dont remember any successful on screen try , or any try at all, before tracing Caliburn. Shed scene. Shitload of talk about projection. His I LOVE SWORDS OMG monologues. CorePriest said: Simply showing that Shirou can do projection would be enough for me. A training scene where he is making pots or, like in Fate, Rin finding the "trash" inside his shed. I don't want the people to go WTF once Shirou projects Kanshou and Bakuya against Kuzuki. This. |
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CorePriest said: Simply showing that Shirou can do projection would be enough for me. A training scene where he is making pots or, like in Fate, Rin finding the "trash" inside his shed. I don't want the people to go WTF once Shirou projects Kanshou and Bakuya against Kuzuki. That scene makes sense only when you reach fight in the forest.At that point it is as good as "I have tried many types of magecraft before but only reinforcement suited me". The issue is that we never see him try it and the first time he actually succeeds at projecting something(not trash), it is a freaking NP, Caliburn of all things. You guys really think that trying something for the first time(proper steps, not what Shirou was doing) and succeeding at it at the most convenient time isnt an asspull?Because that's what an asspull is and/or DEM. |
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06F97kyVNkk Discuss. Haven't seen it myself yet. |
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FakePriest said: CorePriest said: Simply showing that Shirou can do projection would be enough for me. A training scene where he is making pots or, like in Fate, Rin finding the "trash" inside his shed. I don't want the people to go WTF once Shirou projects Kanshou and Bakuya against Kuzuki. That scene makes sense only when you reach fight in the forest.At that point it is as good as "I have tried many types of magecraft before but only reinforcement suited me". The issue is that we never see him try it and the first time he actually succeeds at projecting something(not trash), it is a freaking NP, Caliburn of all things. You guys really think that trying something for the first time(proper steps, not what Shirou was doing) and succeeding at it at the most convenient time isnt an asspull?Because that's what an asspull is and/or DEM. Stop overblowing stuff and using false equivalence. shirou's projection was built up in the whole half of fate route till that point. in UBW if htey do not ad anything it will be like "Oh look swords"... |
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FakePriest said: Projection magic at least has to be introduced or hinted. And that happened in Fate several times. Archer drops big hints, Rin explains the projection magic, discovers Shirou's stash of trash in the shed and Shirou gets dreams about Caliburn and thinks about swords. That serves as built up and foreshadowing and leads to him projecting Caliburn and even Avalon.CorePriest said: Simply showing that Shirou can do projection would be enough for me. A training scene where he is making pots or, like in Fate, Rin finding the "trash" inside his shed. I don't want the people to go WTF once Shirou projects Kanshou and Bakuya against Kuzuki. That scene makes sense only when you reach fight in the forest.At that point it is as good as "I have tried many types of magecraft before but only reinforcement suited me". The issue is that we never see him try it and the first time he actually succeeds at projecting something(not trash), it is a freaking NP, Caliburn of all things. You guys really think that trying something for the first time(proper steps, not what Shirou was doing) and succeeding at it at the most convenient time isnt an asspull?Because that's what an asspull is and/or DEM. In UBW, we already know Shirou does projection regularly and that he is capable of doing more. Furthermore, him thinking about swords, very often Kanshou and Bakuya, is continued in UBW, like when he faces Rider and wished he had better weapons. There isn't much that even hints about projection as of right now. That ends up as an even bigger asspull, if ufotable doesn't do anything about it. |
| The projection WAS built up.Him being capable of fully projecting HAX swords wasnt. That is an "asspull". Him LOVING swords doesnt justify being able to project NPs with the first try just because of hints. |
FakePriest said: The projection WAS built up.Him being capable of fully projecting HAX swords wasnt. That is an "asspull". Him LOVING swords doesnt justify being able to project NPs with the first try just because of hints. You're forgetting that the first Caliburn he projected broke because of imperfect projection. ;) And I don't believe it's as big an asspull as you're trying to make it sound like. It would be if he managed to project Caladbolg, Durandal or any other sword, but IIRC he only projected Caliburn and Avalon in Fate route, with former being dreamed about whole time and latter being inside of him until the final battle. |
astroprogs said: If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you? Not air. |
Aurioch said: FakePriest said: The projection WAS built up.Him being capable of fully projecting HAX swords wasnt. That is an "asspull". Him LOVING swords doesnt justify being able to project NPs with the first try just because of hints. You're forgetting that the first Caliburn he projected broke because of imperfect projection. ;) And I don't believe it's as big an asspull as you're trying to make it sound like. It would be if he managed to project Caladbolg, Durandal or any other sword, but IIRC he only projected Caliburn and Avalon in Fate route, with former being dreamed about whole time and latter being inside of him until the final battle. You know what would be an asspull? Removing that foreshadowing and any and all hints that Shirou can project ANYTHING and THEN having him project those swords... Oh wait... |
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Aurioch said: And it still cut Berserker's hand and saved Rin.FakePriest said: The projection WAS built up.Him being capable of fully projecting HAX swords wasnt. That is an "asspull". Him LOVING swords doesnt justify being able to project NPs with the first try just because of hints. You're forgetting that the first Caliburn he projected broke because of imperfect projection. ;) And I don't believe it's as big an asspull as you're trying to make it sound like. It would be if he managed to project Caladbolg, Durandal or any other sword, but IIRC he only projected Caliburn and Avalon in Fate route, with former being dreamed about whole time and latter being inside of him until the final battle. My "problem" is that he managed to actually trace ANY NP.Of course Caliburn is justified because he was seeing it all the time but the projection being successful isn't fully justified since it is his FIRST time trying to do it correctly. |
| ^Though wasn't the projection imperfect and he required Sabers help to increase it's power? Or at least, that's how I viewed it. |
| Yeah Fai, use foreshadowing and hints for something OTHER than the issue...yeah... |
InsertPriestHere said: ^Though wasn't the projection imperfect and he required Sabers help to increase it's power? Or at least, that's how I viewed it. And it still cut Berserker's hand and saved Rin. |
| I thought, when I first saw that scene in the forest with Berserker, it was kind of ridiculous that Shirou could do something like that. But, re-reading it and knowing from the other two routes how his abilities work, it retroactively made me appreciate the scene much much more. It's one of my favorite fights now. That incredible music doesn't hurt, though. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| https://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=06F97kyVNkk Go priests go. Zerofags are poisoning newbies en-masse |
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CookingPriest said: Lol.Go priests go. |
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| Projection magic is "not foreshadowed"? Uhm... You DO remember that Archer used projection magic himself all the time, right? I think the anime may for now play it like Shirou trying to imitate Archer more and more, including him projecting swords, which is essentially "imitated" from Archer as well (after all it was the first time he used that "nerve"/circuit in his body, so it's not the same as when he trained in the shed anyway). Then in 2nd cour we (or rather those who don't know the story) get to know WHY he is able to copy Archer at such a ridiculous pace. |
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Grey-Zone said: This is not the problem we have.Projection magic is "not foreshadowed"? Uhm... You DO remember that Archer used projection magic himself all the time, right? I think the anime may for now play it like Shirou trying to imitate Archer more and more, including him projecting swords, which is essentially "imitated" from Archer as well. Then in 2nd cour we (or rather those who don't know the story) get to know WHY he is able to copy Archer at such a ridiculous pace. There's not a single hint of it so it feels like it came out of nowhere. Especially since now people will be confused because: "If Archer knows this magic because he's future Shirou, then how come Shirou learned it from Archer?" |
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Dragon_Slayer_X said: No, the amount of bullshit is just going to be too much. You can't have a proper discussion on yt.BotatoPriest said: Lol. Not enough mana for Unlimited Priest Works? I swear I read somewhere that F/Z Berserker could totally beat Gil, and the guy claims he read the VN too (shout out to our fallen hero, Sloth, for providing me with the link to that video). |
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Grey-Zone said: Projection magic is "not foreshadowed"? Uhm... You DO remember that Archer used projection magic himself all the time, right? I think the anime may for now play it like Shirou trying to imitate Archer more and more, including him projecting swords, which is essentially "imitated" from Archer as well (after all it was the first time he used that "nerve"/circuit in his body, so it's not the same as when he trained in the shed anyway). Then in 2nd cour we (or rather those who don't know the story) get to know WHY he is able to copy Archer at such a ridiculous pace. THeproblem is in anime we have NO HINTS at all that shirou should be capable of that, let alone copying swords. In the VN we already have Shirou recognizing weapons at this point. In anime none of that is there yet. So whole second half including teacher fight will feel like an asspull. |
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| Shirou recognize the "arrow" that Archer used against Caster as the same one against Berserker. |
Calling it an asspull is just a cheapshot at the director. Edit: Whoops, plz no spoilerino |
BotatoPriest said: This is not the problem we have. There's not a single hint of it so it feels like it came out of nowhere. Especially since now people will be confused because: "If Archer knows this magic because he's future Shirou, then how come Shirou learned it from Archer?" Not really, it actually adds a bit of a mystery. "How is he becoming so strong in such a short time by imitating Archer? How can he get rid off wasted movements in his swordwielding in just a single day by imitating Archer? Why is he able to create the twin-swords so well at his first attempt by imitating Archer? If you pay attention, then you see that all his "power ups" are somehow gained by imitating Archer (actually just 2 in total, unless I missed something). Then later on in Shirou vs Archer fight, someone hopefully gives us their thoughts or words about how "Shirou is not only absorbing his memories and knowledge, but also skills. In turn Archer absorbs Shirou's luck, that's why he is able to survive until the end in this route, even though he has E Rank Luck. |
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Grey-Zone said: BotatoPriest said: This is not the problem we have. There's not a single hint of it so it feels like it came out of nowhere. Especially since now people will be confused because: "If Archer knows this magic because he's future Shirou, then how come Shirou learned it from Archer?" Not really, it actually adds a bit of a mystery. "How is he becoming so strong in such a short time by imitating Archer? How can he get rid off wasted movements in his swordwielding in just a single day by imitating Archer? Why is he able to create the twin-swords so well at his first attempt by imitating Archer? If you pay attention, then you see that all his "power ups" are somehow gained by imitating Archer (actually just 2 in total, unless I missed something). Then later on in Shirou vs Archer fight, someone hopefully gives us their thoughts or words about how "Shirou is not only absorbing his memories and knowledge, but also skills. In turn Archer absorbs Shirou's luck, that's why he is able to survive until the end in this route, even though he has E Rank Luck. But you see, he does ont imitate archer's projection. IF he did that, THAT Would be biggest fucking asspull ever. He already can project shit. He just gets better at that. If that is not established, it would feel no different than let's say Naruto or Bleach power ups. FakePriest said: Shirou recognize the "arrow" that Archer used against Caster as the same one against Berserker. Even 4 year old toddler would considering its design. BotatoPriest said: Dragon_Slayer_X said: No, the amount of bullshit is just going to be too much. You can't have a proper discussion on yt.Not enough mana for Unlimited Priest Works? I swear I read somewhere that F/Z Berserker could totally beat Gil, and the guy claims he read the VN too (shout out to our fallen hero, Sloth, for providing me with the link to that video). Fighting against people who claim that "FSN is inferior work about shonen kids that spoils the greatness of fate zero" is very important to the cause, my dear priest. |
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SwordHand said: That's just a bs excuse for DEM, then. Why not reveal that they are the same thing BEFORE it actually happens?We've seen the kind of magic he's capable of, and projection is not that different from reinforcement as far as I'm concerned. |
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CookingPriest said: But you see, he does ont imitate archer's projection. IF he did that, THAT Would be biggest fucking asspull ever. He already can project shit. He just gets better at that. If that is not established, it would feel no different than let's say Naruto or Bleach power ups. But wasn't that the first time he actively interacted with his RM? I am not sure, but I think those things he projected from his shed were not things he pulled out of his RM, which is why they only had the shape and not what was inside them... Also wasn't that also the first time he used that "nerve"/magic circuit that he never used before yet? BotatoPriest said: That's just a bs excuse for DEM, then. Why not reveal that they are the same thing BEFORE it actually happens? Archer used it before, Shirou already imitated Archer once by copying his sword style. All you have to do is combining them. That's a "Dues Ex Machina" at best. |
Grey-ZoneDec 5, 2014 2:12 PM
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