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| THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- Mind-blowing XD but I think a lot of us probably thought "I KNEW IT!!" (because that's how it was for me XD) I love this chapter, now we get to see more information about what happened in the past with Clone Sakura and Clone Syaoran <3!! |
| Yup, that's just my reaction "I KNEW IT!!" =D But now they can go on with the story... I never liked the clones and I'm really not feeling like having a lot more chapters with them.. Can't they just go to FWR's battle already? |
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| Okay....so in chapter 192, when Syaoran was presented with the sword by his father, I had assumed that his father was CCS Syaoran...because of the same sword. But because they never showed his face in that flashback, we were never certain, but it turns out that it were the clones who gave birth to R!Syaoran and then he traveled to another dimension to meet R!Sakura. But doesn't this scenario now create a chicken and egg dilemma? I mean...didn't R!Syaoran create the clone? And the clone is his parent? Regardless...it seems CLAMP is now going to write the adult clones side of the story to fill in unanswered questions (at least...that's what I hope they do). And then, when everything is all said and done, we'll get back to the battle at hand. |
| I KNEW IT!! ok anyways....dammit CLAMP...you've been trying to fry our brains since the very beginning havent you..... |
| I found it corny haha |
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vindemon64 said: But doesn't this scenario now create a chicken and egg dilemma? I mean...didn't R!Syaoran create the clone? And the clone is his parent? Didn't Sakura from Clow, left feather in Tokyo and Tokyo became Clow? Its the same situation all over again ;] And not for the last time, if what I expect will happen. |
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| all i have to say is: hot syaoran adult ftw <3 |
AoiMemori said: all i have to say is: hot syaoran adult ftw <3 totally agree! i can't say more.... only thing i would add is: little Syaoran is so damn cute! |
| Syaoran of the future~ And yay, things are finally beginning to make more sense. It seems as if the ending really will tie all loose ends. <3 |
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Fai said: vindemon64 said: But doesn't this scenario now create a chicken and egg dilemma? I mean...didn't R!Syaoran create the clone? And the clone is his parent? Didn't Sakura from Clow, left feather in Tokyo and Tokyo became Clow? Its the same situation all over again ;] And not for the last time, if what I expect will happen. But wasn't Sakura from another Clow universe? No, wait...its the same. *Sigh* Good point. Chicken and egg analogies make things harder to stomach. |
vindemon64 said: But doesn't this scenario now create a chicken and egg dilemma? I mean...didn't R!Syaoran create the clone? And the clone is his parent? Yes it does, from now on time will only repeat itself over and over again. Oh well, CLAMP doesn't want to leave anything out do they? That aside, data collecting... again? |
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| Gah, still slightly confusing, but I can't help but agree when you say: I KNEW IT XDDD |
| Nice chapter~ It was great seeing the clones as adults and actually getting an "I KNEW IT!" moment (those are rare for Tsubasa, hehe). :P |
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Serenti said: Oh well, CLAMP doesn't want to leave anything out do they? That aside, data collecting... again? Either a certain gundam fangirl in that group bought a box set of dvds or they are going to do another hatsune miku video. glowingwings said: ^^ Tsubasa sure does like to mess with us don't they ^^ So the Clones are Real Syaoran's mother and father, they were locked up in that tube but they got out and now they are helping their son and R!Sakura defeat FWR. Is that right? Nope... The ones in tube are CCS!Syaoran and CCS!Sakura. |
AhenshihaelJun 17, 2009 3:22 PM
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Fai said: The ones in tube are CCS!Syaoran and CCS!Sakura. no.... |
game8910 said: Fai said: The ones in tube are CCS!Syaoran and CCS!Sakura. no.... Yes... R!Syaoran even states that they are similar to his parents but they are not them. |
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Fai said: game8910 said: Fai said: The ones in tube are CCS!Syaoran and CCS!Sakura. no.... Yes... R!Syaoran even states that they are similar to his parents but they are not them. I agree with your assessment here, but as of yet, its hasn't been explicitly stated the identity of the Syaoran and Sakura in the glass tube. Logic based on what's been shown to us does point to CCS, but at this point, I've stopped with speculation and am just going to wait (im)patiently for a set in stone statement in the manga. |
| what is this i don't even. |
vindemon64 said: Okay....so in chapter 192, when Syaoran was presented with the sword by his father, I had assumed that his father was CCS Syaoran...because of the same sword. But because they never showed his face in that flashback, we were never certain, but it turns out that it were the clones who gave birth to R!Syaoran and then he traveled to another dimension to meet R!Sakura. But doesn't this scenario now create a chicken and egg dilemma? I mean...didn't R!Syaoran create the clone? And the clone is his parent? Regardless...it seems CLAMP is now going to write the adult clones side of the story to fill in unanswered questions (at least...that's what I hope they do). And then, when everything is all said and done, we'll get back to the battle at hand. ahh, that clears it up....i was completely lost |
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| Kinda expected this, since Yuuko said that the future and the past were all messed up... That aside, I just wanna say this: Yay, they finally show R!Syaoran parent´s faces! I love how they look grown up, and little Syaoran is also adorable! |
| seriously there are tons of paradoxes like the tokyo feather turning into clow and now the clone parents creating the real Syaoran as mentioned by ppl already. but i guess in a story with magic, world/time travelling, and clones, this was bound to happen. because it's an easy way out and yet is mind twisting at the same time. very clamp. but this chapter was very sweet. i love time skips. |
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| About 90% of the people had already predicted that the clones where Syaorans parents, so there's not much information going out in this chapter exept for CLAMP taking YET ANOTHER break. Funny how the real name of their son (aka R!Syaoran) is still kept a secret XD |
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coolxal said: I thought it was quite established that Real Syaoran and Clone Syaoran are the same but at the same time not the same. Doing his mother? That makes no sense...LOL how does this make any sense? It's a freaking paradox. Syaoran is basically his own dad and he's literally doing his mother. Syaoran is born -> Syaoran is cloned -> Clone Syaoran is reincarnated -> Syaoran is born Sakura is born -> Sakura is cloned -> Sakura is reincarnated -> lol who's Sakura's parents? blopa said: Well some of us including me thought R!Syaoran's parents are the CCS couple....it wasn't until the recent chapters did I think "waaaait a minute, the clones are!!" So it's not like it's anything "new" but more like we have another notion that is confirmed.About 90% of the people had already predicted that the clones where Syaorans parents, so there's not much information going out in this chapter exept for CLAMP taking YET ANOTHER break. Funny how the real name of their son (aka R!Syaoran) is still kept a secret XD |
robbydesuJun 17, 2009 6:33 PM
coolxal said: LOL how does this make any sense? It's a freaking paradox. Syaoran is basically his own dad and he's literally doing his mother. Syaoran is born -> Syaoran is cloned -> Clone Syaoran is reincarnated -> Syaoran is born Sakura is born -> Sakura is cloned -> Sakura is reincarnated -> lol who's Sakura's parents? lol, your first statement is half right I think, but C!Syaoran could not be considered C!Sakura's son since he was artificially created (If I had to think about his parent, I'd take either the ex king of Clow Country or Fei Wong Reed) C!Sakura's parents... well, her father seems to be Clow, and God knows who's her mother. Thinking about time paradox things, I really wonder when and how Kimihiro will replace R!Syaoran as the clone's son... vindemon64 said: Fai said: game8910 said: Fai said: The ones in tube are CCS!Syaoran and CCS!Sakura. no.... Yes... R!Syaoran even states that they are similar to his parents but they are not them. I agree with your assessment here, but as of yet, its hasn't been explicitly stated the identity of the Syaoran and Sakura in the glass tube. Logic based on what's been shown to us does point to CCS, but at this point, I've stopped with speculation and am just going to wait (im)patiently for a set in stone statement in the manga. I should follow your example and wait, but speculations are too much fun XD Right after the Sakura and the Syaoran inside the glass tube came out, I remember that Sakura was telling the story about a dream she had, where a girl who looked like her gave her CCS wand. I suppose the girl on the dream was CCS Sakura, which makes the ones in the glass tube the clones. |
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| Tsubasa is getting bored... the new lives of the clones finally finish (I suppose that) Tsubasa is getting closer to finish and now is the time to know what happens with the other characters. |
blopa said: C!Sakura's parents... well, her father seems to be Clow, and God knows who's her mother. Technically, her 'father' should be the one who cloned her, like with C!Syaoran... blopa said: Right after the Sakura and the Syaoran inside the glass tube came out, I remember that Sakura was telling the story about a dream she had, where a girl who looked like her gave her CCS wand. I suppose the girl on the dream was CCS Sakura, which makes the ones in the glass tube the clones. It's definitely CCS Sakura.. Or at least she was using the exact same uniform that CCS Sakura used in the manga's ending... |
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blopa said: Let's not forget guys..that the clones aren't exactly the clones anymore. They are re-born. They are now R!Syaoran's parents, they just happen to inherently remember their past lives...which were being the clones. In that case, the parents of R!Syaoran's parents (the clones) will be different from when they were the clones.lol, your first statement is half right I think, but C!Syaoran could not be considered C!Sakura's son since he was artificially created (If I had to think about his parent, I'd take either the ex king of Clow Country or Fei Wong Reed) C!Sakura's parents... well, her father seems to be Clow, and God knows who's her mother. Thinking about time paradox things, I really wonder when and how Kimihiro will replace R!Syaoran as the clone's son... You pulled in an interesting point I forgot to talk about, and that is Watanuki. I definitely want to see what happens when R!Syaoran leaves and Watanuki replaces him. I am in need to see Watanuki when he was a child!! XD |
coolxal said: LOL how does this make any sense? It's a freaking paradox. Syaoran is basically his own dad and he's literally doing his mother. Syaoran is born -> Syaoran is cloned -> Clone Syaoran is reincarnated -> Syaoran is born Sakura is born -> Sakura is cloned -> Sakura is reincarnated -> lol who's Sakura's parents? And this is different from Tokyo is Clow because Sakura(who was born in Clow) left a feather there, how? Think Doctor Who "Bad Wolf" stuff(huge spoilers for those who did not see it) - Time Paradoxes are quite usual in time stories. ;] |
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| Thumbs up to adult Syaoran and Sakura, and wow their son? |
| That chapter was really surprising. Really felt like the perfect way to end the Clone's story line. It's kinda ironic... that a time loop paradox would be the most logical conclusion ^__^;;; great chapter, can't wait for real conclusion |
| ..... Oh god, just kill me now.... If they're gonna twist it even more it's done for. |
doomdesireJun 18, 2009 1:55 AM
| Mindfuck. But still, adult Syaoran and Sakura are <3 Even if they are clones. |
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| So..actually all this time, R! Syaoron has been fighting his own father...well that sucks. |
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AceSoldia said: Well to be more precise, his father's previous life :PSo..actually all this time, R! Syaoron has been fighting his own father...well that sucks. |
| The bit I'm most interested in is what they've decided to do to break the chain of events. Otherwise, R!Syaoran will just end up cloned again and the cycle continues. |
co_flame said: Yea I totally agree, that or CLAMP is satistifed with this continous cycle of events caught in a time loop...I guess it all depends on the results of the battleThe bit I'm most interested in is what they've decided to do to break the chain of events. Otherwise, R!Syaoran will just end up cloned again and the cycle continues. |
| Ok I'm extremely confused now. I once thought that R!Syaoran's parents are CCS!S&S, but this chapter proves that they're actually C!S&S (which are btw so adorable and I love them <3). So what confuses me is, how do CCS!S&S relate to the whole story? XD CLAMP.... sigh. |
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NoyaChan said: The only connection I see is when CCS Sakura gives her star wand to R!Syaoran's mother (which we all learn now as the reincarnation of C!Sakura)....but yea..that's basically it..Ok I'm extremely confused now. I once thought that R!Syaoran's parents are CCS!S&S, but this chapter proves that they're actually C!S&S (which are btw so adorable and I love them <3). So what confuses me is, how do CCS!S&S relate to the whole story? XD CLAMP.... sigh. Unless CLAMP can create another loophole to make CCS SxS as the reincarnation of the C!SxS O___O...which I don't think is possible.. |
| Yes! I KNEW IT! XD CLAMP love to torture their characters, eh. The circle of tragedy will keep going on and on and on ... Sigh. Back to battle, please. I wanna see Kuro and Fai. |
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| I supose I don't come here very often since this whole chapter was a surprise to me! LOL I never really imagined that the clones would be R!Sayoran's parents! R! Sakura's parents were the king and queen of Clow country right? I mean everything changed when that "rewind time" wish was made so her mother died and Clow traveled to Clow dimension to substitute her real father or at least that's what I think.. I could be wrong! :) So the ones protecting R!Sayoran and R!Sakura are R!Sayoran's parents (the ones that were their clones in a previous life?) and CCS Sakura only gave R!Sayoran's mother the wand? She has no other involment in this? and CCS Sayoran never appeared in this story? :/ |
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| Even though it's been explained...My brain still feels dead. x___x Time paradoxes...Jesus. I was okay with the feathers. I was okay with the clones. I was okay with messing up the time stream. But why the hell make the clones his parents. >< Aagastblah. *dead* What's worse..it actually makes sense, in some twisted sort of way. x_____x |
TheEvilSyaoran said: What...genetics have nothing to do with this XDim so annoyed!!!! This is bad i realy hate how this is fitting together. Its just confuseing and it ruins what theyd fixed in the last chapter. The older syaoran and sakura hardly look themselves either they must have changed artists or something i prefer the old stuff. History repeating itself? Whats the point?? It basicaly never ends and never improves. Idont think genetics would allow the clone made from syaoran to have a kid with a clone made from sakura to give birth to syaoran whos will then give birth over and over accomplishing nothing. Why did they have to do this?! :( People shouldn't forget that R!Syaoran's parents are not the C! SxS we know. R!Syaoran's parents are the reincarnations of C! SxS. Physically they are not the same, but we could say that the souls could be the same. Or they just remember their past lives as the clones.. Technically there is still room for something more to happen to get everything out of the loop - which is the final battle. |
| Meh..Even if they're not the same...it's still mind rape. xD I think CLAMP enjoys destroying the final shreds of our sanity. (..Or at least, the last shreds of MY sanity, lol) But yeah, genetics aren't involved. Hrm..wonder what will be the outcome of the battle. It's been put off for a while, and I can't think of anything that CLAMP could make a chapter out of to further the delay. Hopefully after their break we'll get some more of the battle. Edit// Oh wait, they could probably make a chapter out of how those two turned back their ages and got put in the sealed off world. |
vindemon64 said: But doesn't this scenario now create a chicken and egg dilemma? I mean...didn't R!Syaoran create the clone? And the clone is his parent? Regardless...it seems CLAMP is now going to write the adult clones side of the story to fill in unanswered questions (at least...that's what I hope they do). And then, when everything is all said and done, we'll get back to the battle at hand. I got that... But the thing I don't get, is what's the deal with the CCS-sakura and CCS-syaoran? Are they even related to any of this? Dammit! I'm not good at all with time splicing and paradoxes; I always get confused and just have more questions than satisfactory answers. |
Genix said: The only connection we see is that CCS Sakura gave her star wand to R!Syaoran's mother (reincarnation of C!Sakura). There is no evidence of CCS Syaoran :P..I got that... But the thing I don't get, is what's the deal with the CCS-sakura and CCS-syaoran? Are they even related to any of this? Dammit! I'm not good at all with time splicing and paradoxes; I always get confused and just have more questions than satisfactory answers. |
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