CookingPriest said: MercifulPriest said: There, there, would you like a hug? Have some faith in humanity for once. I feel like I should just repost every single quote of how people reacted to this show so far, but I will abstain because it would take too much work. I expect a great adaptation, but exactly because of that I do not expect Zero Secondaries to like it. Well, who knows? The reason many Secondaries like F/Z is because of the epic battles, awesome characters, and the depth as well as intelligence of it all. Even though F/SN's method of execution is pretty different, these things remain the same, and by the halfway point they should begin to realize the true merits of UBW. Already, the hate around Shirou is beginning to slowly die down. Even if they're aware of quite a few twists, they aren't very much aware of the new cast or the plot's progression, and thus, they should still be able to enjoy a good anime for what it's worth. It's not like we're talking about the people with short attention spans who only want action, action, and more action here. We're talking about the people who enjoyed the philosophical conversations and intelligent battles and splendid cast of F/Z, all of which F/SN has too, if only in a different way. Though, I do expect that there'll be an annoying minority who'll be thinking along the lines of your predictions. |
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| I dont know where else to ask..But is this just a remake of the fate stay night series which was released some years back? |
fathertime said: I dont know where else to ask..But is this just a remake of the fate stay night series which was released some years back? No. Its an adaptation of the UBW route in the VN. The Deen anime was a bastardisation of the fate route of the VN. |
fathertime said: I dont know where else to ask..But is this just a remake of the fate stay night series which was released some years back? First post of this thread, which no one obviously reads: CorePriest said: First of all, if you have Fate/ related questions, try to use one of these threads first: FAQ: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1286059 Q&A: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1292653 But the answer to your question is no. |
fathertime said: No. That series has nothing to do with the current one. Ignore the 2006 travesty and watch this.I dont know where else to ask..But is this just a remake of the fate stay night series which was released some years back? |
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| So I noticed on my replay; In Berserkers pseudo-perspective, it is mentioned "restoring everything would take three days". (This is after a mention about how any wound will be healed in minutes. So.....the 3 days to restore a life thing isn't new after-all? |
InsertPriestHere said: So I noticed on my replay; In Berserkers pseudo-perspective, it is mentioned "restoring everything would take three days". (This is after a mention about how any wound will be healed in minutes. So.....the 3 days to restore a life thing isn't new after-all? Not new. But its now stated by others. |
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| Late, but I'll have to disagree with this. CookingPriest said: Any work of fiction that does NOT have Archer kicking Kerry's face in is non-canon Seriously, Kerry WILLINGLY chose the path that Archer was forced into AND hated with all his heart. Archer would be pissed. Archer is a contradiction. He has regrets, and a lot of hate, but he never blamed anyone but himself. He admires Kiritsugu's ideals to save people because it is beautiful, and even when faced with the consequences of it all, he hated himself, and the ugliness of people, not Kiritsugu. He acknowledges Kiritsugu as his saviour, and always remembered the feelings he felt on that day. He would've died in the fire without his help, and maybe that would've been "better" in his opinion, but never once did he curse Kiritsugu. Even in the end of UBW true end, his last words are "but even so, I was not wrong". His death was actually a satisfactory one, but his job as a Counter Guardian is what contradicted his entire ideal and brought him sorrow/regret while recalling his life and after-life as a whole. |
-Shuda- said: Late, but I'll have to disagree with this. CookingPriest said: Any work of fiction that does NOT have Archer kicking Kerry's face in is non-canon Seriously, Kerry WILLINGLY chose the path that Archer was forced into AND hated with all his heart. Archer would be pissed. Archer is a contradiction. He has regrets, and a lot of hate, but he never blamed anyone but himself. He admires Kiritsugu's ideals to save people because it is beautiful, and even when faced with the consequences of it all, he hated himself, and the ugliness of people, not Kiritsugu. He acknowledges Kiritsugu as his saviour, and always remembered the feelings he felt on that day. He would've died in the fire without his help, and maybe that would've been "better" in his opinion, but never once did he curse Kiritsugu. Even in the end of UBW true end, his last words are "but even so, I was not wrong". His death was actually a satisfactory one, but his job as a Counter Guardian is what contradicted his entire ideal and brought him sorrow while recalling his life and after-life as a whole. He admires kiritsugu's ideals HE, as Shirou, inherited from that Smile. He would not admire the REAL Kiritsugu. |
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| @WrongPriest - Pretty much. @CP Well, Archer technically turned into a pseudo-Kiritsugu over time: "I killed, and killed and killed... But I saved thousands more than I killed". So in worst case scenario, they would both have reached the same answer at the end of their struggles and wouldn't hold anything against one another. 5th HGW Shirou is a different story though. Either way, All Around Type-Moon is golden :D. |
Kayaba-Nov 5, 2014 9:19 AM
-Shuda- said: Either way, All Around Type-Moon is golden :D. Train conductor Shuda Re-aligning the rails.  |
WrongPriest said: -Shuda- said: Either way, All Around Type-Moon is golden :D. Train conductor Shuda Re-aligning the rails. That's it, I'm going to go read this right now XD |
| YES :D Enjoy the arrival of best girl  Even my personal best girl must step aside for real best girl  |
CookingPriest said: They will just go "FSN should have been fixed to fit the badassery of Zero as Zero sequel, this does not excuse bad writing". And say "Well, FSN at least had some fights, even if plot and characters were completely shitty unlike in Zero". I just remember something. Another reaction would be: "HF is totally the sequel to FZ, why they made UBW a TV series? They should have made HF in the first place." |
Just_ChickenNov 5, 2014 9:40 AM
-Shuda- said: @WrongPriest - Pretty much. @CP Well, Archer technically turned into a pseudo-Kiritsugu over time: "I killed, and killed and killed... But I saved thousands more than I killed". So in worst case scenario, they would both have reached the same answer at the end of their struggles and wouldn't hold anything against one another. 5th HGW Shirou is a different story though. Either way, All Around Type-Moon is golden :D. He did not. It was forced upon him. He HATES the few against many mentality he was FORCED to participate in. Calling him Kiritsugu is the OPPOSITE considering BEING KIritsugu is his personal hell. |
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| I don't disagree that he was forced into the "quantity" ideal. It's just that I can argue that so was Kiritsugu. I'll just say that Kiritsugu was faster on the uptake, meaning it took him only the instance of his village being burned down to "be forced into it". He found his answer right away, where Archer may have lost his loved ones in the process of "trying to save everyone", and then had to "modify" his ideals in the future. My head-canon is that Archer switched over to the "quantity" after everyone he loved died because he limited himself. Kerry experienced the Shirley incident as a kid, which may have made him "click", whereas Archer"clicked" as an adult. Of course he hated what he was doing, but he always told himself "it would pay off if he kept going", and when the opportunity to save everyone at the cost of a contract came before him, he jumped in with an eternally bright future in mind (like Kiritsugu did when he learned of the grail). Archer after that, well, that's the whole point of UBW. For Kiritsugu, just saving one boy was his only redemption after the flaws were made obvious to him. |
Kayaba-Nov 5, 2014 10:06 AM
-Shuda- said: YES :D Enjoy the arrival of best girl Even my personal best girl must step aside for real best girl Real best girl is Nakata Jouji-according to Nasu and Takeuchi, anyway.  |
| Jouji Nakata can make women get pregnant with just his voice, and he can do it with men too. He is our Chuck Norris |
-Shuda- said: I don't disagree that he was forced into the "quantity" ideal. It's just that I can argue that so was Kiritsugu. I'll just say that Kiritsugu was faster on the uptake, meaning it took him only the instance of his village being burned down to "be forced into it". He found his answer right away, where Archer may have lost his loved ones in the process of "trying to save everyone", and then had to "modify" his ideals in the future. My head-canon is that Archer switched over to the "quantity" after everyone he loved died because he limited himself. Kerry experienced the Shirley incident as a kid, which may have made him "click", whereas Archer"clicked" as an adult. Of course he hated what he was doing, but he always told himself "it would pay off if he kept going", and when the opportunity to save everyone at the cost of a contract came before him, he jumped in with an eternally bright future in mind (like Kiritsugu did when he learned of the grail). Archer after that, well, that's the whole point of UBW. For Kiritsugu, just saving one boy was his only redemption after the flaws were made obvious to him. kiritsugu's choices were his PERSONAL choices. Of free will. Utilitarianism was his ideology ANd BOTH Shirou AND Archer would hate real Kerry. Archer's "clicking" was - "holy shit my ideals do not work because i never explored them, well FUUUUUUU-" Kerry's was "Holy s hit old ideals do not work, time to kill few to save many! YAY!" Kerry was a hypocrite ignoring the damage his way did to him himself and to others. Archer and Shirou both would despise him for his way and his ideology. |
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| It's one thing to call him blind or stupid or whatever.....but how is he a hypocrite? |
| I still fail to see how this make him a hypocrite, were his ideals extreme yes. But a hypocrite would make exceptions i.e. he would kill 100 to save a 1000, but he wouldn't kill the 2 people he loved to save 6 billion. I think you need to find a different word than hypocrite to describe him. |
ElPysCongroo said: I still fail to see how this make him a hypocrite, were his ideals extreme yes. But a hypocrite would make exceptions i.e. he would kill 100 to save a 1000, but he wouldn't kill the 2 people he loved to save 6 billion. I think you need to find a different word than hypocrite to describe him. Hypocrisy does ont need contradiction. Lack of self-awareness is enough. |
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| @CP We're back to square one. To say that Kiritsugu's choices were his personal choices isn't wrong, but you have to take into account that he was naive, and mentally unstable as a child too (village incident). I already said that Kiritsugu reached an answer right away. Archer on the other hand, chose to sacrifice only himself to save people, but as you say, "it didn't work". Logical head-canon is as far as I can go, and I already mentioned mine; he "modified" his ideals on his own because of the loss of everyone he loved/some disaster... and he could save "more" people (this was his CHOICE, but it can be interpreted as being FORCED). He was always alone (no support), and if he dropped his ideals, he would be neglecting the people he's already killed, so he couldn't stop. I accept the differences between Archer and Kiritsugu, I always have. The similarities are there too though. Hell, I personally like Archer 100x more than him. This all started because I don't agree with Archer hating Kiritsugu (which I thoroughly elaborated on). |
Kayaba-Nov 5, 2014 10:26 AM
| Damn it. Now that I got used to Rin's new eye-candy looks in ep 3 and 4, I watch ep 0 again. All I want to say is "F you, Tabata". And Sodou is the animation director in ep 0 too. Wtf is wrong here? http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=15843 |
-Shuda- said: We're back to square one. To say that Kiritsugu's choices were is personal choices isn't wrong, but you have to take into account that he was naive, and mentally unstable as a child too (afterwards). I already said that Kiritsugu reached an answer right away. Archer on the other hand, chose to sacrifice only himself to save people, but as you say, "it didn't work". Head-canon is as far as we can go, and I already mentioned mine, that he "modified" his ideals on his own because of the loss of everyone he loved, and to save "more" people (this was his CHOICE). He was always alone, and if he dropped his ideals, he would be neglecting the people he's already killed, so he couldn't stop. I accept the differences between Archer and Kiritsugu, I always have, hell, I like Archer 100x more than him. This all started because I don't agree with Archer hating Kiritsugu. Just because your way doe sont work, does not mean you fall in love with the OTHER way. He already would hate Kerry at that point but seeing the brutality of the way Kerry lives for FOREVER would make him want to murder the sonuvabitch |
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| We already agree that Archer hated what he was doing. Take into account that he died with satisfaction in the end though. That is, until he got his new "miracle job" as a CG. Kerry turned towards a miracle too, but he was forced to confront his flaws, drop his ideal, and saved an "ironic" boy as his form of redemption. Second part is just your opinion/interpretation, and perhaps bias. I've already said all that needed to be said. |
Kayaba-Nov 5, 2014 10:58 AM
CookingPriest said: ElPysCongroo said: I still fail to see how this make him a hypocrite, were his ideals extreme yes. But a hypocrite would make exceptions i.e. he would kill 100 to save a 1000, but he wouldn't kill the 2 people he loved to save 6 billion. I think you need to find a different word than hypocrite to describe him. Hypocrisy does ont need contradiction. Lack of self-awareness is enough. Hypocrisy: "the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense." When does he ever fail to conform? His lack of self-awareness isn't hypocrisy, it's blindness. |
InsertPriestHere said: CookingPriest said: Hypocrisy does ont need contradiction. Lack of self-awareness is enough. Hypocrisy: "the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense." When does he ever fail to conform? His lack of self-awareness isn't hypocrisy, it's blindness. He lives with the ideal that he CAN'T humanly conform or live through because he is a HUMAN and it WILL eventually take its toll. He is forcing himself to ignore that, pretending it does not affect him. He does not even realize that in essence grail war is sacrifficing many for sake of his wish - even if his wish is to save all I'd say that's hypocrisy. |
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CookingPriest said: He lives with the ideal that he CAN'T humanly conform or live through because he is a HUMAN and it WILL eventually take its toll. He is forcing himself to ignore that, pretending it does not affect him. He does not even realize that in essence grail war is sacrifficing many for sake of his wish - even if his wish is to save all I'd say that's hypocrisy. Hypocrisy is not a buzzword, it has a clear definition and it doesn't mean what you think it does clearly. As InsertPriestHere pretty much says you could better describe his actions as blinded or foolhardy. |
ElPysCongroo said: fathertime said: I dont know where else to ask..But is this just a remake of the fate stay night series which was released some years back? No. Its an adaptation of the UBW route in the VN. The Deen anime was a bastardisation of the fate route of the VN. BotatoPriest said: fathertime said: No. That series has nothing to do with the current one. Ignore the 2006 travesty and watch this.I dont know where else to ask..But is this just a remake of the fate stay night series which was released some years back? RinPriest said: fathertime said: I dont know where else to ask..But is this just a remake of the fate stay night series which was released some years back? This is the remake of fate/stay night's second route which is 'Unlimited Blade Works'. The series you're talking about that was made by DEEN was the first route called 'Fate'. DEEN also did a movie adaption of Unlimited Blade Works but I believe that it was not enough to a cover a 10 hour long Visual Novel Route and so here we are with a remake by Ufotable for the Unlimited Blade Works route. Hope that explains it enough. Thanks..I finished Fate Zero recently and i heard the sequel was coming out soon..Guess i'll start watching this then :) *Sorry for derailing this thread.. |
| inb4: "This is not a sequel! F/Z is the prequel!" |
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-Shuda- said: YES :D Enjoy the arrival of best girl True. The best girl does arrive. |
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antonn said: -Shuda- said: YES :D Enjoy the arrival of best girl True. The best girl does arrive. RIP English.... |
antonn said: -Shuda- said: YES :D Enjoy the arrival of best girl True. The best girl does arrive. Not just she it's a clone, she can't even speak proper english. |
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antonn said: -Shuda- said: YES :D Enjoy the arrival of best girl True. The best girl does arrive. Hilariously Nero would solve this situation exactly that way. and then would proceed to rape teiba, because she would find her similarity in design amusing and pretty "What a nice godhand you have here, sir...it would be awful if it somehow stopped existing" the correct translation is Theater of The Deranged tho |
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CookingPriest said: antonn said: True. The best girl does arrive. Hilariously Nero would solve this situation exactly that way. and then would proceed to rape teiba, because she would find her similarity in design amusing and pretty "What a nice godhand you have here, sir...it would be awful if it somehow stopped existing" the correct translation is Theater of The Deranged tho Imagine Kerry had Red Saber. Well, 4th HGW would be fucked up... |
chickenonthepan said: CookingPriest said: Hilariously Nero would solve this situation exactly that way. and then would proceed to rape teiba, because she would find her similarity in design amusing and pretty "What a nice godhand you have here, sir...it would be awful if it somehow stopped existing" the correct translation is Theater of The Deranged tho Imagine Kerry had Red Saber. Well, 4th HGW would be fucked up... There's a fancomic on how it would turn out Basically Nero's SUPREME diplomacy skills would lead to alliance with Tokiomi and Kariya, death of Zouken, Gil, Kirei, etc, etc. Then Nero would destroy holy grail but stay existing for the lulz. |
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CookingPriest said: There's a fancomic on how it would turn out Basically Nero's SUPREME diplomacy skills would lead to alliance with Tokiomi and Kariya, death of Zouken, Gil, Kirei, etc, etc. Then Nero would destroy holy grail but stay existing for the lulz. I can't imagine Nero and Gil co-existing... |
chickenonthepan said: CookingPriest said: There's a fancomic on how it would turn out Basically Nero's SUPREME diplomacy skills would lead to alliance with Tokiomi and Kariya, death of Zouken, Gil, Kirei, etc, etc. Then Nero would destroy holy grail but stay existing for the lulz. I can't imagine Nero and Gil co-existing... It would turn into never-ending debate on which one is prettier. |
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| I've started reading All Around Type Moon... I'm dying XD Wouldn't Nero rather ditch Kerry and ally herself with someone else? |
astroprogs said: If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you? Not air. |
Aurioch said: I've started reading All Around Type Moon... I'm dying XD Wouldn't Nero rather ditch Kerry and ally herself with someone else? Tokiomi or Irisviel. |
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CookingPriest said: Aurioch said: I've started reading All Around Type Moon... I'm dying XD Wouldn't Nero rather ditch Kerry and ally herself with someone else? Tokiomi or Irisviel. Waver. |
CookingPriest said: Aurioch said: I've started reading All Around Type Moon... I'm dying XD Wouldn't Nero rather ditch Kerry and ally herself with someone else? Tokiomi or Irisviel. Iri was on my mind as well. Or maybe even she would find Rin and ally with her even without command spells... essentially making Father-Daughter combo. Anyway, I've finished All Around XD I enjoyed it very much ^^ |
astroprogs said: If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you? Not air. |
CookingPriest said: chickenonthepan said: I can't imagine Nero and Gil co-existing... It would turn into never-ending debate on which one is prettier. I dunno. Hard to deny that Gil is pretty Fab |
Aurioch said: CookingPriest said: Tokiomi or Irisviel. Iri was on my mind as well. Or maybe even she would find Rin and ally with her even without command spells... essentially making Father-Daughter combo. Anyway, I've finished All Around XD I enjoyed it very much ^^ Rin would work, as long as Tokiomi manages to have a Gilgamesh approach towards Nero. Rin's adulthood qualities would be questionable with Nero tho... With Irisviel it would just turn into yuri. chickenonthepan said: CookingPriest said: Tokiomi or Irisviel. Waver. Too much plebeian peasantry, she would not stand it. |
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