| I don't get the Psycho-Pass crime co-efficient thing. So the Sibly System measure someone's crime co-efficient by their stress but what about work stress? There is different kind of stress in the world, judging them by that is just ridiculous. Kagari also contradict the stress theory because he was labeled a latent criminal at 5. So he was stressed at 5? Or do they measure your likelihood of committing a crime? If that's the case Makishima Shogo contradicts that theory too since it said his body recognize what he do as nice and dandy in other words it measure one's conscience? But if that's the case all latent criminal have conscience to know what they do is wrong so....... SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS TO ME. |
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| Crime coefficient is NOT measured by stress. Psycho-Pass is kind of a field emmited by the brain, it's sci-fi, it doesn't exist in reality. The Sybil System directly analyzes it, by being linked to equipment like the police's guns, to judge if a person is prone to commit crimes. The city scanners annalyze people's stress as a preemptive measure because the Sybil System can't be scanning everybody all the time. |
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| I always thought crime coefficient was measured by stress/emotional patterns. How else would you explain Makishima |
| It basically makes no sense and is my major gripe with PP so don't even try to figure out what BS Urobuchi made up here. But it has something to do with the stress level of the population, as modern psychology knows that stress leads to violence or anti-social behavior. Robert Sapolsky made great discoveries here with baboons. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEcdGK4DQSg |
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| Crime coefficient is not measured by stress. Pay attention to the anime. There is a way to make a superficial measurement of the crime coefficient, which is done by cameras and uses stress, emotions and things like that. Actually, I am not sure if it gets the crime coefficient, I think its a different value (like stress coefficient) or something like that. When a detective points his gun to a criminal, the gun will request the Sibly system to do a deep analyze in the person's crime coefficient. It uses a lot of complex details that are not shown in the anime to determine it. Thus, the values are different. Also, let's also remember that there are humans doing the calculations for the criminals and their coefficients, or did you all forget about what is the real Sibly system? |
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lupadim said: Crime coefficient is not measured by stress. Pay attention to the anime. There is a way to make a superficial measurement of the crime coefficient, which is done by cameras and uses stress, emotions and things like that. Actually, I am not sure if it gets the crime coefficient, I think its a different value (like stress coefficient) or something like that. When a detective points his gun to a criminal, the gun will request the Sibly system to do a deep analyze in the person's crime coefficient. It uses a lot of complex details that are not shown in the anime to determine it. Thus, the values are different. Also, let's also remember that there are humans doing the calculations for the criminals and their coefficients, or did you all forget about what is the real Sibly system? so basically psycho pass is a shit anime full of plot holes gotcha |
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Orsonius said: It basically makes no sense and is my major gripe with PP so don't even try to figure out what BS Urobuchi made up here. But it has something to do with the stress level of the population, as modern psychology knows that stress leads to violence or anti-social behavior. Robert Sapolsky made great discoveries here with baboons. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEcdGK4DQSg And this shows how Roricon's minions have no clue what they're talking about. |
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Litrydow said: And this shows how Roricon's minions have no clue what they're talking about. I hated PP before I even knew who Rori was, thank you. lupadim said: It uses a lot of complex details that are not shown in the anime to determine it. Love this haha! "some complex shit in the background no one sees" So you mean basically bullshit lol-science? |
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Orsonius said: So you mean basically bullshit lol-science? Yeah, exactly! And what is the problem with that? It's sci-fi, so yeah, it's bullshit. |
lupadim said: Crime coefficient is not measured by stress. Pay attention to the anime. There is a way to make a superficial measurement of the crime coefficient, which is done by cameras and uses stress, emotions and things like that. Actually, I am not sure if it gets the crime coefficient, I think its a different value (like stress coefficient) or something like that. When a detective points his gun to a criminal, the gun will request the Sibly system to do a deep analyze in the person's crime coefficient. It uses a lot of complex details that are not shown in the anime to determine it. Thus, the values are different. Also, let's also remember that there are humans doing the calculations for the criminals and their coefficients, or did you all forget about what is the real Sibly system? I know it isn't just measured by stress, I mention quite a few factors up in the first post. Also watch Ep 7 it clearly said it measure people's stress with both Dominator and cameras(they both analyze the "psych-pass" thus the name for the anime), since there are no stressed people around the Japan of psycho pass, people turns into walking corpse or something. Even if it's the human doing it, it at least need a clear explanation how they are measuring it. NOTE: Psycho-Pass also claims to be a commentary of the human psychic as shown by the terms being thrown around through-out the series so if it doesn't get the psychic part right, it can't comment on anything. It can't get away calling itself sci-fic. EDIT: They have said crime co-efficient is determined by stress according to the wiki as well http://psychopass.wikia.com/wiki/Crime_Coefficient_(Index) Major plot hole. |
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JackFisher said: lupadim said: Crime coefficient is not measured by stress. Pay attention to the anime. There is a way to make a superficial measurement of the crime coefficient, which is done by cameras and uses stress, emotions and things like that. Actually, I am not sure if it gets the crime coefficient, I think its a different value (like stress coefficient) or something like that. When a detective points his gun to a criminal, the gun will request the Sibly system to do a deep analyze in the person's crime coefficient. It uses a lot of complex details that are not shown in the anime to determine it. Thus, the values are different. Also, let's also remember that there are humans doing the calculations for the criminals and their coefficients, or did you all forget about what is the real Sibly system? I know it isn't just measured by stress, I mention quite a few factors up in the first post. Also watch Ep 7 it clearly said it measure people's stress with both Dominator and cameras(they both analyze the "psych-pass" thus the name for the anime), since there are no stressed people around the Japan of psycho pass, people turns into walking corpse or something. Even if it's the human doing it, it at least need a clear explanation how they are measuring it. NOTE: Psycho-Pass also claims to be a commentary of the human psychic as shown by the terms being thrown around through-out the series so if it doesn't get the psychic part right, it can't comment on anything. It can't get away calling itself sci-fic. EDIT: They have said crime co-efficient is determined by stress according to the wiki as well http://psychopass.wikia.com/wiki/Crime_Coefficient_(Index) Major plot hole. lol, you get it all wrong. Crime Coeficient is a measure that determines the possibility of someone to commit a crime, 100~299 you are considered a latent criminal and need to be arrested, if you have a coeficient of 300+ you will be eliminated by the system, the criterias for this is determined by the Sybil System, as stated on later episodes, they gather a good amount of complex concepts and knowledge and calculates them by the connection of the multiple brains, those brains are from people who can have a viewpoint outside of ordinary people standards, to not "corrupt" the judgement by emotions and ego, in other words, to be fair to everyone. The stress is only part of those criterias. And the guys in this thread need to watch the show again before posting "its bullshit" "plot hole", but i didn't expect more from this community. |
JoaoZangetsu said: JackFisher said: lupadim said: Crime coefficient is not measured by stress. Pay attention to the anime. There is a way to make a superficial measurement of the crime coefficient, which is done by cameras and uses stress, emotions and things like that. Actually, I am not sure if it gets the crime coefficient, I think its a different value (like stress coefficient) or something like that. When a detective points his gun to a criminal, the gun will request the Sibly system to do a deep analyze in the person's crime coefficient. It uses a lot of complex details that are not shown in the anime to determine it. Thus, the values are different. Also, let's also remember that there are humans doing the calculations for the criminals and their coefficients, or did you all forget about what is the real Sibly system? I know it isn't just measured by stress, I mention quite a few factors up in the first post. Also watch Ep 7 it clearly said it measure people's stress with both Dominator and cameras(they both analyze the "psych-pass" thus the name for the anime), since there are no stressed people around the Japan of psycho pass, people turns into walking corpse or something. Even if it's the human doing it, it at least need a clear explanation how they are measuring it. NOTE: Psycho-Pass also claims to be a commentary of the human psychic as shown by the terms being thrown around through-out the series so if it doesn't get the psychic part right, it can't comment on anything. It can't get away calling itself sci-fic. EDIT: They have said crime co-efficient is determined by stress according to the wiki as well http://psychopass.wikia.com/wiki/Crime_Coefficient_(Index) Major plot hole. lol, you get it all wrong. Crime Coeficient is a measure that determines the possibility of someone to commit a crime, 100~299 you are considered a latent criminal and need to be arrested, if you have a coeficient of 300+ you will be eliminated by the system, the criterias for this is determined by the Sybil System, as stated on later episodes, they gather a good amount of complex concepts and knowledge and calculates them by the connection of the multiple brains, those brains are from people who can have a viewpoint outside of ordinary people standards, to not "corrupt" the judgement by emotions and ego, in other words, to be fair to everyone. The stress is only part of those criterias. And the guys in this thread need to watch the show again before posting "its bullshit" "plot hole", but i didn't expect more from this community. Yeah so a bunch of complex bullshit that they don't want to fucking explain. Yet they throw in the stress theory bullshit in the first few episodes, it mislead people. |
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JackFisher said: JoaoZangetsu said: JackFisher said: lupadim said: Crime coefficient is not measured by stress. Pay attention to the anime. There is a way to make a superficial measurement of the crime coefficient, which is done by cameras and uses stress, emotions and things like that. Actually, I am not sure if it gets the crime coefficient, I think its a different value (like stress coefficient) or something like that. When a detective points his gun to a criminal, the gun will request the Sibly system to do a deep analyze in the person's crime coefficient. It uses a lot of complex details that are not shown in the anime to determine it. Thus, the values are different. Also, let's also remember that there are humans doing the calculations for the criminals and their coefficients, or did you all forget about what is the real Sibly system? I know it isn't just measured by stress, I mention quite a few factors up in the first post. Also watch Ep 7 it clearly said it measure people's stress with both Dominator and cameras(they both analyze the "psych-pass" thus the name for the anime), since there are no stressed people around the Japan of psycho pass, people turns into walking corpse or something. Even if it's the human doing it, it at least need a clear explanation how they are measuring it. NOTE: Psycho-Pass also claims to be a commentary of the human psychic as shown by the terms being thrown around through-out the series so if it doesn't get the psychic part right, it can't comment on anything. It can't get away calling itself sci-fic. EDIT: They have said crime co-efficient is determined by stress according to the wiki as well http://psychopass.wikia.com/wiki/Crime_Coefficient_(Index) Major plot hole. lol, you get it all wrong. Crime Coeficient is a measure that determines the possibility of someone to commit a crime, 100~299 you are considered a latent criminal and need to be arrested, if you have a coeficient of 300+ you will be eliminated by the system, the criterias for this is determined by the Sybil System, as stated on later episodes, they gather a good amount of complex concepts and knowledge and calculates them by the connection of the multiple brains, those brains are from people who can have a viewpoint outside of ordinary people standards, to not "corrupt" the judgement by emotions and ego, in other words, to be fair to everyone. The stress is only part of those criterias. And the guys in this thread need to watch the show again before posting "its bullshit" "plot hole", but i didn't expect more from this community. Yeah so a bunch of complex bullshit that they don't want to fucking explain. Yet they throw in the stress theory bullshit in the first few episodes, it mislead people. Its not they don't want explain, its because its not necessary explain every concept that exist, hell, there are more than 200 brains in that system that can contribute with multiple concepts each. The stress is a common factor and if the place have a stressing atmosferic caused by terror for example, it will generally cause stress, that's why some areas are calculated by stress level. and only people that don't care to pay attention to what they're watching that are misled |
JoaoZangetsu said: JackFisher said: Yeah so a bunch of complex bullshit that they don't want to fucking explain. Yet they throw in the stress theory bullshit in the first few episodes, it mislead people. Its not they don't want explain, its because its not necessary explain every concept that exist, hell, there are more than 200 brains in that system that can contribute with multiple concepts each. The stress is a common factor and if the place have a stressing atmosferic caused by terror for example, it will generally cause stress, that's why some areas are calculated by stress level. and only people that don't care to pay attention to what they're watching that are misled What the fuck are you talking about? They establish on the first few episode the more stress that a person have the higher their index is, the other biology thing was only thrown in the mix later on, so basically after establishing the fucking stress concept ALONE. It was actually kind of confusing later on, so no. It was fucking horseshit |
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| What I understood of Sybil system is that it analyzes peoples brains, basically their thoughts/psychological state. An example: if someone is doing something that is going to cause a death and knows it, their crime co-efficient raises, but if that person has no idea that action will lead to a death then the crime co-efficient won't change. Makishima Shougo is a rare example of a person that even having thoughts that relate to crimes his crime co-efficient doesn't raise, I don't know why but what I think is that his brain probably thinks of it not being a bad thing at all, nor a crime, just as something normal. Maybe because of his intellect(?). I've only watched till episode 13 so don't judge me if I got something totally wrong. |
| It's holes like that and inconsitencies that make me drop a promising anime, unless, of course, they have no impact on the story - which clearly is not the case here. You have to make the setting believeble if you plan on playing it in the story because if you don't, it's not fun, it's too subjective to the author's whims. There is no way Makishima could remain innocent by simply believing himself to be innocent or by not caring, since that is asocial behaviour you can't hide, and it is a basic prerequisite for organised crime, the other major factor being passion and impulsive behaviour ("crimes of passion" or insane criminals). He would have been discovered at a very young age if he had some sort of inborn disfunction in his mind (remember the guy who was labeld as criminal at age 5?)), and if he didn't have abnormalities, he would be discovered later on (unless he lived in isolation). Even without Sybil, in our society some of great criminals remain unknows not because they hide well, but because they have protection like connections and bribes and that doesn't work with Sybil, - those are organised criminals. And passion or insane criminals remain unknown because they mimic sanity OR find a place where other's don't mind them - that's also impossible from what we learn of Sybil system in the first episodes, where ther was only one place with no psycho-pass coverage (slums) and criminal activity would give them away sooner or later. But when you can read brain to determine it's emotional and "criminal" state and even "analyse souls", and even have as much as 200 "objective and insightfull" brains-in-a-jar for jury for difficult cases - what the hell are the chances to remain a megalomanical (it's PLAIN for everyone if you are) asocial (pretty much plain too, if they care and not asocial lying bastards themselves) and any experienced operative, detective, worth his credentials can FEEL if something is off with a person and then it's a matter of a few questions and some research to make sure. |
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