Favorite HxH Villain/Antagonists
| Hunter x Hunter has probably the best cast of villain/antagonists on shounen anime. HxH villains have a fully fleshed and interesting back story and tons of great character development. From a pedo clown to a band of thieves to a new species bend to conquer the planet, HxH has it all. Special mention to Pariston Hill who is perhaps the biggest jerk/troll in the whole anime. So, who is your favorite HxH villain and WHY? I separated Chrollo and Meruem asI think they deserved a special mention. For the Phantom Troupe - state the name of the member For the Three Royal Guards - choose from Pitou, Pouf and Youpi Thoughts? Edit: change whole anime to shonen anime |
peeyajAug 5, 2014 12:47 AM
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| Hisoka was been my favorite for a very long time. I just LOVE his whole development throughout the series. I like the touch of sadism that was given to his personality, plus his idea of wanting to fight the strongest ones around him. I also like Meruem, tho I love more his "human" side that surfaced after meeting Komugi. |
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peeyaj said: Hunter x Hunter has probably the best cast of villain/antagonists on whole anime. Not really and not even close...and not even in Shounen alone. Aside from Meruem and the Royal guards, the other antagonists are not that fleshed out, developed or anything. They are mostly amusing and interesting with a lot of charisma. OT: My favorite is Hisoka. Reasons for liking him are pretty obvious. If I were to rank the rest. Phantom Troupe > Chrollo > Pitou > Meruem > Paris Hilton > Illumi > Pouf > Generic bomber |
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gissellebatista said: Hisoka was been my favorite for a very long time. I just LOVE his whole development throughout the series. Development as in character development? if so can you please elaborate that? |
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tsudecimo said: gissellebatista said: Hisoka was been my favorite for a very long time. I just LOVE his whole development throughout the series. Development as in character development? if so can you please elaborate that? I meant his whole personality development. He is the most unpredictable character, and he is just interesting in a really bizarre way. Hisoka is obviously not a good or moral character, but he helps Gon (and Kurapika) out on occasion, so he's not entirely "evil" either - he just does whatever serves his personal interests or whims. While he's kind of a psychopath, he's very sharp and intelligent, and intelligent characters always interest me. Also, he's quirky, in an amusing way. That's it. |
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gissellebatista said: tsudecimo said: Development as in character development? if so can you please elaborate that? I meant his whole personality development. He is the most unpredictable character, and he is just interesting in a really bizarre way. Hisoka is obviously not a good or moral character, but he helps Gon (and Kurapika) out on occasion, so he's not entirely "evil" either - he just does whatever serves his personal interests or whims. While he's kind of a psychopath, he's very sharp and intelligent, and intelligent characters always interest me. Also, he's quirky, in an amusing way. That's it. You didn't mean it as character development then. I agree with what you said, although I think Hisoka is black in terms of morality or is he e_e. Hmmmm. |
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| Mereum No unrelated to current events sob storys/flashbacks Just real time development |
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| Lol. How can he even have that, if he was literally born in the same arc, and part of the arc was for his development and nothing more. Meruem is not that impressive of a character if you consider that imo. |
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| Hisoka. |
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tsudecimo said: Lol. How can he even have that, if he was literally born in the same arc, and part of the arc was for his development and nothing more. Meruem is not that impressive of a character if you consider that imo. I think it was impressive that he went from a Cliche to the end result in just one arc |
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| It was a long arc, and the most of his screen time was dedicated for his development, not the plot. To each his own I suppose. I enjoyed his moments with Komugi, but I liked Hisoka, Phantom troupe and Chrollo more. |
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| Meruem and Hisoka |
A_Fat_Man said: Meruem and Hisoka this. |
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| No votes yet. That's it, I'm making a thread about the underrated Genthru. |
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| Because we just can vote one time only. While Genthru actually pretty good, of course people would pick the best one. It's not Genthru bad, it's his opponents that just too "strong". |
tsudecimo said: Lol. How can he even have that, if he was literally born in the same arc, and part of the arc was for his development and nothing more. Meruem is not that impressive of a character if you consider that imo. i dont know why but you are disagree with everything mr.12k post lol |
| I think it's kind of impossible not to like Meruem and Hisoka. Those two are my favorites, in that order. Genthru also gets a spot because he's the main villain of my favorite arc. |
tsudecimo said: Lol. How can he even have that, if he was literally born in the same arc, and part of the arc was for his development and nothing more. Meruem is not that impressive of a character if you consider that imo. But isn't it impressive that Togashi chose that route instead of the usual way. Show the villain do nasty shit and give a flashback were you show how he became who he is ect. On topic, Meruem is a well written character and I'm not suprised that he is winning this poll. It looks like the Royal Guards are not getting love lol. Pouf is such a underated villain sigh. I personally like/love all the villain minus the bomber. However I voted for Chrollo, love the guy and couldn't stand it that he only had 2 votes :-| |
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ninjastarforcex said: i dont know why but you are disagree with everything mr.12k post lol But I voted for Hisoka and he is by far the most popular character in the poll. SaSa-Zoldyck said: tsudecimo said: Lol. How can he even have that, if he was literally born in the same arc, and part of the arc was for his development and nothing more. Meruem is not that impressive of a character if you consider that imo. But isn't it impressive that Togashi chose that route instead of the usual way. Show the villain do nasty shit and give a flashback were you show how he became who he is ect. Umm. Read what I posted again. The bold. Ehh, it's not like I want to argue about the writing of Meruem. I just responded back to Stefan's snarky remark, that might have been directed at me because of Naruto. |
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Flashoftheback said: Because we just can vote one time only. While Genthru actually pretty good, of course people would pick the best one. It's not Genthru bad, it's his opponents that just too "strong". That's the thing. He's overshadowed but he's one of the best villains in shonen. F*** Chimera ants and Spiders for that reason. |
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tsudecimo said: ninjastarforcex said: i dont know why but you are disagree with everything mr.12k post lol But I voted for Hisoka and he is by far the most popular character in the poll. SaSa-Zoldyck said: But isn't it impressive that Togashi chose that route instead of the usual way. Show the villain do nasty shit and give a flashback were you show how he became who he is ect. Umm. Read what I posted again. The bold. Ehh, it's not like I want to argue about the writing of Meruem. I just responded back to Stefan's snarky remark, that might have been directed at me because of Naruto. I read that but I still don't agree that Meruem is less impressive because of that. Togashi chose to set up the ant arc this way and Meruem is a refreshing character because of that. That comment Stefan made was cleary a bait comment though lol. Or was it? |
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SaSa-Zoldyck said: tsudecimo said: But I voted for Hisoka and he is by far the most popular character in the poll. Umm. Read what I posted again. The bold. Ehh, it's not like I want to argue about the writing of Meruem. I just responded back to Stefan's snarky remark, that might have been directed at me because of Naruto. I read that but I still don't agree that Meruem is less impressive because of that. Togashi chose to set up the ant arc this way and Meruem is a refreshing character because of that. That comment Stefan made was cleary a bait comment though lol. Or was it? Not really. People had been using Naruto as an example of cliche sob stories long before this anime was conceived. Just go to any one piece forum after marineford, where and when it was blasphemous to talk anything good about Naruto. |
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| Hisoka. He's probably the most interesting and I love characters that are cool and can lose themselves in their pleasure. Hisoka's orgasm was great. Too bad he hasn't shown up much. |
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judals said: Not really. People had been using Naruto as an example of cliche sob stories long before this anime was conceived. Just go to any one piece forum after marineford, where and when it was blasphemous to talk anything good about Naruto. But are one piece fans in a position to complain about characters having snob stories. Every SH had a whole snob arc dedicated to them. Also is it really bad to have sad stories for characters? I'm one of those people who enjoys Naruto flashback (if they give us new content) and we will probably get a snob backstory for the Troupe/Chrollo. Will they become less awesome because of that? I think not. |
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SaSa-Zoldyck said: I read that but I still don't agree that Meruem is less impressive because of that. Togashi chose to set up the ant arc this way and Meruem is a refreshing character because of that. That comment Stefan made was cleary a bait comment though lol. Or was it? Well I think antagonists who have more impact on the plot and the main characters are more impressive. I still think Meruem is a well written character either way, one of the few things about the arc that I didn't dislike. Well you can argue that Chrollo in a way is the same as Meruem as a refreshing character, his backstory is subtle and not explored, like the rest of the spiders (still wishing for that sub plot to continue ;_;,) Yeah, it's not the first time :| |
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SaSa-Zoldyck said: tsudecimo said: But I voted for Hisoka and he is by far the most popular character in the poll. Umm. Read what I posted again. The bold. Ehh, it's not like I want to argue about the writing of Meruem. I just responded back to Stefan's snarky remark, that might have been directed at me because of Naruto. I read that but I still don't agree that Meruem is less impressive because of that. Togashi chose to set up the ant arc this way and Meruem is a refreshing character because of that. That comment Stefan made was cleary a bait comment though lol. Or was it? Bait for a debate on how to develop character I've always disliked a backstory after their death or near death so getting it during the life of a villain was new to me with Mereum and I would of said flashback if I was talking about Naruto i was thinking more bleach at the time |
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| Fair enough. Them quote towers though. |
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| There's a lot of Hisoka when he's actually helping Gon/Killua survive/grow I don't see him as a villain as of now he'll always help them if it's not risking himself/interfering with his objectives The villain aspect will be a lot later |
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SaSa-Zoldyck said: judals said: Not really. People had been using Naruto as an example of cliche sob stories long before this anime was conceived. Just go to any one piece forum after marineford, where and when it was blasphemous to talk anything good about Naruto. But are one piece fans in a position to complain about characters having snob stories. Every SH had a whole snob arc dedicated to them. Also is it really bad to have sad stories for characters? I'm one of those people who enjoys Naruto flashback (if they give us new content) and we will probably get a snob backstory for the Troupe/Chrollo. Will they become less awesome because of that? I think not. Not the point. One insecure person doesn't mean we can't use a show as example anymore. In Naruto's case, very bad. It serves as a substitute to character development, a last ditch attempt to sympathize, as opposed to... An entire arc of structred build-up. |
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judals said: SaSa-Zoldyck said: But are one piece fans in a position to complain about characters having snob stories. Every SH had a whole snob arc dedicated to them. Also is it really bad to have sad stories for characters? I'm one of those people who enjoys Naruto flashback (if they give us new content) and we will probably get a snob backstory for the Troupe/Chrollo. Will they become less awesome because of that? I think not. Not the point. One insecure person doesn't mean we can't use a show as example anymore. In Naruto's case, very bad. It serves as a substitute to character development, a last ditch attempt to sympathize, as opposed to... An entire arc of structred build-up. Hmm, I dont agree with that. These main characters are fighting adults who had a shitty childhood and are now making other pay for their pain. Its very hard for writers to develop a villain in real time because they are in a conflict with the heroes at that moment. Thats why we almost always get a backstory of the villain. Togashi tried to bypass that by keeping villains like Hisoka and the troupe a mystery. We still don't know anything about them. The only group of villain who had a propper development in real time are the chimera ants and thats because of their incredible growth rate. Togashi just came up with a way to bypass the overused backstory, that makes the ants a refreshing group of antagonist. However that doesn't make the traditional backstory development bad in my opinion. StefanHere and Tsud, thats cool man. We all have our preference. |
SaSa-ZoldyckAug 5, 2014 10:45 AM
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SaSa-Zoldyck said: judals said: Not the point. One insecure person doesn't mean we can't use a show as example anymore. In Naruto's case, very bad. It serves as a substitute to character development, a last ditch attempt to sympathize, as opposed to... An entire arc of structred build-up. Hmm, I dont agree with that. These main characters are fighting adults who had a shitty childhood and are now making other pay for their pain. Its very hard for writers to develop a villain in real time because they are in a conflict with the heroes at that moment. Thats why we almost always get a backstory of the villain. Togashi tried to bypass that by keeping villains like Hisoka and the troupe a mystery. We still don't know anything about them. The only group of villain who had a propper development in real time are the chimera ants and thats because of their incredible growth rate. Togashi just came up with a way to bypass the overused backstory, that makes the ants a refreshing group of antagonist. However that doesn't make the traditional backstory development bad in my opinion. That's not 'traditional development' that's an asspull of a super villain becoming good. Kishimoto's very first arc had no flashbacks to suddenly redeem Zabuza, we could empathize with him without the necessity of making him a devil-turned-saint. Without the out of character redemption plot for both the MC and villain. Not to mention the fact that all recent villains share the same backstory. Which is just horrible writing. |
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| My vote goes to Meruem |
judals said: That's not 'traditional development' that's an asspull of a super villain becoming good. Kishimoto's very first arc had no flashbacks to suddenly redeem Zabuza, we could empathize with him without the necessity of making him a devil-turned-saint. Without the out of character redemption plot for both the MC and villain. Not to mention the fact that all recent villains share the same backstory. Which is just horrible writing. There is a difference between giving a character a backstory and redeeming the villain. Kishi's tendencies to redeem every villain is a problem, I hate Naruto's talk no jutsu with a passion. But giving a character backstory means you get to see how the villain became who he is. It doesn't necessary have to redeem the character. As I said before, I suspect that the troupe will get a backstory but I don't think that they will be redeemed. Chrollo's last name is Lucifer, doubt that the devil himself can be redeemed xD About Zabuza, he got a backstory, flashback of his own + Haku's and he got redeemed. He is still an awesome villain in my opinion though, he was the first to get talk no jutsu'd so he gets a pass. |
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tsudecimo said: Well I think antagonists who have more impact on the plot and the main characters are more impressive. I still think Meruem is a well written character either way, one of the few things about the arc that I didn't dislike. Well you can argue that Chrollo in a way is the same as Meruem as a refreshing character, his backstory is subtle and not explored, like the rest of the spiders (still wishing for that sub plot to continue ;_;,) Hmm. So in that sense, would you find Pitou to be more impressive than Meruem? No strings. I'm genuinely curious. |
TripleSRank said: tsudecimo said: Well I think antagonists who have more impact on the plot and the main characters are more impressive. I still think Meruem is a well written character either way, one of the few things about the arc that I didn't dislike. Well you can argue that Chrollo in a way is the same as Meruem as a refreshing character, his backstory is subtle and not explored, like the rest of the spiders (still wishing for that sub plot to continue ;_;,) Hmm. So in that sense, would you find Pitou to be more impressive than Meruem? No strings. I'm genuinely curious. In a way yes, and I happen to like Pitou more than Meruem (as I ranked him before Meruem in my first post in this thread) If I were to say what my problems with Meruem were. It's that A/ He barely had any effect on the plot or the main characters. He was there for that arc, and nothing else, and that's problem with creating a villain for one arc only. It's not connected, much like the CA arc as a whole in relevance to the arcs before it. B/ I couldn't help but feel when he had his talk with Netero, that his development doesn't feel really geniune, like his development seemed forced and exaggerated. From him to go from that cold personality, to a more humanized one, so shortly, and because of one reason only. It makes realize, that he doesn't have his own personality, he was merely influenced heavily by Komugi. My personal preferences in antagonist (aside from the standard qualities of a good antagonist, like interesting multidimensionals personalities, charismatic, compelling, strong presence, etc) lies in ones that have huge impact on the plot, and the main characters. Lasting effect on the main characters. Their introduction and connection to the plot feels natural, they carry a theme that was already present in the manga, and they enhance it, they matter in the grand scheme of things. Stuff along those lines, and Meruem doesn't fall into that, hence why I'm not that crazy over him, while others in other HxH arcs, fall into one or two of them. He just didn't click with me, I like him to some level and think he is a good character, but maybe the overpraise of his character made my expectations of his character really high. |
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tsudecimo said: B/ I couldn't help but feel when he had his talk with Netero, that his development doesn't feel really geniune, like his development seemed forced and exaggerated. From him to go from that cold personality, to a more humanized one, so shortly, and because of one reason only. It makes realize, that he doesn't have his own personality, he was merely influenced heavily by Komugi. Yeah, but it was based on his observation of Komugi, she didn't spoonfeed him his new point of view. So I disagree about the lack of personality. So yeah, Meruem is my favorite, Genthru is the worst, he served his purpose and wasn't bad but he wasn't good either. |
SetsukoHaraAug 5, 2014 10:47 AM
| Uugh can't decide who to vote >_< Chrollo: Calm, collected, and most stable. <3 Hisoka: Bad guy who might accidentally chop up bad guys during his rampage. XD Pariston: A very confusing character. Should he even be on this poll? Phantom Troupe: One of the best group of villains. Meruem: He and Killua are the only two characters with any real development imo but he doesn't interest me as much as the ones above. |
SaSa-Zoldyck said: judals said: That's not 'traditional development' that's an asspull of a super villain becoming good. Kishimoto's very first arc had no flashbacks to suddenly redeem Zabuza, we could empathize with him without the necessity of making him a devil-turned-saint. Without the out of character redemption plot for both the MC and villain. Not to mention the fact that all recent villains share the same backstory. Which is just horrible writing. There is a difference between giving a character a backstory and redeeming the villain. Kishi's tendencies to redeem every villain is a problem, I hate Naruto's talk no jutsu with a passion. But giving a character backstory means you get to see how the villain became who he is. It doesn't necessary have to redeem the character. As I said before, I suspect that the troupe will get a backstory but I don't think that they will be redeemed. Chrollo's last name is Lucifer, doubt that the devil himself can be redeemed xD About Zabuza, he got a backstory, flashback of his own + Haku's and he got redeemed. He is still an awesome villain in my opinion though, he was the first to get talk no jutsu'd so he gets a pass. I don't automatically have problems with flashbacks of course, not even the idea of redemption. But Naruto's crappy idea of redemption is exactly that: Talk no Jutsu. Cheap build up, no connectivity, no development, just a change. Naruto villains do a 180 faster than Germany can score 7 goals against Brazil. Lol jk no way they take 80 minutes. Zabuza didn't get redeemed. At least not before Zombie mode. He felt sorrow for Haku. He didn't see the error of his ways regarding all the colleagues he killed or his past life and felt like he should become hokage. It was just between him and Haku. Not that a story about Zabuza redeeming himself is bad. But within that short period? Hell to the no. |
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| SOME PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT OF THE STORY because an original history would be impossible if we think like a kid. Why meruem development was not a cliche: 1. He was not defeated by the main character 2. He didn't become a good guy: He never try to live with the human being, some persons deserve to live but the most of them deserve the death 3. He didnt need a flashback |
cronosteso23Aug 5, 2014 1:38 PM
| Gintama: "The blade is not to cut down your enemies Nor is it to cut away your own weakness A sword isnt meant to protect your body A sword is meant for protecting your soul" |
| My precious trio, Illumi, Chrollo and Hisoka. Because they're amazing. And I ship them. I have no more reasons. |
| My opinion is : Chrollo = Pariston = Hisoka > Pitou > Illumi > the rest It's really hard to choose the best among such great characters. |
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| Paristroll is the best :D |
| Meruem's my fav. In contrast to most of the other antagonists (and antagonists in general), we follow him and see his character develop from birth to death, and I think because of that I feel strongly inclined toward him than compared to the others. It was a pleasure to see him change from what was essentially a irredeemable sociopath to someone capable of mercy and compassion, and he even learned to love. All of his scenes with Komugi are among my favorites in the entire series. Hisoka and Chrollo are also great. Both are charismatic, mysterious, intelligent, strong and are fun to watch any time they're onscreen. Pretty much everything I want in shounen antagonists. Except we practically know nothing about their pasts. Pariston's cool too. Reminds me of Sakyo from Yu Yu Hakusho. |
| Shouldn't the Phantom Troupe and Chrollo be in the same group? |
peeyaj said: I separated Chrollo and Meruem asI think they deserved a special mention. |
| Pariston is quite special. We haven't seen much from him yet, but the way he manipulates situations and people with his twisted thinking process is really interesting. Plus, the way Pariston is so thoroughly hated by the zodiac twelve, while still being the highly supported vice-chairman makes me wonder how he operates. He's like a politician, basically. |
| Definitely my vote goes to Meruem: he's my most favorite villain for all times: he impact me so much as a character in both his evil side and his soft side: he's so awesome!!!!! |
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