| The real question is: why should we care for a non-cheated average rating? |
Retsu-kun said: The real question is: why should we care for a non-cheated average rating? AYE AYE! Do people really pay attention to the ratings like that? What about reviews and personal recommendations!? |
| eeeeee |
Retsu-kun said: because the higher an anime is rated, the larger its epeen is. sorta like post count.The real question is: why should we care for a non-cheated average rating? |
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| I can't believe this shit is for real, how low can you get, I mean really 0.0 |
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| everything in the recent posts aside, there has been a lot of screwing with the ratings recently. clannad after story jumped from like 8.8 to 10 billion, skip beat jumped a huge amount, as did kuroshitsuji (i thought that show is meant to be amazingly terrible..??) ANYWAY, just bringing that to whoever cares' attention. |
BigSimo said: everything in the recent posts aside, there has been a lot of screwing with the ratings recently. clannad after story jumped from like 8.8 to 10 billion, skip beat jumped a huge amount, as did kuroshitsuji (i thought that show is meant to be amazingly terrible..??) ANYWAY, just bringing that to whoever cares' attention. A lot of people don't even get around to rating a show until it's completed. Considering that all three of those shows aired their last episode in the past three days, there's nothing even remotely strange about their ratings going up. |
ShaolinRibiero said: BigSimo said: everything in the recent posts aside, there has been a lot of screwing with the ratings recently. clannad after story jumped from like 8.8 to 10 billion, skip beat jumped a huge amount, as did kuroshitsuji (i thought that show is meant to be amazingly terrible..??) ANYWAY, just bringing that to whoever cares' attention. A lot of people don't even get around to rating a show until it's completed. Considering that all three of those shows aired their last episode in the past three days, there's nothing even remotely strange about their ratings going up. actually good point. now that you mention it that's happened with a lot of series recently directly after they finish airing. |
| bump so these get taken care of D: here is a token account. http://myanimelist.net/animelist/xenotype |
windy said: bump so these get taken care of D: here is a token account. http://myanimelist.net/animelist/xenotype Whose alternate account is this? In case you've skipped through this topic, read this; http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=73355&show=20#msg2875009 Random users are one thing, but it's really pathetic if a moderator doesn't know the admin's rules of his/her own forum... |
| I haven't bothered looking through the "suspect" accounts, as I really don't care that much. To answer the question about starting an account and making a bunch of entries at once, let me ease your minds and let you know how that happens. I've been watching anime since before the Macross/Robotech days. I didn't stumble across MAL until a few months ago. At first I just browsed it to get ideas for more animes to watch. When I finally created my account, I did it as a way to track the animes I've watched and get recommendations for other anime. I entered the majority of the animes I could remember in ONE day. Complete with ratings, I might add. I suspect many people do this. When scrolling through the anime database on this website I often find series that I had watched before and forgotten. I add it to my list with a rating, without a start and end date, so many of my entries look like I completed a series in one day. This can also give you a false red flag for a cheater. Just because somebodies opinion of a show does not match the groups, doesn't mean they are "cheating". I thought the first episode of "The melancholy..." was funny as hell, but dropped it after watching the second episode, because it lost its unique feel. I don't think Mushishi is a masterpiece, and actually get quite bored everytime I tryto watch it. Does this mean I'm "cheating" because I'll give lower scores on these animes than the mean? (Just realized I've never added Mushishi to my list, maybe I'll get around to it someday) You'll find not everyone has a devious ulterior motive to doing the things they do. The only people who I could see benefit from something like this are distributors or creators. I personally couldn't see taking the time trying to make mutliple accounts just to affect the scores on a personal opinion website, or policing the website trying to root out those accounts. |
| Is there another word for synonym? |
ShaolinRibiero said: windy said: bump so these get taken care of D: here is a token account. http://myanimelist.net/animelist/xenotype Whose alternate account is this? In case you've skipped through this topic, read this; http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=73355&show=20#msg2875009 Random users are one thing, but it's really pathetic if a moderator doesn't know the admin's rules of his/her own forum... Yes. Let them read it to show how wrong you are. |
ShaolinRibiero said: i read the entire topic before i posted, and i disagree with you.windy said: bump so these get taken care of D: here is a token account. http://myanimelist.net/animelist/xenotype Whose alternate account is this? In case you've skipped through this topic, read this; http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=73355&show=20#msg2875009 Random users are one thing, but it's really pathetic if a moderator doesn't know the admin's rules of his/her own forum... |
windy said: i read the entire topic before i posted, and i disagree with you. What part? How does rating certain anime high and others low violate the rules of this website? Do you even understand the rules of this site? Better yet, instead of simply typing "I disagree with you", or Drunk_Samurai's incessant "it's cheating, wahhh!!!", can you actually provide any evidence for this, or try to address what I wrote? |
| you're only going to argue with me and repeat what you've already said. i'm not going to change my opinion, and you're obviously not going to change yours. what else is there to say? the final word is up to xinil, anyway. accusing me of not knowing the rules only makes you look ridiculous. it's not going to get me to start going in circles with you. |
| When someone asks you to provide reasons for your arguments, whether in school or in a discussion, do you always cop out and hide behind the "no one is going to change the other person's opinion" defense? windy- "The Holocaust is a conspiracy! It never happened!" Someone-"Mind providing an explanation for this belief?" windy- "you're only going to argue with me and repeat what you've already said. i'm not going to change my opinion, and you're obviously not going to change yours. what else is there to say?" ShaolinRibiero said: What part? How does rating certain anime high and others low violate the rules of this website? Do you even understand the rules of this site? Better yet, instead of simply typing "I disagree with you", or Drunk_Samurai's incessant "it's cheating, wahhh!!!", can you actually provide any evidence for this, or try to address what I wrote? A simple "I don't know", "it doesn't", "I don't", and "no" would have sufficed just as well. |
| it's not going to work dude. i'm not going to argue with you. go find someone else. |
| There's one flaw in the cheating idea. I didn't use this account when I first used it and get this: Naruto was the only thing on it and it was high rated! I know right? But it's obvious when some accounts are doing it to get it high rated. Most people would AT LEAST put two or three things in. |
ShaolinRibiero said: When someone asks you to provide reasons for your arguments, whether in school or in a discussion, do you always cop out and hide behind the "no one is going to change the other person's opinion" defense? windy- "The Holocaust is a conspiracy! It never happened!" Someone-"Mind providing an explanation for this belief?" windy- "you're only going to argue with me and repeat what you've already said. i'm not going to change my opinion, and you're obviously not going to change yours. what else is there to say?" ShaolinRibiero said: What part? How does rating certain anime high and others low violate the rules of this website? Do you even understand the rules of this site? Better yet, instead of simply typing "I disagree with you", or Drunk_Samurai's incessant "it's cheating, wahhh!!!", can you actually provide any evidence for this, or try to address what I wrote? A simple "I don't know", "it doesn't", "I don't", and "no" would have sufficed just as well. You want proof?? The fact that Xinil was deleting them himself is proof enough. Obvious attempts to create multiple accounts to manipulate the system will not be tolerated. |
AaranaApr 4, 2009 7:33 PM
Aarana said: You want proof??[/url] The fact that Xinil was deleting them himself is proof enough. Obvious attempts to create multiple accounts to manipulate the system will not be tolerated. Yes, that was a clear-cut case of one individual signing up for multiple accounts. This isn't, as there has been no evidence that any two accounts Drunk_Samurai posted are the same person. In fact, considering how diverse the ratings have been, it's most likely that these are all different users. And, as I have mentioned no less than a hundred times in this topic, giving certain anime a 10 and others a 1 is not against the rules. The fact that you have the subject of this topic confused means you either haven't read any of the replies, or don't understand the rules of this forum. Either one is disappointing considering you're a mod, and not just some random user upset that his favorite show was given a 1/10. |
YoungVagabondApr 4, 2009 9:12 PM
| See, if the rankings were out of 5 there would be less confusion... /end plug |
"I'm starting to think mal is run by Xinil generating electricity on a bicycle." - idklol |
| I'm all for "Like" "Don't like" ratings. |
| I agree that most of these are obviously accounts created to trim the scores on MAL, but there is A)No definite proof that these users are cheating the rating system, at least without an IP check to see if the user has another account. B)There is currently no rules that forbid such actions. C)Xinil rarely removes accounts. I've so far only seen him remove PM/Comment spammers and the list that was posted here(these all had the same anime, where created in a short amount of time, and likely had the same ip/range). Xinil refuses to even remove accounts that where only logged into once 3+ years ago!(which are likely "cheater" accounts) Plus, of the month this thread has been here, none of the accounts posted has been removed, compared the immediate removal of the list posted here. And before Drunk_Samurai start yelling "Witch!, Witch!""Cheater Supporter!", I do not approve of these users. But it's better to be careful not to delete good faith users who only vote left or right. Quite frankly, I think that automatically marking users who don't log on for a year as "inactive" would be the best solution. By "inactive", I mean that their scores don't count toward the ranks. And if the log back on after a year, it's set back to active. |
ZinnKidApr 5, 2009 3:36 AM
ShaolinRibiero said: Aarana said: You want proof??[/url] The fact that Xinil was deleting them himself is proof enough. Obvious attempts to create multiple accounts to manipulate the system will not be tolerated. Yes, that was a clear-cut case of one individual signing up for multiple accounts. This isn't, as there has been no evidence that any two accounts Drunk_Samurai posted are the same person. In fact, considering how diverse the ratings have been, it's most likely that these are all different users. And, as I have mentioned no less than a hundred times in this topic, giving certain anime a 10 and others a 1 is not against the rules. The fact that you have the subject of this topic confused means you either haven't read any of the replies, or don't understand the rules of this forum. Either one is disappointing considering you're a mod, and not just some random user upset that his favorite show was given a 1/10. I love it how you read what you want to read, maybe before studying the rules, you should learn how to read someones reply properly, then there wouldn't be an issue. Obvious attempts to create multiple accounts to manipulate the system will not be tolerated. IDid I say anything about this thread? Nope. Did I mention anything about the accounts that were listed here? Not even all the accounts posted in the other thread were deleted. The obvious cheating was. k thanx bye. |
| You're backpedaling so hard, I'm amazed you haven't tripped. Your first post was a direct response to mine, providing "proof" that the accounts in the first post were supposedly duplicates. When I responded that you hadn't read through the topic, since they clearly weren't (and this is what I kept asking for), and some would give series X a 10, and others a 1, your position is now that you were making a "general observation". Uh-huh. Aarana said: I love it how you read what you want to read, maybe before studying the rules, you should learn how to read someones reply properly, then there wouldn't be an issue. Obvious attempts to create multiple accounts to manipulate the system will not be tolerated. I love it how you are fundamentally illiterate. You should learn how to read simple words, and then there wouldn't be an issue. There is absolutely zero evidence that any of the users mentioned in the first post of this topic are multiple accounts from the same person. Aarana said: IDid I say anything about this thread? Nope. Did I mention anything about the accounts that were listed here? Not even all the accounts posted in the other thread were deleted. The obvious cheating was. Did you say anything about this thread? No. Did you mention anything relevant to this topic, like the specific accounts on the first page? Was your post even remotely necessary or cogent, except as some pissy passive-aggressive response to mine? No. Are you capable of reading a passage and understanding its content? Clearly not. k thanx bye. I wish you would leave this topic too, but I doubt we've read the last of your inane rambling. |
YoungVagabondApr 5, 2009 1:03 PM
Backpeddling? You think I was back peddling?? Absolutely not. I said what I said, no more no less. It's you who is making more out of what I said. My assumption was to provide proof that MAL deleted accounts they thought were fake accounts. That would be my fault for misreading what you asked. MAL has the abillity to delete accounts that it finds to be abusing the rating system. I didn't referance the accounts posted in this thread because I don't have the authority to make the decision. Its up to Xinil and the other DB Admins. One thing you have to understand is you can throw "proof" around all you want. In my RL job, you look for triggers. Triggers and unusual account activity. I am trained to spot things that are unusual and obscure, and report them. Cause you know what? If I don't, if I don't have "proof" and just let it go, people can loose all of their money. Obviously a site like MAL isn't about scaming and loosing money, however I like to think that I take MAL just as serious as I would people's monetary accounts. So yeah, creating an account and logging in once may look like a single person just "loging their preferances", but to a person that runs the site, that looks at hundreds of profiles, See's the general pattern of how accounts are created, anime's are rated, you SEE the differances. You can see the accounts that are valid, and the ones that are totally BS. Not all the ones reported are bad, but you can tell the ones that are...and that is for the Admins to decide. |
AaranaApr 5, 2009 2:14 PM
| Well, in the span of just three posts, you've changed your entire position and argument. Curiously enough, you're now repeating the exact same thing I have from my first post in this topic; that multiple accounts are prohibited by the rules, so if one wants clear evidence for deleting or keeping those accounts, they should check the corresponding IPs and other digital traces. Again, had you bothered reading the topic more closely, you would see that my argument was never that all of those accounts were legitimate or not. I merely stated that there was no evidence for this, as giving a few series extreme values is not by itself anything dishonest. To use an analogy, it would be like accusing someone of being a thief, and when asked for support, responding "No evidence...I think he just looks ugly and dirty is all." |
| who gives a fuck? wait nvm... |
hznuApr 5, 2009 7:06 PM
| Either add in a rule that says "accounts that are obviously made in an attempt to drop the score of a show/shows or to raise the score of a show/shows are forbidden and will be banned." (like for example the account on the previous page, which gave R2 + LOGH a 1, and gave After Story and TTGL 10s - there's no way that's just some random person who's seen only those shows and feels so strongly either way with each of them). OR Add a rule that says that those kinds of accounts are tolerated if there is no sufficient evidence to say that they are duplicate accounts. Basically, the first option is ignoring whether accounts are duplicates, and is simply focusing on obvious troll accounts; whereas the second option focuses solely on dupe accounts. Maybe that would end this discussion. |
| I'll give it one more day before PMing him. Seriously, this should have already been taken care of. |
| Then what about all the "obvious cheaters" that hit KnK 5 and LotGH? shouldn't they have been taken care of already? If Xinil isn't going to delete certain accounts then he isn't going to delete them. It's that simple, annoying him wont help your case. |
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Ketuekigami said: Then what about all the "obvious cheaters" that hit KnK 5 and LotGH? shouldn't they have been taken care of already? If Xinil isn't going to delete certain accounts then he isn't going to delete them. It's that simple, annoying him wont help your case. It's not annoying by sending one PM. This thread deserves an official response though. |
Ketuekigami said: Then what about all the "obvious cheaters" that hit KnK 5 and LotGH? shouldn't they have been taken care of already? If Xinil isn't going to delete certain accounts then he isn't going to delete them. It's that simple, annoying him wont help your case. From what I can tell none of these accounts that are being talked about have been taken care of. LOGH's score has been consistently falling, as 1s keep being given out, same with KnK 5 it seems. |
| Still no official response. |
| This thread amused me |
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| WHY IS THE KETTLE CALLING THE POT BLACK? |
sHsIkuA said: This thread amused me lol me too... just read the first page though. Never knew there were people who did that and what is even more impressive was there were users who look for them. ^_^ |
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| also get the people who sign up to give code geass 1 |
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sHsIkuA said: This thread amused me Damn, when even a support thread starts amusing me, I know that MAL keeps sinking lower and lower. I'm starting to think that the whole top anime/manga rating system should just be removed. OR What about that club idea that the beginning of the thread was talking about, that would deal with these kind of users? |
BlueYoshi said: sHsIkuA said: This thread amused me Damn, when even a support thread starts amusing me, I know that MAL keeps sinking lower and lower. I'm starting to think that the whole top anime/manga rating system should just be removed. OR What about that club idea that the beginning of the thread was talking about, that would deal with these kind of users? No point since Xinil ignores anything related to it. |
| Drunk_Samurai... you should rename the thread/topic... " Stat Padding ". I agree with making the club. You can make userbars that will get more people aware of this... tho it will be alot of work. |
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Drunk_Samurai said: No point since Xinil ignores anything related to it. actually he seems to only ignore it when it isn't making a difference... at all, like what you keep bringing up. http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=53401&show=0 If you were aware of what happened here (since it was already mentioned in this topic before), i believe in a very short amount of time the Berserk manga went from #1 to #5 by over 40 clone accounts, and they endlessly appeared making more then 100 in all. That was a huge one sided change and was something that couldn't be ignored. And a few weeks ago when multiple anime like Aria went down multiple places he did something because it was a drastic change... But since you mentioned these accounts, there hasn't been enough of a change to warrant immediate action. In fact, it's not enough for him to need to take any action at all since nothing will change if he deletes them. Listen Drunk_Samurai. I met Xinil last Anime Expo at a MAL meeting and he does care about MAL. But he isn't the type of person who cares for people with attitudes like yours. Why is he going to respond to you now that you have accused him multiple times of not caring about MAL? If you think he actually cares about what you think of him at this point then you are indeed very self centered. http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=76382 <--relevant Boursk said: Maybe he's behind with replying PMs, but I can also imagine that he's ignoring the PMs that are asking for obvious things. Sorry if im talking like a mod or if i offended Xinil or any of the mods in any way (in case they see this). |
KetuekigamiApr 19, 2009 12:49 AM
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Xinil said: Epic QuoteIt's not that I don't care about my members. It's that I don't care about you. |
Ketuekigami said: Drunk_Samurai said: No point since Xinil ignores anything related to it. actually he seems to only ignore it when it isn't making a difference... at all, like what you keep bringing up. http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=53401&show=0 If you were aware of what happened here (since it was already mentioned in this topic before), i believe in a very short amount of time the Berserk manga went from #1 to #5 by over 40 clone accounts, and they endlessly appeared making more then 100 in all. That was a huge one sided change and was something that couldn't be ignored. And a few weeks ago when multiple anime like Aria went down multiple places he did something because it was a drastic change... But since you mentioned these accounts, there hasn't been enough of a change to warrant immediate action. In fact, it's not enough for him to need to take any action at all since nothing will change if he deletes them. Listen Drunk_Samurai. I met Xinil last Anime Expo at a MAL meeting and he does care about MAL. But he isn't the type of person who cares for people with attitudes like yours. Why is he going to respond to you now that you have accused him multiple times of not caring about MAL? If you think he actually cares about what you think of him at this point then you are indeed very self centered. http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=76382 <--relevant Boursk said: Maybe he's behind with replying PMs, but I can also imagine that he's ignoring the PMs that are asking for obvious things. Sorry if im talking like a mod or if i offended Xinil or any of the mods in any way (in case they see this). I wonder where I said Xinil doesn't care about MAL? I said he ignores anything related to this.  |
Drunk_Samurai said: Ketuekigami said: Drunk_Samurai said: No point since Xinil ignores anything related to it. actually he seems to only ignore it when it isn't making a difference... at all, like what you keep bringing up. http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=53401&show=0 If you were aware of what happened here (since it was already mentioned in this topic before), i believe in a very short amount of time the Berserk manga went from #1 to #5 by over 40 clone accounts, and they endlessly appeared making more then 100 in all. That was a huge one sided change and was something that couldn't be ignored. And a few weeks ago when multiple anime like Aria went down multiple places he did something because it was a drastic change... But since you mentioned these accounts, there hasn't been enough of a change to warrant immediate action. In fact, it's not enough for him to need to take any action at all since nothing will change if he deletes them. Listen Drunk_Samurai. I met Xinil last Anime Expo at a MAL meeting and he does care about MAL. But he isn't the type of person who cares for people with attitudes like yours. Why is he going to respond to you now that you have accused him multiple times of not caring about MAL? If you think he actually cares about what you think of him at this point then you are indeed very self centered. http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=76382 <--relevant Boursk said: Maybe he's behind with replying PMs, but I can also imagine that he's ignoring the PMs that are asking for obvious things. Sorry if im talking like a mod or if i offended Xinil or any of the mods in any way (in case they see this). I wonder where I said Xinil doesn't care about MAL? I said he ignores anything related to this. I wonder where i said Xinil doesn't ignore anything related to this... oh ya, in my post that you just quoted but apparently didn't read. |
KetuekigamiApr 20, 2009 11:50 AM
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| This as in this thread. I never said anywhere that he doesn't care about MAL. |
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