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Feb 13, 2014 6:47 PM
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Regardless of the varying quality in mainstream and moderately popular shonen, are lesser known shonen any good? In terms of story. animation, or anything else? Like Soul Eater, Kekkaishi, D.Gray, and anything else I haven't heard of, which do you recommend, and what is so good about it?

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Feb 13, 2014 6:53 PM
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Since when popularity equals to quality?
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bergil said:
Since when popularity equals to quality?


When did I say that?

I said "regardless of the varying quality of mainstreams shonen" = mainstream shonen can be good or bad.

But which of the less popular ones are good enough to get into?

tehapoc, I'd rather follow the anime then continue with the manga afterward, which of these are actually good?
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which of these are actually good?


I liked all of them to different extents. As far as quality of the show goes, I would say it certainly depends on the viewer.

For example, I thought Gintama was a pretty stellar show, but you gave it fairly poor ratings.
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Well going by your taste, they are pretty average, nothing quite like HxH.
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I remember the first 4-6 episodes of DGM, the story of the puppets was powerful to me, but I felt that this is as good as it gets, and afterward it's all about standard affair, am I just overthinking it?
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Define non-popular.
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Clearly OP, it depends what you want from your 'shounen' anime.

I'd give Soul Eater props for some extremely well portrayed fights, but it gets points off for a pretty painful original-end.

Ao no Exorcist has fans because it looks pretty.

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I remember the first 4-6 episodes of DGM, the story of the puppets was powerful to me, but I felt that this is as good as it gets, and afterward it's all about standard affair, am I just overthinking it?
That's about what I took from it. The setting, atmosphere, and designs were intriguing at first, and it had a sense of urgency/danger that similar shounen's lack.

On the other hand, the storyline turned out to be quite typical and relied on the usual powerups and battle-match ups.
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I find that a lot of less known shounens are really good. I really enjoy the sports ones as well. Soul Eater and D.Grayman are both great animes as well to check out. Put everyone has there different tastes and opinions so its really up to you to decide.
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Most of the mainstream shounen are pretty average/bad.

I see... a gintama and hajime no ippo hater. Did you really watched them or just hating the popularity?
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Most of the mainstream shounen are pretty average/bad.

I see... a gintama and hajime no ippo hater. Did you really watched them or just hating the popularity?

He watched them on TV, from what I know, and really hated them.
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What else are there other than the 3 I mentioned? Is there something really good that is overshadowed and never got a chance to be recognized?

Boxhero, I find myself biased against sports shonen for some reason lol.
Ckan, I see, bummer. So I'll check out some SE fights at least
Lang, I didn't like them, to be honest.
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judals said:
I remember the first 4-6 episodes of DGM, the story of the puppets was powerful to me, but I felt that this is as good as it gets, and afterward it's all about standard affair, am I just overthinking it?

I wouldn't say DGM's story is completely a standard fare, but I wouldn't say it's particularly good either. As it progresses, it becomes more and more convoluted (referring to the manga), difficult to follow (not in a good sense that makes you think, but in a sense of being a mess) and kinda directionless. I actually quite like it overall because I've been following it for years, but it's not something I can go around recommending. At this point I think I'm just waiting for it to conclude, no matter how, although even that may take who knows how long.
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well my fav shonen is quite obscure, it has very good animation, good fights an some memorable death scenes.... that being said after looking at your scores it seems that you hate shonen an you should probably watch something else
outta the 3 you mentioned ive only seen DGrayman an i thought it was average at best
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If the shonen is more like Fullmetal Alchemist for example, not necessarily too many fights, that would be cool.

Over-the-top is welcome too (like JoJo)
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What about TTGL?

Anyway you should read seinen instead of searching for a shounen that doesn't exist other than those you've seen. There are other shounen that you haven't mention, like Shaman King, but it's still the typical generic power up stuff, I guess.
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judals said:
If the shonen is more like Fullmetal Alchemist for example, not necessarily too many fights, that would be cool.

Over-the-top is welcome too (like JoJo)

Ehhh... you're better off going away from shonen then. Over-the-top defines Gurren Lagann but you have that on hold and don't seem to like it.
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Well I tried looking for stuff similar to Berserk to no avail, now I'm looking for something more general.

TTGL was more childishly bombastic than OTT, JoJo was graceful about it.

Is Beelzebub any good?
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Why haven't you watched Death note?
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Already have. Loved it.
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Just give up. The best of shonen are already on your list. Everything else just average.

Oh wait... there's Attack on Titan........
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ok then maybe
Shingeki no Kyojin
The Lost Canvas Meiou Shinwa
Fate Zero
Hokuto no Ken

Beelzebub was imo very bad
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FYI, Berserk is seinen through and through. It seems to me you don't know what you're looking for.
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Just give up. The best of shonen are already on your list. Everything else just average..


Riiiighttt....
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Beelzebub is a comedy series, not one to be taken seriously. It is a very simple story with no depth whatsoever, nothing like HxH and Berserk. But hey, it's a comedy after all.. -.-
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bergil this is the second time you misunderstand, I said I was looking for something like berserk THEN moved on to things more shonen.

Lang, I plan on catching up with the manga soon.

Guess I got Lost Canvas and Hokuto, to check out
Thanks guys.
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Try Heroman, its a pretty interesting anime, enjoyed the art and the fight scenes. Despite the robot, its not really a mecha type anime, fluid evolving battle style along the series.

http://myanimelist.net/anime/4334/Heroman
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judals said:
Well I tried looking for stuff similar to Berserk to no avail, now I'm looking for something more general.

TTGL was more childishly bombastic than OTT, JoJo was graceful about it.

Is Beelzebub any good?


It's hilarious. Fights were done poorly in the anime though imo. Manga is the same so far, but less funny. The fights from what I have sampled from the manga are better than the anime.

Another great underrated shounen would be Toriko. (Manga)
The most recent arc was great. Truly fun to read and the battles are epic.
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judals said:
Well I tried looking for stuff similar to Berserk to no avail, now I'm looking for something more general.

TTGL was more childishly bombastic than OTT, JoJo was graceful about it.

Is Beelzebub any good?


It's hilarious. Fights were done poorly in the anime though imo. Manga is the same so far, but less funny. The fights from what I have sampled from the manga are better than the anime.

Another great underrated shounen would be Toriko. (Manga)
The most recent arc was great. Truly fun to read and the battles are epic.


Toriko is underrated? Since when?
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depends realy,popularity is not affecting whether the series is good or not some popular series is realy good and deserve its fame,some not.
beelzebub manga is very good the anime is..good but not as good as the manga
if you like anime like berserk i recommend claymore and shingeki no kyojin
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Are you talking about Manga or Anime?
JoJo isn't even on your list.

bergil said:
Kallifer said:
judals said:
Well I tried looking for stuff similar to Berserk to no avail, now I'm looking for something more general.

TTGL was more childishly bombastic than OTT, JoJo was graceful about it.

Is Beelzebub any good?


It's hilarious. Fights were done poorly in the anime though imo. Manga is the same so far, but less funny. The fights from what I have sampled from the manga are better than the anime.

Another great underrated shounen would be Toriko. (Manga)
The most recent arc was great. Truly fun to read and the battles are epic.


Toriko is underrated? Since when?

It's typically top 30 best selling in Japan, most definitely not underrated.
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I wathed the 2012 anime, waiting for P.3



Kallifer, thanks, I'll give the manga a chance, although I doubt it'll be different from the anime.
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Katekyo Hitman Reborn perhaps?
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YorozuyaGinSan said:
Are you talking about Manga or Anime?
JoJo isn't even on your list.

bergil said:
Kallifer said:
judals said:
Well I tried looking for stuff similar to Berserk to no avail, now I'm looking for something more general.

TTGL was more childishly bombastic than OTT, JoJo was graceful about it.

Is Beelzebub any good?


It's hilarious. Fights were done poorly in the anime though imo. Manga is the same so far, but less funny. The fights from what I have sampled from the manga are better than the anime.

Another great underrated shounen would be Toriko. (Manga)
The most recent arc was great. Truly fun to read and the battles are epic.


Toriko is underrated? Since when?

It's typically top 30 best selling in Japan, most definitely not underrated.


Didn't know that. It's #969 on this site, Beelzebub is at #260. Toriko can easily be considered underrated in places other than Japan. Most people I know don't even read/watch it and some haven't even heard of it.
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Kallifer said:
YorozuyaGinSan said:
Are you talking about Manga or Anime?
JoJo isn't even on your list.

bergil said:
Kallifer said:
judals said:
Well I tried looking for stuff similar to Berserk to no avail, now I'm looking for something more general.

TTGL was more childishly bombastic than OTT, JoJo was graceful about it.

Is Beelzebub any good?


It's hilarious. Fights were done poorly in the anime though imo. Manga is the same so far, but less funny. The fights from what I have sampled from the manga are better than the anime.

Another great underrated shounen would be Toriko. (Manga)
The most recent arc was great. Truly fun to read and the battles are epic.


Toriko is underrated? Since when?

It's typically top 30 best selling in Japan, most definitely not underrated.


Didn't know that. It's #969 on this site, Beelzebub is at #260. Toriko can easily be considered underrated in places other than Japan. Most people I know don't even read/watch it and some haven't even heard of it.



That's hardly a criteria to label it as underrated. Maybe you should try talking to people whose anime/manga knowledge isn't limited to the big 3.
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bergil said:
Kallifer said:
YorozuyaGinSan said:
Are you talking about Manga or Anime?
JoJo isn't even on your list.

bergil said:
Kallifer said:
judals said:
Well I tried looking for stuff similar to Berserk to no avail, now I'm looking for something more general.

TTGL was more childishly bombastic than OTT, JoJo was graceful about it.

Is Beelzebub any good?


It's hilarious. Fights were done poorly in the anime though imo. Manga is the same so far, but less funny. The fights from what I have sampled from the manga are better than the anime.

Another great underrated shounen would be Toriko. (Manga)
The most recent arc was great. Truly fun to read and the battles are epic.


Toriko is underrated? Since when?

It's typically top 30 best selling in Japan, most definitely not underrated.


Didn't know that. It's #969 on this site, Beelzebub is at #260. Toriko can easily be considered underrated in places other than Japan. Most people I know don't even read/watch it and some haven't even heard of it.



That's hardly a criteria to label it as underrated. Maybe you should try talking to people whose anime/manga knowledge isn't limited to the big 3.


True. Next time i'll make sure to check Japan's Anime/Manga sales before calling something underrated.

Yeah, you're probably right there too, I don't think i've ever talked to anyone who has seen an anime other than the big 3.
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On the other hand, the storyline turned out to be quite typical and relied on the usual powerups and battle-match ups.

I wish that was true. Then it would have been at least fun to look at but Allen got one power up after 50 something episodes into the story. They ended it when it was finally starting to get interesting..



judals said:
Well I tried looking for stuff similar to Berserk to no avail

Vinland Saga
Vagabond
Shin Angyo Onshi
Blade of the Immortal


OnT:
Dragon Quest: Dai no Daibouken
Ansatsu Kyoushitsu
Nanatsu no Taizai
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Ckan said:

On the other hand, the storyline turned out to be quite typical and relied on the usual powerups and battle-match ups.

I wish that was true. Then it would have been at least fun to look at but Allen got one power up after 50 something episodes into the story. They ended it when it was finally starting to get interesting.i
Ah, yes. A painfully big chunk was padding-filler, wasn't it? I'd forgotten.

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Katekyo Hitman Reborn perhaps?
I always feel that KHR is somewhat overvalued, and not worth the long slug. The filler really makes a painful dent in the pacing. It did have its moments though.
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Katekyo Hitman Reborn perhaps?


About that, this little gimmick midget got on my nerve the first episode lol, what do you think of the series? What are its strengths and weaknesses?
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Ashita no Joe.
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judals said:
Heralder said:
Katekyo Hitman Reborn perhaps?


About that, this little gimmick midget got on my nerve the first episode lol, what do you think of the series? What are its strengths and weaknesses?

Another cliche shounen with power ups though will, nothing like HunterxHunter at all. The characters don't get developed much, the fights weren't strategical for most of the parts, no internal monologue, not much character depth, decent story, and etc. It was enjoyable, but it's definitely not for you.
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Adding to that, it starts off with gag episodes (the first 15+?), and later arcs suffer from plot 'spreading'. The 'main' storyline gets padded out and interspersed with (mostly) uninteresting anime-original/or/filler.
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Yes, Soul Eater is amazing and highly underrated imo
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OnT:
Dragon Quest: Dai no Daibouken


It's good, but probably too classic for OP. Judals, Shingeki no Kyojin should be the first on your list considering what you like. Actually, I don't even know why you still haven't started it.

If you're OK with manga, you should try Hoshi No Samidare, it's not really shounen, but it does really interesting move with your classic shounen tropes, and though it isn't really like HxH or Jojo, I'm sure you can like it.
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Setsu,

Actually I remember Dai, very nostalgic... I remember a half-fire half-freezing villain... that was 10 years ago.. I loved it, gonna rewatch that.

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judals said:
Heralder said:
Katekyo Hitman Reborn perhaps?


About that, this little gimmick midget got on my nerve the first episode lol, what do you think of the series? What are its strengths and weaknesses?

Another cliche shounen with power ups though will, nothing like HunterxHunter at all. The characters don't get developed much, the fights weren't strategical for most of the parts, no internal monologue, not much character depth, decent story, and etc. It was enjoyable, but it's definitely not for you.


I don't mind internal monologues, in fact I think most shonen misuses them and they break the flow, so that's a good thing (probably), but as your other points, they are enough to discourage me from watching it.


Is there anything like early one piece? Going from place to place, with mild-to-intermediate powers? A grand adventure?
The only one I remember is the 70's anime Sinbad no Bouken (no not the Magi OVA), which was about Sinbad, Alladin and Alibaba (without the metro/bishie looks) and their adventures. If you're a fan of OP and don't mind old animation, I recommend this to you, except you probably won't find any site that has it.

Setsu, I will try that after catching up with VS and Vagabond, thanks.
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