| I don't know how to write this post without pissing a lot of people off, considering the glowing review I've received, including people I very much respect recommending it to me. I will preface this by saying I haven't read the manga, so I will not pretend that I know whether or not the anime is an accurate adaptation of the story line. In the anime: Sinbad constantly pulls out Deus Ex Machina stuff, which of course... so does Aladdin, and Alibaba... and Morgana... and the other prince. I hate this "OH I've had this power INSIDE ME ALL ALONG" crap. Mod Edit: Possible spoilers. Also, I really wouldn't mind if someone who has super strength wasn't turned into a FANSERVICE piece by making her look like a classic anime loli but she somehow has super strength... Is this nitpicking? Yeah. Some of these things I can let slide. However, the Deus Ex Machina, which nullifies any sense of conflict, combined with the filler? I made a parallel to Berserk... it feels like the writers are similar in their lack of vision. (for most people, a parallel to SAO would be more understandable) Do you disagree? If so why? How do you feel about the show? |
rodacNov 18, 2013 8:44 PM
| How do people get to 2000 hours when I'm already this bored? |
| ....well I like Magi. I can see its faults but I still like it. And if you don't like it just drop it. No one's making you suffer through it if you dislike it that much. It might just not be the anime for you which is fine. Instead of sticking with it and hating every minute why not go find an anime you enjoy and spend your time watching that instead? |
| Are they still bastardizing the manga in the 2nd season? |
antonn said: Are they still bastardizing the manga in the 2nd season? I hope so, because it's a disaster. |
| How do people get to 2000 hours when I'm already this bored? |
| I actually haven't read the manga yet, and I realized that the anime butchered it a lot. :S I always feel like somethings being altered or taken off the original. Alas, it's still decent enough for me to watch it. |
| I thought the forum for this was a bit small so I was hoping it would stay posted in General, since being "on air" is usually an acceptable General thread topic. May this thread be buried from the lack of people who dwell in this small and niche community. [Spoiler Alert. Not in my opinion, but to each their own:] On the main topic, I have enjoyed the emotional scenes a decent amount, but my main problem is that there isn't enough suspension of disbelief. Even FLCL creates REASON for you not to be satisfied by story elements or art styles. For example, |
| How do people get to 2000 hours when I'm already this bored? |
| you sound salty? don't like it? then drop it and gtfo. - whines about deus ex machina, gives high rating to code geass. |
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| I'm sorry, but the CAPSLOCK makes it a little hard to take you seriously. The Magi anime is pretty bad/mediocre but not due to the 'reasons' you decry it for. Your rant is also incoherent as anything, and reads like a child's painful whining, but i'll play along because i'm GREAT LIKE THAT. I wonder what you were expecting when jumping into the series. Your so-called "deus-ex machina" are standard fare in power-battle shounen series and Magi has for the most part played them out no worse than most others. It was pretty clearly spelled out that 'feelings' would be a major, easy-go-to factor for power-ups+character development given the way the world's 'magic' system has been portrayed. I can't see how Morgana looks anything like a 'classic anime loli'. Compared to the assorted appearances of 'udder'rubbing by Aladdin, her presence has pretty much nothing to do with FANSERVICE and everything to do with GENDER EQUALITY. 'Lack of vision' is an easy call to make, I haven't finished watching the Pirate arc, nor have I read the manga so I can't directly refute this one, but it's not an uncommon problem for mangaka who have to make a constant weekly deadline. Lastly, your thread title speaks of 'potential' but makes no mention of what you thought/meant by that, and i'm assuming those raised expectations were the reason for your whinge binge. |
CkanNov 18, 2013 10:12 PM
antonn said: nope they're pretty much adapting every panel.. and the first season was pretty much spot on except a few BIG mistakes but they only happened in 2-3 episodes/25.Are they still bastardizing the manga in the 2nd season? |
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Ckan said: I'm sorry, but the CAPSLOCK makes it a little hard to take you seriously. The Magi anime is pretty bad/mediocre but not due to the 'reasons' you decry it for. Your rant is also incoherent as anything, and reads like a child's painful whining, but i'll play along because i'm GREAT LIKE THAT. I wonder what you were expecting when jumping into the series. Your so-called "deus-ex machina" are standard fare in power-battle shounen series and Magi has for the most part played them out no worse than most others. It was pretty clearly spelled out that 'feelings' would be a major, easy-go-to factor for power-ups+character development given the way the world's 'magic' system has been portrayed. I can't see how Morgana looks anything like a 'classic anime loli'. Compared to the assorted appearances of 'udder'rubbing by Aladdin, her presence has pretty much nothing to do with FANSERVICE and everything to do with GENDER EQUALITY. 'Lack of vision' is an easy call to make, I haven't finished watching the Pirate arc, nor have I read the manga so I can't directly refute this one, but it's not an uncommon problem for mangaka who have to make a constant weekly deadline. Lastly, your thread title speaks of 'potential' but makes no mention of what you thought/meant by that, and i'm assuming those raised expectations were the reason for your whinge binge. ^this |
| "whats so special about bonzai trees?" "They are the loli of the tree world."  Inganock of the Brightest Flame |
Sourire said: you sound salty? don't like it? then drop it and gtfo. - whines about deus ex machina, gives high rating to code geass. I don't consider it a high rating, because a 7.5 even rounds to an 8. Try again. |
| How do people get to 2000 hours when I'm already this bored? |
| I've read the manga and yes, it's WAY better than the anime, but I'll try and stick to the anime as much as I can now. POSSIBLE SPOILERS AHEAD For instance, I agree that the first season wasn't that great, but I personally think they're doing better with this one so far. (maybe because they're sticking to the manga more) First of all, I think you're being a troll by saying that Morgiana is a loli. Mor is the exact opposite of a damsel in distress, she's the manliest person in the trio and maybe even Sindria if we exclude Sinbad and Masrur. She's loyal, powerful and also kind, she wants to become powerful in order to protect her savior and also crush, Alibaba. Mor is a great character and I personally adore her, mostly because she doesn't act like a high school girl in love around Alibaba. If you're being serious about your statement please consider re-watching the entire series. Next thing is, Sinbad didn't have this entire power all along. I'm sure you didn't read Sinbad no Bouken, if you had then maybe you wouldn't be so eager on saying that. Sinbad has gone through a lot of shit, he obtained these Djinns through a lot of work and met the 8 Generals step by step in his adventure. He might be the chosen one, but he wasn't granted all this power. Same case for Alibaba, he lived in the slums most of his childhood, this is why he understands how poor people feel and also the reason why he's so fond of Balbadd. In Aladdin's case, we know almost nothing about him yet. The pirate arc is very important for Hakuryuu's evolving. If you've read the manga you'd understand. He's shown fast mastering of Zagan and this is accentuating Alibaba's complex, which will be important in the future. I'm sorry but all of your arguments seem invalid, I seriously think you're just a troll. But if you're not, then you seem to simply not understand the deepness of this anime, the story of Magi is complex and you seem to have a hard time understanding it. |
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Crimefridge said: 8 not an high rating? okay.Sourire said: you sound salty? don't like it? then drop it and gtfo. - whines about deus ex machina, gives high rating to code geass. I don't consider it a high rating, because a 7.5 even rounds to an 8. Try again. just re-read OP, my eyes are bleeding. |
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| Pirates was for Hakuryuu, for him to kill her whatsherface and development. I think the show is very enjoyable and I don't take it too seriously. Sinbad being OP is fine with me because he's still interesting. |
| The one thing that disappoints me about the series is that it has some of FMA's weaknesses: the shounen genre syndrome where your protagonists MUST be in their pre-teen or adolescent years. It makes plots involving world destruction/domination very hard to swallow, and the protagonists are constantly overshadowed by more interesting (and more fitting to the plot) side characters. Magi amplifies this problem by involving socioeconomics and politics. It just doesn't work in this genre when your protagonists aren't educated/trained enough to get into the nitty gritty of the issues that the author wants to present. Even worse is the fact that the author herself doesn't present them gracefully; we're often given very black and white scenarios where antagonists are big, ugly, and greedy. The series tries to be mature but often falls flat on its face. Still, I do find some of the side characters a joy to watch/read about. The setting and powers are interesting too. It's just a shame that the writing isn't very refined. I'll be looking forward to Sinbad's inevitable turnaround and the protagonists having to finally face someone NOT so one-dimensionally evil. |
| I somewhat agree. It's an enjoyable show, but the setting could've been so much better. I'm saying this because I prefer a more mature setting in general, not this willy nilly where they change the atmosphere every five minutes. In the end, this show is not to be taken too seriously, as the target audience seems to be teenagers. But hey, at least they don't go to high school in this one. - Mind you, I am really enjoying the show, but I cant shake this feeling that it could be even better if they changed some things. |
TreekodarJan 8, 2014 3:43 PM
Mr. Wonsworth, you may NOT eat my scones! |
Treekodar said: I somewhat agree. It's an enjoyable show, but the setting could've been so much better. I'm saying this because I prefer a more mature setting in general, not this willy nilly where they change the atmosphere every five minutes. In the end, this show is not to be taken too seriously, as the target audience seems to be teenagers. But hey, at least they don't go to high school in this one. - Mind you, I am really enjoying the show, but I cant shake this feeling that it could be even better if they changed some things. You've clearly haven't read the manga. |
| "whats so special about bonzai trees?" "They are the loli of the tree world." Inganock of the Brightest Flame |
IronLobster said: You've clearly haven't read the manga. No, I have not. Do you find the manga to be better? |
| Mr. Wonsworth, you may NOT eat my scones! |
Treekodar said: IronLobster said: You've clearly haven't read the manga. No, I have not. Do you find the manga to be better? Well, I'm not really trying to say anything here actually. It's just that one sentence you said about wanting a more mature setting. It's just my opinion, but I find Magi to be rather mature already, and it's going to get even more brutal. The anime will get there soon, but the manga has already covered a lot. So in the end, my statement didn't have a whole lot to do with what you said. |
| "whats so special about bonzai trees?" "They are the loli of the tree world." Inganock of the Brightest Flame |
| I sincerely thank you for such a fleshed out reply Candor. What also really got to me was how the "big bad" seemed evil for no reason whatsoever. I also have to admit that I completely skipped the episodes focusing on Aladdin as his character seems absolutely retarded. I liked how the focus was on Alibaba, but I see now the reason I still feel like that is because the rest of the characters have little to no depth, with little to no character background being shown. However, focusing so intensely on one character to the point that you are omitting atmospheric descriptions/scenic depictions (the bazaars you mentioned as an example), is beyond dumb. I knew something was off. This draws into question what they're trying to do with this anime. - Fear not followers of Magi, I still enjoy the show. |
TreekodarJan 9, 2014 7:26 AM
| Mr. Wonsworth, you may NOT eat my scones! |
Candor said: antonn said: Watched until they continued butchering Aladdin's character by making him get captured without doing ANYTHING against the pirates. What a magi, what a powerful magi who can release magic out of his ass without any explanation for it, hell he even used magic before him knowing about it. (For those interested: in the anime Aladdin used magic in the Kouga arc when he only learned of Magic in Sindria's 2nd arc, and now Aladdin gets captured as a weak boy instead of fighting the pirates as if they're small fleas)Are they still bastardizing the manga in the 2nd season? Treekodar said: Oh boy, what are you trying to start..IronLobster said: You've clearly haven't read the manga. No, I have not. Do you find the manga to be better? or that's what I'd say if I had the time to explain in a novel how bad this crap of an adaptation is. But here are some points on it: - 116 chapters animated in 25 episodes, with merging 2 arcs, changing a dungeon, fucking up the beginning by focusing on Alibaba only and forgetting all about the other 2 main characters, erasing a villain, omitting/altering the shit-ton of world-building material (Bazaars, Sindria's markets, Alibaba's studies, Al-Thamen's symbolism and the world's history, explanations on magic, rukh, and dungeons..etc) ruining all of the villains of the series (like Kassim, whose character was butchered by A-1 for the sake of focusing on Alibaba. Ithnan became the villain of the first season when technichally he was only a small villain in the 2nd dungeon), and ending the first season with a pointless "war" when in the manga it was a small battle in the suburbs of Sindria between 2 generals and some Al-Thamen followers. - Aladdin's character.. God how awful it was. Here are some of the omitted parts of Aladdin's character: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-iQ-e8EoLpSo/ToBkWOWtaGI/AAAAAAAABdg/5nj_tSVapCk/039.png?imgmax=2000 http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-cRoPFTAw0Ug/ToBkYnGWZdI/AAAAAAAABeI/TWtk3FF4sjQ/040.png?imgmax=2000 http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zu3SugJQCGo/ToBkqcEpA0I/AAAAAAAABgM/H6a7yUzuYpw/043.png?imgmax=2000 http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-6F-UD8WEL3M/ToBkuot3h4I/AAAAAAAABhY/uY3aE5__HrE/044.png?imgmax=2000 http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-jdf8eexXBw0/ToBk0i3vevI/AAAAAAAABi4/BT7iRsYywKI/045.png?imgmax=2000 (read the first chapter of the series to see the difference. That's pretty much the difference of quality between the entirety of both manga and anime. This first chapter had more impact than the entirety of the anime) In the anime Aladdin did shit in the first arcs. He was portrayed as a little kid who can do nothing but be weak, cute, eat food and fondle breasts. (did he do anything note-worthy, other than he's a "magi"?) In the anime Aladdin lost Ugo and what did he do? NOTHING. He just continued as if NOTHING happened. -Alibaba. God how awful this character turned out to be. Yuki Kaji did an awful job as Alibaba's character. Here are some Alibaba moments in the manga: http://oi45.tinypic.com/15modfs.jpg http://static.zerochan.net/Ali.Baba.Saluja.full.1368015.jpg -Villains. We all know that a first impression for a villain is important for his character, as well as foreshadowing. Here's a comparison for some anime vs. manga villain first appearances: Jamil: Anime vs Manga Kassim: Anime vs Manga (^ Let's forget the derp-face here for a moment. In that picture Alibaba/the hooded man stands more obvious than Kassim, who in return became just another character, which didn't work well and people didn't give a flying fuck about him, but thought he was an annoying pointless character. Kassim's first appearance in the anime killed the arc. He was supposed to add more complexity to the politics of the arc, but when there's a character you don't care about, or a character the producers didn't make you care about, plays a significant role in an arc as important as Balbadd, then you know the arc sucks ass, and that's the producer's fault) Banker: (note that he's not Isnan, the villain of the 2nd dungeon) Anime vs Manga It seems I did more than a few points. Well, fuck it, let's continue. Al-Thamen: Anime: In the anime Al-Thamen was just shown directly as an underground organization in their headquarters. In the manga, that's not the case, they were foreshadowed properly with a lot of well-drawn symbolism, which probably was too much for A-1 Pictures to do. Manga: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-tj1nljZ34rE/TzfyP2mIPeI/AAAAAAAADvw/te12NXktvEQ/011.png?imgmax=2000 http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-duJgp8o9S4s/TzfySVk7aqI/AAAAAAAADwA/pWN5NIH6RW0/012.png?imgmax=2000 http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-JMJobhQS6TM/TzfyXlQXNeI/AAAAAAAADwc/Axi4faXi3v4/014.png?imgmax=2000 http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-mW5G-y9CQXs/TzfyanKdUZI/AAAAAAAADws/F6LfLc-tnrk/015.png?imgmax=2000 - Now let's continue with the butchery of Aladdin and Alibaba, and mention the shit-ton of interactions between them that was omitted. In the anime both of them just became friends. In the manga their relationship developed properly, with both of them going through a lot of misunderstandings and fixing them up and all that shit, which the anime deemed unnecessary. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ylXSmxaGyyA/ToBoT88NZyI/AAAAAAAACBM/pP-FJynl80k/012.png?imgmax=2000 -Continuing with the characters, we go to Sinbad. Sinbad was foreshadowed a lot in the manga from the very beginning, by Alibaba mentioning him as some kind of a role model after reading his adventures in books and such. (which adds to the world-building). He was also shown as a shadow who conquered the first dungeon in the 4th chapter: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-K7Xx9QST-uU/ToBo_wiH5HI/AAAAAAAACJs/ULo95lNinj0/001.png?imgmax=2000 http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_j51qt-vpyw/ToBpJb8oS_I/AAAAAAAACKY/5hZpGMhg5qY/002.png?imgmax=2000 http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-VJLkBzvvMJ0/ToBpMbzsFWI/AAAAAAAACLA/OVSkzNi6JJc/003.png?imgmax=2000 http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0G7_ipMXPb0/ToBpOT8EGII/AAAAAAAACLw/pcm8m28HM6k/004.png?imgmax=2000 http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-CVxNxf-7Whc/ToBpUVb7CCI/AAAAAAAACMc/FDOP3lYULIA/005.png?imgmax=2000 Thought that's far from the problems I had with him in the anime. Sinbad in the anime was portrayed as a one-dimensional good guy. In the manga he wasn't, his interior motives were shown from the moment he talked with Hakuryuu: (yay for more world-building, which A-1 deemed unnecessary) http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-iGv8_exKiFg/T3Mh_zF9KvI/AAAAAAAAAJw/PXyT7wDXAXY/013.png?imgmax=2000 http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-6-rLNg5_etc/T3MiCaCsVHI/AAAAAAAAAKA/I7ATniduZeU/014.png?imgmax=2000 http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Es-njWrF8T4/T3MiEy1avTI/AAAAAAAAAKQ/phde4NP91RQ/015.png?imgmax=2000 http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-nAKUsUI0bHI/T3MiG9wejzI/AAAAAAAAAKg/_p77M4NUsF4/016.png?imgmax=2000 http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0ANp0fl8j1A/T3MiJYI4GNI/AAAAAAAAAKw/bZa9DUpA8fM/017.png?imgmax=2000 http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ATaeDidDo2g/T3MiLyfz9gI/AAAAAAAAALE/luccFci1IRk/018.png?imgmax=2000 Also, Sinbad went to the Kou Empire to talk with the Kou Emperor, something which was totally omitted in the anime: (more worldbuilding! A-1: Fuck that shit, who cares about it?) http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XVBa--LLM9s/T1T6ELcfJ-I/AAAAAAAACmU/7GTo0ANsrI8/004.png?imgmax=2000 http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GlUpKdyK1b8/T1T6RfsftrI/AAAAAAAACm8/0BgNSytg3mw/009.png?imgmax=2000 http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5moOuAv1omY/T1T6TaU5_tI/AAAAAAAACnE/1wHEDWn8tcI/010.png?imgmax=2000 Going back to the villains, we got Judal. I can't remember exactly in what points his character differed from the anime, but there was some alteration and commitment with the stuff related to him. I sure did write more than I was planning to, but this bullcrap of an adaptation WAS this bad, and even worse if you see how awful the animation is at some points. okey this thing clearly needs to stay at page 2 also ... glad someone did this tiring job and there's actually more ... whatever ... enjoy the show while it lasts anime only friends ... then forget it . |
| Yeah, not digging the anime so much. It's good if you treat it independently from the manga, but then again that's the same for most animes. |
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