| Non Non Biyori is doing well, the hearts of Japan are warming and melting better than expcted, hopefully it translates to excellent sales. |
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| Okay, by introducing some mentally challenged characters in the newest episode it gets a boost? Both characters were pretty horrible imo, but I guess when it's a lesbian it's okay. Seems everytime I think so myself that the show has reached a new low it gets a sales boost :/. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
jmal said: Higashi_no_Kaze said: but I guess when it's a lesbian it's okay. Oh how I so deeply wish lesbian characters in anime had anything like the sales draw you're implying here. Not talking about lesbian-focused anime, but the kind of fanservice only lesbian, who probably isn't lesbian, but behaves like it as to allow for some groping action that supposedly shouldn't feel forced as well as as to have a 'good' reason to be another (hot) character that has reasons for treating male MCs like shit. Your run-of-the-mill best friend of the female MC. It's nothing new and not necessarily terrible, but the one in StB is just so horribly devoted to those two trope-defining aspects that if you strip them away there's no character left at all. Which lets me think that some fanservice tropes don't profit from characterization, but rather from being presented as raw and unreflected as possible. Anyway, I know me ranting doesn't do any good. I just genuinely thought that StB could be better than all those mediocre LN adaptions because the 2 MCs were kinda refreshing at the start, but every single thing after that has been clichéd to the point that it could be written by a computer familiar with the genre tropes. And it gets more and more popular, it just baffles me. Usually when a series like this is successful I'm not watching it so I can just imagine that it probably has its merits, but I can't do it this time. I will stop though, I don't wanna end up like Kaoishin. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
Hoppy said: Non Non Biyori is doing well, the hearts of Japan are warming and melting better than expcted, hopefully it translates to excellent sales. Japan loves that sort of stuff 4Koma stuff, not sure what you're talking about. Also looks like that particular show has wormed it's way back into the top 100 now that the weekend is over. As I figure that's probably just where it's going to hover at the very least until it's release, but I still figure it's going to find it's way even higher come the next few episodes. Feeling pretty confident about my bet again. Higashi_no_Kaze said: Okay, by introducing some mentally challenged characters in the newest episode it gets a boost? Both characters were pretty horrible imo, but I guess when it's a lesbian it's okay. Seems everytime I think so myself that the show has reached a new low it gets a sales boost :/. That's generally how it goes I found. When an episode is actually good it might get a slight bump, when a show outright panders somehow expect it's rank to skyrocket. Pandering to the lowest common denominator is what carries this industry at the end of the day sadly. At least for TV anime. I agree though Strike The Blood has been highly disappointing after a good start though that's pretty normal for when a second novel starts getting adapted. 2nd novels typically tend to be the worst so I'm still giving it till at least the end of the first cour before I decide whether I give up or not. On the side of interest for me is that Gundam Build Fighters seems to be ranking again. Now that's a curious one as this show is definitely the outlier where the rest of the top 30 anime BD's are concerned. Also becoming like me isn't that bad. I still know how to have fun, I just see things as they are more which entails both the encouragingly good and the brutally dispiriting. When all but 2 of the show in the top 100 for anime this season are among the ones you found least watchable when you tried them yet again for what seems like nth season in a row and the biggest selling anime of the year (2nd biggest?) is one you find utterly loathsome in terms of content, it's just really hard to find much positive to say about this topic. You'd practically have to lie to yourself and others in order to do or just not comment (the later of which I'm sure some people would love), but what's to gain from doing that. I don't know why some people think all commentary and discussion has to be 100% positively charged at all times but eh....MAL. I guess I'll accept Jmal's reasoning that BD buyers are a different younger sort that is motivated by interests and tastes FAR removed from mine, but I never feel it bodes well for my interests so again it's just like putting a forced positive spin on a negative outcome from where I'm sitting. |
PeacingOutNov 11, 2013 11:30 AM
Kaioshin_Sama said: No one thinks that. Good, reasonable criticism is welcome by many users. However almost everyone thinks that bitching about non-existing people in every thread, no matter if it's related or not, is wrong. Like you do with KyoAni/Shaft fanboys even when there's no comment about those studios.I don't know why some people think all commentary and discussion has to be 100% positively charged at all times but eh....MAL. |
Kaioshin_Sama said: Well, if you dislike 98% of what's out there I can see why you aren't positive about it but... hate to break it to you but anime may not be your thing anymore, not modern anime anyways. Complaining about Japanese anime made for Japanese buyers on MAL isn't going to change anime one bit. Venting can be therapeutic but I'm not sure in this case.... When all but 2 of the show in the top 100 for anime this season are among the ones you found least watchable when you tried them yet again for what seems like nth season in a row and the biggest selling anime of the year (2nd biggest?) is one you find utterly loathsome in terms of content, it's just really hard to find much positive to say about this topic... ---- On a positive topic I am dying to see the CD chart tomorrow! White Album 2's OP/ED/IS CD Todokanai Koi '13 (Unattainable Love '13) / Sayonara no Koto (Say goodbye) / closing '13 is so good! I can't stop playing this! No karaoke mixes here, just three great songs. Rena Uehara is awesome, almost too bad she's such a good vocalist that she doesn't have time to be a seiyuu. She is popular so it could do well? Nice anime obi card and bonus photo from CDJapan. Hitomi Harada's Anicca / Burnt Red is great too, another rockin' OP, this time for Unbreakable Machine Doll. Burnt Red is great too, they use it as the theme song of the smart phone game "Facing 'Burnt Red'" and I wonder if it won't be used as an insert song somewhere in the anime as it is really good, maybe even better than Anicca. Love the bonus photo. The Little Busters! Refrain ED Kimi tono nakusimono / Namida no Tsubasa is really good too and the cover image is a total spoiler! If you watched season 1 you will know enough to fathom what it means... VN readers won't be spoiled of course. Totally cheap package though, the CD faces outward so it doesn't need to have a rear image on the thin jewel case, cheap cheap cheap! And last but not least the Non Non Biyori ED/OP CD, death by cuteness! The B side Hidamari Egao is listed as the opening theme of their radio show, Non Non Biyori Uebu Rajio Non Non dayori! Nanon. Symphogear G v.2 is totally awesome, to finally see and hear it properly after it wasn't streamed legally. OST CD2 is great though too short again. Can't wait for v.3! |
hpulleyNov 11, 2013 5:48 PM
hpulley said: Kaioshin_Sama said: Well, if you dislike 98% of what's out there I can see why you aren't positive about it but... hate to break it to you but anime may not be your thing anymore, not modern anime anyways. Complaining about Japanese anime made for Japanese buyers on MAL isn't going to change anime one bit. Venting can be therapeutic but I'm not sure in this case.... When all but 2 of the show in the top 100 for anime this season are among the ones you found least watchable when you tried them yet again for what seems like nth season in a row and the biggest selling anime of the year (2nd biggest?) is one you find utterly loathsome in terms of content, it's just really hard to find much positive to say about this topic... ---- On a positive topic I am dying to see the CD chart tomorrow! White Album 2's OP/ED/IS CD Todokanai Koi '13 (Love won't come '13) / Sayonara no Koto (Say goodbye) / closing '13 is so good! I can't stop playing this! No karaoke mixes here, just three great songs. Rena Uehara is awesome, almost too bad she's such a good vocalist that she doesn't have time to be a seiyuu. She is popular so it could do well? Nice anime obi card and bonus photo from CDJapan. Hitomi Harada's Anicca / Burnt Red is great too, another rockin' OP, this time for Unbreakable Machine Doll. Burnt Red is great too, they use it as the theme song of the smart phone game "Facing 'Burnt Red'" and I wonder if it won't be used as an insert song somewhere in the anime as it is really good, maybe even better than Anicca. Love the bonus photo. The Little Busters! Refrain ED Kimi tono nakusimono / Namida no Tsubasa is really good too and the cover image is a total spoiler! If you watched season 1 you will know enough to fathom what it means... VN readers won't be spoiled of course. Totally cheap package though, the CD faces outward so it doesn't need to have a rear image on the thin jewel case, cheap cheap cheap! And last but not least the Non Non Biyori ED/OP CD, death by cuteness! The B side Hidamari Egao is listed as the opening theme of their radio show, Non Non Biyori Uebu Rajio Non Non dayori! Nanon. Symphogear G v.2 is totally awesome, to finally see and hear it properly after it wasn't streamed legally. OST CD2 is great though too short again. Can't wait for v.3! That's not true, I'm enjoying plenty of shows this season (just not the ones that are forever drowning in or getting sidetracked by pandering BS and offer little aside from otaku wank in-jokes/dialogue), but it seems like aside from Kill La Kill either people aren't watching them so they rarely see my positive comments on them or they're the shows that get the heaviest criticisms in general by this community. Examples of shows I'm really enjoying this season include Gundam Build Fighters, White Album 2, Samurai Flamenco, Yowamushi Pedal, Ace of Diamond, Galilei Donna. 2 sports themed shows, 1 Romance, one superhero show and 2 sci-fi/mecha series respectively. I'm also finding Strike the Blood and Tokyo Ravens decent but not great as well. It's not that I don't enjoy anime anymore, it's just that the shows and episodes people on MAL seem to rave about the most like they are gods gift typically tend to be the ones I find revolting or a fundamental failure on some level. Not much I can do about that other than argue with them otherwise and call it a day. |
PeacingOutNov 11, 2013 4:30 PM
Kaioshin_Sama said: I'm glad you like something! It sounded like you didn't like any anime this season.... It's not that I don't enjoy anime anymore, it's just that the shows and episodes people on MAL seem to rave about the most like they are gods gift typically tend to be the ones I find revolting or a fundamental failure on some level. Not much I can do about that other than argue with them otherwise and call it a day. You don't need other people's praise of your favorite shows to justify your taste, to validate the ones you like. If you like them, you like them and that's all that really counts. It is nice to have some good discussion about shows you like so it is disappointing when few are watching your favorites but that's just how it is sometimes. All you can do is try to positively talk about the shows you like and hope that others will join in. Edit: though I looked and didn't see you in the episode discussions of too many of those shows. You should add more there too. |
hpulleyNov 11, 2013 6:46 PM
Higashi_no_Kaze said: But the odd thing is this new psycho-lesbian character (in 2ch parlance) is not even doing any groping or close body contact at all (except a big hug which you would expect for friends not seen each other for a long time). So if there is any trope, it is more like the character is doing some anti-trope of what your generic "fanservice only lesbian" (in your words) is doing. And if such anti-trope indeed is ALL the reason for the big boost it got, I would be very interested to find out why because it is precisely the opposite of what you were saying here: that some generic groping lesbian tropes are doing wonders.Not talking about lesbian-focused anime, but the kind of fanservice only lesbian, who probably isn't lesbian, but behaves like it as to allow for some groping action that supposedly shouldn't feel forced as well as as to have a 'good' reason to be another (hot) character that has reasons for treating male MCs like shit. . jmal said: I am sure I am a lot older than most anime fans, and this includes the older demography which has the means to spend on anime BD/DVD, but I have not got tired of harems or LN adaptations (love Index). On the other hand, I have got tired of shounen adaptation that goes on and on - the odd thing is that a lot of grown-up adults actually have no problem loving shounen manga adaptation like One Piece or Dragonball, while I have long given them up because of "tired tropes". So I guess at the end grown-ups and older people are not necessarily more likely to get tired of every kind of "tropes". I always try to remind myself that many anime fans are both younger than I am and have seen less shows than I have, therefore they may not yet be tired of the things I've grown tired of. In particular I've moved further and further away from harems and action-oriented light novel adaptations with male protagonists. So I try to shrug off the success of the SAOs and Indexes with a "it's just not my thing". Kaioshin_Sama said: You made a few mistakes here:Hoppy said: Japan loves that sort of stuff 4Koma stuff, not sure what you're talking about.Non Non Biyori is doing well, the hearts of Japan are warming and melting better than expcted, hopefully it translates to excellent sales. 1. Not all of Japan loves that sort of 4-koma stuff. There are many who are never into SoL or 4koma. 2. Even for those who are into 4koma stuff, they are not warm to every 4koma anime and not all 4koma anime do well. So Hoppy's observation is not something tautological like you are suggesting here. |
symbvNov 11, 2013 9:41 PM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
hpulley said: I'm glad you like something! It sounded like you didn't like any anime this season. lol I keep telling people that in the long run I'm not actually that hard to please and can get quite invested in anime still, it just looks bad in venues like this where I have a lot of critical observations and opinions to make. If we have any shows that we're watching that crossover shoot me a line and I'm sure we can have some discussions about it. You don't need other people's praise of your favorite shows to justify your taste, to validate the ones you like. If you like them, you like them and that's all that really counts. Thank god for that or I'd be waiting around for a long long time given my preference for mecha shows like Valvrave and Gundam Build Fighters that people either trash on at the drop of a hat or aren't watching. It is nice to have some good discussion about shows you like so it is disappointing when few are watching your favorites but that's just how it is sometimes. All you can do is try to positively talk about the shows you like and hope that others will join in. Edit: though I looked and didn't see you in the episode discussions of too many of those shows. You should add more there too. Well like I said shoot me a line on my user profile once in a while and I'll definitely talk about some stuff. Most of the discussion I have about shows I'm following tend to be in private over MSN and the like simply because a) Again very few people likely to be watching them on sites like MAL and b) I can keep it to worthwhile discussions that way without being totally misunderstood, misquoted or just having everything in between what I write be one liners and generic comments. Essentially I find the average episode thread on MAL to rarely contain the sort of discussions I feel like engaging in unless it's to try to stress upon people the reasons for my criticisms, which is most of the posting I engage in that people actually seem to respond to. I'll also go on record as saying that I've found Index is one of the few Light Novel franchises I've watched multiple seasons of and not really gotten tired of. Not really sure what it is about it other than that the setting and cast just feel more realized than the average LN and like it's actually going somewhere and building to something. Frankly a lot of the commentary and negativity I'm noticing a lot of people have towards Shonen anime nowadays kind of saddens me as I tend to find shonen/sports what have you anime among the most watchable, enjoyable and engaging out there and it's not necessarily because of the fights but the genuine emotional investment I feel I get out of the lot of them. Somehow I find the majority of what are ostensibly daytime kids shows far more engrossing and in some ways mature and meaningful than much of what airs on late night TV and is supposed to be targeted towards adults. |
PeacingOutNov 11, 2013 8:29 PM
Kaioshin_Sama said: Like Proguesz said, critical observations and opinions are not the problem, critical opinions with little backup of evidence, obsessive repetitions of same opinion when the context was not even about it, and a ranting tone are what looks bad, and it does not have to do with venue like this one or the next (though of course I guess in venues like 4chan it does not even look bad).it just looks bad in venues like this where I have a lot of critical observations and opinions to make. |
symbvNov 11, 2013 8:34 PM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: Kaioshin_Sama said: Like Proguesz said, critical observations and opinions are not the problem, critical opinions with little backup of evidence, obsessive repetitions of same opinion when the context was not even about it, and a ranting tone are what looks bad, and it does not have to do with venue like this one or the next (though of course I guess in venues like 4chan it does not even look bad).it just looks bad in venues like this where I have a lot of critical observations and opinions to make. I think I tend to provide plenty of evidence, examples and reasons in a lot of my critiques. Whether people accept them as such is I guess another thing entirely. Honestly the last thing I expected to hear from anyone is that I never go in depth and just sound like an angry rabid ranter so really not sure what to say to that at all. That's....new.... |
Kaioshin_Sama said: I am not sure you ever gave much convincing evidence about what most people remember you of in this venue: the super-loyal KyoAni fanboys. I think I tend to provide plenty of evidence, examples and reasons in a lot of my critiques. Oh the ranting tone is not necessarily directed at you. Just something I add on to make the statement *less* directed at you and more general. Kaioshin_Sama said: It may not be related to what you said but I remember asking a blogger who is particularly prone to rant on his blogs why he had to use that kind of language in his blog. And he gave an insightful answer: He found that he got a lot more traffic to his blog and responses to his article by writing in such way. So neutral, reasonable and calm-toned discussions do not draw attention and response. It seems to be a really unfortunate fact of life in internet.Essentially I find the average episode thread on MAL to rarely contain the sort of discussions I feel like engaging in unless it's to try to stress upon people the reasons for my criticisms, which is most of the posting I engage in that people actually seem to respond to. |
symbvNov 11, 2013 8:44 PM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| I have done a brief run on the Stalker predictions for this cour's anime and how they compare with the figures precisely one week ago (i.e. Nov 5th). Just one note: Any increase and decrease (particularly the latter) may have to do with the general feel (or fatigue) with the series instead of purely because of the latest episode. And in Strike the Blood's case, it has a lot more to do with the settling down of the ranking as it was solicited really late. For categorization purpose I put any move with more than 0.2k as either Gainer or Weakened. THE GAINER: 6.5k -> 7.3k Aoki Hagane 3.1k -> 4.5k Machine Doll 3.3k -> 4.0k Yomamushi 2.9k -> 3.5k Gundamn BF 2.7k -> 3.4k Kyoukai no Kanata 2.7k -> 3.1k Yozakura 2.4k -> 3.0k Log Horizon THE WEAKENED: 12.5k -> 9.9k IS2 (vol.2) 7.7k -> 7.4k Kill la Kill 9.4k -> 7.2k LB! Refrain 7.5k -> 5.3k Strike the Blood 3.9k -> 3.0k Valvrave2 3.3k -> 3.0k Teekyuu3 2.9k -> 2.6k White Album2 The titles you don't see in the list above are those which move 0.2k or less in projection over the past one week. |
symbvNov 11, 2013 10:11 PM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
phoenixalia said: Kaioshin_Sama said: Examples of shows I'm really enjoying this season include Gundam Build Fighters, White Album 2, Samurai Flamenco, Yowamushi Pedal, Ace of Diamond, Galilei Donna. 2 sports themed shows, 1 Romance, one superhero show and 2 sci-fi/mecha series respectively. I'm also finding Strike the Blood and Tokyo Ravens decent but not great as well. Hey, I'm watching 5 of those six shows you're watching! :D Not watching Gundam BF because I'm not big on mecha anime. I may not rave about them on the forums but my number 1 anime this season is Samurai Flamenco! And with Kuroko no Basuke 2 in second place, the third most favorite anime for me is Yowamushi Pedal. I'm sure there are other people like me. You just don't see them post a lot. Samurai Flamenco is a pretty quirky series, I like that it shows a lot of love for superhero shows and burning justice and that sort of thing but am admittedly confused as to what if any direction it's heading in. Pedal has been one of my faves and I can already see a lot of room for growth in the cast. With 39 episodes there's lots of time to get to know the cast and see their struggles so I'm looking forward to it every week now. I only ever saw an episode of it and never really got into Kuroke no Basket but hear a lot about how it's actually a pretty solid basketball show and not just fujoshi fodder and actually gets it's sports down pretty well. Maybe some day I'll check it out. |
Kaioshin_Sama said: Examples of shows I'm really enjoying this season include Gundam Build Fighters, White Album 2, Samurai Flamenco, Yowamushi Pedal, Ace of Diamond, Galilei Donna. 2 sports themed shows, 1 Romance, one superhero show and 2 sci-fi/mecha series respectively. I'm also finding Strike the Blood and Tokyo Ravens decent but not great as well. No Valvrave? I'm disappointed. symbv said: 3.9k -> 3.0k Valvrave2 ahhhh.... I had hoped that the Tokyo MX crowd staying for KLK in early morning would actually watch Valvrave while waiting for that show. Maybe KLK and Valvrave's audience doesn't mix. The strategy of splitting the show into two cours seem to have backfired. Not many people follow the show into second cour when it's getting very good. Late bloomers like this one should have one long season instead of two. Only then, there would be enough time for people to change their opinions. I keep thinking that if Steins;Gate had been split like this, its success would have been a lot less. The first half of Steins;Gate was yawn-worthy. Granted that the show had had a good following of VN players, but it would lose interest from many anime-only watchers. |
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ThangLong said: I hesitate to call it a strategy because in an interview the producer said that if possible they would have done the show in one uninterrupted 2-cour period. This indicates that resource constraint, be it TV slots, animation resource, or financial matter or any other logistics reason, is the reason, not strategy per se. The strategy of splitting the show into two cours seem to have backfired. In fact, the rise of split cours is the same story all around. If possible I would bet the production of any split cour show prefers to go for an unsplit route. Split cour is more likely a compromise than a real strategy. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| ^ True, it's more of time constraints and resources management. However, it's also the fact that producers did not predict the show would have received so much negativity. This was supposed to be the successor of Code Geass in term of style and story telling, and Sunrise's next franchise judging by how much material released accompanying the anime. My guess is that they were thinking it would be the same as the first season of Geass episode 24, 25. |
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scytheavatar said: When did the vote take place? I am interested in checking the source. There are a lot of strong claimants, both present and past, for such title, and I would like to see how other titles fared compared to KnB.people have voted KnB as the best Shounen Jump adaptation of all time for good reasons. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
Kaioshin_Sama said: it seems like aside from Kill La Kill either people aren't watching them so they rarely see my positive comments on them or they're the shows that get the heaviest criticisms in general by this community. Examples of shows I'm really enjoying this season include Gundam Build Fighters, White Album 2, Samurai Flamenco, Yowamushi Pedal, Ace of Diamond, Galilei Donna. Actually I would say that from what I've seen across various websites (all of which are western ones), Samurai Flemenco is getting the reception that is the most positive of all the new anime series airing this season. This is then followed by Non Non Biyori, then Kyousougiga and Golden Time. At the other end of the scale, the ones which I've seen mainly dislike for are Walkure Romanze, then Meganebu, then YuuShibu (mainly from people who saw a superficial similarity to HaMaou and thus expected it to be exactly the same), Coppelion and BlazBlue. Just my observations, so not necessarily representative, and all are how positive/negative the debate seems to be, not the volume of positivity/negativity (otherwise Kill la Kill would probably be top of both lists). |
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scytheavatar said: symbv said: scytheavatar said: When did the vote take place? I am interested in checking the source. There are a lot of strong claimants, both present and past, for such title, and I would like to see how other titles fared compared to KnB.people have voted KnB as the best Shounen Jump adaptation of all time for good reasons. http://ani.me/zine/anime/article/3616/ I was about to go crazy because Full metal alchemist: Brotherhood wasn't there, but then I remembered it wasn't Jump. |
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| Part of this week's results: Legend: BD sales (DVD sales) Free! v3 15,984(11,156) HaMamou v5 *7,930(*1,192) SymphogearG v2 6,263(*,663) Free! dropped pretty little form v2. On the other hand SymphogearG V2 dropped by 35% from first week sales of v1. As I don't do news mods anymore, somebody else will post the BD/DVD/CD singles+album chart for this week (and future weeks). scytheavatar said: OK, that was done by the users of the now-defunct Anime One website. I had thought that it was something done by Shounen Jump but I forgot that such polls can be done by any forum or organization. symbv said: http://ani.me/zine/anime/article/3616/scytheavatar said: When did the vote take place? I am interested in checking the source. There are a lot of strong claimants, both present and past, for such title, and I would like to see how other titles fared compared to KnB.people have voted KnB as the best Shounen Jump adaptation of all time for good reasons. |
symbvNov 12, 2013 12:19 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: As I don't do news mods anymore, somebody else will post the BD/DVD/CD singles+album chart for this week (and future weeks). Are you going on vacation or something? |
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VioLink said: Well, my schedule may get more eccentric in future, and may not be able put in the needed time and effort to write up an informative news post. Now that there are new news mods, it is a good timing to hand baton to the new generation. And one very good benefit of stepping down from the News Mods position is that those who are immature and overly sensitive enough to bash me and accuse me of abusive of my position just because I am a news mods (which comes with no special power except starting a news thread) now lose their excuse to hide behind the veil of mods abuse victimhood.symbv said: Are you going on vacation or something?As I don't do news mods anymore, somebody else will post the BD/DVD/CD singles+album chart for this week (and future weeks). |
symbvNov 12, 2013 1:25 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: VioLink said: Well, my schedule may get more eccentric in future, and may not be able provide the right timing and needed effort to write up an informative news post. Now that there are new news mods, it is a good timing to hand baton to the new generation. And one very good benefit of stepping down from the News Mods position is that those who are immature and overly sensitive enough to bash me and accuse me of abusive of my position just because I am a news mods with no special power (except starting a news thread) now lose their excuse to hide behind the veil of mods abuse victimhood.symbv said: Are you going on vacation or something?As I don't do news mods anymore, somebody else will post the BD/DVD/CD singles+album chart for this week (and future weeks). Ah, I see. That's a shame the news team is losing the most knowledgable person on the anime industry on this site. But at least you'll still be here. Thanks for your hard work! |
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Hahalollawl said: You will be surprised at how many people (and the length they went to) do that kind of thing. Anyway, it is not as if I am leaving MAL. I will still provide insights and information on Japanese viewer, market and industry by making the standard posts. And I will keep fighting prejudice and correcting misunderstanding in this forum, which is one big reason why I came here in the first place - in fact, not being a news mods makes this endeavor much easier to proceed. People do that? Sheesh maybe some people should get over it and not be so quick to feel victimized. Anyways, I hope whoever is taking over has a similar "finger on the pulse" of the Japanese viewer. I appreciated that kind of "insider" perspective you seemed to have. And thanks for your kind words, Hahalollawl and VioLink. I appreciate it. :-) Anyway, some of the major CD data: 37259 Madoka movie3 ED (Kalafina) 21431 Magi2 OP 14419 total 53865 Madoka movie3 OP (ClariS) 12633 Yozakura OP 7795 Tokyo Ravens OP 6944 total 103582 Valvrave2 OP 5844 IS2 OP 5826 Machine Doll OP 3608 White Album2 OP/ED 3333 LB! Refrain ED 3208 total 13584 Aoki Hagane OP 2864 total 12957 Kyoukai no Kanata OP 2737 Coppelion OP/ED 2138 total 8306 Strike the Blood OP 2012 Non Non Biyori ED |
symbvNov 12, 2013 1:06 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Thanks for this week's numbers and all your work here, symbv. Hope the next person in the relay is as quick to post results! Symphogear v1 had a big event ticket boost, too bad. Was hoping it was smaller. Had hoped for better sales on WA2 OP/ED. |
ThangLong said: ^ True, it's more of time constraints and resources management. However, it's also the fact that producers did not predict the show would have received so much negativity. This was supposed to be the successor of Code Geass in term of style and story telling, and Sunrise's next franchise judging by how much material released accompanying the anime. My guess is that they were thinking it would be the same as the first season of Geass episode 24, 25. If there's one thing that I've always found is a safe bet it's Sunrise shows receiving tons of negativity from the internet. At least where the West is concerned, but seemingly now Japan too. Holy shit does the West just have absolutely no love for this studio, especially on blogs where their shows are regularly among the most frequent trashed and ranted about. I remember particularly when I blogged for a few years it almost seemed like a hobby for some of my peers to take the utmost glee in proclaiming the awfulness of Sunrise anime and how they and the staff involved could do absolutely no right, particularly Gundam 00 and Code Geass which were the two big ones at the time. In general though I find when you hear their name or a shows name dropped it's almost always as a negative example or with a "trainwreck" suffix attached on the end. As for Valvrave yeah I'm watching it but still consider it a continuation of a Spring season so I didn't mention it. |
PeacingOutNov 12, 2013 2:18 AM
Kaioshin_Sama said: But the crucial difference is that I seldom hear feedback from Japan booing a Sunrise's show just because it is a Sunrise show. Those who dislike Valvrave dislike it only because of what they see in it, not because of any negative impression about Sunrise. If anything Sunrise still commands quite much respect in Japan and since it is so big with so many studios inside, fans do not really set a particular expectation (except that the budget should be plentiful) when they hear it is from Sunrise. Besides, I surely heard way more positive than negative feedback on Love Live! (yes, even taking the Kotori's arc before the ending into account).If there's one thing that I've always found is a safe bet it's Sunrise shows receiving tons of negativity from the internet. At least where the West is concerned, but seemingly now Japan too. And thank you, phoenixalia and hpulley, for your encouraging words. |
symbvNov 12, 2013 2:26 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: Kaioshin_Sama said: But the crucial difference is that I seldom hear feedback from Japan booing Sunrise just because it is a Sunrise show. Those who dislike Valvrave dislike it only because of what they see in it, not because of any negative impression about Sunrise. If anything Sunrise still commands quite much respect in Japan and since it is so big with so many studios inside, fans do not really set a particular expectation (except that the budget should be good) when they hear it is from Sunrise. Besides, I surely heard way more positive than negative feedback on Love Live! (yes, even taking the Kotori's arc before the ending into account).If there's one thing that I've always found is a safe bet it's Sunrise shows receiving tons of negativity from the internet. At least where the West is concerned, but seemingly now Japan too. Well hear it's just par for the course really. Even if it didn't have those things Japan doesn't like it'd probably still get that kind of a reception hear because they have a rather poor reputation for being the "trainwreck" studio, which I happen to not think is true at all and at best an ill-defined description but I guess through repetition and enough band-wagoners has become the status quo. These days I get the sense that their name is often looked at as a thing to be wary of rather than to expect anything good though perhaps it's not as much of a given lately, though this might just be that I no longer follow the blog scene and possibly just don't see the pretty much universal negativity I saw for the likes of Gundam 00 for example. They also rarely enter the conversation when it comes to shows with large budgets and top quality animation in spite of the results IMO kind of speaking for themselves a lot of the time like with this weeks Gundam Build Fighter episode. Also I don't think Love Live was anywhere near as popular or talked about here as it was in Japan where it was apparently one of the biggest hits of the year. Kind of silly that you get bashed by people for abuse of mod position which I somehow find highly unlikely. Your kind of like the Ned Flanders of forum moderators from where I'm sitting. |
| Glad to see Non Non Biyori getting some love. That episode 4 is just classic. Classic I tell you. Too bad NouCome and Outbreak Company aren't getting enough attention. Those two shows are hilarious. |
"May those who accept their fate be granted happiness." "May those who defy their fate be granted glory." |
symbv said: Anyway, some of the major CD data: 37259 Madoka movie3 ED (Kalafina) Yay really like this amazing single. :D Also thanks for your hardwork symbv, been reading some of your comments back on GuP thread :p |
symbv said: Higashi_no_Kaze said: But the odd thing is this new psycho-lesbian character (in 2ch parlance) is not even doing any groping or close body contact at all (except a big hug which you would expect for friends not seen each other for a long time). So if there is any trope, it is more like the character is doing some anti-trope of what your generic "fanservice only lesbian" (in your words) is doing. And if such anti-trope indeed is ALL the reason for the big boost it got, I would be very interested to find out why because it is precisely the opposite of what you were saying here: that some generic groping lesbian tropes are doing wonders.Not talking about lesbian-focused anime, but the kind of fanservice only lesbian, who probably isn't lesbian, but behaves like it as to allow for some groping action that supposedly shouldn't feel forced as well as as to have a 'good' reason to be another (hot) character that has reasons for treating male MCs like shit. . Okay, I'll give you that so far we've only seen the side of her that gets crazy and in the face of the male MC. So maybe the being-treated-like-shit thing is more attractive than the groping (see: the appeal of tsunderes). Even without any interest in the MC or any kind of a dere side (towards him) it still seems to work. It wouldn't surprise me at all if some more fanservice scenes with the two girls follow though, so until that hasn't happened for a couple of more episodes I won't call it an anti-trope. Even now it's more like a half-trope than really 'anti'. I might've been a bit quick to judge, but she's the kind of character where I can already picture the full extent of her role and most of her scenes for the whole show after her first appearance. Maybe I'm wrong, but usually I don't judge quickly and when I do I'm correct more often than I'm not. Anyway, I'll just hang on and hope Kaoishin is right and it's mostly some kind of book 2 slump. scytheavatar said: symbv said: scytheavatar said: When did the vote take place? I am interested in checking the source. There are a lot of strong claimants, both present and past, for such title, and I would like to see how other titles fared compared to KnB.people have voted KnB as the best Shounen Jump adaptation of all time for good reasons. http://ani.me/zine/anime/article/3616/ For some reason I can't really take this serious. Seems more like a popularity contest among the western fanbase. Otherwise I'm fairly sure Bleach would NOT be above One Piece, definitely not in the top 5 and a lot of other stuff would be different too. I guess most people just voted for their favorite anime no matter if they even know the manga or not. e: Also sadface because of symbv leaving the News Team. You'll be missed. I hope you still lurk around the news forums sometimes :). |
AlcoholicideNov 12, 2013 10:11 AM
| I probably regret this post by now. |
Higashi_no_Kaze said: So what is the "full extent of her role" you could tell? Some of the parts we already know: MC being treated like shit, yuri obsession with the heroine, fanservice of course. These could be told by everyone paying attention. So what is your additional insight about her "full extent of her role" on top of this? Okay, I'll give you that so far we've only seen the side of her that gets crazy and in the face of the male MC. So maybe the being-treated-like-shit thing is more attractive than the groping (see: the appeal of tsunderes). Even without any interest in the MC or any kind of a dere side (towards him) it still seems to work. It wouldn't surprise me at all if some more fanservice scenes with the two girls follow though, so until that hasn't happened for a couple of more episodes I won't call it an anti-trope. Even now it's more like a half-trope than really 'anti'. I might've been a bit quick to judge, but she's the kind of character where I can already picture the full extent of her role and most of her scenes for the whole show after her first appearance. Maybe I'm wrong, but usually I don't judge quickly and when I do I'm correct more often than I'm not. By the way, thanks your kind words too Higashi_no_Kaze. ;-) |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: Higashi_no_Kaze said: So what is the "full extent of her role" you could tell? Some of the parts we already know: MC being treated like shit, yuri obsession with the heroine, fanservice of course. These could be told by everyone paying attention. So what is your additional insight about her "full extent of her role" on top of this? Okay, I'll give you that so far we've only seen the side of her that gets crazy and in the face of the male MC. So maybe the being-treated-like-shit thing is more attractive than the groping (see: the appeal of tsunderes). Even without any interest in the MC or any kind of a dere side (towards him) it still seems to work. It wouldn't surprise me at all if some more fanservice scenes with the two girls follow though, so until that hasn't happened for a couple of more episodes I won't call it an anti-trope. Even now it's more like a half-trope than really 'anti'. I might've been a bit quick to judge, but she's the kind of character where I can already picture the full extent of her role and most of her scenes for the whole show after her first appearance. Maybe I'm wrong, but usually I don't judge quickly and when I do I'm correct more often than I'm not. By the way, thanks your kind words too Higashi_no_Kaze. ;-) Let my try my luck ;) Eventually she'll fall for the MC like any girl should and show her love by still hitting him a lot? Mild importance for the plot, but nothing that couldn't have been done by a substitute, probably intelligence related because she's part of that organization. I also think some pretty tragic backstory that made her so obsessed is in order at some point. Might just be wrong, but the main point is that those 3 aspects you named will probably define more than 80% of her scenes. What we see in the first 5 minutes of her appearance is what we got, is more or less the 'full extent of her role', I'm afraid, which is why I don't like her. I'm totally up for being proven wrong though, it's just my impression. But enough predictions :P |
AlcoholicideNov 13, 2013 10:41 AM
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| Hmmmm, after reading the posts about this "lesbian char", I cant seem the remember the last time I've seen an anime with a lesbian char that doesnt abuse the MC and sexually abuse/tease the girl she likes who actually likes the MC, which in turn gives the lesbian a reason (no matter how stupid it is) to abuse the MC. Ofc, I'm talking about comedy animes because non-comedy animes dont usually have MCs who tend to get abused for the tiniest or absolutely no reasons at all. Is there a reason for most lesbian chars to be portrayed as such a type of char? |
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jmal said: AdolTheRed said: Hmmmm, after reading the posts about this "lesbian char", I cant seem the remember the last time I've seen an anime with a lesbian char that doesnt abuse the MC and sexually abuse/tease the girl she likes who actually likes the MC, which in turn gives the lesbian a reason (no matter how stupid it is) to abuse the MC. Characters like this tend to either harbor crushes on the male MC in the end or end up being "just friends" with the main girl, and are not treated seriously as romantic options by the story. I'd say they're outnumbered by characters in shows with all or mostly female casts, which skirt around the issue to various degrees (nearly screaming out "Yes I'm gay!!" but stopping ever so short), like Yuyushiki, Kin-iro Mosaic, Non Non Biyori, Yuru Yuri, etc. Very different sorts of characters. If we're talking straight up canon lesbian characters who are openly treated as such in the show, then honestly the list is very small (Sasameki Koto and Aoi Hana of course, plus side characters in Horizon, Mouretsu, Kanamemo, and Yozakura making up some of the commonly cited examples of the past few years). Hopefully Sakura Trick can turn that around and increase the numbers but... we'll see. Anyway the archetype you mention is definitely not the entirety of lesbian or lesbian-leaning characters in anime. Yah, I know that they usually go down that route but I was more curious about their tendancy to over-abuse the MC majority of the time. And I was referring to animes with male MCs. I dont often watch all female cast or only female main chars, so I'm not sure whether or not such lesbian chars physically abuse the other main female char at the same level of the ones who physically abuse male MCs. Hell, I cant even imagine it lol. My bad, I should have been more clear. I know that lesbian chars in romance or comedy animes with male MCs tend to be rare compared to lesbian chars as a whole, but its like everytime there is a lesbian char in such animes, they always tend to physically abuse the MC and sexually abuse the female MC/more important female char. Basically, the type of lesbian char that Higashi and symbv were talking about above. So yah, its the lesbian (either main or side) to male ( usually main) interactions that I was talking about. The sexual teasing/fanservice with other female chars (whether with consent or not of the other parties involved) I'm guessing is there in most shows that can show such scenes. O and Horizon I guess is a rare case? The lesbians are already a couple rather than 1 lesbian being in love with a straight female, and they didnt get/need to abuse the MC for w.e reason, even though they were side chars who barely had much interaction with the MC. |
AdolTheRedNov 13, 2013 2:07 PM
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Higashi_no_Kaze said: Actually I also think she would fall for the MC. I mean, it is the development that would generate the most interesting interactions between the characters. And besides, from the OP etc we can tell she is part of the MC's harem (and I think everyone should know by now it is indeed a harem anime even though the harem part is not stressed so much compared to say Campione, which is an anime that fans often compare StB with). Let my try my luck ;) Eventually she'll fall for the MC like any girl should and show her love by still hitting him a lot? Mild importance for the plot, but nothing that couldn't have been done by a substitute, probably intelligence related because she's part of that organization. I also think some pretty tragic backstory that made her so obsessed is in order at some point. Might just be wrong, but the main point is that those 3 aspects you named will probably define more than 80% of her scenes. What we see in the first 5 minutes of her appearance is what we got, is more or less the 'full extent of her role', I'm afraid, which is why I don't like her. I'm totally up for being proven wrong though, it's just my impression. But enough predictions :P I am not sure about the backstory. You think she must have lost a sister or something which is why she was so attached to Yukina? Perhaps, but then I think that school from which Yukina and Sayaka came from is something like an orphanage so I guess sad stories abound there. Actually I was thinking about the technical role she would play in the story and plot as well when I asked about "full extent of role", not just character and personality and not just with the MC (she will interact with other characters, right?). And to be honest, I never expect characters come with too complex characters (or relationship with the hero/heroine) for this kind of anime. In fact it may perhaps be better to keep it simple. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
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