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| Sexy boys doing horny things, it sounds super boring, but if that's what my girl wants, it can't be helped. |
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Takuan_Soho said: hikoghert said: "Oh no. They aren't abiding by the stereotypical gender roles set out by society. That makes me uncomfortable." But I would disagree with that anyway. Rin was pretty stereotypically male, and Rin and Haru's competitiveness was characteristic of typical male aggression or whatever. Uncomfortable? Hardly, I don't have your hang ups. It would help also if you got rid of your bias when you comment. I specifically said I had no issues with boys acting like girls. Please pay attention. As for Rin acting like a stereotypical male. Name one place. Typical Tsundere attitude. Go back and watch the animation. Watch how the characters move. Then substitute female shapes for the male shapes. The hunched shoulder balled fist agitated figure is there (from two of the characters), the bending forward looking longingly into the other's eyes is there, the drooped shoulders apologizing to the teacher is there, the sharing of lunch is there, hell they wouldn't even have to change the characters names (indeed it is stressed that all four have female sounding names) - how much more obvious do they have to make it? The use of the ~chan between high school males? If they were working at a Japanese inn instead of it being focused on swimming this would be Hanasaku Iroha. So it's kind of hard for KyoAni to make the guys "move" like guys and "act" like them...so what if they aren't your "typical male characters"? First of all, the "instances" you described where they seem to be substitute female shapes for "male shapes", I don't follow you at all. Guys can act however they want, and the behavior you described is actually quite normal. I've seen some of my male friends do it themselves. Second of all, how does dropping your shoulders and apologizing to teachers indicate that they were supposed to be girls? I'm sorry, but that's completely ridiculous. Sharing lunch is completely normal between guys or at least there's nothing wrong about that. I've seen guy share lunches, is it really that rare? Sharing is caring. Sharing is not only restricted to girls. Cut them some slack, I mean you can tell they kind of really did try with the anatomy of the male body. So much exposure. Looks pretty legit to me, so yeah, they're guys in my eyes. Still not quite understand how you're looking at them. EarlCiel said: Haruka has no shame, he will take it off no matter where he is, no matter who is front of him, no matter what anyone says to him...he's definitely a guy xD Takuan_Soho said: Replace Haruka with Haruhi, change the gender and that sentence would be equally true. Okay, so I'm not about to argue with you why a guy stripping and exposing himself is something a girl wouldn't do. I will not go there. You should know perfectly well why, I don't need to explain. |
EarlCielJul 3, 2013 8:41 PM
| Im so red right now OH MY GOD... I CANT EXPLAIN HOW HAPPY I AM TO SEE THIS SHOW 100000000000/10 SO BEAUTFUL AND HANDSOME AND AMAZING |
| People are taking this wayyy too seriously! Just sit back and enjoy the show! :D |
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Lulexiaa said: Im so red right now OH MY GOD... I CANT EXPLAIN HOW HAPPY I AM TO SEE THIS SHOW 100000000000/10 SO BEAUTFUL AND HANDSOME AND AMAZING OH MY GOOOOOOOD!!! <3 |
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Takuan_Soho said: hikoghert said: "Oh no. They aren't abiding by the stereotypical gender roles set out by society. That makes me uncomfortable." But I would disagree with that anyway. Rin was pretty stereotypically male, and Rin and Haru's competitiveness was characteristic of typical male aggression or whatever. Uncomfortable? Hardly, I don't have your hang ups. It would help also if you got rid of your bias when you comment. I specifically said I had no issues with boys acting like girls. Please pay attention. This retort is nonsensical. 1. Since I called you out on your 'dislike' there is no way I would have 'hang ups' about transcending gender roles. 2. You contradicted yourself. You said you disliked it but then said you had no issue with it. Having dislike is having an issue. Takuan_Soho said: As for Rin acting like a stereotypical male. Name one place. Typical Tsundere attitude. I found his entire scene at the abandoned pool to be 'stereotypically male'. Guys can be tsundere but Rin was in no way tsundere... Takuan_Soho said: Go back and watch the animation. Watch how the characters move. Then substitute female shapes for the male shapes. The hunched shoulder balled fist agitated figure is there (from two of the characters), the bending forward looking longingly into the other's eyes is there, the drooped shoulders apologizing to the teacher is there, the sharing of lunch is there, hell they wouldn't even have to change the characters names (indeed it is stressed that all four have female sounding names) - how much more obvious do they have to make it? The use of the ~chan between high school males? If they were working at a Japanese inn instead of it being focused on swimming this would be Hanasaku Iroha. Is your issue more of a technical issue than a behavioural issue? I'm sorry, it wasn't clear in your first post. Are you taking issue with KyotoAnimation's laziness in that they seemingly made no attempt to change their animation style to model the characters on how many males typically move and instead just used their female templates? Or with the characters behaving in a 'girly' manner in the context of the story? Because you've listed examples of both in the same paragraph (in fact, in your response they seem to overlap). The second issue is far less sympathetic. |
hikoghertJul 3, 2013 8:43 PM
EarlCiel said: EarlCiel said: Haruka has no shame, he will take it off no matter where he is, no matter who is front of him, no matter what anyone says to him...he's definitely a guy xD Takuan_Soho said: Replace Haruka with Haruhi, change the gender and that sentence would be equally true. Okay, so I'm not about to argue with you why a guy stripping and exposing himself is something a girl wouldn't do. I will not go there. You should know perfectly well why, I don't need to explain. Realistically Haruhi would be atypical. She would actually be an example of a girl acting like a guy per gender roles and societal double standards. |
Takuan_Soho said: Why should I cut anything "slack". Think of it this way. Imagine that there is a galge, you know male character tries to pick up all the girls. Now imagine that they switch this to an otomege, female character tries to pick up all the guys. I have no issue with that, sauce goose, sauce gander. However, imagine that all they did to "convert" the game was just to switch the gender of the characters in the game. No effort was done to make the now female character female or the now male characters male. If you were a female playing the otomege would you find this satisfying? You don't have an otomege, you have a galge that has only been gender swapped. That is what I am saying this show is. All they did was to swap the gender. As I said, watch the show and imagine all the characters as female. You wouldn't find a single thing that you would need to change. Even including the dialog. Far from "cutting KyoAni slack", they should be criticized. They finally created a show primarily for females and instead of giving them a real "otome" game, they just gave them a dressed up galge. I'm telling you to cut them some slack, because it actually works if they did whatever the heck you're getting at with the gender switch stuff. If you're saying you can switch the gender of this show so that they are all girls without changing a single thing, that's great, you know. You can do the exact same with the show Kimi to Boku (focusing on the daily lives of high school boys) which by the way has a very girly character as well. Ohh a girly character, maybe that show was actually supposed to have girl leads! What ever shall we do!! Suddenly, I feel like you can change just about any show and make it so that their genders are reversed and it would actually make sense. Know why? There are different kinds of girls in the world, and some act like guys. There are different kinds of guys in the world, and some of them act more like girls. What's wrong with that? Anime characters don't have to follow some sort of a "gender code" where they're restricted from saying or doing some things just because of their sex. It's perfectly accepted by some people, and you seem to have a problem with it. Other people watching this show-- not so much. Criticize them as much as you want, because from the looks of it you just don't seem to accept the way these guys are acting just because "normal guys" don't act this way. Unless you actually have a legit reason to be complaining, I don't really see any reason to be complaining. Unless you're offended because it kind of sounds like you are right now. |
EarlCielJul 3, 2013 9:00 PM
| Can I have a link to a forum of people complaining that girls are acting like guys? |
Amarrez said: It's not my fault you're a virgin.Red_Keys said: I love how people keep throwing around the word "fujoshi" as some sort of insult or something. I wish there were some specific term for ecchi and harem fans. Besides "virgin", that is. I honestly thought that the people who would be screaming "GAAAAAAAY" would be more annoying than the rabid defenders. Guess I was wrong. |
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Red_Keys said: Girl-chan isn't a lead character. She's a side character. But I hope she sticks around, and some sort of romance develops! A straight relationship in a fujoshi anime? Blasphemy! |
Takuan_Soho said: hikoghert said: I found his entire scene at the abandoned pool to be 'stereotypically male'. Guys can be tsundere but Rin was in no way tsundere... Oh come on, he obviously has a crush on Haruka. He is SO Tsundere that he puts Kirino to shame. hikoghert said: Is your issue more of a technical issue than a behavioural issue? I'm sorry, it wasn't clear in your first post. Are you taking issue with KyotoAnimation's laziness in that they seemingly made no attempt to change their animation style to model the characters on how many males typically move and instead just used their female templates? Or with the characters behaving in a 'girly' manner in the context of the story? Because you've listed examples of both in the same paragraph. The second issue is far less sympathetic. Mostly yes. Techncial definitely, but also behavioural in that they are, in my opinion, acting TOO much like females. Not guys with a feminine side, mind you, not even guys who want to be girls, but they acting exactly as if they were female characters. So yes, I think KyoAni is being lazy, as I said it is like a marketing person told them at the last second to change completed female characters to male characters. I think I explained it better in my last post, and I apologize if I wasn't clear in my first post. But this was why in my first post I included: "To be clear is isn't as if they guys were acting like girls, that isn't what I am saying - it's more that they ARE girls, just drawn as boys." I have zero issues with boys acting EXACTLY like girls. I also have no issues with boys acting like they do in Free! If guys IRL were to take on the exact mannerisms of the boys from Free! there would be no problems. Maybe... instead of feeling ripped off that they got a dressed up galge, this is something girls actually want. The reviews, fandom and sales will tell. I think this series from the very beginning planned to star male characters. They released prelim character designs a long time ago. And the story on which this anime is based features male characters. |
ecchijones said: Anyone else feel like the fangirls are blowing this WAYYYYYY out of proportion? I mean seriously, it wasn't that good. the fangirls are indeed blowing this out of proportion. as are the guys who are complaining about the ways the guys look. |
bobyn said: Can I have a link to a forum of people complaining that girls are acting like guys? He just doesn't see these characters in Free! as real men, I guess. Dude, take a look at...you know where. That should be enough evidence for you. they're actually guys, k? They aren't girls cross-dressing no joke Takuan_Soho said: I would never hold it against a woman as attractive as Haruhi should she decide that she wanted to strip in front of me. I am a FIRM believer in equality among the sexes :-) <--creepy smiley ...what the hell did I just read? |
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bobyn said: they're messing with us for sure. Yup. |
Red_Keys said: Girl-chan isn't a lead character. She's a side character. But I hope she sticks around, and some sort of romance develops! May be she is a man(just saying I don't know)... |
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Pitiable said: bobyn said: Can I have a link to a forum of people complaining that girls are acting like guys? He just doesn't see these characters in Free! as real men, I guess. Dude, take a look at...you know where. That should be enough evidence for you. they're actually guys, k? They aren't girls cross-dressing no joke read above, i was too lazy to quote ALSO i'm a she not a he |
bobynJul 3, 2013 9:08 PM
Roky_Chan_ said: Red_Keys said: Girl-chan isn't a lead character. She's a side character. But I hope she sticks around, and some sort of romance develops! May be she is a man(just saying I don't know)... ...she does have a guy name |
Red_Keys said: Amarrez said: It's not my fault you're a virgin.Red_Keys said: I love how people keep throwing around the word "fujoshi" as some sort of insult or something. I wish there were some specific term for ecchi and harem fans. Besides "virgin", that is. I honestly thought that the people who would be screaming "GAAAAAAAY" would be more annoying than the rabid defenders. Guess I was wrong. I don't get it red_keys, surely you must know that this anime is pandering to fujoshi...right? Just like other kyoani shows pander to other demographics. But people from outside said demographics can still enjoy these anime. I thought it was OK, I'm not sure how if I'll continue it because to be perfectly honest, it's just not my taste, but I can see straight males enjoying this show, sure. |
| Some peeps just gotta step off their high horse and admit they enjoyed what they watched instead of over-analyzing something that doesn't take itself seriously. Overall first episode was a lot of fun. I wasn't sure how they'd treat the fanservice but lord my cheeks hurt from laughing so much. Nagisa hands down made that episode for me. |
Takuan_Soho said: hikoghert said: Realistically Haruhi would be atypical. She would actually be an example of a girl acting like a guy per gender roles and societal double standards. Hey hey, now who is restricting people to stereotypical gender roles? See, this is what I meant by saying that I don't share your bias. I would never hold it against a woman as attractive as Haruhi should she decide that she wanted to strip in front of me. I am a FIRM believer in equality among the sexes :-) What? I said in my comment that I'm viewing her from a 'gender role' and 'double standard' POV, which from my previous comments is something I obviously DON'T support. Given how you've so quickly tried to attribute your incorrect reading of my comment to my 'bias', I truly have to doubt how sound your evaluation of my 'bias' is. Fact is, despite everyone's morality, society does apply stereotypical gender roles to both sexes. I believe EarlCiel was trying to say that even if Haruhi did act in that manner, it should not be used as an example of 'guys of Free! acting like girls', because IRL societal pressure would have molded many girls to reject acting in such a manner. Guys would more likely act in that manner. |
bobyn said: Pitiable said: bobyn said: Can I have a link to a forum of people complaining that girls are acting like guys? He just doesn't see these characters in Free! as real men, I guess. Dude, take a look at...you know where. That should be enough evidence for you. they're actually guys, k? They aren't girls cross-dressing no joke read above, i was too lazy to quote ALSO i'm a she not a he I was talking to whoever (Takuan_Soho ) was complaining about the gender of the main characters on this show. not sure if that person's a guy though... |
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| I thought it was alright. It's gonna be interesting to see what became of Rin but at the same time I wonder if there's gonna be any substance or if it's just a fan service-y series. Hopefully the former because the cast seems pretty cool. |
| The bad thing is that these guys look like guys, I prefer feminine guys. |
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Frontalbrise said: InfiniteRufus said: mind=blownWarning: the following joke requires you to have seen UN-GO: I worked it out guys, I FOUND THE SECRET!  Free! is about Shinjirou's life as a child! If any of you have seen Un Go, and have also seen the movie, you might remember that the beginning of the movie explored Shinjirou's past. Do you remember? Well, in that, it says how he used to be part of a swimming club. MYSTERY SOLVED. Free is just an UN GO prequel! It makes sense in too many different ways... it's kinda weird how well it works. :,D Combining two bishonen aniimes both in plot and in appearance? YES. (⊙u⊙) |
Pitiable said: bobyn said: Pitiable said: bobyn said: Can I have a link to a forum of people complaining that girls are acting like guys? He just doesn't see these characters in Free! as real men, I guess. Dude, take a look at...you know where. That should be enough evidence for you. they're actually guys, k? They aren't girls cross-dressing no joke read above, i was too lazy to quote ALSO i'm a she not a he I was talking to whoever (Takuan_Soho ) was complaining about the gender of the main characters on this show. not sure if that person's a guy though... i should've quoted i'm totally lost now |
| when I referred to "he" in my post I was referring to Takuan_Soho. okay, now I seem to be confusing myself o___o |
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Pitiable said: when I referred to "he" in my post I was referring to Takuan_Soho. okay, now I seem to be confusing myself o___o yeah im lost c.c but okay |
| Well, I tried. There's simply no way I can see myself enjoying anything about this anime. The only possible redeeming quality is the Rin imouto, but she's not enough. Dropped, obviously not for everyone. |
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| Nice. Animation and music top notch. Would have liked to see the race but we will probably see that next episode as well as Rei. |
| Oyashiro-sama will be staring intensely at the boys while they swim...watching their every move. |
| Lol, he wears his tight swimming trunks underneath his clothes. Nice episode, looking forward for the introduction of that megane guy. |
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| Well, as a guy, and expecting to see a bunch of man service and pretty much naked men for this entire show, i still oddly enjoyed the hell out of this first episode. Maybe it was because i felt that they took swimming way too seriously, or at least the main character did, and how they took there clothes off in such a funny way that i almost considered this as a comedy rather than a sports anime. Also, that OST, like seriously, i did not expect, and omg its a girl, girls are going to be in this show. Overall i thought this was a decent start up of a show, i would probably watch more but hope that i will not be weird-ed out by all the naked men on screen. |
 end card so fucking adorable. totes ship this bromance. also ship red haired girl & shota. show is hilarious & super corny. all the guys act like kyoani girls. even dance like them, lol. as if they just ported male bodies onto typical girl chars.loved the ED. |
| Isn't this basically HOTD for girls? |
| Well, it's a KyoAni show + dubstep (which is awesome). I expected more, but I don't know why. On another note, what's with those atrocious OP and ED songs? I didn't know Avenged Sevenfold and 'N Sync were still around. |
JoshJul 3, 2013 9:51 PM
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
Araby said: Well, it's a KyoAni show + dubstep (which is awesome). Not sure why I expected more. On another note, what's with those atrocious OP and ED songs? I didn't know Avenged Sevenfold and 'N Sync were still around. The ED was best part D: |
“Victor can’t be satisfied by anyone but me.”  |
| Dat Dubstep.... |
Shocked said: haha glad i wasn't the only one that noticed that looks like i have some trolly scenes look forward to with this.bobyn said: Shocked said: Itermin8rX said: I bet people wouldn't complain if it were girls touching each other. Yeah, pretty much. If this were "Swim Girls," at worst we'd get a lot of eye rolling. Though, I almost expect that the show's creators were fully aware of this. Hell, when I saw that almost-naked apron after the bathroom thing, I thought "okay, this show is screwing with us." they're messing with us for sure. Exactly. |
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ibrahim2712 said: Isn't this basically HOTD for girls? More like k-on but aimed at girls, the fanservice isn't as extreme as HOTD. inb4 theres a penis dodging a bullet |
bobyn said: I spit out my drink LOLibrahim2712 said: Isn't this basically HOTD for girls? More like k-on but aimed at girls, the fanservice isn't as extreme as HOTD. inb4 theres a penis dodging a bullet |
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| Great first episode. : 0 Dat Op was beautiful. Ending reminded me of Magi but with bishies. XD |
AnimeFan500 said: Uh, have you seen Magi? Ending reminded me of Magi but with bishies. XD Total hotties. |
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| FanService for girls, this is new for me. I'll give this a try, Lol |
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