| my friend said that he would win a fight vising me if he had a spear while i have dual swords want do you guys think and post another vs type question if you guys want |
| Dual wielding swords are a recipe for disaster. :/ A Swiss pikeman drives his pike into the swordsman from 18 feet away. |
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| I think I'd win if I had logic vs. anime too. In all seriousness, dual swords. Cause why not? |
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| dual swords are impractical. It may look cool but in reality it just allows to much of an opening on you. spear would just bypass those missed defenses easier and even stay out of the swords range if the person doesnt throw the sword spear would win very easily |
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| Dual swords are impractical, and without a shield you would have no real way of blocking Meanwhile the spear would have a much longer range and would skewer you from a distance (if the user was skilled) before you could ever dream of getting in range. |
| It really depends on the user's skill at those weapons, but for me, Dual swords because of this guy |
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| Also, I'm assuming that both combatants are unarmored cause armor changes things and the way people fight. |
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| Time to history. Medieval combat was very much about whoever had the technology to create shields, armor, or weapons that could defeat a spear - it was basically the standard by which medieval weaponry was judged because it was so versatile and cheap, meaning that the largest portion of your army would probably be using a spear. That's not to say that it was always the best - viking axes could run circles around spears because they had the same versatility (and were actually of a similar length) but more power, and by the time of the Third Crusade, Islamic scimitars were actually designed to be able to deflect spears during an attack. Shortly after that armor had become advanced enough that spears weren't as much of a threat anyways. That aside, alone a spear is almost always going to be better than a sword, assuming the swordsman doesn't have any kind of shield or amor protecting him - which, dual wielding, you wouldn't be able to anyways. You won't really see swords dual wielded through history, mostly because it's a bad idea. The exception here is again the Islamic scimitar because it is actually a very defensive weapon, but even this would only be done by cavalry. There's really no advantage that dual wielding swords would get you on foot - it would really only leave you open to attack. tl;dr spear kicks ass, don't dual wield. |
| my love spear can beat anything |
| The Spear of JUSTICE would win. |
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| A spear obviously, fighting with two swords at the same time is much harder in real life. And how are you supposed to parry a spear with your two swords? |
| Nothing can survive a thrust from my "spear". |
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| guys, aside from my invincible love spear and the spear of justice, i think the swords would win first of all, spears are generally effective in some kind of formation or if the user is mounted. 1vs1 both on foot though....all the spear guy can really do is try to hit the sword-wilder using thrusts. the is inefficient when it comes to 1 spear trying to hit a single target prsumably in an open area (unless it's a hallway). the guy with the sword could continue backing away and parrying (quite easily) until there is an opening (i'm guessing no armmour either) and then just go in for the easy kill. hell, he can just throw one sword at the spear user and bumrush him at an opening spears are good for formations, but remember - when the phalanx or legion formation broke, they threw their spears away and pulled out their gladius', or were wiped oout OP is right, swords would win assuming that they both knew how to use their weapons. |
| I would go with the swords. You're forgetting that dual swords the advantage of making you more mobile and more deadly. You can dodge or deflect a spear and once that happens, you're free to move in closer, and the spearman's done. Unlike in anime, a person can't really strike with a spear 10 times in a second. |
| I believe it's not that much about the weapon,more about the user of the weapon.Of course when it's fair and not something stupid like sandwich vs maschine gun.I also have no idea if you guys have experience in fighting,weapons,martial arts or anything else so I would say that it might be easier to handle the spear,however if two masters would have to fight spear vs dual sword I have no idea who would win. |
| It's insane how awesome Fate/Zero is. |
dperolio said: I would go with the swords. You're forgetting that dual swords the advantage of making you more mobile and more deadly. You can dodge or deflect a spear and once that happens, you're free to move in closer, and the spearman's done. Unlike in anime, a person can't really strike with a spear 10 times in a second. In that case one sword would be better, since fighting with two swords is much more difficult than it looks. |
| One bad thrust from the person wielding the spear could grant the duel wielder the victory, so i'd say the duel wielder would win. It all depends on skill level though. |
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RandomChampion said: guys, aside from my invincible love spear and the spear of justice, i think the swords would win first of all, spears are generally effective in some kind of formation or if the user is mounted. 1vs1 both on foot though....all the spear guy can really do is try to hit the sword-wilder using thrusts. the is inefficient when it comes to 1 spear trying to hit a single target prsumably in an open area (unless it's a hallway). the guy with the sword could continue backing away and parrying (quite easily) until there is an opening (i'm guessing no armmour either) and then just go in for the easy kill. hell, he can just throw one sword at the spear user and bumrush him at an opening spears are good for formations, but remember - when the phalanx or legion formation broke, they threw their spears away and pulled out their gladius', or were wiped oout Not really. Spears are actually very formidable weapons and we have evidence of spears being used in many one on one duels effectively as well as advanced techniques on mano a mano spear fighting. The thing about spear is that the spear-man can always adjust his grip on the shaft thereby always ensuring the point remains between you and him. On legion tactics, post marian legionaries did NOT use spears. They used the pilum which is a javelin and their main weapon is believe it or not the scutum. |
dankickyouJun 4, 2013 8:47 AM
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| There's a reason people didn't dual wield weapons in real life. |
dankickyou said: RandomChampion said: guys, aside from my invincible love spear and the spear of justice, i think the swords would win first of all, spears are generally effective in some kind of formation or if the user is mounted. 1vs1 both on foot though....all the spear guy can really do is try to hit the sword-wilder using thrusts. the is inefficient when it comes to 1 spear trying to hit a single target prsumably in an open area (unless it's a hallway). the guy with the sword could continue backing away and parrying (quite easily) until there is an opening (i'm guessing no armmour either) and then just go in for the easy kill. hell, he can just throw one sword at the spear user and bumrush him at an opening spears are good for formations, but remember - when the phalanx or legion formation broke, they threw their spears away and pulled out their gladius', or were wiped oout Not really. Spears are actually very formidable weapons and we have evidence of spears being used in many one on one duels effectively as well as advanced techniques on mano a mano spear fighting. The thing about spear is that the spear-man can always adjust his grip on the shaft thereby always ensuring the point remains between you and him. On legion tactics, post marian legionaries did use spears. They used the pilum which is a javelin and their main weapon is believe it or not the scutum. I agree,spears can be pretty effective,I'm trying to think of a better example but as a example I cann remember only samurai champloo when |
| It's insane how awesome Fate/Zero is. |
| Let's take this question, but change it to one character wielded 6 swords while the other wields two spears. Below is your answer, "you see"? And let's take the weapon-wielding characters but with a twist: riding and cartwheeling horses: |
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DatDanimexican said: Fuck the duel wielding, drop one of the swords.In that case one sword would be better |
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DatDanimexican said: There's a reason people didn't dual wield weapons in real life. Lots of people have dual wielded in history. Dual wield is still used today as well. |
DatDanimexican said: There's a reason people didn't dual wield weapons in real life. Yeah lol. Too many people believe that anime fighting is real life. Swords are either used by cavalry who utilized them to deadly affects like Cuiraisiers , sword and shieldmen like Spanish Rodeleros, or two handed sword style (often paired with a good suit of armor) for massive shock like German Dopplesodners. |
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dperolio said: DatDanimexican said: There's a reason people didn't dual wield weapons in real life. Lots of people have dual wielded in history. Dual wield is still used today as well. Who in history used dual wielding regularly in combat? Most of the stories with people dual wielding in combat are just boiled up myths. |
dperolio said: Lots of people have dual wielded in history. Dual wield is still used today as well. Unless you're referring to Kendo, where else is dual-wielding currently used? |
DatDanimexican said: dperolio said: DatDanimexican said: There's a reason people didn't dual wield weapons in real life. Lots of people have dual wielded in history. Dual wield is still used today as well. Who in history used dual wielding regularly in combat? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimachaerus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parrying_dagger http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nito-ryu Miyamoto Musashi is a pretty well-known example. There's more than just those of course, but a few examples. Dual wielding has been highly effective in one vs. one. |
| Skill can't beat longer reach. Obviously spear. |
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| All right assuming I am not wielding the "spear" I don't see anyway a spear could possibly beat dual swords if both wielding are equal in skill. Spear is longer and harder and takes more time to swing, if the spear wielder misses even once he is basically defenseless against the sword. Though I do agree dual wielding is redundant (it looks cool though) but a sword would still beat a spear. |
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dperolio said: DatDanimexican said: dperolio said: DatDanimexican said: There's a reason people didn't dual wield weapons in real life. Lots of people have dual wielded in history. Dual wield is still used today as well. Who in history used dual wielding regularly in combat? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimachaerus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parrying_dagger http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nito-ryu Miyamoto Musashi is a pretty well-known example. There's more than just those of course, but a few examples. Dual wielding has been highly effective in one vs. one. I have been corrected but it would still require an extensive amount of training. But generally the spear man would win, since it would require much less training to use more effectively than two swords. And I still can't see why it would be more effective to use two swords. |
dankickyou said: DatDanimexican said: There's a reason people didn't dual wield weapons in real life. Yeah lol. Too many people believe that anime fighting is real life. Swords are either used by cavalry who utilized them to deadly affects like Cuiraisiers , sword and shieldmen like Spanish Rodeleros, or two handed sword style (often paired with a good suit of armor) for massive shock like German Dopplesodners. i agree spears/pikes are damn good in military combat however, this is just a 1vs1 fight |
DateYutaka said: Lu bu would beat any blade man even the great Musashi one on One Its...its Lu bu!!! D: |
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| It's true that there were some fighting techniques that required you to dual wield your weapons, but I think the OP was thinking of a person fighting with two equally heavy swords, which just seems ridiculous there are exceptions but generally it's much better to stick with one weapon, which is why there were no regiments back in the day which required several people to dual wield two equally heavy weapons. And if there were it was most likely something to show rather than use in actual combat. Kind of like the Viking horns, which actually didn't exist. |
DatDanimexican said: It's true that there were some fighting techniques that required you to dual wield your weapons, but I think the OP was thinking of a person fighting with two equally heavy swords, which just seems ridiculous there are exceptions but generally it's much better to stick with one weapon, which is why there were no regiments back in the day which required several people to dual wield two equally heavy weapons. And if there were it was most likely something to show rather than use in actual combat. Most dual wielding was done with one long blade and one short one and they were almost always only used in duels instead of battles. Even Europe had something similar with the rapier and main gauche.....But I still think dual wielding sucks :v |
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dankickyou said: DatDanimexican said: It's true that there were some fighting techniques that required you to dual wield your weapons, but I think the OP was thinking of a person fighting with two equally heavy swords, which just seems ridiculous there are exceptions but generally it's much better to stick with one weapon, which is why there were no regiments back in the day which required several people to dual wield two equally heavy weapons. And if there were it was most likely something to show rather than use in actual combat. Most dual wielding was done with one long blade and one short one and they were almost always only used in duels instead of battles. Even Europe had something similar with the rapier and main gauche.....But I still think dual wielding sucks :v Yes of course that was what I wanted to say with the post, and if anyone used it must have taken ages to train yourself to use effectively, and even then I would still prefer one/two handed weapons. |
RandomChampion said: dankickyou said: DatDanimexican said: There's a reason people didn't dual wield weapons in real life. Yeah lol. Too many people believe that anime fighting is real life. Swords are either used by cavalry who utilized them to deadly affects like Cuiraisiers , sword and shieldmen like Spanish Rodeleros, or two handed sword style (often paired with a good suit of armor) for massive shock like German Dopplesodners. i agree spears/pikes are damn good in military combat however, this is just a 1vs1 fight It doesn't matter, the spear still wins - it's all about range, the swordsman isn't going to be able to get close enough to a skilled spear user. The spear user will always dictate the fight because he can adjust his range. While the swordsman constantly needs to get in range. If he get's close enough he can just be kicked away or off balance. If the swordsman had a shield though he would stand a good chance. Sword + Shield = much more effective than sword + sword. |
apatch3 said: RandomChampion said: dankickyou said: DatDanimexican said: There's a reason people didn't dual wield weapons in real life. Yeah lol. Too many people believe that anime fighting is real life. Swords are either used by cavalry who utilized them to deadly affects like Cuiraisiers , sword and shieldmen like Spanish Rodeleros, or two handed sword style (often paired with a good suit of armor) for massive shock like German Dopplesodners. i agree spears/pikes are damn good in military combat however, this is just a 1vs1 fight It doesn't matter, the spear still wins - it's all about range, the swordsman isn't going to be able to get close enough to a skilled spear user. The spear user will always dictate the fight because he can adjust his range. While the swordsman constantly needs to get in range. If he get's close enough he can just be kicked away or off balance. If the swordsman had a shield though he would stand a good chance. Yeah spears are very underrated nowadays. *Edit* And armours. |
apatch3 said: RandomChampion said: dankickyou said: DatDanimexican said: There's a reason people didn't dual wield weapons in real life. Yeah lol. Too many people believe that anime fighting is real life. Swords are either used by cavalry who utilized them to deadly affects like Cuiraisiers , sword and shieldmen like Spanish Rodeleros, or two handed sword style (often paired with a good suit of armor) for massive shock like German Dopplesodners. i agree spears/pikes are damn good in military combat however, this is just a 1vs1 fight It doesn't matter, the spear still wins - it's all about range, the swordsman isn't going to be able to get close enough to a skilled spear user. The spear user will always dictate the fight because he can adjust his range. While the swordsman constantly needs to get in range. If he get's close enough he can just be kicked away or off balance. If the swordsman had a shield though he would stand a good chance. or if he was armored. |
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DateYutaka said: Either Lu bu's trident or Zhang Fei's Volge could smash[ deshape ] any Shield[ thats how skilled they were ] Any Shield? I don't think so. |
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Houndthree said: DateYutaka said: Either Lu bu's trident or Zhang Fei's Volge could smash[ deshape ] any Shield[ thats how skilled they were ] Any Shield? I don't think so. The Shield is fucking unbreakable, you know why? Because you cant break justice! |
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Guys, go read the Ishun vs Musashi fight. Everything about spear vs sword / dual sword.  Spears are handy, long and deadly. Swords are more orientated to close combat, but if a swordman can take a pikeman into his ground, the spear will fall. The spear wielder just needs to keep his vital range, because is the range of the weapon that makes it so good. If we clone 2 perfect warriors and give one a sword and a spear to the other, maybe the swordman could trade hits with the spear, but taking several hits. The spears are incredibly powerful weapons. |
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dankickyou said: Houndthree said: DateYutaka said: Either Lu bu's trident or Zhang Fei's Volge could smash[ deshape ] any Shield[ thats how skilled they were ] Any Shield? I don't think so. The Shield is fucking unbreakable, you know why? Because you cant break justice! Dear sir I love you. BELIEVE IN THE SHIELD |
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apatch3 said: RandomChampion said: dankickyou said: DatDanimexican said: There's a reason people didn't dual wield weapons in real life. Yeah lol. Too many people believe that anime fighting is real life. Swords are either used by cavalry who utilized them to deadly affects like Cuiraisiers , sword and shieldmen like Spanish Rodeleros, or two handed sword style (often paired with a good suit of armor) for massive shock like German Dopplesodners. i agree spears/pikes are damn good in military combat however, this is just a 1vs1 fight It doesn't matter, the spear still wins - it's all about range, the swordsman isn't going to be able to get close enough to a skilled spear user. The spear user will always dictate the fight because he can adjust his range. While the swordsman constantly needs to get in range. If he get's close enough he can just be kicked away or off balance. If the swordsman had a shield though he would stand a good chance. Sword + Shield = much more effective than sword + sword. i agree that a spear has more potential than a sword, and that a spear master can beat sword master however, if both have equal skill, the sword user can literally throw the sword (maybe a machete or something) and charge for the kill (with other sword being a real dueling sword, preferably some kind of curved sword) a lot of spear dueling techniques also employ the use of overhead strikes (so it's used like a staff too kind of). can block this with arm and maybe sword and go for the kill. the spear will get more hits, but the sword is deadlier in many more ways (since spear's deadliest motion is a only thrust) |
RandomChampionJun 4, 2013 9:47 AM
TehBlindSamurai said: Houndthree said: dankickyou said: Houndthree said: DateYutaka said: Either Lu bu's trident or Zhang Fei's Volge could smash[ deshape ] any Shield[ thats how skilled they were ] Any Shield? I don't think so. The Shield is fucking unbreakable, you know why? Because you cant break justice! Dear sir I love you. BELIEVE IN THE SHIELD No! no! noo Both of you Stop bonding IMMEDIATELY! just let the world burn dood. |
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