Toaru Kagaku no Railgun S Episode 1 Discussion

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While you may look at it as boring and pointless, others look at it as great character development for both sides involved.

Because, as a medium, one also needs to consider the "how". Again, as I mentioned, it is not natural in practice. You can have exposition, but the timing with which is done is crucial.

It isn't boring and pointless, but it is not done properly to carry out the point it's meant to convey.

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The basis is the same, but it varies for each character he is against. His "expositions" are always about how flawed his enemy's logic is or how cruel his logic is. [... ...]

This is one problem I have with not just Index but anime in general. They tend to explain things too much. There is no need to spend so much time explaining the thought process of everything and everyone when their actions already show as such. Same level of exposition is required, yes, but you don't need to keep repeating a point in words what the action or deeds of the characters have already revealed.

Index needs more subtlety is what I'm saying.

Like I have ranted earlier on this chat... (I will make this one shorter)

Actually, I think that as soon as season 3 and 4 come out and we see a much larger overlap between Index and Railgun and more of the level 5's and the Dark side of academy city, the plot will get much more interesting.

The way the second season just randomly threw in the dark side of academy city at the end shocked me and I initially thought it was out of place and I wondered why they ended their season where they did. Before knowing about the light novels I was expecting the series to conclude in season 2 and was very surprised when season 2 didn't even really have much closure. Now I know better: that was the perfect time to introduce Shiage even if they could have done it better.

In seasons 3 and 4 you will see a lot more of Accelerator and Shiage as main characters if Touma doesn't do it for you guys. Now you have three main characters who many of the people here think is the best level 5 and two other characters for everyone else acting as the main characters with much better arcs than season 1 and season 2. Not to mention, the other level fives like Kakine and Mugino who come in are good too.
However, I really think that the development between Touma and others, especially Misaka, when he fights

is extremely good and this will probably happen right at the beginning of season 3. That was an amazing moment. The rest of the main villains in the first series were excellent as well.

I'm not exactly sure if the second series could be animated by J.C. staff. It is much darker than the first one and has a lot more references to things that J.C. staff wouldn't be that comfortable with. I guess J.C. staff can always just do to what the did to Index and Railgun (cutify them). I mean in the anime we see normal characters having fun classes and going to high school, not characters who are described as (not in the plot, but behind the scenes) as being put under hypnosis, having to take drugs and injections, and having electrodes implanted in their heads to get their esper powers.

I think that Touma becomes more compelling in TN, Crowley becomes more interesting throughout the series starting from seasons 3, 4 and especially in the TN, and Accelerator and Shiage hit their stride as well as the other main characters in the TN. This is reason enough that people shouldn't judge this stuff so badly. I mean, you can only do so much with what we have had so far.

Plus Kazuma Kamachi explained it in an interview. He wanted two different approaches to viewing this world. One was an approach where the main character is super powerful with an excellent personality (with exceptions) and can deal with her problems mainly by herself, and sometimes with her friends, and has fame/popularity/enemies as a result and would be more slice of life and not as dark (I guess Railgun S will change that somewhat, from looking at Sister's Arc and Daisaishei arcs in the manga).

The other approach was an approach where the main character is weak, undervalued, unlucky, far from perfect, and goes against the evil magicians and academy city by working with other people and working in collaboration with other people. It changes from being Touma works alone like we see at the beginning to Touma teaming up with other people. This makes the series become fundamentally different.

And considering the fact that I actually like what you guys are calling "Shounen" in the Index anime and Shounen in general as well as "Slice of Life" which is what others say Railgun is, I think you should give it a chance. Both series are complimenting the same world. If you want to see my way more in-depth explanation on this just find it in on an earlier page in this blog... shouldn't be too hard.

Apr 13, 2013 11:32 PM

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How many episodes? And is Misaka fighting ITEM anime only?

+20 to the anime

In the manga,

24 episodes have been announced! Yay.

Apr 14, 2013 12:58 AM

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Good to see Misaki finally animated and she turned out wonderful just like I expected.

The OP is too good. The fight between Misaka and Mugino was epic and I can't wait to see the full fight animated.

I love Railgun but still hoping a season 3 of Index soon

Apr 14, 2013 4:18 AM

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I just noticed this: but I actually like Touma's two lines at the very end of the episode. Touma being there wasn't the only important thing; he said the same thing that was a big deal in the last season: there is never a dull moment in this city. That's a Railgun thing for sure now. I don't think Touma would normally say something like that (it's out of character).

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dniv said:
Like I have ranted earlier on this chat... (I will make this one shorter)[... ...]

Uh, your point? I don't see how your reply is relevant to your post.

I'm aware of the world-building that takes place in the series. That doesn't have anything to do with what I think are flaws of the series in general. In fact, it's precisely because I have read the novels and manga that I'm willing to make the above posts. Exposition in terms of infodump to tell us about how the world works (eg, the magic or science etc) aren't an issue and I never complained about that.

Apr 14, 2013 6:25 AM

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dniv said:
I just noticed this: but I actually like Touma's two lines at the very end of the episode. Touma being there wasn't the only important thing; he said the same thing that was a big deal in the last season: there is never a dull moment in this city. That's a Railgun thing for sure now. I don't think Touma would normally say something like that (it's out of character).

Agreed.

Apr 14, 2013 7:04 AM

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ah my railgun never disappoint me !!!!

Apr 14, 2013 7:16 AM

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What a great first episode!

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Apr 14, 2013 7:21 AM

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Wow excellent first episode! Love the energetic vibe waa
and the OP1! sounds better than ever.

Apr 14, 2013 9:08 AM

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Miisaakiii~~
glad to see her and Saten.

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Apr 14, 2013 10:21 AM

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10/10 Misaca is back!))))

Apr 14, 2013 10:37 AM

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Misaka is as awesome as ever!~ <3

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mental out is as annoying as ever i see.....

also im still wondering why people even try to assault students in this city i mean a large percent of the students are the city is part of the esper project why even try?

any way's
hope they make meltdowner as ruthless as she was in the light novel :D

and touma will show up more especially around the end of this season (if this is the only arc they are doing this season that is).

off-topic abit still waiting for that movie dvd release. and index season 3

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hazerddex said:
mental out is as annoying as ever i see.....

also im still wondering why people even try to assault students in this city i mean a large percent of the students are the city is part of the esper project why even try?

I find her better than Misaka.

You seem to have read the novels so why ask?
Some are low level espers that arent exactly nice or they are Skill Out that hate everyone with powers.With Saten I guess it is just some punks and not Skill Out.

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ssjokg said:

hazerddex said:
mental out is as annoying as ever i see.....

also im still wondering why people even try to assault students in this city i mean a large percent of the students are the city is part of the esper project why even try?

I find her better than Misaka.

You seem to have read the novels so why ask?
Some are low level espers that arent exactly nice or they are Skill Out that hate everyone with powers.With Saten I guess it is just some punks and not Skill Out.

guess i should have been more clear with my context was talking about your average punks not a organized activist group with some access to anti-esper equipment that skill out was.

as for mental out i hate people with mind control powers who use it to get innocent civilians to be there shield for them

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Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice
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hazerddex said:

ssjokg said:

hazerddex said:
mental out is as annoying as ever i see.....

also im still wondering why people even try to assault students in this city i mean a large percent of the students are the city is part of the esper project why even try?

I find her better than Misaka.

You seem to have read the novels so why ask?
Some are low level espers that arent exactly nice or they are Skill Out that hate everyone with powers.With Saten I guess it is just some punks and not Skill Out.

guess i should have been more clear with my context was talking about your average punks not a organized activist group with some access to anti-esper equipment that skill out was.

They were either lvl1-2 punks that were just harassing Saten or Skill Out doing the same thing cause I dont see how they would target a random nobody in board daylight.It's not like every Skill Out is going around 24/7 looking for high lvl espers.
There are also those that hate strong espers but havent joined Skill Out.

Apr 14, 2013 12:28 PM

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WELCOME BACK MISAKA SAMA! I MISSED YOU!!!

Good to see Erii and Banri didnt fade into obscurity. Pumped for this queen arc! Cant wait for Accelerator to make a little appearance :D

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ssjokg said:

hazerddex said:
mental out is as annoying as ever i see.....

also im still wondering why people even try to assault students in this city i mean a large percent of the students are the city is part of the esper project why even try?

I find her better than Misaka.

You seem to have read the novels so why ask?
Some are low level espers that arent exactly nice or they are Skill Out that hate everyone with powers.With Saten I guess it is just some punks and not Skill Out.

I think that most of the 80% of students are actually skillout. I think almost everyone is actually skillout, something like 60%. This is explained in the first season of railgun, index, or the LNs somewhere. Maybe it was also explained in the last episode of season 2 Index ?

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hazerddex said:

ssjokg said:

hazerddex said:
mental out is as annoying as ever i see.....

also im still wondering why people even try to assault students in this city i mean a large percent of the students are the city is part of the esper project why even try?

I find her better than Misaka.

You seem to have read the novels so why ask?
Some are low level espers that arent exactly nice or they are Skill Out that hate everyone with powers.With Saten I guess it is just some punks and not Skill Out.

guess i should have been more clear with my context was talking about your average punks not a organized activist group with some access to anti-esper equipment that skill out was.

as for mental out i hate people with mind control powers who use it to get innocent civilians to be there shield for them

By the way, if you hate Mental Out now, just wait until the second arc. Then you'll want to rip her to shreds :)

She's even meaner than she was in the first episode or at least without any sense of tact.

Apr 14, 2013 1:20 PM

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No one mentioned this, but I liked the scene with Edasaki struggling to walk and Misaka spacing out. That was an extremely subtle reference to the darkness of this season.

Apr 14, 2013 1:45 PM

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The OP is definitely catchy. The first episode lives up to the expectations.

Apr 14, 2013 4:31 PM

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Finally...
Yes!! Misaki shows her appearance :DDD
Why? Everytime that Misaka is in a troublesome situation, I always expect Touma to come out of nowhere and save the day...Why? Anyways, excited to see him @ the end
Can't wait for the next arc, it's gonna be epic :)

Apr 14, 2013 6:40 PM

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After watching the first episode I can say it's like old Railgun.

And that's just how I want it! :D This is gonna be super good, the cast in this anime is too stronk :P

Apr 14, 2013 7:12 PM

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Why? Everytime that Misaka is in a troublesome situation, I always expect Touma to come out of nowhere and save the day...Why?

Lol, more likely Misaka to show up to save Touma…

Apr 14, 2013 8:34 PM

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YEA RAILGUN!

Was it ever mentioned that there was more level 5 espers at the school, I though BiriBiri was the only one. What is the extent of this other level 5 powers, can she control accelerator since he doesn't produce an emp. Are the other level 5 at the school and Accelerator is the exception that is not girl in middle school?

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YEA RAILGUN!

Was it ever mentioned that there was more level 5 espers at the school, I though BiriBiri was the only one. What is the extent of this other level 5 powers, can she control accelerator since he doesn't produce an emp. Are the other level 5 at the school and Accelerator is the exception that is not girl in middle school?

It was actually mentioned in the main series at a couple of points. I know in the first volume of the Index novels, Touma mentions a Level 5 at Tokiwadai who can manipulate the brain (this is Misaki).

There are only two level 5s in Tokiwadai. Kakine Teitoku (#2) is a male around Touma's age. Mugino Shizuri (#4), who will make an appearance this season, is a girl in high school. The #6 is still unknown. Sogiita Gunha (#7) is also a male in high school.

Also, Accelerator can reflect ANY vector. EMPs are vector quantities or derived from vector quantities. As such, Misaki CANNOT use her power on Accelerator.

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Apr 14, 2013 8:50 PM

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Lvl 5's are OP. Nerf pls

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Lvl 5's are OP. Nerf pls

Wait till you meet Fiamma of the Right, Aiwass, or Othinus in Index. Overpowered does not even begin to describe them.

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I just don't get why saten san is obsessed with Uiharu's underwear.

I'm not sure anyone could explain that to me.

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Lvl 5's are OP. Nerf pls

They was nerfed one by one in LN.

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I just don't get why saten san is obsessed with Uiharu's underwear.

I'm not sure anyone could explain that to me.

I would think that it is because:
a) It's a fun and endearing character trait
b) Teasing others is enjoyable.

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Apr 15, 2013 1:29 AM

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Hyack said:
Lvl 5's are OP. Nerf pls

Wait till you meet Fiamma of the Right, Aiwass, or Othinus in Index. Overpowered does not even begin to describe them.

Yeah

Also,

Not to mention that Aiwass can

civilization said:
YEA RAILGUN!

Was it ever mentioned that there was more level 5 espers at the school, I thought BiriBiri was the only one?

Also, Misaki was referred to in the Railgun season 1 OVA by Shirai: "There isn't only 1 level 5 at Tokiwadai, we actually have two of them" (not an exact quote but you get the picture). She does say there are only two.

@CreationBreaker

The #6 is a guy (we know this much from the railgun manga and from Toaru Kagaku no Railgun SS LN (I think that's the name).

Does this mean Accelerator can control Misaki if she tries to brainwash him? That doesn't really make sense because can't he only instantaneously reflect a power and not use it for a sustained amount of time? It would take a sustained amount of time and thought to change her memories correctly without any practice because she has a different brain from Accelerator. She probably can't do it to Mugino for the same reason as Misaka though. What about Touma? Can she do it to Touma? His brain is distinct from his hand.

Also, Almighty Thor is pretty strong too. Finally, Touma

will probably eventually be the strongest character, but this is mere speculation. Aleister Crowley is also about as strong as those others as well (he isn't exactly weak either). What about Laura Stuart too

? Lol, there are way too many strong characters.

Since Misaki is coming back in the second series of LN's in the next LN, this makes me believe that Misaki's backstory here might/will be important or at least interesting to see another side of her as compared to her in the LN.

Also, this time it's definitely more likely Touma saves Misaka. If anything else happens, Kamachi's beautiful world of Index just got destroyed. Misaka KO-ing Accelerator (that would be... weird).

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Hyack said:
Lvl 5's are OP. Nerf pls

Wait till you meet Fiamma of the Right, Aiwass, or Othinus in Index. Overpowered does not even begin to describe them.

you forgot Ollerus and Aqua.

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couldn't make it further in then 10 mins. it's a shame. i really like misaka and kuroko. and the saten chick and the ojou-sama aren't bad either. i even found the new lvl 5 interesting. but they keep repeating the same scenes over and over, this show just completely lacks development of any kind.

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YAY MISAKA <3 Oh how I've missed my favorite female character of all time. She's as cute and badass as always. This episode was nice for the intro of the second season. And the introduction of new characters is always fun. Can't wait to see Accelerator and Touma again. @_@

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couldn't make it further in then 10 mins. it's a shame. i really like misaka and kuroko. and the saten chick and the ojou-sama aren't bad either. i even found the new lvl 5 interesting. but they keep repeating the same scenes over and over, this show just completely lacks development of any kind.

Dude, it's just the first episode.

In fact, if you actually watch more than you know, 10 mins, you'd realize that there are actually plot points going on right in the first ep itself. Just because they aren't being obvious doesn't mean it's not there.

This season (assuming faithful adaptation on the studio's part) is actually all about the development of Misaka as a character.

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Nilvius said:

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couldn't make it further in then 10 mins. it's a shame. i really like misaka and kuroko. and the saten chick and the ojou-sama aren't bad either. i even found the new lvl 5 interesting. but they keep repeating the same scenes over and over, this show just completely lacks development of any kind.

Dude, it's just the first episode.

In fact, if you actually watch more than you know, 10 mins, you'd realize that there are actually plot points going on right in the first ep itself. Just because they aren't being obvious doesn't mean it's not there.

This season (assuming faithful adaptation on the studio's part) is actually all about the development of Misaka as a character.

Yeah, Nilvius that was a good thing to say; I agree.

@ninearts

You know... if you would have watched more than 10 minutes and maybe gotten to 14 minutes you would have seen a few amazing scenes like

You do realize that the last part of the first episode was actually excellent to the extreme. This entire season is about how Misaka becomes depressed and loses her lack of faith in everything and beings to join the darkness of academy city. When you watch a new show at least do the following:
1. If the beginning shows some interesting characters like maybe a level 5 and some recurring characters that are also good maybe at least finish watching the episode.
2. Watch the episode because at the end there is the opening which gives you an idea of what at least half of the season will look like. You should look at it. It's only a minute and a half and you would probably think it looks amazing if you took the time to look...
3. Realize that the first episode of another season is many times an introductory episode if a new arc is starting and there was no cliffhanger from the previous season. This episode was showing how the characters had become better friends over a long period of time and had bonded with Harue and Banri... Context is necessary in a good show... The friendliness now is a direct contrast to when Misaka will be sad.

Try to do these things and please just finish watching the episode and then say this. I have people who don't even like slice of life, who just like battle scenes and people who don't really like battle scenes that much but like slice of life, and people who like neither and people who like both who still loved this episode and didn't even need to have seen the first season to conclude this.

Please watch the entire episode before you review what it's like. I mean... I bet you there are probably some great anime's that sometimes start slowly and later become amazing. For example, even though Clannad was great from the beginning, it ended at a much higher level (I mean After Story ending). Give the show a chance. I mean the main plot hasn't even started.

This season has #5 level 5, #3 level 5, #4 level 5 (who is super-powerful), #1 level 5 and a host of other characters (these were already revealed in the first episode to be in it). There is a lot more to come... Just try to finish watching it. I don't want to see you, who thought the first season was at least interesting, just miss a good anime. Just try it!

Ok. Sigh.

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i'll give it another look then. if i seemed harsh its because i dropped the last season for the exact same reasons halfway through it. so i was under the assumption the same problems were still in effect.

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i'll give it another look then. if i seemed harsh its because i dropped the last season for the exact same reasons halfway through it. so i was under the assumption the same problems were still in effect.

Oh ok, well it's good that you at least finish the first episode. I promise that starting from the second episode and definitely in episode 3, the plot will get real and emotional. You can see the episode names on Wikipedia which is why I know this. Also, the opening demonstrated this as well. You can see Misaka looking depressed in two scenes and the scene of her as a little kid doing... (it's a secret).

I'm glad. Just give it a chance.

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i'll give it another look then. if i seemed harsh its because i dropped the last season for the exact same reasons halfway through it. so i was under the assumption the same problems were still in effect.

Oh yeah. One more thing. The last few episodes of the first season were actually wonderful. Maybe you should see those too. The villain was extremely good and you see Misaka Mikoto at her most powerful. If you don't care about the plot being ruined then just watch episode 24 of the first season because it looks amazing no matter really how much you know because if you've watched about half of it already you should have more than enough background knowledge to at least understand most of what is going on... you won't get the plot though. Episode 24 has a few extremely good battle scenes scattered throughout it and amazing dialogue. Episode 23 had a really good battle scene and important character development. Episode 22 had some really important character development. Episodes 21 and beforehand are good, but if you just started watching from 22 you can see how amazing it really gets. I actually recommend you try doing that. These episodes were emotional and nice and much more powerful than anything from the first half of that season. Also, I am excited for the rest of the second season because I am pretty sure that even the beginning of the second season will already actually be darker than the entire first season as a whole (which is saying something because of its ending). So try watching both those things if you can, and if you have time of course.

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dniv said:
Episodes 21 and beforehand are good, but if you just started watching from 22 you can see how amazing it really gets. I actually recommend you try doing that. These episodes were emotional and nice and much more powerful than anything from the first half of that season.

It was a good series, but it was really 22 to 24 that made it a 9 for me. Could have been a 10 if it was better earlier on. So consider this a +1 on dniv's recommendation.

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dniv said:

The #6 is a guy (we know this much from the railgun manga and from Toaru Kagaku no Railgun SS LN (I think that's the name).

Actually, from what I understand, the pronoun used to describe the #6 in the original before the translations was gender neutral. As such, we still don't even know what gender this person is. (Although there are people hypothesizing that Aogami Pierce is the #6)

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CreationBreaker said:

Hyack said:
Lvl 5's are OP. Nerf pls

Wait till you meet Fiamma of the Right, Aiwass, or Othinus in Index. Overpowered does not even begin to describe them.

you forgot Ollerus and Aqua.

Ollerus, maybe...
But I was referring more to characters in Fiamma's Tier of power.
Plus, Accelerator could defeat Acqua.

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CreationBreaker said:

Hyack said:
Lvl 5's are OP. Nerf pls

Wait till you meet Fiamma of the Right, Aiwass, or Othinus in Index. Overpowered does not even begin to describe them.

Yeah when Othinus gets 100% (if she does) that would be *slightly* troublesome.
Also,

Not to mention that Aiwass can

Also, Almighty Thor is pretty strong too. Finally, Touma once he has unlocked all of his powers will probably be the strongest character, but this is mere speculation. Aleister Crowley is also about as strong as those others as well (he isn't exactly weak either). What about Laura Stuart too who is the strongest in Necessarius? Lol, there are way too many strong characters.

Yes, Othinus gaining perpetual 100% probability of success would be a *slight* problem. (...and the greatest understatement of the year award goes to....)

Well, I was just giving a couple examples of characters who are far more OP than the Level 5s. I'm not exactly trying to start some long list or a strength comparison debate.

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CreationBreaker said:

dniv said:

The #6 is a guy (we know this much from the railgun manga and from Toaru Kagaku no Railgun SS LN (I think that's the name).

Actually, from what I understand, the pronoun used to describe the #6 in the original before the translations was gender neutral. As such, we still don't even know what gender this person is. (Although there are people hypothesizing that Aogami Pierce is the #6)

ssjokg said:

CreationBreaker said:

Hyack said:
Lvl 5's are OP. Nerf pls

Wait till you meet Fiamma of the Right, Aiwass, or Othinus in Index. Overpowered does not even begin to describe them.

you forgot Ollerus and Aqua.

Ollerus, maybe...
But I was referring more to characters in Fiamma's Tier of power.
Plus, Accelerator could defeat Acqua.

dniv said:

CreationBreaker said:

Hyack said:
Lvl 5's are OP. Nerf pls

Wait till you meet Fiamma of the Right, Aiwass, or Othinus in Index. Overpowered does not even begin to describe them.

Yeah

Also,

Not to mention that Aiwass can

Also, Almighty Thor is pretty strong too.
Finally, Touma

will probably eventually be the strongest character, but this is mere speculation. Aleister Crowley
is also about as strong as those others as well (he isn't exactly weak either). What about Laura Stuart too

Lol, there are way too many strong characters.

Yes, Othinus gaining perpetual 100% probability of success would be a *slight* problem. (...and the greatest understatement of the year award goes to....)

Well, I was just giving a couple examples of characters who are far more OP than the Level 5s. I'm not exactly trying to start some long list or a strength comparison debate.

I get you. But when you said that the #6 is gender neutral. Was that referring to the reference in the SS or to the reference in the railgun manga or to both? Because the Index wiki says the #6 has actually been declared to be male which is why I thought that.

And lol... your point was that there are a lot of other cool characters. Agreed. There are a lot of characters who can beat level 5's. I definitely skipped over some too. :)

dnivApr 15, 2013 10:48 AM

Apr 15, 2013 8:36 AM

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Pretty good first episode, I'm glad that it wasn't a (re-)introduction of the characters but just action.
That new Queen girl deserves to die already, what a bitch.
Hopefully Touma will appear a lot, he's just badass.

I almost never read discussions after I made my post, if you want to reply PM me or post on my profile page.

Apr 15, 2013 8:42 AM

#349

Read this if you want to start the Fate/ series but don't know from where.

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Apr 15, 2013 8:57 AM

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